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Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is not an adequate punishment. All of that exp and plat can be easily regained, especially when your guild is actively working to plvl you, and with a guild bank stock full of cash and items.

Your raid leader was caught using a 3rd party program to cheat. He has admitted he cheated openly during a raid against a competitive guild. If you do not distance yourself from this situation, by allowing him and other cheaters within your guild to re-app, you are making the statement that your guild accepts cheaters with open arms and will reward them.

If you want to cry in your cheerios and claim people have this opinion because they are vindictive than that's on you. You can try to mask your hypocrisy with arrogance and insults all you want. The facts are the facts. You can't troll your way around this one. IB/TR officer/raid leader was caught hacking/cheating and you accepted them back.

Previous guilds who had trackers/pullers/officers caught using SEQ were raid suspended for 2 weeks. The second time it was just a member that was caught, the guild suffered another 2 week raid suspension.

I propose that TR/IB suffer a 2 week raid suspension, since this can be considered your first infraction, and the player in question (beyond the numerous members that were caught cheating) was your raid leader/officer.

I have never cheated playing this game. There are a lot of players on this server with integrity that have never cheated, that have always assumed that other players played by the rules and it was an even playing field. By not taking appropriate action again your guild, the developers are making a statement. That they favor one guild over the other. EQUAL punishment is absolutely necessary to make this situation right.

Rogean you have always been reasonable. You know what I'm saying is true. If you're not going to perma ban these accounts, the proper and fair thing to do is at least hand out punishment that you yourself have previously set the precedent for, which is a 2 week raid suspension if an officer/raid leader is caught using a 3rd party program to cheat during competitive raids. Show the community they matter to you and do the right thing.

We haven't accepted him back but if there is some kind of vote I would definitely support his return and probably anyone elses. I dont turn my back on my friends or guildies because they make a bad decision.

The stigma all the "outed" people will have to deal with is probably the worst part of all of it. The people on the frontlines of it all (sadly) have there name out there for all to know now. IMO that's a worse punishment than a permaban. Leaving the game in the rear view window is the easy way out. Having to face people for the next 6 months or so.. that's tough.


oh and of course... much respect