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billw134 01-21-2014 05:48 PM

Tradeskill caps and Velious Coldain Prayer Shawls
 
The 6th shawl shows a 208 trivial tailoring skill for a successful combine.

Can you only get one Tradeskill above 200 with the other tradeskills capping out at 200? With Velious can you get more than one Tradeskill above 200?

I only ask because my blacksmithing is above 200. With a 208 Tailoring trivial I guess I just risk the chance of a failed combine? All other Tradeskill trivials for the shawl quests are below 200.

Any insight is appreciated!

HeallunRumblebelly 01-21-2014 05:50 PM

Shawl 5 or 6 failed all the time. It's still very doable at like 150 skill after about 4-5 fails :P The one with the fucking wolf hide from WW.

Erati 01-21-2014 05:50 PM

you don't need 208 to successful combine that Shawl ( on live it took two attempts at like 161)

obviously the closer to 208 you are the higher chance you can succeed but for this part of the quest ALL of the items are very easy to gather again

its designed for it to not be a 'trivial' combine, however some of the more diligent EQers will make sure they don't have to gather the materials again

off the top of my head I think the hardest item to get for this combine is blood that always drops from the frost giant royals.... other than that its just some junk from Sirens Grotto and the like

Thulack 01-21-2014 06:10 PM

To answer your question though. No you cant get more then 1 above in velious. It was allowed with a AA in luclin or PoP though. But as stated you dont need 208 skill but still have a chance to fail.

August 01-21-2014 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billw134 (Post 1286094)
The 6th shawl shows a 208 trivial tailoring skill for a successful combine.

Can you only get one Tradeskill above 200 with the other tradeskills capping out at 200? With Velious can you get more than one Tradeskill above 200?

I only ask because my blacksmithing is above 200. With a 208 Tailoring trivial I guess I just risk the chance of a failed combine? All other Tradeskill trivials for the shawl quests are below 200.

Any insight is appreciated!

No tradeskill combine is 100% unless it's quest and marked as such.

200 Tailoring with a 208 trivial is going to be a 95% success rate, the same as if it was a lvl 1 combine. In fact, if it were 209 it would only be a 94.75% success rate - so it is just the right level for guaranteeing the 'best' chances of success.

People commonly confuse 'trivial' with 'guaranteed success'.

TRIVIAL refers to if you can get a skillup off of making the item. It is an independent variable in determining whether or not you a) succeed in making an item and b) get a skill up from your combine.

Success Rate is only determined by your current skill vs the trivial level

Skill-up Chance is determined by:

1) trivial
2) main stat
3) tradeskill difficulty

All tradeskill combines have a 5% base chance of success, regardless of trivial
All tradeskill combines have a 5% base chance of failure, regardless of trivial.

SUCCESS RATE = =MAX(5,MIN(SKILL_LEVEL-0.75*TRIVIAL+51.5,95))

or in this case

MAX(5,MIN(200-(208*.75)+51.5,95))
MAX(5,MIN(200-156+51.5,95))
MAX(5,MIN(95.5,95))
MAX(5,95)
95%

<insert the more you know jpeg here>

August 01-21-2014 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Erati (Post 1286098)
you don't need 208 to successful combine that Shawl ( on live it took two attempts at like 161)

obviously the closer to 208 you are the higher chance you can succeed but for this part of the quest ALL of the items are very easy to gather again

its designed for it to not be a 'trivial' combine, however some of the more diligent EQers will make sure they don't have to gather the materials again

off the top of my head I think the hardest item to get for this combine is blood that always drops from the frost giant royals.... other than that its just some junk from Sirens Grotto and the like

56.5% chance of success with 161 skill. Basically an 81% chance you'd get it with two combines.

Swish 01-21-2014 06:37 PM

Spoiler alert etc :p

baalzy 01-21-2014 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by August (Post 1286144)
56.5% chance of success with 161 skill. Basically an 81% chance you'd get it with two combines.

So farm 3 tries worth then go buy a lottery ticket if all 3 fail?

Swish 01-21-2014 08:22 PM

LMGTFY

August 01-21-2014 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swish (Post 1286303)

Heh, reminds me of my accountant friend in Vegas.

Sleepz: I'm down 200 bucks, but if I keep playing I'm bound to win because the average win percentage is 49% and I'm at 41%
August: But Sleepz, it's not like your past performance will affect the future. You will still on average only lose from now on
Sleepz: No dude if you look at it on average for the entire time I play I will come out to be about 49% win percentage so if I keep playing i HAVE to win more than I lose to come out
August: That's not how gambling works
Sleepz: Dude I have a masters in accounting, trust me.
August: Ok.


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