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Originally Posted by Rogean
Training
Training can be defined as the intentional manipulation of NPC Placement and Aggro in such a way that causes it to attack another player that it wouldn't have otherwise if at it's normal spawn location. The most basic form of this is "dumping" mobs near another player or party and escaping via a form of teleportation or death. Intentional or not, this is against the rules. This rule is not limited to the basic example given, as there are many different forms of training players will use. You take all responsibility for mobs that you aggro. If you are trying to escape from a pack of NPC's but there is another group in your way, do not run through them. Even if your intention is not to train them, it would inevitable cause this and you may be subject to disciplinary. It is recommended that you take the death (Your responsibility for aggroing the mobs) and request a resurrection from nearby players.
If you happen to accidentally train a group of players, please immedietely notify the staff via /petition that you have done so by accident. Apologize to the players in question, and assist them with any recovery needed. If the staff hears about your train before you tell them, intention is no longer an excuse. (Repeated unintentional trains will still result in disciplinary action).
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Originally Posted by Rogean
Q: Will the planes be open to everyone?
A: Yes. Please be respectful to your fellow players and respect their space. If there is a guild getting ready to raid Hate for some armor and they start pulling creatures, don't go up there and sit on top of them pulling mobs in their area as well. If Guild A is doing Hate, then perhaps Guild B should be doing Fear. Basically, don't be a douche bag.
Q: What if our raid is disrupted? What if our raid interferes with another raid?
A: Any non-consensual disturbance or meddling from a raid which leads to another raid being disrupted will result in very harsh punishments. Anyone involved in disruptions will be banned for 1 week with possible action against their guild's leadership. Second offenses will be 2 weeks. Further offenses will be permanent. It is the responsibility of the raid leaders to control their members. We strongly suggest that you avoid other raids while in a zone.
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Honestly, I haven't read everything in R&F. And I wasn't in fear when the Yibz+A-Team incident went down. But based on a few things I've seen, I'm really fucking confused.
Rogean wrote these rules. They are specific, and they are pretty damn clear. And then he enforced them by suspending Yibz and punishing TMO also.
But big Sirk is in R&F with:
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Originally Posted by Sirken
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i constantly hear EQ is not hard, and then i see people mad cause they dont know what they are doing in fear. heres a protip, breaking at the west wall is for noobs. run to the north wall where only 1 mob paths and omg avoid all the kiting which is how we did it on live. its like sitting at the MM zoneline and QQing about the trains. sitting in the exact spot of the kite and being like OMG HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN, WHY ME WHY NOW.
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Originally Posted by Sirken
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if this was instanced crapbutt, then you could go to fear and do whatever you want for as long as you want. if you decide you only want to play on the west wall, and then CT spawns, you can either move out of the way, or, you can stay there and get yourself trained.
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kids who cry about getting social aggro from the kites because they are in the SW corner of the zone deserve their fate for being dumber than a bag of rocks, just like kids that hang out at the MM zoneline who complain about constant training in MM are also dumber than a bag of rocks and deserve their fate.
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Where in the history of the server was it ever stated that players where not allowed to kite the fear trash out of the way? exactly. because that's not a thing, but please feel free to continue to just make shit up if you feel it will help your argument. and to be clear, it's a perfectly legit strat that has existed on live servers since at least kunark. i'm sincerely sorry that you did it wrong all those years ago, but luckily i'm here to enlighten you.
and yes at the end of the day saying "omg don't go ww nub" is exactly what some people need to hear, because they apparently have no damned idea what they are doing in plane of fear yet, and then they complain and petition about other guilds when they get wiped due to stupidity and a severe lack of understanding how the zone works.
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And Deru is up in here with
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Originally Posted by Derubael
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I've never suspended or punished anyone for a train to the zone in, unless it was intentionally done to fuck with people.
There is a big difference between an intentional train meant to cause harm and an unintentional train.
Training to the zone in is classic as fuck. Karnor's Castle: 1 billion trains served
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But if you're fighting mobs on that wall chances are you're gonna have a bad time. It's wise to move.
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Why you gotta force your playstyle on people? There's a raid mob up, why don't you just move to a safer spot until it's dead then go back to clearing.
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It's just as 'dumb' as staying on that wall and being shocked that you got aggro from the entire zone being kited. Unintentional and intentional. Important distinctions here.
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Forcing that playstyle again. You have R class mobs if you'd like to take the time to clear (even though you won't, because nobody does). If it's an FFA spawn, people are going to do what they need to do in order to get the mob the fastest.
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You know, it's funny. Everyone rages out at Doljonijiarnimorinar for being a bunch of inflammatory scrubs. But they were in Fear the other day trying to get CT and caught unintentional social aggro from another guilds train kites while on a wall, wiped the fuck out multiple times because of it, and just stood up, dusted themselves off, and tried again.
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The fuck is going on here?
I understand that
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Originally Posted by Autotune
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Upset staff can have an opinion in RnF when it doesn't align with his own.
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But this doesn't come across as them having opinions. It comes across as how they would enforce things if Rogean weren't in fear himself to see this happen. Small wonder a majority of the server has wanted to keep their hands clean of the raid scene for the last 2 years. Shit like this makes me wonder if all of the times some guild mentioned something like TMO training hate port up or TMO dragging mobs up onto ledge or whatever actually went down how the alleged tinfoil hat crew claimed, and someone sharing Sirken's or Derubal's "opinion" of how the rules should be enforced was the staff member online at the time to deal with it.
God damn. Come on. Rogean's rules and PNP are beautiful. And then Sirk and Deru chime in with "GET FUCKED CASUAL RAIDERS. THIS IS HOW THINGS WORK IN THE REAL P99. ROGEANS RULES MEAN NOTHING TO MEEEEEE!!!!!"
Ok. Ready for my ban now. I just couldn't resist the last paragraph though.
01-21-2014, 03:02 PM
Sirken+Deru v Rogean on server rules
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