Black Sock Down: Helicopter<FE> crashes and burns cheating for FTE

[Tiggles]

Our resident White Knight Nizzler catches Helicopter afk spamming his wiz stick at VS and records a 9+ minute spam log when he trades with the AFK wizard.

GMs show up and justice is served.

Helicopter has tagged FTE on the previous VS and Noble and the loot from these mobs is being returned to its rightful home in TMO.

Video below

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[Yapas]

Our resident White Knight Nizzler catches Helicopter afk spamming his wiz stick at VS and records a 9+ minute spam log when he trades with the AFK wizard.

GMs show up and justice is served.

Helicopter has tagged FTE on the previous VS and Noble and the loot from these mobs is being returned to its rightful home in TMO.

Video below

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<3

[Raden]

This just raises more questions than it answers. How deep does this go? Did FE leadership know this was happening? If so how many others are doing under the leadership of FE?

[Alarti0001]

This just raises more questions than it answers. How deep does this go? Did FE leadership know this was happening? If so how many others are doing under the leadership of FE?

All

[Halfelfbard]

Lol, cheating scum.

[Alarti0001]

Quick Visceral bump all the other posts your guild needs you more than ever.

On a side note. Tmo's cheating policy is removal from guild. What is FE's? Will you keep your cheating scum?

[MaksimMazor]

Haha!

_______________________
Gabobrik Jenantik - Assassin
Jeed Jeeb - Illusionist
< The Mystical Order >

[Tanthallas]

So pathetic.

First - he is getting a 3 day suspension, not a ban, that will most likely be removed early because the only person available was a guide, not a GM.

Second - The reason he is getting a suspension, and not a ban, is because he was not cheating. He had his buttons duck taped down while semi afk so he did not have to keep jamming them repeatedly.

Third - Helicopter joined FE about 3 days ago. You are not getting any loot back from FE, because he has never got a FTE in FE....

Keep trying.

[falkun]

Where's the good stuff. All I see is heli leaving the zone/game. Where's the 9 min fraps? If so, GJ on TMO stopping the autokeyer.

[Autotune]

Best. Post. In. Over. A. Year!

[falkun]

Best. Post. In. Over. A. Year!

Totally false. Alarti's dead silence regarding Sev kiting is more telling. O wait, he said following the East zone wall is easier than following the plateau zone wall. LOL

[Alarti0001]

So pathetic.

First - he is getting a 3 day suspension, not a ban, that will most likely be removed early because the only person available was a guide, not a GM.

Second - The reason he is getting a suspension, and not a ban, is because he was not cheating. He had his buttons duck taped down while semi afk so he did not have to keep jamming them repeatedly.

Third - Helicopter joined FE about 3 days ago. You are not getting any loot back from FE, because he has never got a FTE in FE....

Keep trying.

LOL ....FE spinning the Hellicopter.

Duct tape... spam LOLOLZ.

[Autotune]

Totally false. Alarti's dead silence regarding Sev kiting is more telling. O wait, he said following the East zone wall is easier than following the plateau zone wall. LOL

That thread is retarded and you should feel bad for nominating it.

[Alarti0001]

Totally false. Alarti's dead silence regarding Sev kiting is more telling. O wait, he said following the East zone wall is easier than following the plateau zone wall. LOL

No you missed my claim where i said an FE puller brought it east and died. So it was picked up on the east/middle of zone.

[falkun]

That thread is retarded and you should feel bad for nominating it.

Of course you'd think that, its one of the worst TMO backfires in the cesspool that is RNF that TMO's troll-force runs.

[Halfelfbard]

"He had his buttons duck taped down" <- bullshit lie which does nothing in EQ w/o a auto program.

Cheating Scum.

[Alarti0001]

That thread is retarded and you should feel bad for nominating it.

BDA left him for PEQ he is obviously apping to FE soon.

[MaksimMazor]

FE member confirmed cheating.

_______________________
Gabobrik Jenantik - Assassin
Jeed Jeeb - Illusionist
< The Mystical Order >

[Tiggles]

Where's the good stuff. All I see is heli leaving the zone/game. Where's the 9 min fraps? If so, GJ on TMO stopping the autokeyer.

Trying to get Nizzler to post the screenshots but he's trying to catch more FE cheating and to claim the 100k FTE bounty.


It was enough info for the GMs to ban Helicopter though, with GM approval

[Autotune]

Of course you'd think that, its one of the worst TMO backfires in the cesspool that is RNF that TMO's troll-force runs.

is this what you really think or are you just pretending to be dumb?

[Ele]

"He had his buttons duck taped down" <- bullshit lie which does nothing in EQ w/o a auto program.

Cheating Scum.

Maybe he attached a vibrator to it.

[Alarti0001]

is this what you really think or are you just pretending to be dumb?

He's not pretending.

[Autotune]

So pathetic.

First - he is getting a 3 day suspension, not a ban, that will most likely be removed early because the only person available was a guide, not a GM.

Second - The reason he is getting a suspension, and not a ban, is because he was not cheating. He had his buttons duck taped down while semi afk so he did not have to keep jamming them repeatedly.

Third - Helicopter joined FE about 3 days ago. You are not getting any loot back from FE, because he has never got a FTE in FE....

Keep trying.

[Yapas]

Maybe he attached a vibrator to it.

Lmao

[falkun]

No you missed my claim where i said an FE puller brought it east and died. So it was picked up on the east/middle of zone.

From Supremecy's Youtube:
Tasslehoff: Who got FTE?
Ploktor: i might
Ploktor: He charmed me for a while and I was attack tmo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD90aUmv8Is

So either you had FTE, or you were close enough behind Plok that you had the first non-charmed pull (which is considered FTE on this server). Your argument is invalid.

[Halfelfbard]

If someone in TMO did this they would b LFG(Looking For Guild)

[Tanthallas]

Ive known Helicopter for a while, and he is not one to cheat.

He straight up admitted to the GM that he was AFK. If this was cheating, it would be a much more severe punishment than a 3 day suspension that will probably be lifted.

Love you guys

[Alarti0001]

From Supremecy's Youtube:
Tasslehoff: Who got FTE?
Ploktor: i might
Ploktor: He charmed me for a while and I was attack tmo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD90aUmv8Is

So either you had FTE, or you were close enough behind Plok that you had the first non-charmed pull (which is considered FTE on this server). Your argument is invalid.

Or information said on vent isnt accurate.... You know like normal. Or see my sig. Awesome Train Thanks TMO.

[uygi]

Cool fraps of me in tells with Alovia. Then Alovia ports out to DL and summons me to her so I can demonstrate my key bindings.

Oh, and Helicopter has never even tried to get FTE on Noble, and only once on VS. Why TMO chose several months ago, to tag my VS pull and kill it when it was obviously my pull, is beyond me and you'd have to ask them what they were thinking.

[Bardalicious]

Our resident White Knight Nizzler catches Helicopter afk spamming his wiz stick at VS and records a 9+ minute spam log when he trades with the AFK wizard.

GMs show up and justice is served.

Helicopter has tagged FTE on the previous VS and Noble and the loot from these mobs is being returned to its rightful home in TMO.

Video below


A 9 minute video recorded of incriminating evidence, yet you chose to post the most fucking idiotic 1 minute 30 seconds of absolutely nothing but a GM standing by some AFK guy.

[Autotune]

Ive known Helicopter for a while, and he is not one to cheat.

He straight up admitted to the GM that he was AFK. If this was cheating, it would be a much more severe punishment than a 3 day suspension that will probably be lifted.

Love you guys

If you believe someone when they tell you they duck taped their keys down to spam for FTE...

idk man...

like...

all rezpect is gone.

[this user was banned]

video sucked

[Loly Taa]

[QUOTE=Tanthallas;864358]Second - The reason he is getting a suspension, and not a ban, is because he was not cheating. He had his buttons duck taped down while semi afk so he did not have to keep jamming them repeatedly.
/QUOTE]

Okay, lets all do an experiment.

Lets go ingame, put an instaclicky on your hotbar and hold down that key.

What happens? The instaclicky fires once, one time, and will not fire again until you key-up and then key-down again.


Nice try on the spin, but he was cheating, you can't "duck tape" buttons down to spam an instaclicky. It is just not possible without hacks. Sorry.

[Tecmos Deception]

I know this is EQ, but that keyboard turning in the video still make me :(

[Tecmos Deception]

*made

fuck you R&F

[Alarti0001]

A 9 minute video recorded of incriminating evidence, yet you chose to post the most fucking idiotic 1 minute 30 seconds of absolutely nothing but a GM standing by some AFK guy.

