Miscellaneous: Shaman TrueSpirit Faction quest mobs use class modifier

[Rygar]

Here's the short version:
I believe that all NPCs involved in the shaman epic should have a -100 faction mod for classes that are not Shaman. But don't worry, a 'Child's Tear' can still be MQ'd by other classes, but it will require bard/enc faction song/spells or an Alliance clicky neck.

Here's the long version:
I found this post, which is very far out of era, but it got me poking around on this:
http://www.shamanscrucible.com/forum....php?f=8&t=695

Sep 12, 2005
As background, I box up to 6 characters and took a shaman friend to Fear for his Tear. We got lucky and found Terror up and after clearing to him and taking him down, my freind killed the Iksar Broodling and a second before he could loot we got trained (that's a story for another day). I hit escape on my rogue which saved him but the rest went down because I was unprepared (one of the problem with boxing, if 1 person is unprepared that means up to 6 characters are out of action). So with seconds left on the Broodling corpse and the shaman still a few minutes away I looted the Tear with rogue knowing if could not be MQ'ed because of the faction for non-Shaman maxing 100 point lower than needed.

We then went back and did some extensive reseach, finding that Berserkers can MQ becasue their faction does not work the same and that Enchanters can MQ becasue of their faction altering spells. That gave us the idea to look for faction altering methods that a rogue could use and led us to the Ornate Velium Pendant which drops in Icewell Keep. It has 4 charges of Alliance which increase faction by 100 point (the magic number I had read about). BUT would this allow maxed faction to be increased? Since it (by rumor only since I'd never met anyone who had done it) worked for enchanters we thought why not.

I did the Shaman Epic pre-quest (the first step 15 times to get to indifferent using hide to do the gem turn in) and then up thru the Test of Patience. I then looped Woe/Envy/Marr mixing in Black Dire until faction was maxed.

We went to CoM, cleared the Black Reavers for get a Lord Rak spawn and then prepared for the experiment. Without using the Pendant I tried the turn in and it was given back to me (I like controls when testing something new so I wanted to confirm that max faction truely is inadaquate). I then cast Alliance from the Pendant and tried the turn in again. The Tear was accepted we killed Lord Rak and my freind looked his Scale. He is not the proud owner of his epic and I had a great time trying something new and out of the ordinary.

So to summarize: was common knowledge you needed to be a Shaman or a class capable of raising factions. Looted the tear on a rogue, who then did the entire shaman epic to max faction, did a control test of handing in the tear (at that point in timeline did not eat it, just handed back), clicked Alliance neck, then Tear was successfully received.

Found some other support for this:
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=23150

Sep 09 2003
Can be MQ'd. An epic'd shaman can do the handin' to Lord Rak (kill black reavers to get em to pop) in CoM. Have the noob (non epic'd) shaman loot rak's scale and do handin. Check faction before handin is done, should be ally.

Dec 16 2004
Only Shamy w/ max ally faction can MQ the epic turnin.

Jan 13 2007
For those wondering, only Shamans can MQ this. Sucks..I was trying to MQ it with my 75 sk for my 54 shaman and it wouldn't take it. I have maxed out ally on Sk so yea u have 2 be a shaman to do it..bummer.

Note that an SK also uses TrueSpirit faction in their epic, which lends support to there being a class based modifier.

Jan 15 2007
KK you can MQ this...I figured **** it and tried it again with SK... just i used the velium ornate necklace to gain faction even though i had max... it did the trick

Mar 21 2007
Turn in done on BB server by Wood elf ranger with max ally faction.
Did 2nd MQ for another shaman with Dwarf Cleric, Max Ally faction.
I am guessing if you can get the faction done that any class can do the turn in.

This is some potential counter evidence, but I didn't want to leave it out and be accused of cherry picking. By this time it was more common knowledge that the Alliance neck was needed, so it could have been used by this individual.

Jun 23 2007
Did the Child's Tear MQ with my wood elf ranger (w/ max ally faction), also... Used the same sneak method as Shadowsedge in BB toget the factioning started.

Same as above, potential counter evidence, again the date put its to more common knowledge at this point.
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=5627

May 04 2003
NOBODY except a shaman should kill this guy and take the tear. NEVER. it is worthless to all other classes and can only be MQ'd by a shaman, no other classes. if you have no shaman on the raid, first thing is why the **** dont you have a shaman on a fear raid, and second just dont kill the broodling. You will end up destroying the tear. Leave the broodling up, and you will make some shaman very happy by making his tear step very easy.

Aug 25 2005
All classes other than Shaman have a slight negative faction modifier with the NPCs involved in this quest, which means that even if you hit "Max Ally", it is not sufficient to complete the Quest - Lord Rak'Ashiir will not respond correctly so will not have the scale.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/i...8&p=2#comments

Nov 04 2002
Ally faction is enough. Max ally is not needed. Just turned in the scale after having the Tear turned in by another shaman in my guild. He told me he was not max ally and i know i wasn't since I hadn't done the whole thing. Just did the Woe, Envy and Marr's Promise a few times to get to ally, but the faction was still going up. Turned in the Scale and got my spear. Happy Shaman.

