Rogues, don't spend dkp on Sky belt

[bktroost]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...25#post2350625


Apparently it is not doing anything more than an RBG for backstab refresh rates (yes you stil get 1% more worn haste from sky belt over epic). Gogo sta+hp.


Can someone give me more insight? I posted in bug forum, but i'm really wondering if i'm just missing something very simple.

Edit: Unless of course you have a primal+ tunare dagger/vulak dagger+eashan weapon.

[bktroost]

Oh, i just had a thought! Does anyone know if these haste items effect the cooldown of kick, bash, slam, etc?

If so then i wonder if the haste discrepancy is functioning properly for those.


Anyone got any data?

[xKoopa]

I would assume bash/kick are also affected in the same way

I could maybe log on monk later and kick things with/without my rbb on but im no scientist so itd be guess work

[bktroost]

Originally Posted by xKoopa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would assume bash/kick are also affected in the same way

I could maybe log on monk later and kick things with/without my rbb on but im no scientist so itd be guess work

From the data i took last night it seems to me that there has to be a window of refresh for these cooldowns rather than a set timer that is effected. I got an average that was lower with haste items but the average was the same regardless of haste, however, I had an anomaly of an 8 second backstab with no epic, no haste (average was 10s) and as low as a 7 second on sky belt (average 8 seconds).

I'd be willing to say that backstab with sky belt is a set 7.x seconds but i was not able to finger the key fast enough to show that consistently (i refused to use autofire), but that doesn't hold true for the no epic, no haste being a whopping 2 seconds late on average of a set 8 seconds.

So i really think that there's more at play here.

[Jimjam]

Did you have the same spell haste in each trial?

Perhaps there is a minimum delay for these melee abilities (which is easily reachable even with marginal amounts of haste). Are there any melee abilities with a greater delay than standard? that would be one way to test; such an ability would require more haste to reach the minimum delay..

[bktroost]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did you have the same spell haste in each trial?

Perhaps there is a minimum delay for these melee abilities (which is easily reachable even with marginal amounts of haste). Are there any melee abilities with a greater delay than standard? that would be one way to test; such an ability would require more haste to reach the minimum delay..

no haste other than the isolated hastes described in the study.

Those hastes include, ragebringer haste (worn 40% epic), RBG (worn 27%) and Sky belt (worn 41%).

[Cecily]

I like you, but this is bad advice and I need to burn it down. Calling shenanigans on this whole test and Nemce's conclusion.
Also this should be posted in melee (don't bother now), not general chat or bugs.

[bktroost]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like you, but this is bad advice and I need to burn it down. Calling shenanigans on this whole test and Nemce's conclusion.
Also this should be posted in melee (don't bother now), not general chat or bugs.

Nemce agrees, after some coffee and looking at data again, that his conclusion is false.

While the mode and median would indicate an average that is equivalent, the mean shows a .4 speed increase from a sky belt with a data set of 5 attempts.

The RBG 27% haste reduced the mode and median backstabs from epic/no haste from 10 to 8 seconds. That means each point of worn haste is 0.074 seconds. a 41% worn haste should provide 3.034 seconds off the refresh.

The puzzling thing is the 8 second no haste, no epic backstab which, if triple repeatable in same conditions, would indicate a window of refresh rather than a base refresh.

Need more data and we need to be using autofire.


But this is the result of interpolating to a conclusion rather than extrapolating from the data. I am guilty.

[Cecily]

Yeah the 8 second one is bothering me too. I'm going with manasana is secretly a bard hiding in wolves skin.

[Freakish]

Base backstab time = 10 seconds. 100% haste will lower this to 5 seconds.
100 = 5.0 seconds
41 = 2.05 seconds
27 = 1.385 seconds
41% haste is 0.665 faster on the cool down which is difficult to display when EQ logs come out in 1.0 sec delay relays.

If you want the raw numbers with each haste item equipped, backstab will refresh in:

41%: 7.95 seconds
27%: 8.615 seconds
0%: 10.0 seconds