How to Trust a moderate Muslim?

[ronasch]

How can they be trusted with verses like this taken from their holy book?

"Let believers not take for friends and allies infidels instead of believers. Whoever does this shall have no relationship left with Allah – unless you but guard yourselves against them, taking precautions. If you [Muslims] are under their [infidels'] authority, fearing for yourselves, behave loyally to them, with your tongue, while harbouring inner animosity for them... Allah has forbidden believers from being friendly or on intimate terms with the infidels in place of believers – except when infidels are above them [in authority]. In such a scenario, let them act friendly towards them." Sura 3:28

"But they (the Jews) were deceptive, and Allah was deceptive, for Allah is the best of deceivers." Sura 3:54

My religion says thou shall not lie. What's yours say?

[maskedmelon]

Is that 3:28 excerpt two alternative interpretations of the verse? It looks to be saying essentially the same thing twice, each of which is roughly congruent with other translations of the passage, but slightly more elaborative than the one in mine.

3:54 is subtly different from the passage I see too. Says "planner" in place of "deceiver." I am by no means an authority though (and don't even speak Arabic), so yours may be a more accurate translation.

On topic, 3:28, regardless of translation illustrates one of the innumerable problems with the foundation of Islam.

[ronasch]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is that 3:28 excerpt two alternative interpretations of the verse? It looks to be saying essentially the same thing twice, each of which is roughly congruent with other translations of the passage, but slightly more elaborative than the one in mine.

3:54 is subtly different from the passage I see too. Says "planner" in place of "deceiver." I am by no means an authority though (and don't even speak Arabic), so yours may be a more accurate translation.

On topic, 3:28, regardless of translation illustrates one of the innumerable problems with the foundation of Islam.

Thus the conundrum, the Quran has multiple translations. Is this purposeful to "deceive" the infidels? Or is it truly just misinterpreted text?

Either way Islam does permit deception toward infidels that is distinctly consistent in all translations.

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by ronasch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thus the conundrum, the Quran has multiple translations. Is this purposeful to "deceive" the infidels? Or is it truly just misinterpreted text?

Either way Islam does permit deception toward infidels that is distinctly consistent in all translations.

text over a thousand years old and your theory is 'sneaky muslims being sneaky'

this is why you get moderated.

[maskedmelon]

It's true though if you read the text. Another interesting thing about the Qu'ran is it offers a lot of discretion in its laws. For example when someone dies the Qu'ran instructs you to carry out their last wishes... UNLESS you are sure that is not what they REALLY meant. It includes a system of harsh laws and punishments, but often with loopholes for those with silver tongues, for Allah is merciful.

[ronasch]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

text over a thousand years old and your theory is 'sneaky muslims being sneaky'

this is why you get moderated.

Lying to infidels is consistent in all translations Pokesan. I urge you to find me a translation of Sura 3:28 that is not consistent with that.

[Pokesan]

a conspiracy 1000 years in the making

[ronasch]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

a conspiracy 1000 years in the making

If the shoe fits.

What benefit is it to American society to allow more and more Muslims into the USA? Or do you just wanna feel better about yourself?

It's obvious to me that the Progressives both left and right have allied with Islam particularly the Muslim Brotherhood and front groups like CAIR with the intention of destroying Christianity which Muslims and Progressives LOATHE.

Can't wait til the Zombie Apocalypse, all my target practice will payoff

[Pokesan]

you're an idiot

[ronasch]

I'm prepared