naming policy rules... what are they? [Archive]

eqdruid76

06-13-2010, 12:20 AM

its easy to joke and say that... but the names I pick are fine by most servers rules.

Some even fine by SoD's strict RP rules. Some would not pass SoD RP name rules.

So you can say "if you second guess the name you shouldnt pass it" it all depends on the rules.

There are two kinds of players.

1). The kind that pick a name consistent with the fantasy genre, or the random name generator.

2). The kind that pick a name to seek attention, by means of double entendres, witty palindromes/respellings, juvenile slogans or phrases, or just to be a douche.

If your choice falls in #2, as I strongly suspect it does, then just come up with another name, and save everyone some eye-rolling.

Reiker

06-13-2010, 12:43 AM

Using SoD's rules as a guideline go far in not making yourself look like an idiot, though.

Titles
No titles. You can't be "Lordgrey" or "Jackthegreat". Sorry.

Stupid or Well-Known Names
No names from well-known, popular media. You can't be Aragorn, Gandalf or Garfield. On that note, no unrealistic or completely idiotic names either. "Rogue" or "Iksar" are not acceptable names.

Wordplays and Wordmeshes
No wordplays. "Froak Frog" is not an acceptable name, nor is Frog or Froak by itself, but those go under idiotic names anyway. In the same avenue, no combine-word names. You can't be Rockjumper or Swordswinger or Deathdancer. These are acceptable last names, but not acceptable first names.

Gibberish Go Away
Your name must be something resembling a name. You can't be Xbaihjsfa, Qwwwwb or otherwise have a name with no wovels like Fgbnm or Xfds.

The Linguistic Lambada
Cleverly bypassing the naming policy by using a different language, spelling it differently/backwards or using an obvious anagram will not win you any sympathy points. We will still change your name when we find out.

Kooky Combinations
If you create a pair of characters with names that carry an obvious meaning together, or form a word play together (for example Louise and Thelma) they will be changed even if the individual names do not violate policy. This rule does not apply to simply having two similarily named characters, such as Ling and Leng or Ling and Gnil.

Even Then!
That "you used this name on live" does not mean it magically bypasses the policy. We will not tolerate this excuse. Use the rules here, not the non-existant name rules on EQlive.

Spirit of the Law
Finally, the rules above are a guideline for staffers, not an absolute set of rules, so use common sense and try to follow the spirit of the law. If you feel your name has been unjustly changed, send an email to staff@shardsofdalaya.com stating your case.

nicemace

06-13-2010, 01:30 AM

There are two kinds of players.

1). The kind that pick a name consistent with the fantasy genre, or the random name generator.

2). The kind that pick a name to seek attention, by means of double entendres, witty palindromes/respellings, juvenile slogans or phrases, or just to be a douche.

If your choice falls in #2, as I strongly suspect it does, then just come up with another name, and save everyone some eye-rolling.

or some people dont take shit soooo seriously that they need to be roleplaying dweebs. :D

i wasnt even allowed nicemace which has been my charname/username through all the games i play.

Qaedain

06-13-2010, 01:37 AM

It's not so much roleplaying vs. not roleplaying as it is looking like a complete tool vs. not looking like a complete tool.

eqdruid76

06-13-2010, 01:44 AM

or some people dont take shit soooo seriously that they need to be roleplaying dweebs. :D

i wasnt even allowed nicemace which has been my charname/username through all the games i play.

Aye, #2s typically don't even realize they're #2s.

Uaellaen

06-13-2010, 02:36 AM

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_9BusZ5e9_fE/Rz_0Xp8ROQI/AAAAAAAACKg/r8_2T5CeeQE/s1600/2007-10-10_Southpark_07.jpg

Noooooooo im not #2!!!! :p

nicemace

06-13-2010, 02:46 AM

Aye, #2s typically don't even realize they're #2s.

yep i know im a #2 cause i know im not a roleplayer.

eqdruid76

06-13-2010, 02:48 AM

yep i know im a #2 cause i know im not a roleplayer.

/sigh

Roleplaying has absolutely nothing to do with a stupid name.

nicemace

06-13-2010, 02:49 AM

1). The kind that pick a name consistent with the fantasy genre, or the random name generator. = roleplaying.

this is what im pointing out. your generalizations suck :P

eqdruid76

06-13-2010, 02:59 AM

1). The kind that pick a name consistent with the fantasy genre, or the random name generator. = roleplaying.

this is what im pointing out. your generalizations suck :P

No, that's not roleplaying. That's conscientiously selecting a name that doesn't offend the senses of maturity and good taste.