You didnt see the wiz staff spam?

[quido]

I tried duct taping my key but it wouldn't repeat keystrokes :confused: :confused: :confused:

[Ele]

A 9 minute video recorded of incriminating evidence, yet you chose to post the most fucking idiotic 1 minute 30 seconds of absolutely nothing but a GM standing by some AFK guy.

He said 9 minutes of spam recorded. He didn't say anything about a video.

[Ele]

I tried duct taping my key but it wouldn't repeat keystrokes :confused: :confused: :confused:

you need Duck(TM) brand duct tape

[Raden]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/35440623.jpg

[Yapas]

[QUOTE=Tanthallas;864358]Second - The reason he is getting a suspension, and not a ban, is because he was not cheating. He had his buttons duck taped down while semi afk so he did not have to keep jamming them repeatedly.
/QUOTE]

Okay, lets all do an experiment.

Lets go ingame, put an instaclicky on your hotbar and hold down that key.

What happens? The instaclicky fires once, one time, and will not fire again until you key-up and then key-down again.


Nice try on the spin, but he was cheating, you can't "duck tape" buttons down to spam an instaclicky. It is just not possible without hacks. Sorry.


Gratz FE ! ready to cheat for a FTE oh god :(

[quido]

you need Duck(TM) brand duct tape

fuuuuck

too expensive, I quit EQ

[Tiggles]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6wpvksesl1rtm5yno1_500.jpg

FE "fixing" the raid scene

[Tanthallas]

I tried duct taping my key but it wouldn't repeat keystrokes :confused: :confused: :confused:

get a keyboard made after the year 1999

[quido]

What you suggest is cheating!!

I am nominating Helicopter for a "the MacGyver" title.

[Alarti0001]

get a keyboard made after the year 1999

You mean a programmable one?

[Loly Taa]

get a keyboard made after the year 1999

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, are you fucking kidding me ?

You truly do have no idea what you're talking about, do you?

[Tiggles]

I own a Razer Mechanical Keyboard and a old G15 and neither of those can be duck taped down.

Both of those have autofire software.


Don't spin this guys just accept your all just cheating failures and all the loot you have EVER gotten is because of FTE snipes using cheats

[Autotune]

This is fun.

[Tiggles]

I know this is EQ, but that keyboard turning in the video still make me :(

I was trying to keep them in frame!

[Tanthallas]

No.

Ive seen how you live...and seeing how the only way to possibly remedy the situation is to burn down that shit hole where you eat/sleep/fap/EQ in, I would hope you picked up some classy new things.

Don't do it for me, do it for your liver.

[uygi]

I am nominating Helicopter for a "the MacGyver" title.

Once again, Jeremy and I see eye to eye. Please transmit the appropriate packets to assign this title. Thanks.

[Alarti0001]

No.

Ive seen how you live...and seeing how the only way to possibly remedy the situation is to burn down that shit hole where you eat/sleep/fap/EQ in, I would hope you picked up some classy new things.

Don't do it for me, do it for your liver.

Like a programmable keyboard?

[Kinosh]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m08celcrnT1r3isxuo1_500.gif

Or

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbpoqlUnUv1rt283wo1_250.gif

[Jaxsz]

[QUOTE=Tanthallas;864358]Second - The reason he is getting a suspension, and not a ban, is because he was not cheating. He had his buttons duck taped down while semi afk so he did not have to keep jamming them repeatedly.
/QUOTE]

Okay, lets all do an experiment.

Lets go ingame, put an instaclicky on your hotbar and hold down that key.

What happens? The instaclicky fires once, one time, and will not fire again until you key-up and then key-down again.


Nice try on the spin, but he was cheating, you can't "duck tape" buttons down to spam an instaclicky. It is just not possible without hacks. Sorry.

Well, many keyboards actually let you "autofire" basically just through the keyboard without any external programs.

[Autotune]

http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/dasha11/dasha111104/dasha11110400078/9398756-close-up-of-a-man-s-hand-with-duct-tape-typing-at-a-computer-keyboard.jpg

[Raden]

get a keyboard made after the year 1999

Tried it out did not go as planned.

http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/8261/photo20t.jpg

Does FE have a post on their site on how to do it?

[Alarti0001]

Tried it out did not go as planned.

http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/8261/photo20t.jpg

Does FE have a post on their site on how to do it?

LOL wow awesome

[Tiggles]

Picture of Helicopter at VS spawn room

http://mtv-tv.mtvnimages.com/Tentpoles/2011-vma-awards/flipbooks/barely-there/53507157_Brandon_Novak.jpg?width=368

[Autotune]

http://www.squeakywheelseeksgrease.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/broke-ass-keyboard.jpg

FE hacks from google images. Wonder if this was posted on their member forums!?

[Loly Taa]

No.

Ive seen how you live...and seeing how the only way to possibly remedy the situation is to burn down that shit hole where you eat/sleep/fap/EQ in, I would hope you picked up some classy new things.

Don't do it for me, do it for your liver.

Keep trying to deflect the conversation by bringing up personal things about me that I was more than happy to share with you all.


I know it must hurt to have your guildmates blatantly caught cheating and in your attempt to deflect, make yourself look like one of the most ignorant players on Project 1999, but you're going to have to come to terms with the fact that you either condone the actions of your mass-invited guild or that you're just absolutely unable to control all of the terrible players it contains.

So which is it?

[Autotune]

http://l.autohotkey.net/docs/images/AutoHotkey_logo.gif

nooooo.....


http://bbs.comefromchina.com/attachments/forum5/280061d1344032794-duck_tape_logo.jpg

[Halfelfbard]

Cheating Scum..

[Tanthallas]

Using a programmable keyboard to map a bind from the standard set of keys on a keyboard to the extra macro keys whichever fancy portion the keyboard puts them on is not against the rules.

Now, if your keyboard allows you to hold down a button - which many modern ones do, you should check them out - instead of jamming it, wtf is the issue exactly?

Seeing as it is pretty impossible to tape down a key on the normal set of keys (try getting any letter key to stay down, for example), but possible to tape down the keys that are set for macros, there is nothing strange at all going on here. The difference is between holding the key down with your finger or having it held down for you.

There is nothing devious about this whatsoever. No rules were broken. No macro loops created. There is no ruling on this anywhere to my knowledge that makes this against the rules.

Thanks kids.

[Tanthallas]

Picture of Helicopter at VS spawn room

http://mtv-tv.mtvnimages.com/Tentpoles/2011-vma-awards/flipbooks/barely-there/53507157_Brandon_Novak.jpg?width=368

This was good.

[Kinosh]

NIce Post ! +100 dpk

http://awesomegifs.com/wp-content/uploads/jon-stewart-colbert-bravo.gif

[Tanthallas]

NEW RULE TO APPEASE TMO:

MUST JAM KEYS ON KEYBOARD AT ALL TIMES; CANNOT HOLD THEM DOWN OR IS CHEATING.

[Autotune]

NEW RULE TO APPEASE TMO:

MUST JAM KEYS ON KEYBOARD AT ALL TIMES; CANNOT HOLD THEM DOWN OR IS CHEATING.

FE gives ducks, confirmed.

[Tiggles]

http://i.imgur.com/CFkWEyO.jpg (http://imgur.com/CFkWEyO)

[Alarti0001]

NEW RULE TO APPEASE TMO:

MUST JAM KEYS ON KEYBOARD AT ALL TIMES; CANNOT HOLD THEM DOWN OR IS CHEATING.

FE spinning sooooooo hard. Program or not he admitted to duct tape. He wasnt physically there holding the key it amounts to a low-tech bot. I.E. cheating.

[Loly Taa]

The difference is between holding the key down with your finger or having it held down for you.


Ahh but this points out just how flawed your argument really is.


Sure I can hold down a key here and have it repeat, lets try it now..

"44444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444 44444444444"

So we've established that holding 4 down in Google Chrome will auto-repeat the 4 key if it is held down.

However, if you go into Everquest and attempt to hold the 4 key down to activate a keyboard macro, it will not repeat!?

Oh my, why would this be?

Well, it's quite simple really- Everquest was written differently than Google Chrome was! In fact, Everquest waits for the operating system to send it a "KEY UP" event for the number 4 before it will reset the button and allow the macro (or item on the hotbar) to fire again!

