a few unofficial rules for ip exemption

[rioisk]

I thought I would start a thread after what I experienced today so that anybody playing with an IP exemption could know the unofficial rules governing GM decision-making on this server so that nobody unwitting falls into the same situation as we did today. I realize this will be met with ridicule but nonetheless I think it's important for people to know the scoop so the tragedy doesn't happen to any other groups of people.

Official Rules regarding boxing:

Multi-boxing is not allowed. Players are only allowed to play one client per RL person. We will be enforcing this rule and we ask for everyone’s co-operation to just abide by our wishes. Breaking this rule will result in a ban.

My experience

My bro and I have an IP exemption. He doesn't have much time to level up so I say to him "Hey, I'll level you up" so he logs in and goes afk grouped with me while I kill shit in at the docks in butcherblock. While doing so I get ported out into the ocean, was weird, but chugged it up to a bug. Ten minutes later I am disconnected, try to log back in only to find myself banned. I petition, Uthgaard had this to say:

Originally Posted by Uthgaard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The song is "Same old song and dance". Because that's what this is. I've seen these setups around before. You knew you were operating something shady, and thought that you were riding some sort of gray area.

Don't make the mistake of assuming that because you could park it out of view, that you're somehow entitled to a greater advantage than if you were running both around actively 2boxing the account. You know you were 2boxing, and coming here telling the same old story we've all heard before, is really just insulting to our intelligence.

Everyone else can already see the thread. If one of them feels like responding to you, they can.

Here are the facts:
1) The rules as stated is 1 person per client. This rule was satisfied as I was only playing my character. Nobody was playing his. He logged in, left to go do other shit.

2) We were banned without any tells indicating suspicion. Had he ported us to some zone and asked us to perform crazy synchronized actions then we'd pass with flying colors.

Conclusion
So I thought I'd start a thread to let others know that if you have an IP exemption that there is an unofficial set of rules. Most specifically is if you have an IP exemption that nobody can go afk, ever. If you do it's immediate indication of guilt and will result in a ban without question.


As a side note, I found this humorous to read after this experience:
http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...t=23121&page=2

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Talk about Nazi..
Gives me a good idea of what their GM behavior will be like.

Arguments presented by replies:

Originally Posted by Dr4z3r [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How was your setup functionally different from 2-boxing?

How is a friend from halfway across the world going afk while you get him experience functionally different from 2-boxing? Answer: You aren't him.

Answer here: I'm not my bro.

Had we been tested this would have been apparent. Instead, a ban was issued without question.

Perhaps I should present a broader scenario here. Two people aren't on the same connection in a similar configuration - a guy could just as easily rig a computer at work or a friends house and set the character afk. Would he be instantly banned for boxing? No, he doesn't even have an IP exemption. He's just some dude and "another dude afk". So is going afk while another person gets you experience against the rules? For this to be consistent it must be.

Originally Posted by Fromage [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How long was your brother AFK for?

Does it matter? One person, one client. That being said, he was doing other shit on his computer/watching tv/taking a shower/etc.

Originally Posted by Kassel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In the senario you have discribed, you where 2 boxing. One person was playing for the benefit of 2 chars using one IP. This is forbidden.

A higher duty of care exisits for those who have been granted an exemption.

So in your analysis illegal boxing is defined as "one person playing for the benefit of 2 chars using one IP".

So it's not illegal if it's different IPs? That doesn't prevent people from just running a char afk on their neighbors computer since that would be different IPs.

No matter what scenario you present there are ways around it. Even the one-client IP rule is able to be circumvented if you know how it works. That being said, we followed the rules, one client per person. Had this been investigated more thoroughly that would have become obvious.

Originally Posted by Mojorisin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I really feel for you, but what are the GM's to do? To them, it looks like you are 2boxing. I'm sure that every person they confront about the issue will make up a story about how they aren't 2boxing. Also, if I were power-leveling a character on another computer, and a GM makes me operate both characters as a test, couldn't I just just have a random person in the room run the character around? It is a very rare act of kindness for a person to level up another persons character for them while they are afk, on the same ip address. You might just be a really nice brother, but you are a really nice brother who looks like he is 2boxing.

So guilt is assumed based on circumstantial evidence? Not everybody plays this game out solely to better only themselves. Bro can't find group, needed a few levels, why not help him out? The situation would look a lot different if people focused on the whole situation instead of stuff that "appears" incriminating. For example, bible-lovers often misquote Darwin because "some" of his words support their view, while others totally oppose it. If you choose to see the situation as such and ignore all other facts then obvious it will be whatever you want it to be. See http://www.aquaticape.org/darwin.html

[thefloydian]

Originally Posted by rioisk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

tragedy

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[Dr4z3r]

How was your setup functionally different from 2-boxing?

[SlankyLanky]

yea...that there is 2 boxin'

[rioisk]

Originally Posted by Dr4z3r [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How was your setup functionally different from 2-boxing?

How is a friend from halfway across the world going afk while you get him experience functionally different from 2-boxing? Answer: You aren't him.

Answer here: I'm not my bro.

Had we been tested this would have been apparent. Instead, a ban was issued without question.


Perhaps I should present a broader scenario here. Two people aren't on the same connection in a similar configuration - a guy could just as easily rig a computer at work or a friends house and set the character afk. Would he be instantly banned for boxing? No, he doesn't even have an IP exemption. He's just some dude and "another dude afk". So is going afk while another person gets you experience against the rules? For this to be consistent it must be.

[baxle]

Not to land on one side or the other of this because I have no reason to believe this dude's story, but I think that if there is no problem with it from two different houses, there's no problem with it from one. It does sound like you are actually limited in some respects while under an ip exemption, which I suppose is for the better.

[rioisk]

Originally Posted by baxle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not to land on one side or the other of this because I have no reason to believe this dude's story, but I think that if there is no problem with it from two different houses, there's no problem with it from one. It does sound like you are actually limited in some respects while under an ip exemption, which I suppose is for the better.

exactly my point as I indicated above in my scenario. If it's not illegal for two different houses, but is for one, this information should be apart of the rules if you have an ip exemption.

On a further note, I've noticed people here are very quickly to jump to conclusions when it comes to the issue of boxing. Please remember there are many legitimate people here who play together under IP exemptions. With a degree in CS, if I was going to box I could bypass the 1 IP rule. Instead my bro and I followed the proper channels and waited for an exemption. This was many months ago and we have been playing together fine for this time.

When people who follow legitimate channels are treated like criminals before any sort of investigation you know the system has problems.

[Mojorisin]

I really feel for you, but what are the GM's to do? To them, it looks like you are 2boxing. I'm sure that every person they confront about the issue will make up a story about how they aren't 2boxing. Also, if I were power-leveling a character on another computer, and a GM makes me operate both characters as a test, couldn't I just just have a random person in the room run the character around? It is a very rare act of kindness for a person to level up another persons character for them while they are afk, on the same ip address. You might just be a really nice brother, but you are a really nice brother who looks like he is 2boxing.

[DOPE]

What you were doing is 2boxing.. Simple.
Why break the rules if you're not willing to accept the consequences?
& why should the rules be amended? Because you were caught?
Fuckkk offffff!

[Fromage]

How long was your brother AFK for?