Question to Sirken/Nilbog about training

[Stasis01]

Now that guilds have people with multiple 60's, people will often drop trains on characters they don't normally play. A good example of this is Sektor training Sebilis.

If you suspend Sektor's cleric for a week for training it won't serve as a deterrent what so ever, and I can speak to that first hand - even two weeks is worth it for a good sized train.

I am not saying we need subjective snap decisions when mobs agro - but for obvious purposeful training like Sektor did, on fraps, I think the entire Nihilum guild needs a punishment to deter this behavior in the future.

Possibly lose Trak next week, unable to contest as a guild, or suspend all of his characters for a week (they're all sektorx/sektorz etc) just a thought.

Sektor is currently laughing about a possible 1 week suspension on a toon he doesn't even really play, but he could have wiped 30 people and gave Nihilum the victory had we not been prepared to handle it.

[Thrilla]

lol

ur such a crybaby, ya lets suspend an entire guild even people who weren't online for someone's intentional or non intentional train (that apparently is up for debate)

seems like a legit request

[HeisChuck]

I got ban hammer for bein at the solb zoneline when naggy was slewn

[Sektor]

Stasis going off the deep end here.

[Labanen]

Is there some sort of requirement when you join azrael from nihilum, that you have to write lame requests to have nihilum banned as a guild ? Ffs, i ve been trained so many times i lost count, but i dont Bitch and petition about them... Obviously its currently against the rule so petition them if you can document it and feel its important enough for a -1, and then please stfu.

[Stasis01]

That's just it, I don't think a ban is required or necessary, or even good.

I would rather a punishment for the group, and let peer pressure sort this out. If Nihilum can't raid Trak next week because of Sektor's behavior - I believe you won't see the same thing happening next time.

The current punishment is limp, and if Sektor gets a week he'll laugh about it and play his druid/pally/any other toon.

I don't care about trains, and wouldn't mind if they were legal, but since they are not - we should at least address the issue of people doing it on alts not worried about the punishment.

It's just common sense.

[Terpuntine]

Just make training legal and lets be men about it.

[Giovanni]

Nihilum is toxic for the server.

• Holocaust - Nihilum got my guild banned for copying Nihilum's own tactics with Nagafen. None of the loot they got via exploit was removed.
• Heresy - Nihilum corpse camped our guild of 52-55's in plane of hate until they quit.
• Azrael - Nihilum resorting to training using their numerous alts so suspensions are irrelevant.

VZTZ had period wipes which prevented these code red levels of pixel frenzy. Never seen a box so focused on pixels over pals and pixels over pvp.

Note that with the Holocaust ban, guild leaders were also held fully responsible for the actions of their guild members...

[Labanen]

If you re telling me that loosing a level 60 toon even for a period of time is not enough of a punishment for an offense which you yourself think shouldnt be illegal, then the common sense part is lost, at least for me.

[Stasis01]

It isn't.

He mains his pally, when Nizzar was suspended he played his warrior (60 epic full gear aon)

Both suspensions were ineffective in serving as a deterrent, I guess if you can't see that - then I don't know what to say.

Sektor is trying to prove himself to the Nihilum core, trying to be the hero - he believes he's giving himself for the greater good.

Punish the group and make that backfire on him, and people won't do it. This is why the army makes everyone do push-ups/exercises for failures when learning how to march/perform. Peer pressure is the greatest motivator you can have here.

Unless you set up the rules that people will enforce themselves, and have the consequence mean something it should just be legal.

Training Trakanon on 30 deep in seb is about as bad of a train as you can do - it wiped the entire 50 people, and ruined the fight.

It ruined the pvp, everyone should be on the same page in saying this is not what we want.