Call for LNS to be disabled for all Raids... GMs, lets talk...

[Elderan]

LNS works well in small pvp situations. It is easy to tell who is dead, coming back for corpse recovery and such.

However in mass pvp it is a TOTAL nightmare. It is impossible for someone to see a geared person in the middle of 20-40 people and know if they just looted their stuff when pvp action is still happening.

Also LNS is being used as a shield. Here is the example from tonight. After the main battle in Solb, Nihilum zoned our the remaining 12-16 people and Red Dawn did not follow. Nihilum then controlled Lavastorm while Red Dawn controlled Solb. Our goal was to prevent them from adding more people to their raid and luring them out into Lavastorm to negate their numbers, we also had reinforcements coming. Red Dawn had people coming from Nek to add to their raid. We would kill them in Lavastorm. Then they would come back and we could not touch them, they would loot and then walk into Solb and add to Red Dawns existing raid.

According to LNS once you die in pvp if you are ressed in you must LNS. This is IMPOSSIBLE to track. Meaning you cannot combat ress.

By far the easiest solution for this is to just disable LNS for any raids greater than 12 people.

[Loto]

Originally Posted by Elderan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Red Dawn had people coming from Nek to add to their raid. We would kill them in Lavastorm.

You forgot to mention that all of the people you killed in Lavastorm after the main battle were naked and trying to get to their bodies in Sol B to begin with. And you would kill us without the chance. Which is why the ban hammer came down on your ilk.

[hagard]

Take a deep breath, step away from the computer, this just a game, keep repeating this to yourself, this is just a game, eventually u will realize norrath ain't rl

[Witness]

Elderan, it's actually not impossible, if your force gets so small you get pushed out of the zone the raid mob is in..LEAVE, dont stay in lavastorm, just freaking leave. that's what any normal person would do. Instead you guys stayed in Lavastorm, tried to grief (which was the whole point of the pnp to stop griefing) any late comers, and got yourselves banned in the process.

Lose control of raid zone? GO DO SOMETHING ELSE. solved.

[Elderan]

Originally Posted by Loto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You forgot to mention that all of the people you killed in Lavastorm after the main battle were naked and trying to get to their bodies in Sol B to begin with. And you would kill us without the chance. Which is why the ban hammer came down on your ilk.

Not true, exed was fully geared... That is who Tune was banned for.

[Elderan]

Originally Posted by Witness [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Elderan, it's actually not impossible, if your force gets so small you get pushed out of the zone the raid mob is in..LEAVE, dont stay in lavastorm, just freaking leave. that's what any normal person would do. Instead you guys stayed in Lavastorm, tried to grief (which was the whole point of the pnp to stop griefing) any late comers, and got yourselves banned in the process.

Lose control of raid zone? GO DO SOMETHING ELSE. solved.

Never heard of regrouping?

[hagard]

Originally Posted by Elderan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not true, exed was fully geared... That is who Tune was banned for.

Not Julian like 5x?

[Witness]

Originally Posted by Elderan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Never heard of regrouping?

your "regrouping" is exactly what the PnP is trying to stop. What don't you get about that? if Red Dawn was on the flip side and we had 16 people in lavastorm we would have gone and done something else, not see if we can grief 1 or 2 people.

there was mass pvp, you guys lost control of the raid zone, and pnp did its job

[Elderan]

Originally Posted by Witness [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

your "regrouping" is exactly what the PnP is trying to stop. What don't you get about that? if Red Dawn was on the flip side and we had 16 people in lavastorm we would have gone and done something else, not see if we can grief 1 or 2 people.

there was mass pvp, you guys lost control of the raid zone, and pnp did its job

Our 16 is worth about 30 Red dawn.. we had 12 more people coming ready to go. We were not out of it by a long shot.

[Loto]

Originally Posted by Elderan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not true, exed was fully geared... That is who Tune was banned for.

I wasn't aware that the Hand of CSR spoke to their targets before they smote them.