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Old 04-04-2014, 04:10 AM
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Thumbs up RED Tips, Advice, Tricks for the New Red Player

IF you happen to be considering Red99 these are a few tips that can help you have a more enjoyable experience.

Tips for players new to the pvp scene, feel free to add more, I'm novice at best. Will edit good ones into list.

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When you can, buy gems with extra money. People can't loot your gems when you die. Best rate (when turning them back into platinum) is carnelians I think but those are like 8g each. Gems have different exchange rates and faction/charisma can make a huge difference on larger exchanges. No real pref here, I use peridots, they are ~10p each which makes for easy trade and tipping money along the way. Beware of shady vendors.

Use the environment. Much easier to spot a noob in a field medding than a noob next to a tree medding, With levitate and the right incline, you can face it, hold down run and slowly climb (works great with trees) some trees have a change in angle mid way and are impossible to climb using this method. Instead, run to a point of higher elevation and levitate over to the change in angle, climb. You can sit and med in most of these spots if you find a point where you no longer sink while just standing there. The further away from a wall the better. Expect hackusations.

Gate. Use it as a escape, not a doctors note to avoid pvp. Meaning, I see too many people gate out of zone. You're gonna have to travel anyway. Set up a bind in zone, shit gets rough, gate and recoup for a counter attack, don't just take your ball and go home. Use critical thought here, this method can be disastrous vs a competent and tracking class.

We have a shit load of heroes. Like everyone, almost every player here was botb or glad, pimp shit, emp whatever. Doesn't mean you can't be too, but let's be real here, it's gonna take time. While you're on your personal journey to greatness, don't forget the simple shit like tash and malo, heals, cures, whatever it is that wont get the KB/YT but will help the grp is worth doing. 9/10 times you wont kill that twink, but banded together, you just might.

Words/pages/runes - low pop and rare drop. Shitty mix for new players, I would suggest as a general practice, save the words and pages till ya hit a city and then sell them at the guild vendors. Don't know who did it, but lvling up, I happened to see almost every research spell I needed at the mage vendors along with mage specific words. Fuckin amazing to say the least. I try to do this now too. Do this on the reg and respond to other players looking for words and tell them to do the same. Could be gold. The wiki has a good spread for seeing what pages are for what class, noobs get thousands of collective plat thrown at you, do your part.

Not getting ganked - what the fuck are you smoking? It happens. Learn to live with it, in the worst case, alt for a bit. 90% of the time if you get corpse camped, you had it coming, the other 8%, bronson, the other 2, random gang violence.

How to avoid that - be a decent human. Shit actually goes a long way. Making friends is the only thing that will really help you on red. The downside to this is that with too many, you end up missing out on a lot of pvp. But, further down the road, you can even have pvp with these friends and still have fun. It's a game. I play the wild card. If I don't attack you now, one day I might later, but probably not.

Know your zone, nothin surgical, but at least have rough bearings and know where your out is, your decoy safe spot, a real safe spot, a place to avoid track, vendor ect. All this goes a long way when the big moment comes. You do not want to be caught in a moment of "oh shit!" or "oh fuck!" Those will get you killed.

"Over here" doesn't mean a god damn thing. "To the north!" works. And fuck a loc, who the hell actually has a grid layout in their mind? Takes a little bit of time to get used to but well worth it.

Someone sittin smug in a city? Taunting you? Been a while on this one, not sure if they patched it, but, harmony the guards.

Buy Crystallized Pumice and Cloudy Potions if you can't disspell or invis yourself. they might not have been worth it on blue servers, but on red they can save your life.
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Lot's of other basics along the way, would do the senseheading and /who bound to movement keys and shit but I'm hoping most of you already know those tricks. Gonna try to keep it red. Will add more when I think of em, most are almost very basic tips. Add your own!