You see, the developers at Verant/Sony very specifically wrote the client so that you couldn't just hold down a macro button to repeat the action. They intended (and forced through code) for hotbar items to be tapped, not held down and repeated.

What Helicopter was doing was using some sort of third party utility- be it hardware or software. That specifically faked the button being tapped instead of being held down, because as I established above. The Everquest client was not written in a manner that allows you to hold down a key on your keyboard and repeat a hotbar action.

Is this clear to you now? Or are you just going to start spewing again about things you know nothing about?

[Godefroi]

More TMO Spin please, it's entertaining :D

[Autotune]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me1iw3hl2W1qixh2d.gif

[Tanthallas]

Logitech G510.

Instead of the bottle of Jack, you should pick one of those up at the store next time and try it friend.

[Autotune]

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[Zeelot]

If your character is doing something, and you're not around to answer, you may find yourself in some precarious situation when you return.

Originally Posted by Rogean
Programs that parse the log file are fine, as long as they do not do any type of automatic control/response/manipulation/macro on your character in place of manual control.

[Tanthallas]

FE spinning sooooooo hard. Program or not he admitted to duct tape. He wasnt physically there holding the key it amounts to a low-tech bot. I.E. cheating.

I mean I can see it being a grey area, but I think the only real problem is AFKing while utilizing it. Otherwise, I see no issue with holding the key to spam IF THERE IS NO THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE BEING USED TO DO SO as opposed to jamming the key.

Is the circle jerk done yet?

[Godefroi]

you got an FE member that was spamming his button suspended for 3 days.

Congratz TMO, clearly spending more time white knighting or pointless stuff rather on trying to out mobilizing us which you fail at lol :D

[Llaile]

I mean I can see it being a grey area, but I think the only real problem is AFKing while utilizing it. Otherwise, I see no issue with holding the key to spam IF THERE IS NO THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE BEING USED TO DO SO as opposed to jamming the key.

Is the circle jerk done yet?

Fuck you're so wrong.

[Tiggles]

Logitech G510.

Instead of the bottle of Jack, you should pick one of those up at the store next time and try it friend.

I own a g510 and i'm in game right now and it will not let me spam my goblin earring when I hold down the button.

Now if i go to the logitech website and download the macro software for the g510 I can set it to "toggle repeat" when a MACRO key is is held down. Keep in mind you can bind any key but there are 15 specific macro keys on the side that you can program to repeat when pressed.

That is using a 3rd party program that is cheating, don't spin it, your guild got caught accept it.

[Godefroi]

Duck tape is a program ?

ah well ok :P

[Happyfeet]

The handyman's secret weapon. The Canadians agree.

[AenarieFenninRo]

However, if you go into Everquest and attempt to hold the 4 key down to activate a keyboard macro, it will not repeat!?

Oh my, why would this be?

Well, it's quite simple really- Everquest was written differently than Google Chrome was! In fact, Everquest waits for the operating system to send it a "KEY UP" event for the number 4 before it will reset the button and allow the macro (or item on the hotbar) to fire again!

You see, the developers at Verant/Sony very specifically wrote the client so that you couldn't just hold down a macro button to repeat the action. They intended (and forced through code) for hotbar items to be tapped, not held down and repeated.



Per Rogean from this post - http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=614444&postcount=2
Third Party Tools, Exploiting
We do not tolerate cheating on Project 1999. Any program that provides an unintended advantage or gleams access to information not otherwise available is very strictly prohibited.

Do not make the mistake that you may get away with it because you used it on Live Everquest. We put much more effort into the detection of these utilities than SOE ever did. You will be caught and banned if you use them.

The same holds true for exploiting. If you have the slightest doubt that what you are doing may not be intended, please cease immediately and seek clarification from the server staff. Failure to do so and discovery of your actions will lead to disciplinary action.

Seems straight forward enough to me :)

[Tanthallas]

If I am wrong, and it is deemed something that should not be used, I will make sure that people dont use it to the best of my ability...

To me it just seemed like an arbitrary distinction between being able to have a key held down as opposed to having to jam it repeatedly. Helicopter did not lie to the GMs and even told them he was AFKing off and on while using the macro buttons.

You guys are reaching for something that isnt there.

[Loly Taa]

Duck tape is a program ?

ah well ok :P

I just looked up the Logitech G510, it's autofire macros are not keyboard based. They're software based.

You still can't duct tape the keys down on one to achieve the same effect.

[Tiggles]

I just looked up the Logitech G510, it's autofire macros are not keyboard based. They're software based.

You still can't duct tape the keys down on one to achieve the same effect.

confirmed

[Llaile]

The problem is you think that holding down a key is acceptable. We might as well just turn the auto random aggro FTE back on.

[Enygma]

Using a programmable keyboard to map a bind from the standard set of keys on a keyboard to the extra macro keys whichever fancy portion the keyboard puts them on is not against the rules.

Now, if your keyboard allows you to hold down a button - which many modern ones do, you should check them out - instead of jamming it, wtf is the issue exactly?

Seeing as it is pretty impossible to tape down a key on the normal set of keys (try getting any letter key to stay down, for example), but possible to tape down the keys that are set for macros, there is nothing strange at all going on here. The difference is between holding the key down with your finger or having it held down for you.

There is nothing devious about this whatsoever. No rules were broken. No macro loops created. There is no ruling on this anywhere to my knowledge that makes this against the rules.

Thanks kids.


FE Supports cheating using autofire - GM's hold them accountable.

/hug Project 1999 - how many more FE will go down with this ship?

[Tanthallas]

Per Rogean from this post - http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=614444&postcount=2
Third Party Tools, Exploiting
We do not tolerate cheating on Project 1999. Any program that provides an unintended advantage or gleams access to information not otherwise available is very strictly prohibited.

Do not make the mistake that you may get away with it because you used it on Live Everquest. We put much more effort into the detection of these utilities than SOE ever did. You will be caught and banned if you use them.

The same holds true for exploiting. If you have the slightest doubt that what you are doing may not be intended, please cease immediately and seek clarification from the server staff. Failure to do so and discovery of your actions will lead to disciplinary action.

Seems straight forward enough to me :)

Sorry, this is not straight forward.

This leaves it up to the judgment of the individual. If I have my roommate sit and jam a button when i take a shower as opposed to having some material thing hold down the button, what is the fucking difference? Is my roommate an unfair advantage?

...

[Enygma]

Third - Helicopter joined FE about 3 days ago. You are not getting any loot back from FE, because he has never got a FTE in FE....

Keep trying.

Myuharin ... one of the worst SK's ever on the server... just joined your guild about 3 days ago and now got caught using autofire?

But he got BDA a bunch of FTE on noble/vs! RUH ROH!

[Masakizt]

TMO clutching at straws as usual..

Fair enough the guy was afk.. but to label FE cheaters... pathetic

[Tanthallas]

The problem is you think that holding down a key is acceptable. We might as well just turn the auto random aggro FTE back on.

This makes sense.

But then again, all I see the auto random aggro changing is that we have to sit and jam keys. It is still just as random....

[AenarieFenninRo]

Sorry, this is not straight forward.

This leaves it up to the judgment of the individual. If I have my roommate sit and jam a button when i take a shower as opposed to having some material thing hold down the button, what is the fucking difference? Is my roommate an unfair advantage?

...

you must have missed the "if you have the slightest doubt part"

Thats ok, we forgive you.

[Alarti0001]

you got an FE member that was spamming his button suspended for 3 days.

Congratz TMO, clearly spending more time white knighting or pointless stuff rather on trying to out mobilizing us which you fail at lol :D

Cheating is pointless now? I guess we won't see anymore OMG soandso is banned for cheatin threads from you anytime soon?

[Zade]

OP video should have been playing:

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[Tiggles]

Myuharin ... one of the worst SK's ever on the server... just joined your guild about 3 days ago and now got caught using autofire?

But he got BDA a bunch of FTE on noble/vs! RUH ROH!

The question remains?

Will he remain tagged FE?

You have to realize he did not use Tape by now?

[Godefroi]

TMO clutching at straws as usual..

Fair enough the guy was afk.. but to label FE cheaters... pathetic

They gotta derail the fact that they get outmobilized :p

[Loly Taa]

This makes sense.

But then again, all I see the auto random aggro changing is that we have to sit and jam keys. It is still just as random....

Rogean changed how spawn aggro worked because he didn't want AFK people getting FTE. Are you really this fucking dumb?

[Godefroi]

The question remains?

Will he remain tagged FE?