If I were to encounter a "Nicemace" in the game, I would seriously think twice before joining his/her group. And the same is true for any poorly-chosen avatar name. I know you don't understand that, and I know you think I'm the only player on the server that would be so "petty" and "judgemental". But you're wrong. You're also wrong about the definition of roleplaying.

Did you even ever play EQ live?

eqdruid76

06-13-2010, 03:01 AM

Standing by for Nicemace's crash course in his rich history with Everquest. I'm guessing "played since Beta" or "was a guide". /shrug let's find out now. :)

Cyrius

06-13-2010, 03:04 AM

You can go by this rough guidelines:

No titles, Name and Lastname should not form words or phrases, Names should not be phrases, brand names, etc. ...

nicemace

06-13-2010, 03:07 AM

lol okay. yeah i played live. wont get into details cause i got nothing to prove :P

nothing i say is going to change the way you think and nothing you say will change the way i think so shrug whatever.

it is possible to have non-offensive/non-attention seeking names without being a roleplayer :D

Tseng

06-13-2010, 05:46 AM

You can go by this rough guidelines:

No titles, Name and Lastname should not form words or phrases, Names should not be phrases, brand names, etc. ...

Not to be a nudge, but isn't one of the devs named Mixxit 'Ndance? Isn't that a phrase?

Cyrius

06-13-2010, 11:06 AM

Not to be a nudge, but isn't one of the devs named Mixxit 'Ndance? Isn't that a phrase?

Exactly, he is a Developer.

oldhead

06-13-2010, 11:53 AM

There are two kinds of players.

1). The kind that pick a name consistent with the fantasy genre, or the random name generator.

2). The kind that pick a name to seek attention, by means of double entendres, witty palindromes/respellings, juvenile slogans or phrases, or just to be a douche.

If your choice falls in #2, as I strongly suspect it does, then just come up with another name, and save everyone some eye-rolling.

You are a very black and white person that lumps people into groups arnt you?

oldhead

06-13-2010, 11:56 AM

You can go by this rough guidelines:

No titles, Name and Lastname should not form words or phrases, Names should not be phrases, brand names, etc. ...

That helps but there still a lot of open room.

Thanks for the post.

ukaking

06-17-2010, 08:44 AM

What about someone named after a person in a music band? Shouldnt they have their name removed?

SchadenFreude

06-17-2010, 10:51 AM

The whole concept of "names should not be a phrase" is about as non-roleplaying an idea as you can possibly conceive. It is only in the recent history of humanity that names became a jumble of Firstname-Surname combinations.

Look at the American Indians, for example. They didn't have names that translated to "Bob Smith".

Until recently, surnames were based upon job occupation, and were not handed down via parental lineage. Exceptions were surnames like Johnson, which literally mean "Son of John".

Names that form phrases, names that describe the role of the toon, and names that show a recognizable lineage are as RP as you can possibly get. GMs who wave the name-change hammer are either hopefully clueless, or, more commonly, merely jackasses on a power trip.

And yes, I have had my toons' names changed by GMs on Sony servers. A lot. Once, due to a huge backlash from the community, Sony had to amend the name policy rule to specifically include my old name in the list of unacceptable names. (I can point out the name in the amended policy, and show where that name was not in the printed policy just a few weeks prior). Every single time a guide changed my name they did so on behalf of a friend of theirs who had an axe to grind. And, every single time they did that, Sony stood behind their guides -- right or wrong.

Taxi

06-17-2010, 11:00 AM

No, that's not roleplaying. That's conscientiously selecting a name that doesn't offend the senses of maturity and good taste.

Thats highly subjective.

To me, suggesting that the only correct and mature and in good taste character name are names that are within the fantasy genre or the name generator is being immature and rigid.

I picked my name on a spur of the moment thing, my guideline was dont be intentionally overoffensive, say, something an 11 year old would find funny like "Vagina smasher".

I realized after the fact what the rules were. I think they need to be revised or some kind of consistency needs to apply, because theres ALOT of people with names that go against what the GM in this thread stated.

