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Kobold
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A change to the Wraith's spawn mechanics appears to have occurred with the adjustments to Epic quests in the March 14, 2001 patch.
Prior to the patch
The Wraith was a triggered spawn off the death of Cazic Thule:
- https://web.archive.org/web/20010303.../000004-5.html
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Nesuril
posted September 21, 2000 07:19 PM
Sorry to post again so fast, but this was something that I just read on Elt's board.
We killed Cazic Thule and immediately a Wraith of a Shissir spawned in the temple. It conned yellow and indifferent to me.
Wraith of a Shissir drops a skull that is no doubt used in the quest. Here is what I am thinking -- if the Shissir are indeed involved. It may not even be our quest at all.
-- Once you get the ink, pen, and paper, you give it to Stofo. Something happens and I'm not sure what. After that, our quest takes us to Kunark where we have to basically become embroiled in this whole Shissar plot. Charisis is mentioned in the passage as the "area in the middle of the Overthere", and a Shissar Wraith drops a skull that maybe will become more relevant once the rest of this puzzle has been solved. I'm pretty sure that the pen comes from somewhere inside the Hole, and that more than likely the leads on Bertoxx are right for the ink. Now, what mob you actually have to kill to GET the stuff, and who assigns the item, I have no idea, but my bet is that the weapon COMES from the Spirit of the Shissar once you give him the skull from the wraith?
I am guessing here, but I want to give people my brainstorming so that this stuff gets out on the table and I'm not just sitting on it.
~Nes
[This message has been edited by Nesuril (edited 09-21-2000).]
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- https://web.archive.org/web/20020614...ary/dd002.html
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そうして、Cazic Thule kill 後に pop する Enchanter Epic Mob [Wraith of a Shissir] を pull して kill。
この時は、一番 Quest が進んでいる Marimx が満場一致で Item を Get!
DDG Translate:
Then, pull the Enchanter Epic Mob [Wraith of a Shissir] that pops after killing Cazic Thule and kill it. This time, Marimx, who is the most advanced on the Quest, unanimously gets the Item!
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The above capture is from 2002, but we see in the accompanying screenshot that there are only 6 hotbuttons, so we know this is prior to Nov 2000.
- https://web.archive.org/web/20011112....shtml?id=5152
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Enchanter Epic mob
By: Anonymous
Posted @ Thu, Feb 8th 7:23 PM 2001
Spawns at the top of the pyramid after cazic dies, I've heard it will despawn about 10 minutes later. It doubles for 300 or so but if you've been able to take Cazic you shouldn't have too much trouble with it.
Drops the Rarest piece of the enchanter epic.
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Reposting Sundawg's comment with date for context:
- https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/...html?quest=780
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Wraith of the Shissar
Feb 06 2001 at 10:06 PM
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The Wraith of the Shissar despawns not long after Cazic-Thule is killed. I don't have an exact time, but I know that we killed Cazic, and by the time we cleaned up the extra mobs that attacked us with Cazic, completed the rezzes and prepared to fight the Wraith, it despawned. Poor chanter. =(
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From the above two comments we see the triggered Wraith could despawn.
The Wraith's broadcast upon despawning:
- https://web.archive.org/web/20030405..._a_Serpent.htm
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[Sat Mar 03 04:51:26 2001] Wraith of a Shissir shouts 'I shall return!!
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After the patch
The Wraith becomes a timed spawn:
- https://web.archive.org/web/20011112....shtml?id=5152
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What was the change
By: Anonymous
Posted @ Tue, Mar 27th 10:57 PM 2001
What has changed about her spawn pattern. I'm fairly certain she isn't tied to CT anymore, does anyone have a clue as to what it is now?
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RE: What was the change
By: Anonymous
Posted @ Wed, Mar 28th 11:59 PM 2001
She has been to either a timed or a random spawn. Doesn't matter if Cazic is up anymore.
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New Spawm Time
By: Anonymous
Posted @ Sun, May 27th 11:15 PM 2001
This mob doesnt spawm after killing Cazic no more,hers what i know,hope this help you
Whey zone into fear the day after cazic was killed and he was up,he keep saying in zone "time for me to go,Iwill be back later",Dont worry he never dispawm,toke us 4h to get to him and he never dispawm,dont think he does no more
Alson he con indiferent and hes not much harder to kill than any Gorgon,hits for 250
My quest his that he is on a radom spawm now,but that just a quest,hope this help some enc cause being a enc myself,i know that info is limited in that mob
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RE: New Spawm Time
Posted @ Mon, Jun 4th 2:02 PM 2001
We ended up taking on this critter just before getting set up for another round of fear. Hence, we ended up using the people on hand before everyone had returned -- ended up being about 3 groups of mostly low-50's. The fight was won, with a couple of casualties.