Coragar 60 Shaman

Jun 24 2003
We picked into the castle, mq'ing shaman (NOT max ally) handed in tear, boom story rolls and we drop him. You know how it all goes from there- and I am 49, so this definately is attainable and questable by those under 50 ; I started it at 35 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]. Good luck to all you fellow Shaman out there on getting yours !! (I cant wait to make 50 to use the DoT)

I found this tidbit interesting, max ally is definitely established to be needed at this point, but the user was ally and a shaman, so perhaps shaman just needed to be +1 point above what everyone else is? Or some other range, take it for what it's worth.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=4514

Dec 30 2003
I just (5 minutes ago) attempted to hand in the Child's Tear, with max ally Truespirit faction, and Lord Rak said "I will do nothing to aid beings like you". The end. =(

Aug 03 2005
WRONG! I've done two tear turn-ins with my Barb Warrior so far. Took me forever to get her faction to max ally to do it. But she CAN do it.

If you HAVE to pick up the tear with another class other then Shammy I suggest you do it with an Enchanter since they have faction spells that would help raise faction a little easier then I had it.

Oh, and you have to have MAX ally in order to do tear turn-in to Rak. My warr has ally up as high as she can get for not being a shammy. (Here is the gold nugget...) I then had to use a Ornate Velium Pendent to bump up her faction enough for turn-in.

Hope this helps someone who is thinking about destroying a tear.

Oct 30 2005
Ok well after reading posts about the Child's Tear being MQable as long as you have MAX ally faction with true spirit I decided to MQ this for my shaman alt.

After tons of turn ins from the dire pelt I got my true spirit faction maxed out, and was ready to do the turn in to Lord Rak Ashirr. Then when i turned in my tear to him he said that he has no need for this and gave it back.

SO NO THIS IS NOT MQABLE BY ANY CLASS OTHER THEN SHAMAN so dont waste your time like I did

This guy didn't realize he needed the amulet to do successful MQ.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/n...4&p=2#comments

Dec 29 2002 at 10:15 AM

IMPORTANT NOTE : Verant pacthed the shaman Epic in Oct.2002, making that the Tear isn't MD'able anymore. To do so, Verant added those checks on Lord Rak (confirmed to me by several GM, i also saw myself some failed attempts to MQ the Tear since October so those infos are CERTIFIED) :

1) Only a shaman (and no other classes, like SK before)
2) having enough true spirit faction (at least the same amount as someone who did ALL the previous parts of shaman epic)
3) NOT having already a Spear of Fate
4) Handing in the Tear (no drop)

Only a shaman matching those conditions can make Lord Rak turns into his epic version, which is the one dropping the Iksar Scale needed to complete the Shaman Epic. This means the Tear isn't MQ'able anymore so i warn you all to avoid a big sadness if you try and just loose the Tear.

May 01 2003
1) 2) and 4) have always been true.

3) is false. Handing in a child's tear works fine, whether or not you already have a Spear of Fate. The quest NPC does not look in your inventory.

What DID change in Oct/Nov 2002 was a faction hit during the final epic turn-in that lowers your Truespirit faction all the way back down to indifferent. To turn in another child's tear, you would simply need to work your faction back up to max. I've done this successfully myself.

So first poster implies this 'only Shaman can MQ' was new in 2002, but next poster corrects them that it has always been true. I find it interesting the faction hit lowering TrueSpirit down to indifferent upon completing the quest wasn't until late 2002, isn't this implemented on P99?

Jan 29 2003
Ok to responed,
I have done Rak 26 times in over a year. Both as a Shaman and as a ranger MQing the tear. These are the things I know as fact

Another potential piece of counter evidence with the ranger, but perhaps they realized they needed the medallion or certain classes were missed with the class modifier.

Conclusion:
I believe the -100 class modifier should be in place on the relevant quest NPCs. It makes sense in terms of other classes not starting out on the same faction and would have been an easy control to put in place.

Could it be possible this was added later and not originally? Of course, but I have not found any evidence of an MQ one way or another during classic times. I don't think the weapon was discovered until sometime late 2000 or early 2001, so should have been plenty of tears laying around. If someone can find some decent evidence of that it will definitely change my mind.

[Jan Jensen]

The epic was first completed by Bakk in early October, 2000. Also, I never heard of class-based faction modifiers back then; Allahzakzam is and was simply a cesspool of conflicting information posted by noobs with the real information residing on class sites now since abandoned.

[Rygar]

Originally Posted by Jan Jensen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The epic was first completed by Bakk in early October, 2000. Also, I never heard of class-based faction modifiers back then; Allahzakzam is and was simply a cesspool of conflicting information posted by noobs with the real information residing on class sites now since abandoned.

The very first link was from a class website (shamans crucible) and seems extremely reliable, validating much of the alla comments.

I understand there can be blow hards anywhere who run their mouth off with bad info, but this seems to be a consistent pattern with the quest (in regards to non shaman needing alliance neck to complete).

[Aalderon Crystafire]

This is already known and will be resolved when the faction revamps are done. Not only will Shaman begin at 0 and non-Shaman at -100 but the turn-in will still require 2000 faction, meaning the quest cannot be MQ'd by non-Shaman without Cinda's or Alliance. We could start all non-Shamen at -100 right now but they could just gain 2100 faction as it stands right now. Won't have it functioning as intended until the revamps.

[Brocode]

Kinda weird all info is post P99 era, meaning either way wouldnt affect us.

[Rygar]

You realize that most all of the faction hits on p99 are taken from present day live? In absence of evidence you need to go with the best info you have.

Would welcome more in era evidence of tear MQs to make a better determination.