You have to realize he did not use Tape by now?

We are ok with members using tape, GMs are not, no one will ever use duck tape again, I promise you mobidick <3

[fullmetalcoxman]

new raid gear?

http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz83/FullMetalCoxman/drinking-bird-works-o.gif

[Alarti0001]

TMO clutching at straws as usual..

Fair enough the guy was afk.. but to label FE cheaters... pathetic

FE cheats... therefore cheater. How is this hard? Instead of gkicking your cheaters like TMO does... you defend them. Conclusion: FE harbors cheaters.

[Itap]

wtf is duck tape

[Autotune]

Any program that provides an unintended advantage is very strictly prohibited.

You will be caught and banned if you use them.

The same holds true for exploiting. If you have the slightest doubt that what you are doing may not be intended, please cease immediately and seek clarification from the server staff. Failure to do so and discovery of your actions will lead to disciplinary action.



Hmmmm... I'm sensing lots of gray here....

what color is ducktape again?

[kenzar]

wtf is duck tape

a brand of duct tape

[Godefroi]

Cheating is pointless now? I guess we won't see anymore OMG soandso is banned for cheatin threads from you anytime soon?

Yes you will lol, Thebest was a TMO wiz banned for MQ, whats your point alarti ?

You got an FE member suspended for spamming, not banned. Congratz :)

We got Dosxx banned for training, shall we make a post about it too :) ?

You are still going to lose those 100k derport boy

[Yapas]

TMO clutching at straws as usual..

Fair enough the guy was afk.. but to label FE cheaters... pathetic

Since neither of your guild members has courage to condemn this cheat fact.....

[Dweed]

wtf is duck tape

It is a brand of duct tape. Considering duct tape is now against code to use with actual ducts, might as well support what people mistakenly call it anyways.

[sedrie.bellamie]

Sorry, this is not straight forward.

This leaves it up to the judgment of the individual. If I have my roommate sit and jam a button when i take a shower as opposed to having some material thing hold down the button, what is the fucking difference? Is my roommate an unfair advantage?

...

just take your roommate to the shower with you and forget FTE

[Alarti0001]

Yes you will lol, Thebest was a TMO wiz banned for MQ, whats your point alarti ?

You got an FE member suspended for spamming, not banned. Congratz :)

We got Dosxx banned for training, shall we make a post about it too :) ?

You are still going to lose those 100k derport boy

Thebest is not banned nor is he in TMO. Dosxx is not banned. Try again =)
FE member is suspended for cheating... retains FE tag

[Loly Taa]

just take your roommate to the shower with you and forget FTE

+++

[Autotune]

P99 server would like to dedicate this song to FE.

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[Ele]

It is a brand of duct tape. Considering duct tape is now against code to use with actual ducts, might as well support what people mistakenly call it anyways.

It is an inappropriate use of a trademark and should be discouraged.

[Llaile]

Is my roommate an unfair advantage?

...

Yes.

[Autotune]

Baby we used to have somethin' special
But lately you've been ignorin' on the rules
If you think that I don't know what your doin'
You've been runnnin' around and makin' me a fool

[Chorus]
Stop cheatin' on me
It ain't that hard to do
Stop cheatin' on me
Or I'll start cheatin' on you

Now dont think I will sink down to your level
I'm sure there's somwhere there's someone I can hold
[ From: http://www.metrolyrics.com/stop-cheatina-on-me-lyrics-kellie-pickler.html ]
I can make my own deal with the devil
And then you'll find out that hell can sure be cold

Stop cheatin' on me
It ain't that hard to do
Stop cheatin' on me
Or I'll start cheatin' on you

[Instrumental]

Stop cheatin' on me
It ain't that hard to do
Stop cheatin' on me
Or I'll start cheatin' on you

[Godefroi]

Thebest is not banned nor is he in TMO. Dosxx is not banned. Try again =)
FE member is suspended for cheating... retains FE tag

Thebest is a banned member for MQ, labelling FE for a 3 days suspension because a member was spamming temp flux, really ?

Lol :p I must say the spin you guys carry out shows a lot of frustration and anger though, I'm glad you're letting that out !

[Tanthallas]

just take your roommate to the shower with you and forget FTE

Cute, but addresses nothing.

In the end, whatever I think is cheating or not is irrelevant. What the GMs and staff declare cheating is relevant. If this is considered cheating and/or something to be avoided, then it will not be used in FE.

[Itap]

It is an inappropriate use of a trademark and should be discouraged.

lol. Are you Daniel Tosh?

[Kinosh]

Holy shit I didnt like country music til i heard that song.


http://awesomegifs.com/wp-content/uploads/jon-stewart-colbert-bravo.gif

[Jarnauga]

This server just got even more retarded.

Getting banned for pressing a key.

[AenarieFenninRo]

Cute, but addresses nothing.

In the end, whatever I think is cheating or not is irrelevant. What the GMs and staff declare cheating is relevant. If this is considered cheating and/or something to be avoided, then it will not be used in FE.

Please list the keyboard that Helicopter was using, show us that it allows for continual pressure to be applied to a button without some software to macro the ability to repeatedly repress the button and we may consider this issue closed.

As is, our team of researchers has yet to find a keyboard that would allow for continual pressure to be placed on a button that would then repeat the action over and over within EQ.

You claim duct tape, ... to pull a line from alarti... prove it.

[Eccezan]

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http://i.imgur.com/aZc535v.jpg

[Loly Taa]

Cute, but addresses nothing.

In the end, whatever I think is cheating or not is irrelevant. What the GMs and staff declare cheating is relevant. If this is considered cheating and/or something to be avoided, then it will not be used in FE.

It is 100% cheating, as it's using third party software (the Logitech G510 keyboard driver software) to run macros while AFK- or it's some entirely different third party piece of software because, well, let me say it again...

YOU CANNOT DUCT TAPE A KEY DOWN AND HAVE IT AUTOFIRE IN EQ WITHOUT THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE.

Show me a keyboard with hardware-provided key repeat. Seriously, that's what you need to produce for this to be anything but blatant cheating.

I just wonder how many of your other members "duct tape" their keys down, or is "duck tape" the name of your third party keyboard macro software?

[Funkutron5000]

Wasn't Jeremy caught two-boxing at some point? Why does he still have a TMO tag? Was it before he was in TMO? If that's the case, why did TMO allow a known cheater into their guild?

[Autotune]

Holy shit I didnt like country music til i heard that song.


http://awesomegifs.com/wp-content/uploads/jon-stewart-colbert-bravo.gif

http://static.tumblr.com/ooicj30/I9Fltwzyw/graceful_bow.gif

[Tiggles]

Please list the keyboard that Helicopter was using, show us that it allows for continual pressure to be applied to a button without some software to macro the ability to repeatedly repress the button and we may consider this issue closed.

As is, our team of researchers has yet to find a keyboard that would allow for continual pressure to be placed on a button that would then repeat the action over and over within EQ.

You claim duct tape, ... to pull a line from alarti... prove it.

[quido]

I think that we should disallow other types of tape too: scotch tape, masking tape, electrical tape, tapeworms, tapewurms, etc

[Tiggles]

http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/41500/Duct-Tape-Bandit-41527.jpg

[Godefroi]

Wasn't Jeremy caught two-boxing at some point? Why does he still have a TMO tag? Was it before he was in TMO? If that's the case, why did TMO allow a known cheater into their guild?

[Tanthallas]

It is 100% cheating, as it's using third party software (the Logitech G510 keyboard driver software) to run macros while AFK- or it's some entirely different third party piece of software because, well, let me say it again...

YOU CANNOT DUCT TAPE A KEY DOWN AND HAVE IT AUTOFIRE IN EQ WITHOUT THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE.

Show me a keyboard with hardware-provided key repeat. Seriously, that's what you need to produce for this to be anything but blatant cheating.

I just wonder how many of your other members "duct tape" their keys down, or is "duck tape" the name of your third party keyboard macro software?

Thats fine; you need to stop being such a dipshit, however, and try to understand that for many people there is a huge gray area between between what is considered a technological advantage of having a fancier and more expensive piece of hardware and enabling software capabilities through it that would otherwise be deemed inappropriate for given situations. There are many, many examples of the mere addition of more modern hardware giving advantages to people over others who do not have them - to make it seem like it is self evident which is cheating and which isnt just shows how desperate you are to find any dirt possible on the guild that almost clean sweeped you outside of VP this week.