I dont see a logical reason why names that mean something should not be allowed, were not a strict RP server. Thats just me. I can understand no titles as its something devs and GMs would want to confer on people.

twincannon

06-17-2010, 11:24 AM

Did you even ever play EQ live?

lol @ eqdruid76 being the judge on names here :p

Eq live was pretty lenient about names, certainly much more than those nazi SoD rules. My friend had a shaman named Safety and he /surname'd Dance, and a GM came pretty quickly and had to change it due to copyright worries. But the GM had no problem changing his surname to "Goggles", lol. Obviously GM's were more of a case-by-case thing back then though and I'm sure someone else might have not approved.

So far this server seems about on par with classic live names as I remember it. Absor and whoever back in the day might have gotten their panties twisted over anyone with a name that didn't sound like it came out of LOTR, but the actual game climate was a mix of clever names and fantasy ones, and no one seemed to mind. I've certainly never seen anyone flip their shit over a surname like "Nicemace", and honestly that's probably more your problem than his if you're going to ignore someone over that. By that ridiculous logic a dwarf with the surname Goodbeard would also be unacceptable.

SchadenFreude

06-17-2010, 05:58 PM

Oh, the irony. I was logged in for about an hour today when I got the following message:

http://www.worldclassconsultants.com/2010-06-17-1645.jpg

If P99 was trying for the true "Classic EQ" experience, congratulations, you have achieved it. This exemplifies everything I remember about Classic EQ.

-- Schade, P99

pickled_heretic

06-17-2010, 06:08 PM

Oh, the irony.

Not really ironic, but yeah I feel your pain.

Edit: I guess it is kind of ironic. Schadenfreude is actually an English word so his reasoning behind your name escaping detection for years is kind of stupid.

Nocte

06-17-2010, 06:13 PM

nevermind.

Uaellaen

06-17-2010, 06:48 PM

Edit: I guess it is kind of ironic. Schadenfreude is actually an English word so his reasoning behind your name escaping detection for years is kind of stupid.

Schadenfreude is a german word ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schadenfreude

please get your facts straight ;) and if i recall, the naming policy says that first and last name can not form words ... so "Schade Nfreude" is definatly against it ... no matter in what language you want to use it ...

Cyrius

06-17-2010, 06:51 PM

Schadenfreude is a german word ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schadenfreude

Exactly this. And by the way Migger, there IS a naming policy and i AM a GM.

And the reason was not that it formed a phrase, but firstname and lastname can not form words or phrases. Clearly this is a word, or do you want to denie this?

pickled_heretic

06-17-2010, 07:04 PM

Schadenfreude is a german word ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schadenfreude

please get your facts straight

Also an English word:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/schadenfreude

Now it is you who must "please get your facts straight."

edit: it's even ironic considering the wikipedia article clearly states that the word is English as well.

Uaellaen

06-17-2010, 07:14 PM

can you not read?
This German word is used as a loanword in English and some other languages

SchadenFreude

06-17-2010, 07:16 PM

Schadenfreude is a word in the english language. True, it is derived from a german word, but that doesn't change that it is, in fact, an english word. It is also allowed on the live servers.

While we are on the topic, "schade" is also a word. It means "harm". Freude is a word that means "joy". Likewise, "schadenfreude" is a word.

What about names that sound like a word? "Bob" could be considered a word, and not a name, since it is what a cork does in the water. "Pat" must not be a valid name either, because it is an action. QUICK! Alert the almight christian God himself so he can right these wrongs! We dont want humans walking the face of the earth with names that are also words in their native tongue! See my earlier post, in this thread no less, where I stated the two most common reasons guides in Classic EQ changed player names. It is very relevant to this incident.

Are we only allowed to create LOTR-sounding names with 15 vowels in them? Is that really what the naming policy is all about? Do we really have to do a /who list in East Commons and identify the 90 percent of names which would not fit your perfect definition of an acceptable name?

Let's try to make P99 into what EQ should have become by fixing the things that the initial release got wrong. We don't need to go around with the name-hammer just because "Thats what guides did in Classic EQ".

pickled_heretic

06-17-2010, 07:20 PM

can you not read?

Schadenfreude is a word in the English dictionary; it can therefore be said that Schadenfreude is an English word based on the highest authority English speakers have.

I don't know how you could make this any more clear than has already been made. Just because Schadenfreude is a German word doesn't mean it isn't also an English word. But since you're having a hard time understanding, I'll provide some more examples of shared German and English words:

angst
kindergarten
sauerkraut
aspirin
blitz
flak

would you like me to go on, or are we finished here?