Warning this mob is NOT a regular Gorgon. It's highly Magic Resistant (which probably isn't a huge surprise considering it drops an epic item.) Neither myself lvl 55 Ench nor the Lvl 58 Ench was able to get a slow to stick. So, be prepared to take on the unbuffed mob. The timing on this wraith was that it popped Saturday noon after Cazic was killed on a Thursday. A thought that occurs to me is that it seems similiar to how Ragefire spawns in the 72 hours following Naggy's death. Good luck with your quest, fellow enchanters!
Aeloryn Dreamsculptor
55 Beguiler, Quellious, Immortals of Justice
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no longer tied in with Cazic
By: Anonymous
Posted @ Mon, Oct 1st 2:06 PM 2001
The Wraith of a Shissar no longer spawns upon Cazic Thule's death. She spawns independently on a 24-72 hour timer inside the temple, and can despawn, in which case she will shout "I shall return." She is particularly nasty for a lvl 55 but we managed to smoke her last night pretty easy. We had 26 people present. She drops the Head of a Serpent every time. She is seldom up for obvious reasons.
Prurience Concupiscence
54th Illusionist of Karana
Leadership Council - New Dawn Rising
Torvonnilous
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- https://web.archive.org/web/20010611...ML/000347.html
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Seylena Kalaman
posted March 15, 2001 02:42 PM
I was witness to a full fear clear last night, including the new buffed up CT. He took out 84 people the first time, but they got back up and whuped him. Upon whuping him, no Spirit of the Shissar popped. My guess is that it is a rare off gorgons like the vapmire essence in hate, or that the spirit of shissar will pop after you kill a gorogon, like the thought corrupter in hate.
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- https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/...html?quest=780
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New mob?
Mar 14 2001 at 11:39 PM
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In today's patch they changed fear. By any chance does anyone know who or what the new triggar is. If they changed it?
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Post-Patch Wraith Spotted.
Mar 18 2001 at 5:25 AM
Anonymous
We were in hate Friday night - the night they suddenly announced they were going to take down Fear and reset it, and gave 15 minutes notice (bastards), and BEFORE the patch we distinctly heard a wrath of the shissar shouting, several times. He was up AT THE SAME TIME that Cazic Thule was up. Yes - AT THE SAME TIME. Needless to say, they took the server down, did a quick patch (he mysteriously had an AoE snare after this patch that he had not had before, as they repopped the entire zone) we never heard the Shissar again, and we stayed in Fear for hours and hours, killing everything again. He never showed.
/rude Verant.
D'nai
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The above sounds as if they performed a hotfix and repopped the zone, after which the Wraith was not present.
- https://web.archive.org/web/20010503...04395&go=older
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Dizzy
posted April 26, 2001 03:06 AM
Sorry I disagree Nesuril. Here are the hard facts so far:
After last server reset Shissar spawns 19 hours later, 4 hours after a complete clearing. She stayed up for nine hours( I checked every 3 hours) when a guild finally killed her. It has been now 39 hours since that killing and still no Shissar.
Well, I will collect more proof, considering another guild finally cleared the entire plane about 4 hours ago. Maybe its tied to draco or the killing of all the gorgons or some other group of mobs. Another possiblity that all the special mobs are on somekind of rotation. Broken golem (for wiz epic)was up for the last 12 or so hours, about 20 hours after Shissir died. Broken golem died tonite 6 hours ago.
LOL The only thing we know for sure at the moment is that it is random time for now and that Shissir is NOT up when server resets
Dizz
(update: Fright is now up, about 15 hours after broken golem died)
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Nesuril
posted April 26, 2001 04:17 PM
Well, I didn't really post any HARD numbers per say, but its clear that there's some random element here that is causing those numbers to NOT be possible to get. We have people saying that the Shissar is spawning 20 hoursish after a server downtime, yet I have seen it up around the 36 hour time frame as well. So it stays poped for a bit and possibly indefinitely until killed. The respawn? That is most likely random as well, but my theory is that its somewhere around the 36 hour time frame. May be longer, as I remember on time when I went looking in Fear, he wasn't poped over 4 days after the last killing. The second repop may be longer but since most servers don't stay up that long its hard to get solid facts on this -- also because a guild has to be clearing Fear at the time.
So, Dizzy is right. Shissar doesn't pop after the server comes up. Take your chances with the spawn time, but two numbers have been mentioned here 20 hours and 36ish hours, even 72 hours. The respawn? If anyone has solid information confirming a respawn after a kill or depop, please post it =)
Nesuril
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A Japanese "Mob Collection" notes the change in spawn method shortly after the patch:
- https://web.archive.org/web/20010513...ss/index.shtml
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[ Wraith of a Shissir ] : Cazic Killの後に popする Named gordon。Enc Epic Mob。patchにより Cazicの死後、即 popしなくなったらしい。
DDG Translate:
[ Wraith of a Shissir ] : Named gordon popping after Cazic Kill. Enc Epic Mob。 It seems that the patch stopped popping immediately after Cazic's death.
