I don't quite understand what you're saying, Armani. Perhaps you could better explain what you mean and how it relates to this issue please.

Also as an officer in FE you really should know better - never end a sentence with a preposition unless it's in RnF.

Keep things respectful man. How can you not understand what I'm saying lol it's clear as day.

I don't want to create an alt guild - that's pretty cheesy. I think that if you raid together more than you don't (discounting repops) that you should be considered a single entity for the repops.

A lighthearted half-quote from Beavis and Butthead Do America regarding your crap grammar is hardly disrespectful!

Two server repops have occurred. We raided apart on the first one, and joint on the second one (thus draco and vox went to Class R guilds). 50% so far. The claims made above are great exaggerations regarding us always raiding apart on server repops.

We play by the rules and do what we have to do to compete in the bracket we chose to play in. This is a compliment to TMO because they have a very capable and large guild that required us to join forces to compete. During most raids our combined raid force in numbers is about equal to TMO's during normal respawns.

I've seen a number of newer guilds pop up recently and there has been growth in the guild that would attract the sort of people who would put their alt in another guild just for the sake of loot.

alts are welcome to join but

its gonna b hard for them to earn dkp/attend raids 24/7, constantly playing, gearing leveling characters for two dif factions and groups of people

i would say you would need practically no life to pull this off successfully as you would most likely keep it secret that ur also in a big C guild

its a good thing our server doesnt have too many no-lifers to pull off such feats!

Problem #1: Alts from Elite guilds infiltrate Casual guilds.

if casual guilds don't want alts from top guilds in their ranks then it is on the casual guilds to create/implement policies to prevent it. if they don't want alts from top guilds in their ranks to get much/any loot then it is up to them to create/implement policies to prevent it.

what people are hinting at is that the GMs should create a system that prevents you from guilding multiple chars in several guilds. this isn't up to the GMs.

Problem #2: Elite guilds create alt guilds solely for the purpose of skirting lock out timers

This is something that GMs need to monitor and make clear policies on what is appropriate.

You've got it backwards, Getsome. I haven't claimed you always raid independently for the repops, but if you do at all, the proportion is irrelevant. I did however claim that you usually raid together when it isn't a repop; this is what merits a possible change.

I don't know why you people are even talking about people joining existing guilds on alts to get around this rule. This is not what was even suggested and that much should be abundantly clear by now considering how little sense it makes in this discussion. The issue here is people incorporating a guild and filling it with existing guildmates, raiding nearly always with a mix of the guilds, and then reserving the right to be considered two separate entities when it comes to full repops.

I think that if you raid together more than you don't that you should be considered a single entity for the full repops. It's only fair. And it avoids cheesiness.

Because FE and IB choose to raid together during normal spawns has zero impact on the community. There is not 'more' loot because of this. It's spread across more people. If other guilds want to leave the 'restrictions' of class R and raid together on C spawns go for it. Or if R guilds wanna build an 'alliance/agreement' for FFA spawns why not? If it increases your chances then go for it! Why do you think FE/IB raid together in the first place? To increase their chances of victory against TMO.

But if you are in either of these guilds, or even know people in them, you know they are two entirely separate guilds, that like Clark said, have different philosophy at the moment. Alts are not even in the equation here.

...Still so nit picky a week in. Just enjoy yourself and follow the rules. :)