Uaellaen

06-17-2010, 07:20 PM

then i ask you, why do you need to call your self like a word? Why do people see the need to call them selfs "iamthebigest andbestmotherfucker"? Just pick NAMES use your imagination, or the freaking random generator ... but dont get butthurt if a GM changes your name because its against the naming policy if you choose words / phrases / titles as your name ... quite simple

Uaellaen

06-17-2010, 07:23 PM

Zordana

06-17-2010, 07:23 PM

Also an English word:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/schadenfreude

Now it is you who must "please get your facts straight."

edit: it's even ironic considering the wikipedia article clearly states that the word is English as well.

Schadenfreude is more of a german word than fuck is an english word... it is an german word used in the english language, does that make it an english word? german people often use english words, doesnt mean those words are german!

Schadenfreude has its origin in the germanic language.. so does fuck.. it comes from the word ficken ;)

pickled_heretic

06-17-2010, 07:26 PM

Schadenfreude is more of a german word than fuck is an english word... it is an german word used in the english language, does that make it an english word? german people often use english words, doesnt mean those words are german!

Schadenfreude has its origin in the germanic language.. so does fuck.. it comes from the word ficken ;)

English is a Germanic language. many of the basic rules for umlauts and so forth descent directly from old German. Does that mean that every English word and rule derived from old German is not English?

Please. I don't have time for this nonsense.

Taxi

06-17-2010, 07:27 PM

Are we only allowed to create LOTR-sounding names with 15 vowels in them? Is that really what the naming policy is all about? Do we really have to do a /who list in East Commons and identify the 90 percent of names which would not fit your perfect definition of an acceptable name?

Let's try to make P99 into what EQ should have become by fixing the things that the initial release got wrong. We don't need to go around with the name-hammer just because "Thats what guides did in Classic EQ".

I definitely agree with that. Look, my name is Taxi Driver. Maybe ill get repercussions for lifting my head like that but i think if youre going to have a policy, you cant mix and match like that so bad. I mean come on, half the names i see everywhere have a meaning to it. And i dont see whats bad with that, it makes reading name fun. Would you prefer reading the name "Morning Wood" for a wood elf or "Legolus Rivendall". Ok, i dont mean to try to push for sexual innuendos, but you know what i mean.

You cant argue with the fact that theres load of people in the game right now with a name that means something, its a rock solid argument. You cant just go around renaming people at random, or else whines of favoritism will surface and for good reason. Why me and why not him? Its rock solid.

They should either rename everyone thats in EC, for a week straight and then rename every single toon they see after that with a name that means something or you scrap the policy that names cant mean something. My vote is on number 2.

Zordana

06-17-2010, 07:28 PM

and what is all the fuss about?
its good that you had this name on live.. but this is a private server.. if the GMs/Developers wish, they could just ban you for not liking how you write and its their fully right since its THEIR thing and they are so nice and let you play on it ;)

pickled_heretic

06-17-2010, 07:29 PM

Just because a word is used in another language, does not mean it belongs to that language, as stated in wiki schadenfreude is merly a loanword, and it does NOT belong into the english language ...

all the ones you named are GERMAN words, just because you use them in english does not mean they are english words .. i dont claim that whenever i use "shit" or "fuck" that those are german words, just because i and millions others use them on a daily basis ...

Schadenfreude = English word. It's in the English dictionary, I don't know how more plain and simple it can get.

Guys, we can't call them geese anymore. The Germans called and they want their ablaut back; we're going to have to call them gooses.

Zordana

06-17-2010, 07:31 PM

Why me and why not him?

"he" had luck.. "you" didnt.. as soon as the gms see "him", "he" will most likely lose "his" name too :>

Cyrius

06-17-2010, 07:33 PM

I definitely agree with that. Look, my name is Taxi Driver. Maybe ill get repercussions for lifting my head like that but i think if youre going to have a policy, you cant mix and match like that so bad. I mean come on, half the names i see everywhere have a meaning to it. And i dont see whats bad with that, it makes reading name fun. Would you prefer reading the name "Morning Wood" for a wood elf or "Legolus Rivendall". Ok, i dont mean to try to push for sexual innuendos, but you know what i mean.

You cant argue with the fact that theres load of people in the game right now with a name that means something, its a rock solid argument. You cant just go around renaming people at random, or else whines of favoritism will surface and for good reason. Why me and why not him? Its rock solid.