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- https://web.archive.org/web/20020715...&f=17&t=000663
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Blurem
posted November 26, 2001 03:20 PM
From what we've seen.
72hours +/- 24 hours
Can be despawned by Cazic spawning
Can despawn without Cazic spawning (happened this weekend to some ppl I know)
And all this fun in a zone you can't just place a "watcher" at to see if it's up. There is no comparision to Ragefire here. You can camp Ragefire with 2-3 people and clear FG's when yer bored. A couple guildies doing that.
I put a mail to eqmail@soe. I've been informed it's working as intended. Yup. If I don't like it I'm more than welcome to use /feedback to make suggestions.
Yeah, I've gotten my Shissar, but some friend haven't. This is absurd. There should not be such a random mob in such a screwed up place. Yeah. Rage is a bit random but he's not in a plane. Yeah, Pallys, Wiz, etc need a mob in fear. It's not this random. We have successfully timed it many times within an hour of the pop.
If you don't want to go through this crap or find it just as absurd and don't want to see it happening on other quests, do a /feedback and see if we can make something change.
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A very detailed account:
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Aaric
posted November 29, 2001 04:30 PM
I spent about 3-4 weeks in fear with a FD monk, and monitored the spawn, with log on. This was pretty much at the end of sep/beginning of oct 2001. I got my shissar and the 2 other guild enchanters needing him went to daoc, so I stopped monitoring his spawns.
Here are my observations:
Shortest spawn was < 6 hours from a server up - I logged in after work and he and CT were up. I saw repops at 6, 12, 18 hours, 24 hours, and 75, as well as none in 4+ days. It seems to be a 0-84ish hour spawn, similar to ragefire.
Shissar can spawn with CT up. Shissar can spawn without CT up.
Shissar shouts upon spawning, and then respawns every 2 hours thereafter (with about +/- 10 mins leeway) So the shissar shouts roughly ever 2 hours he is up, almost like clockwork.
I never saw the shissar despawn, without another guild coming in or the server going down. The longest I saw him up for though was 40ish hours (CT was up and people were busy in tov ).
Best place/way to camp for him is to put a FD monk in the safe area north of the firewall where the firewall gets closest to the zone wall, and put a gate potion on the monk to get out. There is only one roamer there (a glare lord every 2 or 4ish hours that paths along the outer zone wall) so you can port out from there. (I accidentally left my cleric bound there and ended up spending about 45 mins there during a tov wipeout...without a single aggro)
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Aaric
posted November 29, 2001 04:34 PM
Oh yeah - another thing. Shissir is a druid mob.
Druids can and will AE.
Solo pulling the shissir from the temple is risky because of this.
I had the shissir AE on a pull and aggro about 15 amy's and a glare.
AE from shissir = aggro temple mobs = dead shissir with no corpse.
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Zandakin
posted November 30, 2001 02:48 PM
Well, what do you know....I camped shissar all day today and it spawned ! We managed to get a team up there pretty sharpish and the beast died to our hands !
Thanks so much on this info. It's true and it works. I think I timed the shout at about 1hour 50mins and I saw 3 shouts before we took it down, so it was up at least 6 hours. Good luck on all your camping.
Zandakin
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In response to the 2003 patch announcing the fix for the Shissir faction issue (as seen in Sundawg's post):
- https://web.archive.org/web/20030520...ic.php?t=82929
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Serapho01
PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2003 4:39 am
i can't believe this !
after so many rants and cryes, they finally fix our epic.
3 years to fix a faction bug !!!!!
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As I understand it:
Spawn Mechanics
Prior to the Mar2001 patch, the Wraith was a triggered spawn. Contrary to the 2003 comment in Ele's post, it doesn't appear that the Wraith spawned at CT's corpse (the Black Reaver example) but instead at the Temple. It also despawned if not engaged (~10 minutes by one account) with the message, "I shall return!!"
After the patch, the Wraith became a timed spawn. The message remained, however, and was broadcast every ~2 hours the Wraith was alive, at which point the Wraith despawned and respawned. It appears as though the Wraith did not spawn with a server/zone reset. I'm unclear if CT spawning would spawn the Wraith or merely start its respawn timer.
Faction
From in-era comments we see that the Wraith was on a separate faction (indifferent to players) from the rest of PoF since its implementation (Sept2000), matching the out-of-era account in Sundawg's post. We also have an in-era comment to corroborate Sundawg's quotes about the Wraith getting killed after AoEing the Amygdalans. The Wraith getting killed by NPCs may not have been as big of an issue under the triggered spawn method. If CT had to be killed to trigger the Wraith, that means that the zone was already clear (or nearly so) or being kited, right?
Spawn Time
Speculation on spawn time is all over the place as we might expect, but Aaric's detailed account suggests a Ragefire-like timer. |
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