Game Mechanics: sneak pull

[alsa]

Sneak pull should only work when the range attack "MISS". after patch even if range attack hit the mob, it no longer break sneak. Means sneak pull is easy mode now.

[baalzy]

09-25-2000

Originally Posted by http://www.monkly-business.net/forums/showthread.php?t=8889

4) Using Thrown Weapons and Sneak to split.

With the changes to Sneak (no longer dropping when you use a thrown weapon ) another use has come up! In order for this to work, you must be using a ranged weapon with a ranger greater then the static aggro of the mob ( ie method # 3 listed above): engage sneak, throw, insta split. Personally I'm using summoned suriken for this, and I haven't had to use FD on a split since I got back into EQ. This includes splitting spawns where the mobs are literally on top of each other, although some times I have hit the mob i didn't have targeted, I have never aggro'ed the other.

Velious release date:
December, 2000.

[alsa]

And that post said anything about damage break sneak?

[Wrench]

although some times I have hit the mob i didn't have targeted, I have never aggro'ed the othe

just walk away

[Haynar]

Originally Posted by alsa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sneak pull should only work when the range attack "MISS". after patch even if range attack hit the mob, it no longer break sneak. Means sneak pull is easy mode now.

Almost. Sneak is still working on the back 180 degrees which is coded wrong. Have that fix working too. Just not patched.

Working as intended.

H

[Daldaen]

Thread resurrect:

The quote listed by Baalzy above is from this website:

http://www.monkly-business.net/forum...ead.php?t=8889

Definitely was posted in September 2000. But there is information left out:

</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub35.ezboard.com/uautumndawnfire.showPublicProfile?language=EN>Autu mn Dawnfire</A>* at: 6/23/02 6:47:46 am

Let's also reexamine that quote:

With the changes to Sneak (no longer dropping when you use a thrown weapon ) another use has come up! In order for this to work, you must be using a ranged weapon with a ranger greater then the static aggro of the mob ( ie method # 3 listed above): engage sneak, throw, insta split. Personally I'm using summoned suriken for this, and I haven't had to use FD on a split since I got back into EQ. This includes splitting spawns where the mobs are literally on top of each other, although some times I have hit the mob i didn't have targeted, I have never aggro'ed the other.

May 2002 Patch Notes

Sneak only breaks when a character is hit, not when he hits someone.

Luclin release date December 2001

Discuss.

[Vega]

Seems like patch notes could be implying melee damage, not just ranged.

[Vega]

Originally Posted by Vega [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Seems like patch notes could be implying melee damage, not just ranged.

Oops, it seems I didn't read Daldaen's post well enough. Although, I'm going to use the excuse that I got confused by the html in the quote :P

Also, Haynar, if you're going to add back in ranged flight time, can you add in wizard bolt flight time? This is useful for Ragefire bracer pulling:

Blazing Bracer of Fennin Ro is the best pulling tool for wars in the game imo, with line of sight zones too you can single pull, just nuke - then run behind a pillar or wall and wait for it to hit (bolt effect) then you've got yourself a single pull. (atleast most of the time)

http://www.thesteelwarrior.org/forum...14&postcount=9


Also, I'm not sure about this post that Raev brought up:

Take a peak out and see the positioning of all the Minos. There is 1 mino that is just near the mino elder pit. He was always my first victim. I walk up slowly! into his aggro range seeing as he faces the direction of my pull spot. Before I even get to melee range he will move to atack you as you enter his SMALLER (due to sneak) aggro range. At this point BACK UP ASAP into your pull spot. Once he hits you he will break your sneak but you will most likely be out of aggro range of other minos by then. If your fast enough you will only get that 1 mino.

This post not only implies it lowers aggro range for assist, but that it lowers it for consideration. I don't think that's true, or you never would have been able to vendor or turn in quests as indiff while sneaking. My guess is this guy might have lagged and the server thought he was infront of the mob. Is there other proof for it working like a lull? Maybe I missed it.

[Daldaen]

From that very same thread:

October 2000:

Its main use appears to be when there are mobs that are Agro, close, but *NOT* social. If you can sneak in and nail one with a shuriken or get yourself inside the vision sector of one but not the others, then sneak back FAST out of the agro range of the second before you're hit and sneak is blown, you can pull just one of them fast and easy rather than the time and hassle of a feign pull. Of course this is easier for rangers, rogues as they have nice long range bows to use for this, but then if it messes up they can't just FD, so I know what I prefer!



Its claimed that sneak can be used as a minor harmony effect on *SOCIAL* mobs to reduce their add radius, but personally I haven't had much success with this at all. By far the best way to pull these is harmony if outside of course, or fd/chain, or the best way "be high enough level to only get one of them" <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT="[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]"> .

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Vega [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This post not only implies it lowers aggro range for assist, but that it lowers it for consideration. I don't think that's true, or you never would have been able to vendor or turn in quests as indiff while sneaking. My guess is this guy might have lagged and the server thought he was infront of the mob. Is there other proof for it working like a lull? Maybe I missed it.

Basically this guy is sneak pulling some mobs by face aggroing them. This works for him (and everyone agrees it is a standard tactic) because he is not using ranged attack, so sneak does not break.

I am not so sure about the lull aspect myself; the only evidence we have there is Autumn, although from a balance perspective it would be great if the assist range was not 0.

From the same monk thread:

Best use for this I've found: this makes us into chain-pulling gods. Let a monk pull whatever he wants up into a nice tidy FD pile a good distance from the group, target the one you want, bring it to the group. Monk just stands up and re-FDs to keep the pile there while you whittle them down one by one until only casters are left.

This is from 2002 but quoting a Safehouse thread from the Kunark era.