Pathing Black Dire

[Boilon]

So I found a group of people (not naming names right now) that were pulling Black Dire to the pond at the zone in to Mistmoore and kiting him around the pond while the Wizard in the group proceeded to nuke him down. The person kiting him around was a bard with slow song for agro and selo'ing around the pond so he didn't get hit (though he almost died at some point). Is this classic?

Also, is this considered exploiting pathing to kill a mob? I.e is this something that should be reported as intentionally exploiting pathing to kill a mob without physically engaging it? I'm not sure what sort of rules are in place with regards to pathing and higher named killing. At one point another member of the group was kiting black dire around the pond while waiting for the bard (who was low hp due to some spells I guess) to come back in to the zone to resume kiting... I have never seen anyone do this with Black Dire but let me know if there is anything wrong here.

[Stinkum]

This thread should probably be in the Petitions section under the 'Exploit' drop-down.

I am not saying it is an exploit, just saying where it belongs. I personally don't see how this is in anything other than standard low-HP kiting.

[Boilon]

Originally Posted by Stinkum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This thread should probably be in the Petitions section under the 'Exploit' drop-down.

I am not saying it is an exploit, just saying where it belongs. I personally don't see how this is in anything other than standard low-HP kiting.

Naw this was not intended as low-hp kiting. It just happened that the bard got really low hp throughout the kiting process. I believe Black Dire casts sk/necro spells? So that was probably what he was getting hit by. But, you're right maybe indeed this is the wrong section, wasn't sure where to put it.

[kaos057]

Are you asking if aggro kiting is exploiting?

[Boilon]

Originally Posted by kaos057 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you asking if aggro kiting is exploiting?

he kept walking back and forth through the pond (the bard) thus having Black Dire move in a fashion that the mob was never actually getting to him. Rather Black Dire should have moved through the pond rather than around the pond to attack him (thus looping Black Dire back and forth). I mean I'll post some screenshots maybe that might help I don't know but to me, unless I'm super tired it seems like there's something wrong with this. Or maybe like said above this is rather something for the petition/exploit forum.

[kaos057]

If he has to keep moving its not an exploit. It's not like he just stood in water and the mob just sat there looking at him while being nuked to death right? I'm actually surprised an NPC is actually following pathing. Usually they just warp around and walk through walls.

[lecompte]

I'm pretty sure this strategy isn't all that uncommon. I recall people doing it with lev and couple of pet classes... Takes forever though.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Boilon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

he kept walking back and forth through the pond (the bard) thus having Black Dire move in a fashion that the mob was never actually getting to him. Rather Black Dire should have moved through the pond rather than around the pond to attack him (thus looping Black Dire back and forth). I mean I'll post some screenshots maybe that might help I don't know but to me, unless I'm super tired it seems like there's something wrong with this. Or maybe like said above this is rather something for the petition/exploit forum.

People would do this with juggs in sebilis over the water before Trakanon's lair. It was considered a pathing exploit in that case. Certain locations would cause the juggs to bounce between pathing nodes.

[Boilon]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People would do this with juggs in sebilis over the water before Trakanon's lair. It was considered a pathing exploit in that case. Certain locations would cause the juggs to bounce between pathing nodes.

Well taking that example and relating it to what I saw then, would it be a similar situation? Is this something for this forum or more for something I should use petition/exploit ?

Also the fire giants in Solb can also be infinitely kited using the ledge near the castle to get them to run back and forth. Wouldn't this also be a similar situation? So what do we do with this sort of thing?

[kaos057]

I guess it depends how you look at it. Should the person doing it get in trouble? I would say no. Should it be fixed? Definitely (if it wasnt like that in classic)