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Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is pure emotion, obfuscation, and hyperbole. Again, I don't care about your feelings or your friends. Your raid leader/officer cheated during a competitive raid. He broke the rules. You are defending him "because he is your friend". We are not in high school anymore. This is not a popularity contest. Server rules are not put in place to cater to how Gwence feels.

If an officer/tracker/raid leader uses ShowEQ during competitive raid encounters, their guild should suffer the same punishment. These are the rules and the precedent for this punishment has been set prior by Rogean. What I want to know is why is Rogean not abiding by his own rules and raid suspending your guild for a minimum of 2 weeks. Rogean the community demands an explanation for this obvious double standard.

If TMO officer accounts have been caught by this "hack sweep", then make that information public and inflict the same punishment on them. If you have direct evidence against TMO officers proving they cheat beyond an accusation, then provide that information. Perun admitted his guilt. It's beyond refute.

You're also assuming I'm defending TMO here, which is not the case. Based on the evidence that has been presented though, TMO officers are completely innocent and have been vindicated. TMO officers are playing by the rules. TR/IB is not. So why don't you give me a good reason why your guild shouldn't be raid suspended for at least 2 weeks beyond the flimsy excuse that they "are your friends".



This entire discussion between us has been about how Gwence feels. Not reality. Gwence doesn't abandon his pals, so his pals should be allowed to cheat is basically what you've been saying behind the insults. Because Gwence "feels" a certain way, we're all supposed to just suck it up and allow P99 to be a corrupted box filled with cheaters or something. All the time and effort people have put into their characters, which is considerable, is not as important as Gwence's feelings. The last time I checked, the server doesn't revolve around the way TR/IB membership feels.

Or does it Rogean? I would like a clarification please.

Rogean you know what you need to do. Do the right thing and take the appropriate action.

Your feelings are irrelavent Gwence. You're more concerned about the reputation of hackers and cheaters than you are of the overall health and integrity of the server. Every IB/TR member apparently shares your view which is a sad narrative on how low your guild has sunk. I've yet to see an IB/TR member speak out against your leadership's corruption. Not one.

As long as you stand to gain from your guildmates cheating, you excuse/rationalize it. This is why this server is the way it is. Children like you are running the asylum, and now apparently Rogean has just handed you the keys by allowing this to stand. Uthgaard was the only mechanism left in place that gave this server any credibility/impartiality.

It's sad to see how low the server has sunk. You have people openly defending and excusing cheaters on the forums. When P99 was first created, it was done so with promises that this behavior would not be tolerated under any circumstances. That it would be a fair and level playing field here, since most EMUs are corrupt boxes filled with hackers and cheaters. It's possible that they ran this secret hack sniffing under the impression they would find different results. What we've been witnessing is damage control to keep the server at the status quo potentially. I don't really see any other possible explanation for the blatant double standard and coddling TR/IB is being given here after their officers have been caught cheating.

If you're not going to ban these accounts permanently or wipe the server clean, than wipe those accounts clean, including their characters. Raid suspend the guilds whose officers were caught using exploits during competitive raids. This goes for all guilds whose officers have been found guilty. If an officer is caught again, disband the guild permanently. That's the only way this server will ever gain it's reputation back again beyond just another corrupted box.

As 9/24 approaches and is almost one year since its inception, I feel compelled to repost the rules.

Official Bronson/G13 Drinking Game

This game is meant to be played on a thread by thread basis. Convert points to fluid ounces or whatever metric is suitable for the alcohol you've got. I've had success with malt liquor.

1) Claim to have fraps of an event and fraps is never posted. - 3 points per instance.

2) Claim DA didn't perpetuate poopsocking. - 2 points (max 1 per post).

3) Claim you can't debate him because he's got "facts". - 3 points per instance (max 3 per post).

4) Claim to not care about other posters' statements, "give a fuck", have a "horse in this race", or any appropriate substitute, followed by subsequent posts in the same thread referencing statements or poster not cared about. - 1 point per subsequent post that references that player or anything they've said.

5) Use of bro/brew/bra/scro or any of its substitutes. - 1 point per instance.

6) Use of more than 500 words in a single post. - 5 points per instance.

7) Use of more than 1000 words in a single post. - 10 points per instance. (Add 5 for the 500 word bonus for a total of 15).

8) Use of more than 3000 words on a single thread. - 20 points.

9) Refer to individual as a creature (toad, frog, snake, lizard etc.), common vermin (eg. rat), or insect. - 3 points per instance

10) Refer to P99 as a "beer" or "bush" league MMO (any reasonable substitute that discredits p99, everquest, or mentions the age of the content is appropriate). - 3 pointss per instance.

11) Refer to event that took place at LEAST 28 days prior as he "remembers" it. - 5 seconds per instance (max 2 per post).

12) Any reference to a poster donning circus attire, having a circus profession, or having circus family member or guildmate. - 5 points per instance.

13) Told a poster to "shut the fuck up", "shut up", or "stop lying". - 2 points per instance (max 5 per post).

14) Assertion of respect for a particular individual or organization. - 1 points per instance

As always, add your own house rules.