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Old 05-14-2014, 03:48 PM
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It was classic to do those things. Balancing PVP is not viable for EQ as it was not designed with pvp in mind. This is why you end up with something watered down that devolves into poopsocking later. The great thing about "gamebreaking" (snicker) shit like blind and fear is it caused people to use other tactics and group for pvp. You think blind is game breaking? How did you ever pvp on live?
Blind works pretty much the same it did on live. Lands on people with low mr. Good for low level pvp, but when people start getting their mr gear it's almost always resisted. If this isn't what you remember then you didn't play classic pvp.

Fear did not work in pvp at this point in the timeline. Not sure when the first fear (and charm) nerf happened, but here's the second round that ended it even for AE classes:

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March 29, 2000
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Area Effect "Fear" spells will no longer work in PvP. This affects a
bard song, as well as the Cleric "Wave of Fear" spell.
But it was nerfed for our entire timeline because people could use it to exploit.
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Old 05-15-2014, 04:31 AM
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Reset thread again. Copying Softcore's post she made near the end of the last thread regarding blind, fear, charm. Goofy as hell that people don't remember that those spells didn't work (with the exception of blind, which was resisted if you had any MR gear at all).
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Old 05-15-2014, 05:15 AM
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Reset thread again. Copying Softcore's post she made near the end of the last thread regarding blind, fear, charm. Goofy as hell that people don't remember that those spells didn't work (with the exception of blind, which was resisted if you had any MR gear at all).
Blind is specificlaly what I was referring to whens tating "shits classic".

I never played on pvp servers, but that spell won me all kind of pvp tournaments, amongst my own guild.
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Old 05-15-2014, 05:23 AM
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Blind is specificlaly what I was referring to whens tating "shits classic".

I never played on pvp servers, but that spell won me all kind of pvp tournaments, amongst my own guild.
wat?
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Old 05-15-2014, 05:41 AM
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wat?
Im not sure which part of my post you're questioning. I'm assuming the part that didn't seem warranted?

I think it was misplaced-- there was another thread where someone was complaining that certain spells (namely blind, root) shouldn't even work at all in pvp. When I was mentioned a previous reference of mine, it was because I had read the quote by Nihilist in softcores above post, and mistaken this thread for that thread.

5:44 am, multiple tabs and a thick green fog aroud my head. apologies for the mispost :P

but still, blind ftw.. when it isnt resisted.


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I figured I might as well add something relevant to the actual discussion after that biff.

I'm new to Red myself, and I've been seeing a lot of people even newer than myself in the past couple evenings. Been doing what I can (Free buffs @ Kurn's) to help. But I've noticed a tendency in a lot of the new players to outright ask people for "FREE ITAMZ" in /ooc, and I just hope this isn't a growing trend.
Everyone knows the items are just pixels, and that at some point in your time in the game someone is going to offer you sweet pixels for free.. that being said, the game is possible to play without BIS @ lv 15 and I feel its a bit inappropriate for an influx of people new to the server to beg globally.

TL;DR. My Tip for the new red players (myself included): tact. use it.
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Old 05-15-2014, 06:16 AM
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5:44 am, multiple tabs and a thick green fog aroud my head. apologies for the mispost :P
lol. no worries.

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I'm new to Red myself, and I've been seeing a lot of people even newer than myself in the past couple evenings. Been doing what I can (Free buffs @ Kurn's) to help. But I've noticed a tendency in a lot of the new players to outright ask people for "FREE ITAMZ" in /ooc, and I just hope this isn't a growing trend.
Everyone knows the items are just pixels, and that at some point in your time in the game someone is going to offer you sweet pixels for free.. that being said, the game is possible to play without BIS @ lv 15 and I feel its a bit inappropriate for an influx of people new to the server to beg globally.

TL;DR. My Tip for the new red players (myself included): tact. use it.
There's always going to be a few people who stand around asking for handouts. On blue they use the EC tunnel, on Red they use global ooc. But those people will learn a couple hard lessons about red when they go to collect their phat lewtz from player xyz. =P
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