Instead of taking this approach, you and your circle jerk choose to leap like fucking animals at the first scent of anything that makes you look better than an FE member. Not only that, you generalize it to try and attack FE as a whole. You really think people are stupid enough to not see through this?

If it is not allowed, it is not allowed; it will not be used, and will be punished. Myu is not going to be punished for something that he did not know, however...from this point on, everyone should know.

[Eccezan]

Thats fine; you need to stop being such a dipshit, however, and try to understand that for many people there is a huge gray area between between what is considered a technological advantage of having a fancier and more expensive piece of hardware and enabling software capabilities through it that would otherwise be deemed inappropriate for given situations. There are many, many examples of the mere addition of more modern hardware giving advantages to people over others who do not have them - to make it seem like it is self evident which is cheating and which isnt just shows how desperate you are to find any dirt possible on the guild that almost clean sweeped you outside of VP this week.

Instead of taking this approach, you and your circle jerk choose to leap like fucking animals at the first scent of anything that makes you look better than an FE member. Not only that, you generalize it to try and attack FE as a whole. You really think people are stupid enough to not see through this?

If it is not allowed, it is not allowed; it will not be used, and will be punished. Myu is not going to be punished for something that he did not know, however...from this point on, everyone should know.

<Forceful Entry> promotes cheating, training, and knowingly harbor's known cheaters.

[Tiggles]

Thats fine; you need to stop being such a dipshit, however, and try to understand that for many people there is a huge gray area between between what is considered a technological advantage of having a fancier and more expensive piece of hardware and enabling software capabilities through it that would otherwise be deemed inappropriate for given situations. There are many, many examples of the mere addition of more modern hardware giving advantages to people over others who do not have them - to make it seem like it is self evident which is cheating and which isnt just shows how desperate you are to find any dirt possible on the guild that almost clean sweeped you outside of VP this week.

Instead of taking this approach, you and your circle jerk choose to leap like fucking animals at the first scent of anything that makes you look better than an FE member. Not only that, you generalize it to try and attack FE as a whole. You really think people are stupid enough to not see through this?

If it is not allowed, it is not allowed; it will not be used, and will be punished. Myu is not going to be punished for something that he did not know, however...from this point on, everyone should know.

<Forceful Entry> promotes cheating, training, and knowingly harbor's known cheaters.

[Alarti0001]

Thebest is a banned member for MQ, labelling FE for a 3 days suspension because a member was spamming temp flux, really ?

Lol :p I must say the spin you guys carry out shows a lot of frustration and anger though, I'm glad you're letting that out !

1.) thebest is not banned
2.) thebest is not a tmo member
Can you prove your allegations. We can prove hellicopter was botting.

[Godefroi]

<Forceful Entry> promotes cheating, training, and knowingly harbor's known cheaters.

TMO Cheats : Thebest banned for MQ, Bouncerr banned for MQ, Jeremy caught 2 boxing.

TMO Trains : Dosxx Suspended for MQ

TMO gets guild suspended : Zeelot gets TMO suspended by AE'ing a pack of mobs at KC ent

TMO gets guild suspended : Darkdeath's PoS fiasco

Please keep labelling FE anything for spamming buttons and taping their keyboards :D

[AenarieFenninRo]

Visceral, you often you make valid and relevant arguments, but more often than that you love to change the conversation and deflect from the issue at hand.

By bringing up issues that occurred in the past, that have already been addressed in numerous threads, it just shows a desperate need to deflect and spin. Its like the old question your mom used to ask you... "if he jumped off a bridge would you do it too?"

I am not condoning, nor attempting to cover up any past indiscretion for any member of any guild by these statements, I am simply saying that your ability to argue logically is impeded by doing this type of thing.

If its a battle you're not going to win, introducing some argument about "but that other guy did something back a year ago" just makes your argument weaker and soon nobody will care about your ability to make relevant and salient points. Instead, accept that the argument is not to be won, and move along to a new topic.

[Rhambuk]

Didnt the whole cant do afk while play rule come in when mages were afk leveling in oot.

Thought after that they ruled you can't claim a camp or anythjing while afk even if your clearing it.

Anyway wasn't the whole fte change to negate afk fte? if hes still afk and getting fte what was the point of the 3 second spawn change

[Rhambuk]

sounds suspension worthy to me...

[Splorf22]

This whole scenario is so ridiculous.

I was sitting at my computer hitting the keyboard for 1 hour! He wasn't! WHAT A CHEATER!!

I understand the rules are the rules but the whole thing is just mindboggling.

[Loly Taa]

If it is not allowed, it is not allowed; it will not be used, and will be punished. Myu is not going to be punished for something that he did not know, however...from this point on, everyone should know.

It is very clearly not allowed and has been for a very long time. There's even a thread about it located here; http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=60006

That thread it a little over a year and a month old, Myuharin has been playing on this server since at least around when I started in 2010. So he has no excuse saying he didn't know it was wrong.

Let me quote some choice parts of that thread from GM's and developers at the time.

If your character is doing something, and you're not around to answer, you may find yourself in some precarious situation when you return.

This is likely against the rules, and if someone petitions you doing it, you *will* be suspended/banned.

See here:


This would classify as a script that gives you an unfair advantage versus people who do not have the script, and imo, is no different than macroquest macros.
I am sure saying "I was AFK botting my foraging skill" in a petition will not help you either.

That being said, if you are at the keyboard and initiate the keystrokes (IE; G15) that's not something they really have the right to police, as the G15 sends raw input to the computer and there is no way of telling the difference.

If you hit the macro on your keyboard and go afk, though, and they find out... Your account is gone. Pretty simple rules.

If you hit the macro on your keyboard and go afk, though, and they find out... Your account is gone. Pretty simple rules.

If you hit the macro on your keyboard and go afk, though, and they find out... Your account is gone. Pretty simple rules.

If you hit the macro on your keyboard and go afk, though, and they find out... Your account is gone. Pretty simple rules.

[Rhambuk]

This whole scenario is so ridiculous.

I was sitting at my computer hitting the keyboard for 1 hour! He wasn't! WHAT A CHEATER!!

I understand the rules are the rules but the whole thing is just mindboggling.

it is mind boggling but after 2 years of guilds arguing over the smallest thing to overturn loot rights this is the current raid scene, 2 forces kill it. petition and post in rnf until a ruling is reached, wait 1 week repeat.

[uygi]

"He had his buttons duck taped down" <- bullshit lie which does nothing in EQ w/o a auto program.

Cheating Scum.

Okay, lets all do an experiment.

Lets go ingame, put an instaclicky on your hotbar and hold down that key.

What happens? The instaclicky fires once, one time, and will not fire again until you key-up and then key-down again.


Nice try on the spin, but he was cheating, you can't "duck tape" buttons down to spam an instaclicky. It is just not possible without hacks. Sorry.

I tried duct taping my key but it wouldn't repeat keystrokes :confused: :confused: :confused:


This just in, Microsoft Windows 3rd Party Hack
An evildoing player on the Project 1999 server has managed to install stealth hacking "software" that runs invisibly in the background while playing. The "software", an "operating system" known as Microsoft Windows 7 Professional, or W7 in hacker jargon, allows computers to engage in various nefarious activities. "Software" transforms computers from harmless paperweights into dangerous contraptions capable of browsing the internet, viewing audio and video media, word processing, and even adjusting settings such as sound volume, display settings and, unthinkably, altering the behavior of input devices such as mice and keyboards.

http://www.ehow.com/how_7881739_repeat-key-strokes.html
The Microsoft Windows operating system includes a variety of settings designed to allow users to customize the computing experience based on their own needs and tendencies. One area where Windows users can adjust settings is the keyboard. If you find yourself accidentally holding down keyboard keys and having to delete text, you can enable the repeat key stroke function to manage how Windows records your key strokes.

[Tanthallas]

The point is not to keep people locked at their keyboards. If you start from this assumption, of course you come out with the conclusion you want. The point is to eliminate randomness somehow, but that randomness is not eliminated regardless of whether people jam buttons to get FTE or get proximity agro on spawn...even while being afk.

[Tiggles]

It is very clearly not allowed and has been for a very long time. There's even a thread about it located here; http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=60006

That thread it a little over a year and a month old, Myuharin has been playing on this server since at least around when I started in 2010. So he has no excuse saying he didn't know it was wrong.

Let me quote some choice parts of that thread from GM's and developers at the time.





If you hit the macro on your keyboard and go afk, though, and they find out... Your account is gone. Pretty simple rules.