They should either rename everyone thats in EC, for a week straight and then rename every single toon they see after that with a name that means something or you scrap the policy that names cant mean something. My vote is on number 2.

Just wait till i see you online =) I can not rename everyone that is against the policy at once. There are several thousand characters, and it takes forever to spot them all. But whenever i receive a petition from someone with such a name, i take the opportunity and rename them.

The same happens when i see someone while im idle. Sometimes i have other priorities then renaming people, or do you want me to ignore stuck characters until i am done renaming everyone in my sight?

The policy will not be scrapped, it will be enforced. You can help out if you petition characters with such names, and this is no favorism. Sooner or later i will get you all :cool:

Taxi

06-17-2010, 07:36 PM

pickled_heretic

06-17-2010, 07:39 PM

Please, so you mean to tell me that this thread here:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=9628

If i check every single name in these screenshots, they were all changed? Because obviously you couldnt miss a name like "Astro Physics". So turning people into frogs takes precedence over enforcing naming rules?

By all means, i dont mean to push the naming policy because i dont think theres a logical reason because i think names like "Astro Physics" are cool. And you should be doing fun stuff like turning people into frogs instead of enforcing a rule that doesnt make sense and half the server breaks anyway.

And i dont mean to pick a fight with a GM on the forums, but come on.

I said earlier in this thread that it's just a matter of getting randomly struck by lightning. I stick to that assertion. Fully 80% or more of the names on this server violate the naming TOS, it's just a matter of being at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Cyrius

06-17-2010, 07:40 PM

Zordana

06-17-2010, 07:42 PM

Seriously, i am a volunteer. When i go arround and give out illusions it is MY play time, i do this occasionaly since after playing kindergarten teacher for you guys for 12+ hours a day i sometimes need fun too.

Renaming people is not my highest priority. But like i said sooner or later i get you all.

guys, be happy we have GMs like this, srsly, this is a friggn GAME, games are made to be FUN, the only reason we play this game is FUN, so just be glad to have even more fun running around as frogs or climbing up secrets (boat) in EC ;D

Taxi

06-17-2010, 07:42 PM

Seriously, i am a volunteer. When i go arround and give out illusions it is MY play time, i do this occasionaly since after playing kindergarten teacher for you guys for 12+ hours a day i sometimes need fun too.

Renaming people is not my highest priority. But like i said sooner or later i get you all.

Ok, thats what i mean though, you should be doing fun stuff like that :D

So i guess ill start thinking about my new name lol

pickled_heretic

06-17-2010, 07:50 PM

Seriously, i am a volunteer. When i go arround and give out illusions it is MY play time, i do this occasionaly since after playing kindergarten teacher for you guys for 12+ hours a day i sometimes need fun too.

Renaming people is not my highest priority. But like i said sooner or later i get you all.

Lol. There's so much irony in this thread it's bursting at the seams.

Froglok raid screenshots have a guy named "eternal damnation" in them. LOLOLOL.

pickled_heretic

06-17-2010, 07:53 PM

Hahaha. There's another one in there named Stonewall Jackson.

Cyrius

06-17-2010, 07:55 PM

Lol. There's so much irony in this thread it's bursting at the seams.

Froglok raid screenshots have a guy named "eternal damnation" in them. LOLOLOL.

If you continue to push me i will make sure to go out of my way to rename every single one of you that does not fit the naming policy. I told you, when i give out illusions it is MY play time, and i do not rename people in MY play time, i try to goof arround with them, and i dont even look at the names!

pickled_heretic

06-17-2010, 07:57 PM

If you continue to push me i will make sure to go out of my way to rename every single one of you that does not fit the naming policy. I told you, when i give out illusions it is MY play time, and i do not rename people in MY play time, i try to goof arround with them, and i dont even look at the names!

Well, you can consider this an official "push" because the double standards are bullshit as far as i'm concerned.. If enough people get pissed off, the naming policy will get reformed.

Cyrius

06-17-2010, 07:58 PM

Well, you can consider this an official "push" because the double standards are bullshit as far as i'm concerned.. If enough people get pissed off, the naming policy will get reformed.

We will see =)

pickled_heretic

06-17-2010, 08:00 PM

We will see =)

So you're saying you endorse double standards? There's no problem with a guy named Stonewall Jackson or Eternal Damnation because he's part of your little pet raid and/or guild and it's all cool but any time some random guy has a name related to an esoteric German expression you've got to change it?

ooantipostoo

06-17-2010, 08:01 PM

Cyrius

06-17-2010, 08:03 PM

I have explained my self more then enought here, i do not care what you think or who you think you are. I explained when i rename people and why, if you have a name against the naming policy and i notice it, you will be renamed unless i am busy with other petitions.

