Should I re-roll my warrior?

[kebas239]

Hi all,

I'm currently a 40 Ogre warrior. I had originally chosen ogre due to them being the "min/max" race. I am, however, having second thoughts and am really disliking the appearance and size of them as well as being a run of the mill race/class combo.

I was thinking of re-rolling a Rallos Zek Halfling w/ all DEX at character creation. I think that they look cooler in addition to the other convenience features they have. Also, as Rallos, I think I'm able to get into some "evil" areas without becoming KOS to the friendlies. Most of the deficits, such as the lower stats and bash, should eventually be corrected with velious gear and level 55 stunning kick.

My primary concern is the loss of frontal stun immunity. Ultimately, I want to be an end game primary raid tank and am worried that losing this racial will screw me over. I understand that it's personal preference, but am trying to get other opinions (preferably from end game non-ogre warriors). Do you think that it's worth me re-rolling and losing this feature to pick a race that I enjoy more? My current gear/magelo is below using Halfling as a template.

http://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Hadur


Thanks in advance!

[Daldaen]

Frontal Stun Immunity is not required to be a main tank.

Ogres do have the best stats. The size can be overcome with a Cobalt Bracer (shrink click) indoors and Ant Potions (20pp per charge shrink potions) outdoors. Also an AoN (skeleton illusion) fixes the looks issue if you intend to be a really high end tank with a lot of coin.

The top geared main tank in Rampage and Forsaken, the two most hardcore of guilds, are Dwarf/Half Elf I'm fairly sure - (Correct me if I'm wrong, Rampage may have geared out someone else that I'm not aware of.)

Warrior race really doesn't matter at the high end. Frontal stun immunity is a joke of an ability for a warrior, your aggro is just fine when eating 2-3second bash stuns. In fact the more you're stunned the less you can get yourself riposted on. Something more useful would be Iksar AC or Half Elf Charisma (Divine Intervention triggers). Troll regen has a slight benefit but not much at high end tanking. Everyone else's racial is rather useless. Warriors really shouldn't need to hide or sneak, you've got other classes more suited for those things or Invis clickies at the high end.

[Raev]

In my opinion, there are only two warrior racials worth having for endgame raiding: stun immunity and the Iksar AC bonus. Stun immunity increases your threat by 6% or so vs raid targets, which is actually rather useful in Velious where fights last more than 20 seconds. Even in Kunark it can be useful. I remember 'tanking' Xygoz on Sakuragi; immediately after the first mallet charge he bashed me for two seconds. It also helps you position the mob a bit more easily.

TLDR: It's useful but hardly required. You have to decide whether you'd rather have a good looking toon or one 5% better. Personally I loathe the ogre model which is why I went Iksar.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Frontal stun immunity is a joke of an ability for a warrior, your aggro is just fine when eating 2-3second bash stuns. In fact the more you're stunned the less you can get yourself riposted on.

What kind of statement is that? Looking for the silver lining?

I didn't know you were an expert on warriors, what level is yours?

[Celatus]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Frontal Stun Immunity is not required to be a main tank.

Ogres do have the best stats. The size can be overcome with a Cobalt Bracer (shrink click) indoors and Ant Potions (20pp per charge shrink potions) outdoors. Also an AoN (skeleton illusion) fixes the looks issue if you intend to be a really high end tank with a lot of coin.

The top geared main tank in Rampage and Forsaken, the two most hardcore of guilds, are Dwarf/Half Elf I'm fairly sure - (Correct me if I'm wrong, Rampage may have geared out someone else that I'm not aware of.)

Warrior race really doesn't matter at the high end. Frontal stun immunity is a joke of an ability for a warrior, your aggro is just fine when eating 2-3second bash stuns. In fact the more you're stunned the less you can get yourself riposted on. Something more useful would be Iksar AC or Half Elf Charisma (Divine Intervention triggers). Troll regen has a slight benefit but not much at high end tanking. Everyone else's racial is rather useless. Warriors really shouldn't need to hide or sneak, you've got other classes more suited for those things or Invis clickies at the high end.

The top geared tanks are mostly ogre. Frontal stun immunity is required on some fights. Getting stunned and having a backstab mob pushed past you will get you killed. With the changes to flurry resetting kick/bash frontal stun immunity is more important now than ever. Ogre tanks are the min max class for a reason I require fewer stat buffs which opens more slots for things like damage shields and bard songs. I hit 6k hps easy where as a halfling even with my gear would not Especially in MR gear which some of the tougher fights require. If you care about looks then go with something else if you care about being the best tank go ogre.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Celatus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The top geared tanks are mostly ogre.