If you hit the macro on your keyboard and go afk, though, and they find out... Your account is gone. Pretty simple rules.

If you hit the macro on your keyboard and go afk, though, and they find out... Your account is gone. Pretty simple rules.

[Tiggles]

This just in, Microsoft Windows 3rd Party Hack
An evildoing player on the Project 1999 server has managed to install stealth hacking "software" that runs invisibly in the background while playing. The "software", an "operating system" known as Microsoft Windows 7 Professional, or W7 in hacker jargon, allows computers to engage in various nefarious activities. "Software" transforms computers from harmless paperweights into dangerous contraptions capable of browsing the internet, viewing audio and video media, word processing, and even adjusting settings such as sound volume, display settings and, unthinkably, altering the behavior of input devices such as mice and keyboards.

http://www.ehow.com/how_7881739_repeat-key-strokes.html

Still cheating bro.

[Raden]

That about wraps this up.
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/2208195/jim-carrey-tape-on-his-face-o.gif

[Loly Taa]

It is very clearly not allowed and has been for a very long time. There's even a thread about it located here; http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=60006

That thread it a little over a year and a month old, Myuharin has been playing on this server since at least around when I started in 2010. So he has no excuse saying he didn't know it was wrong.

Let me quote some choice parts of that thread from GM's and developers at the time.





If you hit the macro on your keyboard and go afk, though, and they find out... Your account is gone. Pretty simple rules.

If you hit the macro on your keyboard and go afk, though, and they find out... Your account is gone. Pretty simple rules.

If you hit the macro on your keyboard and go afk, though, and they find out... Your account is gone. Pretty simple rules.

THIS JUST IN, YOUR ARGUMENT IS INVALID!

[Funkutron5000]

Visceral, you often you make valid and relevant arguments, but more often than that you love to change the conversation and deflect from the issue at hand.

By bringing up issues that occurred in the past, that have already been addressed in numerous threads, it just shows a desperate need to deflect and spin. Its like the old question your mom used to ask you... "if he jumped off a bridge would you do it too?"

I am not condoning, nor attempting to cover up any past indiscretion for any member of any guild by these statements, I am simply saying that your ability to argue logically is impeded by doing this type of thing.

If its a battle you're not going to win, introducing some argument about "but that other guy did something back a year ago" just makes your argument weaker and soon nobody will care about your ability to make relevant and salient points. Instead, accept that the argument is not to be won, and move along to a new topic.

I think what Visc posts is completely valid when a TMO officer posts:

<Forceful Entry> promotes cheating, training, and knowingly harbor's known cheaters.

Visc provided a list of people caught training, 2-boxing, and who were MQ flagged. Those pretty well cover the above categories. And, it turns out, most of them still retain the TMO tag. When your guild leader has been suspended for training in the past posts like Eccezan's just look stupid.

Basically it boils down to: glass house, don't throw stones, etc.

I'm in no way condoning what Helicopter did and he deserves to take a break, but if you're gonna call for someone to get /gkicked for a transgression then you should probably clean up your own fucking house before doing so.

[Loly Taa]

If you hit the macro on your keyboard and go afk, though, and they find out... Your account is gone. Pretty simple rules.

[Dagner]

bumping for justice!

[Tiggles]

http://pastebin.com/ZvX4h2Eh

Here is the log.

[Fountree]

Duck taping down your keyboard for FTE? Cares wayyy too much lol get a life. Plz ban account

[Eccezan]

Comic Sans for Seriousness:

[/B][/QUOTE]
If you hit the macro on your keyboard and go afk, though, and they find out... Your account is gone. Pretty simple rules.

[Funkutron5000]

Wasn't Jeremy caught two-boxing at some point? Why does he still have a TMO tag? Was it before he was in TMO? If that's the case, why did TMO allow a known cheater into their guild?

Quoting because there still hasn't been an answer.

[quido]

I tried following that Ehow guide - it doesn't allow you to repeat keystrokes by holding the key where you otherwise couldn't (like EQ). It merely allows you to NOT repeat keystrokes when a key is held, based on specific settings.

[Eccezan]

Quoting because there still hasn't been an answer.

If you hit the macro on your keyboard and go afk, though, and they find out... Your account is gone. Pretty simple rules.

[quido]

screenshot or it didn't happen

[AenarieFenninRo]

http://pastebin.com/ZvX4h2Eh

Here is the log.

Sure looks like 9 minuts of consistant 4x click per second to me

[Loly Taa]

I tried following that Ehow guide - it doesn't allow you to repeat keystrokes by holding the key where you otherwise couldn't (like EQ). It merely allows you to NOT repeat keystrokes when a key is held, based on specific settings.

I wonder how FE will spin spin sugar this?

[Tiggles]

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/829/iqdophllsskbfjtyjjrz.gif

[Alarti0001]

Thats fine; you need to stop being such a dipshit, however, and try to understand that for many people there is a huge gray area between between what is considered a technological advantage of having a fancier and more expensive piece of hardware and enabling software capabilities through it that would otherwise be deemed inappropriate for given situations. There are many, many examples of the mere addition of more modern hardware giving advantages to people over others who do not have them - to make it seem like it is self evident which is cheating and which isnt just shows how desperate you are to find any dirt possible on the guild that almost clean sweeped you outside of VP this week.

Instead of taking this approach, you and your circle jerk choose to leap like fucking animals at the first scent of anything that makes you look better than an FE member. Not only that, you generalize it to try and attack FE as a whole. You really think people are stupid enough to not see through this?

If it is not allowed, it is not allowed; it will not be used, and will be punished. Myu is not going to be punished for something that he did not know, however...from this point on, everyone should know.

<Forceful Entry> promotes cheating, training, and knowingly harbor's known cheaters.

[Loly Taa]

[Tue Feb 26 13:23:41 2013] Helicopter tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.

[Tue Feb 26 13:32:07 2013] Helicopter tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected.

[Tue Feb 26 13:32:23 2013] Helicopter tells you, 'Haven't seen anybody'


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Funkutron5000]

If you hit the macro on your keyboard and go afk, though, and they find out... Your account is gone. Pretty simple rules.

I'm not saying helicopter shouldn't be punished. Just wondering if you should be tossing so many stones around in that glass house of yours.

[Raden]

I'm not saying helicopter shouldn't be punished. Just wondering if you should be tossing so many stones around in that glass house of yours.

Can just use some of Helicopter's duct tape to fix any damage.

[Rhambuk]

http://ts3.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4964493423675742&pid=15.1

just for fun =p

[Jarnauga]

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[Relapse2]

i dunno what you FE guys have done but i gotta say congrats and job well done.

got these fools blaming everything from the sun to duct tape

[uygi]

Can just use some of Helicopter's duct tape to fix any damage.

I really hate to ruin the romance of duct tape, but it's actually scotch tape.

[Tanthallas]

I really hate to ruin the romance of duct tape, but it's actually scotch tape.

FAIL

[Loly Taa]

I really hate to ruin the romance of duct tape, but it's actually scotch tape.

We've already established doing that while AFK is clearly against the server rules. (Which I'm sure you were more than aware of.)

but I do appreciate you coming out with a clear admission of guilt, cheater.

[Tiggles]

If you hit the macro on your keyboard and go afk, though, and they find out... Your account is gone. Pretty simple rules.

[Tanthallas]

We've already established doing that while AFK is clearly against the server rules. (Which I'm sure you were more than aware of.)

but I do appreciate you coming out with a clear admission of guilt, cheater.

Do you have any friends IRL?

[Happyfeet]

Do you have any friends IRL?

Me. Loly and I eat a bunch of cat food and then sleep in our computer chairs together side-by-side.

[Zeelot]

Do you have any friends IRL?

I've met Loly irl and we're friends <3

[Eccezan]

I really hate to ruin the romance of duct tape, but it's actually scotch tape.

http://www.kendallgrey.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/scotch-tape-sculptures9.jpg

[Kinosh]

Loly Clean your

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GZqp3xa5LdE/UPgNezbVmOI/AAAAAAAABrk/5JYLb_X5aho/s1600/dirty+toilet.jpg


Already Brewman!

[Eccezan]

We've already established doing that while AFK is clearly against the server rules. (Which I'm sure you were more than aware of.)

but I do appreciate you coming out with a clear admission of guilt, cheater.

6 days a week I fall asleep on the phone talking to Loly. The 7th day were fall asleep in our chairs discussing current events on AOL Instant Messenger.

[Tanthallas]

So no friends IRL.