This is not gonna change, this is not a double standard, its called prioritizing.

Taxi

06-17-2010, 08:06 PM

I bet if you make me a GM right now, and i start slapping people in EC with renames, i will still be at it 6 hours from now, but eventually i would see the end of it, and probably will have pissed off half the server while doing so. I dont think its important enough to waste GM time on this and more importantly, I cant understand the logic behind names not meaning something because clearly people like having them and i like to read funny names too.

Im not gonna argue over this long because i dont think its an important issue, but you will save yourselves alot of frustration and headaches and pissed off people if you take a decision right now. If youre gonna do it just set aside a day where this is the order of the day, and slap everyone you see in EC with renames for half a day.

Because there is basically no renaming thats going on, and since people arent slapped with renames, they dont feel the sting, they are still gonna continue to make toons with names that mean something and youll never see the end of it, and on top of that make players who got slapped with renames feel like they were picked on and youre being unfair, even if its not true.

Zordana

06-17-2010, 08:06 PM

your a tool....Cyrius is the man

^this

SchadenFreude

06-17-2010, 08:08 PM

If you continue to push me i will make sure to go out of my way to rename every single one of you that does not fit the naming policy. I told you, when i give out illusions it is MY play time, and i do not rename people in MY play time, i try to goof arround with them, and i dont even look at the names!

You fit squarely into the definition of "Guide on a power trip". This is your sandbox. You can keep it. I am just glad it only took me a month to identify that P99 is the worst of everything that drove players away from "Classic EQ", right down to the power tripping guides.

Cyrius

06-17-2010, 08:13 PM

You fit squarely into the definition of "Guide on a power trip". This is your sandbox. You can keep it. I am just glad it only took me a month to identify that P99 is the worst of everything that drove players away from "Classic EQ", right down to the power tripping guides.

You are so wrong, i am simply following the rules, like everyone else should, then i would not be needed at all.

astarothel

06-17-2010, 08:41 PM

Combo

06-18-2010, 12:07 AM

Frankly I think the cheesy RP names are worse than the clever names (like the mentioned Astro Physics). Tweenager D&D Fourth Edition tripe like Xaynada Darkstrider or whatever causes my eyes to roll involuntarily.

The only thing worse than D&D paperback novel names are racist/sexist/homophobic names. And the only thing worse than those are ones that reference marijuana usage.

Pheer

06-18-2010, 02:17 AM

I like how the "naming policy" keeps getting mentioned yet the only server rule referencing player names just says they can't be offensive. The only policy cyrius seems to be following is his own personal opinion of acceptable names. I'd very much like to see a post from nilbog or rogean on this and see what they think of the situation, as this name holocaust is pretty retarded.

Also lol at all you roleplayers with fantasy names cheering this ridiculousness on, just because you want to feel like youre a magical elf in a mysterious forest and then someone named taxi driver or astro physics runs by and ruins it for you doesn't mean everyone should have to change their name to preserve your immersion.

Of course even if nilbog or rogean didnt care too much about names that form phrases and such I'm sure theyll just back up cyrius anyway since its easier than dealing with the people who would whine for their names back if they asked him to stop nerfing non offensive names.

SchadenFreude

06-18-2010, 10:10 AM

... i do not care what you think ...

... if you have a name against the naming policy and i notice it, you will be renamed ...

The server rules only reference the word "name" in one place:

- Character renaming can and will occur if a player’s name is offensive. (GM Discretion)

The rules say nothing about Roleplaying names, nothing about phrases, nor anything about any of the arguments you used to support your knee-jerk, abuse-of-powers actions. You seem to think that everything in "Classic EQ" needs to be replicated on P99, right down to the guide program that ruined EQ the first time around.

I don't expect you to do the right thing and back off from your crusade. You will probably just change the rules to make your actions "legal" on P99. It would be nothing new; the exact same thing happened to me on the Live servers in the days of "Classic EQ v1.0".

JaVeDK

06-18-2010, 10:40 AM

"Character renaming can and will occur if a player’s name is offensive. (GM Discretion)"

This clearly states that it is up to the individual GM (and therefore assumingly by extension also guide) to decide what names they find offensive.

