Pretty sure an enchanter split OP's mom.

OP is thinking way too hard about something that will never happen.

Stop pretending that using the animation instead of a charm is a minor difference in dps that is made up for by the additional safety. It's like dealing ten times less damage.

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Maybe tighten up the graphics a little bit

I will push away from the dinner table. This min/max video game nonsense has turned my stomach.

I dont know that I would go so far as to say they are the only CC. On my shaman slowing the adds, then pulling them away and rooting them can often be more stable and effective CC than even mezing.

Nobody said the DPS difference is minor. It's hardly 10x less though. The best Animation pet quads for 56 damage a hit and can be max hasted without any downside. You ain't charming things that quad for 560, much less max hasting a charm pet like that. The typical charm pet is hitting for like 150, which is a bit less than 3x more damage. That's still a wide gap, but the DPS of the Animation is quite significant and makes a big difference over not using a pet at all.

Animation pet, Haste, Slow, and Root is already adding more to the majority of groups than any other single class can. Think about that for a moment.

Ok agreed, Bards/Enchanters aren't the only CCers. But they're the only classes many people will accept for that role in a group. Try doing Seb King without either one for instance, and telling people "I'm a Shaman, I've got root, we'll be fine".

I'm not saying it's impossible, but what might be harder than actually doing it is just convincing people to do it without an "official CCer class" (heck, I got pushback just for having a Bard instead of an Enchanter once).

Groups need (or at least think they need) two core roles, and then depending on the camp possibly up to three others (and then as much DPS as they can get for the rest). They need a healer and a tank, and then possibly also a puller, slower, and/or CCer.

Whenever you want to do a camp that needs a role, and you don't have it, no one gets to play. So all I'm saying is, if you take away the ability for half the Enchanters out there to fulfill a role, people aren't going to get to play a lot of those camps .

But again, I'd totally be in favor with Enchanters getting a way to fulfill that role without mez. Give them a 95% slow that turns into a 50% haste the moment anyone attacks the mob, for instance (but can easily be dispelled by the Enchanter if they do so on purpose while it's still a slow). You thought mez breaks were bad? ;)

Root is a 100% slow as long as nobody hits the target (for summoning level mobs) or stands next to it. This isn't a challenging mechanic to execute. You don't need mesmerize to do Seb King (or even Root - it can be FD pulled). Mesmerize is something that's most impactful against groups of damage-dealing casters, which isn't a common thing in the game. There's usually just 1 powerful caster in a given aggro area, which you just pull and kill first while rooting everything else.

Right, I don't disagree with most of that. You don't need a CCer for many camps in the game.

But you do for some, and then as a compounding factor there's people's expectations of what you need. It doesn't matter how certain you are that you can do camp X without role Y: if that camp requires role Z, and the only Z player won't join without a Y, it amounts to X requiring Y. Between the two (need CC and think they need CC), there's enough camps that I'd still want more CCers, not fewer.

And again they don't have to be mezzers. My slow/haste idea was dumb (I don't even play an Enchanter), but I'm sure there are other ways besides mez to disable casters temporarily that a creative person could imagine.