Hate Generation Value from Staff of Temperate Flux?

[Lojik]

So I've seen a lot of threads with breakdowns of hate generated by certain procs. Anyone have an exact number for hate generation from one click of this staff?

[Tuljin]

i dont know a specific number but its so low that a single melee hit from anybody will draw agro away from you. i will pull with flux staff and have a melee intercept the mob with a single melee attack and the agro will snap to them (pet as well). the hate number is probably 1.

[Lojik]

There is no way that the hate value is as low as one. I would think something like 50 at least. If the hate value were one I would literally have to click the staff hundreds of times to hold aggro over someone meleeing. As it is I can draw aggro away from pretty much anyone just by clicking the staff, and I can aggro kite with a melee partner and click the staff probably 10-15 times and hold aggro for most of the fight (at least I could around level 51, haven't done it since then.)

[Tuljin]

hm idk what the number is but its damn low =) its tough to hold agro with flux staff when people start meleeing, you have to stun to do that. once other people start hitting i dont even bother fluxing to peel agro away i stun, ive spammed flux staff a shitload and its damn near impossible to peel agro with just the flux staff when a group is on a mob.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Wizard/Rogue is a fairly popular combo because of agro kiting and usually I see them just spamming flux staff. Do most of them cast a stun after the snare before spamming or is snare+Flux strong enough to hold agro?

[Nixus]

Originally Posted by Yumyums Inmahtumtums [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wizard/Rogue is a fairly popular combo because of agro kiting and usually I see them just spamming flux staff. Do most of them cast a stun after the snare before spamming or is snare+Flux strong enough to hold agro?

yes

[Lojik]

Just snare + staff

[Lojik]

Well I just did a brief test with a Necro. Cast chill bones on a sarnak berzerker, I was able to pull aggro away with 2 staff clicks. Not sure what this means. Sorry it wasn't more extensive...maybe later.

FWIW the few times I grouped in seb I would use the staff to pull aggro off mobs that broke charm or aggroed clerics on heals, was pretty damn quick to pull them off.

[Velerin]

The staff seems to work differently here than live (though all spell hate seems to be >>> melee hate here). On live the staff is an awesome pulling tool but I could spam as fast as I could click and I'd never pull aggro off others doing any damage.

[Lojik]

Originally Posted by Velerin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The staff seems to work differently here than live (though all spell hate seems to be >>> melee hate here). On live the staff is an awesome pulling tool but I could spam as fast as I could click and I'd never pull aggro off others doing any damage.

I personally don't remember how much it taunted on live. A quick google search however revealed many posts from around 2001 where wizards claim it is a great taunt item.

Also found a post that said it was usable by non-wizards until sometime in 2001, but can't always rely on these posts as solid evidence. Even if it was "classic" for non-wizards to be able to use this item, I can only imagine how game breaking it would be on this server.