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Old 12-01-2019, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Dreenk317 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
The aoe nerf wa not because of bards. Bards were a factor yes. But the overwhelming reason that aoe got nerfed was the chardok aoe groups. They would literally pull the ENTIRE zone. Not just most of it, or all the camps you want. But every mob. Then they would use aoe stuns and nukes to lock and burn them down. Charging people upwards of 3kpp per pull to sit in the exp group.

It made chardok unplayable, completely. I dont know of any bard that makes an ENTIRE zone unplayable, let alone one that has some really good drops and quest drops for multiple class epics.

I also dont know a single enchanter that can do this. Equating the current state of enchanter charm, broken or not, to something as massive as what lead up to the aoe nerf is just silly. I guarantee if they nerf chanters, a new meta for a dif class will just take its place, and you will be crying about them soon enough.
I made an analogy: analogies don't line up on every point exactly. If they did they'd be the same case, not analogies [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As I freely admitted, the CS demands were a major factor in the AoE nerf (and of course that isn't the case with Enchanters). While I disagree with you that Chardok was the problem (because Chardok didn't result in petitions: the AoE crowd just owned the zone and everyone happily paid them, whereas OT resulted in lots of petitions) ... it really doesn't matter which zone was "to blame".

The point is, P99 had a faithful recreation of EQ mechanics. There was not a single thing you could point to and say "that's not classic" about how the Bard songs worked, or anything else. But, The Overthere (and Chardok) were both very clearly not classic ... just as Enchanters aren't. (And also, Bards back then used the exact same "our mechanics are perfectly classic" argument used by Enchanters in this thread.)

Since Enchanters aren't causing CS headaches, that leaves us with only two options. The lame one: petition Enchanters a lot until the staff gets tired of the petitions [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] ... or the reasonable one, which is to say "Hey Nilbog, we want classic EQ, and as far as all of us remember, Enchanters weren't even in the top five, let alone the best DPS in the game!"

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Some piece of the "secret sauce" of classic EQ is still missing here, and as players who've gotten to enjoy R&N's amazing decade of emulator work, I feel we all have a duty to support them however we can to make this place as classic as possible ... and I see making some noise to get them to "see the forest" as part of that.
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