That's not even close to true. They're actually mostly half-elfs on this server for some strange reason.

Originally Posted by Celatus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Frontal stun immunity is required on some fights.

Can you name one for us, please?

Originally Posted by Celatus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Getting stunned and having a backstab mob pushed past you will get you killed.

So just Stanos then? What happens if you're not stunned and the mob still gets pushed past you? Same result, no? So frontal stun immunity had no affect?

Originally Posted by Celatus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

With the changes to flurry resetting kick/bash frontal stun immunity is more important now than ever.

Not really. Aggro generation is not purely reliant on auto attacks, especially with the rampant recharge abuse on this server.

Originally Posted by Celatus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ogre tanks are the min max class for a reason I require fewer stat buffs which opens more slots for things like damage shields and bard songs. I hit 6k hps easy where as a halfling even with my gear would not

That's probably not true for full stam/hp gear with a stam buff. Everybody caps at 255 regardless of race. The only advantage here actually goes to Iksar for the higher AC cap.

Originally Posted by Celatus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Especially in MR gear which some of the tougher fights require.

MR is only useful up to 255. If you're lucky enough to get a bard in your group, then it's really easy to reach the cap without sacrificing too many HP pieces. The differences in HP are negligible, though, considering that almost every single Velious and most high-end Kunark/planar raiding pieces for warriors have both STA and MR on them. Now if you want to talk about fights that require MR, FR, and/or CR... then you might have a very slight total HP advantage if the non-Ogre drops below 255 STA.

Originally Posted by Celatus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you care about looks then go with something else if you care about being the best tank go ogre.

That's debatable. As I established earlier, the only tank with a stat advantage is Iksar for the higher AC cap. So calling Ogre "the best" for a situational-at-best CASTER-related perk is purely subjective.

[Issar]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They're actually mostly half-elfs on this server for some strange reason.

Apparently there is a reason,... Robo-elf Helmets

[Sajan]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's not even close to true.

Celatus is one of Rampage's most experienced and top geared Ogre Warriors. This will not end well for you sir.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Sajan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Celatus is one of Rampage's most experienced and top geared Ogre Warriors. This will not end well for you sir.

I seriously hope you're referring to a different Celatus than the one linked in the Magelo on his sig.

Here's the most interesting part: This page was last modified on 25 March 2015, at 13:58

In six months he has gone from a mediocre-pre-raid mostly droppable armor set to one of Rampage's most experienced and top geared Ogre Warriors? It's funny that you had to specify Ogre warriors there. Do their non-Ogre warriors have more experience and gear that much better than their Ogre warriors that you have to formally announce the difference?

[Celatus]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's not even close to true. They're actually mostly half-elfs on this server for some strange reason.



Can you name one for us, please?



So just Stanos then? What happens if you're not stunned and the mob still gets pushed past you? Same result, no? So frontal stun immunity had no affect?



Not really. Aggro generation is not purely reliant on auto attacks, especially with the rampant recharge abuse on this server.



That's probably not true for full stam/hp gear with a stam buff. Everybody caps at 255 regardless of race. The only advantage here actually goes to Iksar for the higher AC cap.



MR is only useful up to 255. If you're lucky enough to get a bard in your group, then it's really easy to reach the cap without sacrificing too many HP pieces. The differences in HP are negligible, though, considering that almost every single Velious and most high-end Kunark/planar raiding pieces for warriors have both STA and MR on them. Now if you want to talk about fights that require MR, FR, and/or CR... then you might have a very slight total HP advantage if the non-Ogre drops below 255 STA.



That's debatable. As I established earlier, the only tank with a stat advantage is Iksar for the higher AC cap. So calling Ogre "the best" for a situational-at-best CASTER-related perk is purely subjective.

I can't think of one half elf in the top 5 geared tanks. <on blue> Never played on red.

Ikky stuns and backstabs, green flurry drakes also do. wtf cares about stanos lmao.

Auto attack aggro is still huge especially on long fights which is why a warrior simply auto attacking with non procing weapons can pull aggro on long fights. AKA fights with several tank switches. Or mobs that silence of which there are several.

Using a bard to cap your mr on a fear fight is a mistake because that bard is going to be feared. The top geared tanks you speak of cap mr with out a bard and still maintain 6k hps or near.

You obviously don't raid or have raid gear