[Tanthallas]

I will be your friend if it will make you stop QQing so much, Loly.

[Loly Taa]

Visceral's signature pic, clever troll selfshot by Loly or confirmed Loly has friends IRL?(Even ones that walk into his house at random!)

[Enygma]

I mean I can see it being a grey area, but I think the only real problem is AFKing while utilizing it. Otherwise, I see no issue with holding the key to spam IF THERE IS NO THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE BEING USED TO DO SO as opposed to jamming the key.

Is the circle jerk done yet?

bro... autofire IS a third party program lol... It's just programming BUILT IN to they keyboard.

what an idiot.

[Tanthallas]

There are software programs you can download and run...all I was saying is that I can clearly see people thinking it is a feature of the keyboard which is completely separate from the downloadable software available regardless of the hardware. Which is wrong.

[maverixdamighty]

There are software programs you can download and run...all I was saying is that I can clearly see people thinking it is a feature of the keyboard which is completely separate from the downloadable software available regardless of the hardware. Which is wrong.

no point in attempting to point out anything logical. it was deemed it was inappropriate to use and he got suspended for it. end of story for us. tmo can keep rehashing it like they don't use autofire and haven't been suspended/banned/etc for this in the past.

[Loly Taa]

There are software programs you can download and run...all I was saying is that I can clearly see people thinking it is a feature of the keyboard which is completely separate from the downloadable software available regardless of the hardware. Which is wrong.

If you hit the macro on your keyboard and go afk, though, and they find out... Your account is gone. Pretty simple rules.

[Enygma]

sounds suspension worthy to me...

should have been a ban - any cheating deserves a ban - anyone caught cheating deserves 0 tolerance - BAN! - regardless of who it is.

GM's need to grow a pair and start bringing down the hammer. Cheating SHOULD NOT BE TOLERATED ON ANY LEVEL!

Given how difficult it is at detecting these cheaters for autofire, mq2, seq etc... it needs to be instant ban FOREVER - IP ban all accounts associated to the person.

If they want they can re-apply in petition forums in 6 months to have their IP unblocked to reroll.

This is what should happen to cheaters.

[Enygma]

should have been a ban - any cheating deserves a ban - anyone caught cheating deserves 0 tolerance - BAN! - regardless of who it is.

GM's need to grow a pair and start bringing down the hammer. Cheating SHOULD NOT BE TOLERATED ON ANY LEVEL!

Given how difficult it is at detecting these cheaters for autofire, mq2, seq etc... it needs to be instant ban FOREVER - IP ban all accounts associated to the person.

If they want they can re-apply in petition forums in 6 months to have their IP unblocked to reroll.

This is what should happen to cheaters.

Sworen running for GM of the year 2013.

[Loly Taa]

no point in attempting to point out anything logical. it was deemed it was inappropriate to use and he got suspended for it. end of story for us. tmo can keep rehashing it like they don't use autofire and haven't been suspended/banned/etc for this in the past.

As far as I am aware there are no recorded instances of a TMO member using autofire while they were guilded.

Daliant used autofire when he was in IB trying to hand in his Ragefire pearl, but that was a bit before he joined and we did hold that against him in his app.

[Kinosh]

I NEED MORE DERP-TAPE!

[Hailto]

Visceral's signature pic, clever troll selfshot by Loly or confirmed Loly has friends IRL?(Even ones that walk into his house at random!)

Doesn't matter if you have friends or not, that pic is depressing.

[Alarti0001]

should have been a ban - any cheating deserves a ban - anyone caught cheating deserves 0 tolerance - BAN! - regardless of who it is.

GM's need to grow a pair and start bringing down the hammer. Cheating SHOULD NOT BE TOLERATED ON ANY LEVEL!

Given how difficult it is at detecting these cheaters for autofire, mq2, seq etc... it needs to be instant ban FOREVER - IP ban all accounts associated to the person.

If they want they can re-apply in petition forums in 6 months to have their IP unblocked to reroll.

This is what should happen to cheaters.

[xarzzardorn]

There are software programs you can download and run...all I was saying is that I can clearly see people thinking it is a feature of the keyboard which is completely separate from the downloadable software available regardless of the hardware. Which is wrong.

this line of thinking completely breaks down if you're not a cheating scumbag who thinks that playing your character while AFK is acceptable.

[Alarti0001]

this line of thinking completely breaks down if you're not a cheating scumbag who thinks that playing your character while AFK is acceptable.

You know keyboards have software too right?

[Nirgon]

he was not cheating.

You cannot be serious.

I don't care if its a program or taping it down.

That's macroing and its cheating.

[kenzar]

In an effort to keep this massive circle jerk going, allow me to stir the pot.

TMO mad jelly they didn't think of this fte strat first.
FE harbors known cheaters


confirmed cheater, confirmed mq2, reserved 1, let ledzepp talk, obvious rmt, qq emoqq

I miss anything?

[Tiggles]

In an effort to keep this massive circle jerk going, allow me to stir the pot.

TMO mad jelly they didn't think of this fte strat first.
FE harbors known cheaters


confirmed cheater, confirmed mq2, reserved 1, let ledzepp talk, obvious rmt, qq emoqq

I miss anything?

tmobreakfearyet

[kenzar]

bring back tags. rnf has never really been the same since they were done away with.

[kenzar]

TR mad as ever
uaellaen cumguzzler
tiggle my diggle

[Tiggles]

TR mad as ever
uaellaen cumguzzler
tiggle my diggle

I love glitch

[Eccezan]

mad bad fat cheaters, FEwillfallapartbeforevelious, FEBreakTrakLedgeYet?, StallKiteCheatersjoinFE, Sloansuckscock, Shinkoeatass, lolVisceralsmellyfrenchie

[kenzar]

If we are just making new ones, I submit: ducktape4win, nothackssoftware, proofplz.

More to come.

[Alarti0001]

NoPoopNoLoot

[Tiggles]

notapenowin

[kenzar]

3rdpartytape

[Rhambuk]

youngspindoctors

[Eccezan]

AfkFTENotCheating

[Waedawen]

... from duct tape on keyboards to matching trio of forum signatures this thread reeks of faggotry

[kenzar]

... from duct tape on keyboards to matching trio of forum signatures this thread reeks of faggotry

that's way too long to fit in a tag, idiot.

[Waedawen]

Got me

[quido]

lol

[Loly Taa]

In an effort to keep this massive circle jerk going, allow me to stir the pot.

TMO mad jelly they didn't think of this fte strat first.
FE harbors known cheaters


confirmed cheater, confirmed mq2, reserved 1, let ledzepp talk, obvious rmt, qq emoqq

I miss anything?

If you hit the macro on your keyboard and go afk, though, and they find out... Your account is gone. Pretty simple rules.

[kenzar]

younglawyerloly

[SyanideGas]

IWannaTalkToSampson

[Loly Taa]

younglawyerloly

LOL, How is this rule lawyering?

This is stated fact from a P99 Dev and a former P99 lead GM.

You can just click the arrow in my quote to see the original context. Here. I'll show you again...

If you hit the macro on your keyboard and go afk, though, and they find out... Your account is gone. Pretty simple rules.

If you hit the macro on your keyboard and go afk, though, and they find out... Your account is gone. Pretty simple rules.

If you hit the macro on your keyboard and go afk, though, and they find out... Your account is gone. Pretty simple rules.

If you hit the macro on your keyboard and go afk, though, and they find out... Your account is gone. Pretty simple rules.

If you hit the macro on your keyboard and go afk, though, and they find out... Your account is gone. Pretty simple rules.

If you hit the macro on your keyboard and go afk, though, and they find out... Your account is gone. Pretty simple rules.

If you hit the macro on your keyboard and go afk, though, and they find out... Your account is gone. Pretty simple rules.

If you hit the macro on your keyboard and go afk, though, and they find out... Your account is gone. Pretty simple rules.

If you hit the macro on your keyboard and go afk, though, and they find out... Your account is gone. Pretty simple rules.

If you hit the macro on your keyboard and go afk, though, and they find out... Your account is gone. Pretty simple rules.

If you hit the macro on your keyboard and go afk, though, and they find out... Your account is gone. Pretty simple rules.

If you hit the macro on your keyboard and go afk, though, and they find out... Your account is gone. Pretty simple rules.

If you hit the macro on your keyboard and go afk, though, and they find out... Your account is gone. Pretty simple rules.

If you hit the macro on your keyboard and go afk, though, and they find out... Your account is gone. Pretty simple rules.

