And for statements like this, just to be inflamatory, does that mean we should just ban you now?

This is not RnF.

Watch it.

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I actually left something out of that post, edited to reflect that.

Edit: Don't argue with Haynar.

You're gonna ban me for pointing out an inconsistency in the rules? No one was being inflammatory until this post.

I was only giving examples. The frenzied ghoul has 3 spawn points. Quillmane has 3 spawn points. You can sit and wait for either mob to appear. I don't get why one situation is campable and the other is FTE. That was my point/concern.

frenzied spawns indoors, on a timer, and does not wander


quillmane does none of those

Quillimane spawns on one of three non-random locations. If you're camping on those locations holding the spawn, then the roaming part doesn't matter.

I'm not sure how you could consider Quillimane un-campable.

I just don't see how any of this is relevant. If Quillmane is wandering around then sure, it's FTE. But Durubael said things can be campable in outdoor zones (ie. orc camps), and whether something has a set timer or not shouldn't matter. Is Stormfeather in Velious really going to be FTE? That's going to be a total mess, with 50 people there just jav spamming a level 30 mob.

The reason I raise concern is that posts like these just fuel young rule lawyers who exist only to misinterpret server rules to their advantage. I can't tell you how many times someone has told me that they would petition me because I stepped away from my PC for a minute to go to the bathroom, misquoting the AFK camping rule. I will guarantee you that at least one player will be incentivized to go squat on someone else's Quillmane spawn and attempt to FTE it despite the efforts of others because this post was made.

Another thing to consider is that Quillmane is a triggered spawn. It should belong to the person(s) that triggered it. Imagine if a group just FTE'ed some poor Shaman's Rak`Ashiir after he was spawned with the final epic turn in. And hey, City of Mist is outdoors too...

its a huge dick move, but my understanding is it not campable

so whoever is sitting on the spawn point automatically gets the 'camp' if he spawns? shouldnt you only get it if your group killed the mob that spawned him? what if some random guy was the one that actually killed the calf that spawned him? and a group of 4 or 5 automatically has more right to the camp than the single or duo there before them?

This is why you need to consider who benefits from a particular rule. If a rule serves to benefit the jerks and the trolls on the server, and negatively affects normal players who are just trying to get loot and advance, it's probably a bad rule.

No one is making this argument, but 1 or 2 people can't fully camp Quillmane. If one person is just spawning Quillmanes, then Quillmane would begin to wander and should probably be considered FTE. If 1 person is spawning Quillmanes and 1 person is sitting on 1/3 of the camps, then they would effectively be camping that one spawn point and the other 2 would be FFA (as Quillmane would wander). If you have 1+ people spawning Quillmanes, and 1 person on each of the 3 spawn points, they should all be considered camped as long as they're being engaged immediately as they spawn.

I think this should all pretty much be common sense.

Byrjun I don't see the controversy, Derubael seems to have covered that exact case.

Haynar could you please clarify what was so inflammatory about his post? I'm not arguing, I'm seriously asking because I don't want to get banned, and I couldn't see anything unreasonable, disrespectful, or otherwise in violation of the server rules in that post. We are allowed to have disagreeing opinions outside of RnF right?