[Eccezan]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/35458044.jpg

[Eccezan]

I apologize for my previous post.

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/35458299.jpg

[kenzar]

...Hi loly, allow me to catch you up. This is the part of the thread meant for light humor and nostalgia for those that remember tags. Nothing posted for the last 2 hours has really been on topic because this is RnF, this isn't a place where things actually get done. Now that you've made me point that out you've effectively killed any vibe that was 'going on' here. But please, continue to spam quote some relevant GM ruling in RnF as if it this is where the GM's go to get their intel.

Eccezan, for the save with a light hearted meme!

lolydoesntgetit, younglawyerlol, RnFwarriorloly

[getsome]

KillGoreYet

Keyboard macro's are protected by the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 (ADA).

[Loly Taa]

...Hi loly, allow me to catch you up. This is the part of the thread meant for light humor and nostalgia for those that remember tags. Nothing posted for the last 2 hours has really been on topic because this is RnF, this isn't a place where things actually get done. Now that you've made me point that out you've effectively killed any vibe that was 'going on' here. But please, continue to spam quote some relevant GM ruling in RnF as if it this is where the GM's go to get their intel.

Eccezan, for the save with a light hearted meme!

lolydoesntgetit, younglawyerlol, RnFwarriorloly

Oh my god you sound so butthurt.

Former IB cannot introduce lighthearted vibe. Unless you're one of the newer idiots.

[Loly Taa]

KillGoreYet

Keyboard macro's are protected by the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 (ADA).

That only applies to places that hire people. How much cash do you pay your members to play?

[Loly Taa]

KillGoreYet

Keyboard macro's are protected by the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 (ADA).

Or my bad, by your logic there should be wheelchair ramps to VS from zonein.

[Waedawen]

Oh my god you sound so butthurt.

Former IB cannot introduce lighthearted vibe. Unless you're one of the newer idiots.

thread's over, someone's actually mad.

go home everyone.

[kenzar]

Goddammit Loly! Eccezan stepped in and saved the day, hell, even Getsome is up in here dropping some jokes after your way too madd post.

lolystilldoesntgetit, RnFsrsbusiness

Make a funny/nozstalgic tag or leave a light-hearted meme. the time for pointless rnF circle jerking has past. Try again in the morning when FE has members that are actually awake.

thread's over, someone's actually mad.

go home everyone.

[Loly Taa]

Do not mistake my intent.


I cannot wait until that cove of cheaters and douchebags leave the server. I don't intend for them to have a good time here from now until that point.

[kenzar]

Do not mistake my intent.


I don't intend for anyone to have a good time here from now until that point.

lolythreadkiller

[Loly Taa]

lolythreadkiller

You so eloquently left out the part about the "cove of cheaters"

[Waedawen]

lolyf5

[getsome]

That only applies to places that hire people. How much cash do you pay your members to play?

Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 (ADA):
A comprehensive Federal law that prohibits discrimination on the basis of disability in employment, telecommunications, public services, public accommodations and services.

[Loly Taa]

lolyf5

Just, lol.

Lets see how many more FE we can get in here to legitimize Myuharin's obvious third party program usage- ontop of that, being caught using it while AFK.

If you hit the macro on your keyboard and go afk, though, and they find out... Your account is gone. Pretty simple rules.

[kenzar]

toosrs4rnf

[Loly Taa]

Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 (ADA):
A comprehensive Federal law that prohibits discrimination on the basis of disability in employment, telecommunications, public services, public accommodations and services.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

I've seen people reach for the gold but never like you getsome, is this still Xzerion playing you?

[getsome]

Or my bad, by your logic there should be wheelchair ramps to VS from zonein.

That is covered in ADA Title 3.

[Tiggles]

Stop shitting up my thread Loly

[Loly Taa]

That is covered in ADA Title 3.

I hereby petition Project 1999 to modify zone files and redistribute them (which they cannot do) just to implement the ADA of 1990.

I mean.. fuck you, goddamn you're stupid.

[Tanthallas]

Do not mistake my intent.


I cannot wait until that cove of cheaters and douchebags leave the server. I don't intend for them to have a good time here from now until that point.

Aww, someone has had one too many again..

Have your mom take another pic for us kid.

[OMGWTF420]

this is good stuff, i only had to read the first and last page

8/10 would read again

[getsome]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

I've seen people reach for the gold but never like you getsome, is this still Xzerion playing you?

Old news.


09[00:22] {Uthgaard} speaking of, did they find some justification to unban eashan yet?
[00:22] {Amelinda} not afaik.
09[00:22] {Uthgaard} i've been wondering when that one was coming
09[00:22] {Uthgaard} check and see for me in character search
[00:23] {Amelinda} nah. still banned.
09[00:24] {Uthgaard} im shocked
09[00:24] {Uthgaard} by the way in case you didnt know, getsome = xzerion
09[00:24] {Uthgaard} 90% of the time
09[00:24] {Uthgaard} so that whole leadership passoff was to a mostly idle account

[Loly Taa]

this is good stuff, i only had to read the first and last page

8/10 would read again

I agree, we got one of your guildies (Myuharin) suspended for obviously using 3rd party programs while afk.

Not only that, he admitted what he did in this thread and after we showed that what he did was a possibly permanently bannable offense.

[Heebee]

Old news.


09[00:22] {Uthgaard} speaking of, did they find some justification to unban eashan yet?
[00:22] {Amelinda} not afaik.
09[00:22] {Uthgaard} i've been wondering when that one was coming
09[00:22] {Uthgaard} check and see for me in character search
[00:23] {Amelinda} nah. still banned.
09[00:24] {Uthgaard} im shocked
09[00:24] {Uthgaard} by the way in case you didnt know, getsome = xzerion
09[00:24] {Uthgaard} 90% of the time
09[00:24] {Uthgaard} so that whole leadership passoff was to a mostly idle account

Confirmed Getxerion hand off was a total sham!

[Loly Taa]

Old news.


09[00:22] {Uthgaard} speaking of, did they find some justification to unban eashan yet?
[00:22] {Amelinda} not afaik.
09[00:22] {Uthgaard} i've been wondering when that one was coming
09[00:22] {Uthgaard} check and see for me in character search
[00:23] {Amelinda} nah. still banned.
09[00:24] {Uthgaard} im shocked
09[00:24] {Uthgaard} by the way in case you didnt know, getsome = xzerion
09[00:24] {Uthgaard} 90% of the time
09[00:24] {Uthgaard} so that whole leadership passoff was to a mostly idle account

EASHAN WAS IB AND I SAW HIM 2 BOX WITH MY OWN GODDAMN EYES WHEN I SHOWED UP TO THIS SERVER.

He insisted it was "OK" because he was "COOL".

[OMGWTF420]

I agree, we got one of your guildies (Myuharin) suspended for obviously using 3rd party programs while afk.

Not only that, he admitted what he did in this thread and after we showed that what he did was a possibly permanently bannable offense.

i know right? pretty funny

[getsome]

http://i.imgur.com/hMYnT.png

[OMGWTF420]

except im not nor was i ever in FE

[Loly Taa]

except im not nor was i ever in FE

you're just that idiot in BDA that decided he wanted to troll forums instead of helping his guild, kay.

[getsome]

EASHAN WAS IB AND I SAW HIM 2 BOX WITH MY OWN GODDAMN EYES WHEN I SHOWED UP TO THIS SERVER.

He insisted it was "OK" because he was "COOL".

Big deal, I saw him FOUR box efreeti. Needless to say I think I had to run and get him four coffins :p

[Eccezan]

http://awesomegifs.com/wp-content/uploads/1350490360_guy_jumps_cannon_ball_into_frozen_pond. gifhttp://

[Daldolma]

laughed at title but by no means will i read thread

[Loly Taa]

Big deal, I saw him FOUR box efreeti. Needless to say I think I had to run and get him four coffins :p

<3

[OMGWTF420]

you're just that idiot in BDA that decided he wanted to troll forums instead of helping his guild, kay.

totally

[Loly Taa]

laughed at title but by no means will i read thread

Honestly, does anyone care what you think?

We're pointing out blatant cheating in FE and you can't be arsed to read the thread?

I mean, you're not biased at all...

[OMGWTF420]

lol this loly dude really has a hard on for this guild drama, its like he's never seen someone get banned before. shouldn't you be used to it by now?

[Eccezan]

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[OMGWTF420]

he's like that kid that is always being made fun of but finally got the chance to give it back to one of the bullies