The definition of offensive according to Webster is something: "causing displeasure or resentment". If it is the aim of the server to preserve a fantasy environment (which would be logical since this is a fantasy game), then a name that obviously does not fit the setting can be considered offensive to that end.

Zordana

06-18-2010, 10:49 AM

The server rules only reference the word "name" in one place:

The rules say nothing about Roleplaying names, nothing about phrases, nor anything about any of the arguments you used to support your knee-jerk, abuse-of-powers actions. You seem to think that everything in "Classic EQ" needs to be replicated on P99, right down to the guide program that ruined EQ the first time around.

I don't expect you to do the right thing and back off from your crusade. You will probably just change the rules to make your actions "legal" on P99. It would be nothing new; the exact same thing happened to me on the Live servers in the days of "Classic EQ v1.0".

stop posting, it hurts to read that

Dumesh Uhl'Belk

06-18-2010, 11:01 AM

I don't expect you to do the right thing and back off from your crusade.

"Do the right thing"? really?!? You're mustering an awful lot of righteous indignation over the letters that identify your avatar in a game you don't even pay for. Yeah, actually, that's the real point. You don't pay for this. You don't own it.

Someone else set up a playground and said, "Hey you can come use this for free, at my discretion." So, you look at all the toys and slides and think it's a pretty cool looking place to hang out. So you come in and play for awhile, but then you do something that the owner's chaperon sees and doesn't like. The chaperon says, "Change this, or you'll have to leave." Now you have a choice. Is playing in the playground still worth it to you if you have to have different letters above your head? It's a "yes" or "no". The bottom line is that this is not your playground, so you don't make the rules. The owner didn't say, "Hey, I'm making this cool playground thing and I want a bunch of people to come in and help decide what the rules are going to be."

Basically what I am saying here is that you have not been wronged. You are not a victim. If you want to be able to have the name Shadenfreude, then you ought to approach the issue by asking the devs politely and privately if they will allow it. Claiming moral outrage when there is no cause for it just makes you look foolish, or like someone trying to start a movement.

pickled_heretic

06-18-2010, 11:19 AM

"Do the right thing"? really?!? You're mustering an awful lot of righteous indignation over the letters that identify your avatar in a game you don't even pay for. Yeah, actually, that's the real point. You don't pay for this. You don't own it.

They couldn't charge for it if they wanted to, so I'm not sure what point you're getting at.

The real issue is that cyrius is enforcing a nonexistant naming policy. Fine. Whatever. Let's get it codified and enforced and see how long it lasts.

Right now, we're seeing sunshine enforcement where a few people get their names changed once a month when it is fun and convenient to do so while the vast majority of legitimately offensive names remain untouched and preferential treatment is granted toward some members. The fact that cyrius threatened to begin actually enforcing the rules a few posts ago is proof of this. If the current enforcement was globalized and made consistent, the possibility of enough 'moral outrage' for a 'movement' (if you insist on using those words) is very real.

Kainzo

06-18-2010, 12:16 PM

lol @ eqdruid76 being the judge on names here :p

Eq live was pretty lenient about names, certainly much more than those nazi SoD rules. My friend had a shaman named Safety and he /surname'd Dance, and a GM came pretty quickly and had to change it due to copyright worries. But the GM had no problem changing his surname to "Goggles", lol. Obviously GM's were more of a case-by-case thing back then though and I'm sure someone else might have not approved.

So far this server seems about on par with classic live names as I remember it. Absor and whoever back in the day might have gotten their panties twisted over anyone with a name that didn't sound like it came out of LOTR, but the actual game climate was a mix of clever names and fantasy ones, and no one seemed to mind. I've certainly never seen anyone flip their shit over a surname like "Nicemace", and honestly that's probably more your problem than his if you're going to ignore someone over that. By that ridiculous logic a dwarf with the surname Goodbeard would also be unacceptable.

On Live the naming policy was not lenient, if someone had a problem with a name, it was changed if it didnt meet the naming policy, meaning SOMEONE had to petition it first. Dwarves could easily have the name "goodbeard" because it works into Lore and racial features. Bronzebeard/etc were names of dwarves in EQ lore.

To note: On live, my brother had a mage named "Seyton", it was later changed when he was 53 because it was a common place name for the play MacBeth. 3 years later the name change was reverted back to Seyton, because my brother pronounced it differently and had no association with Macbeth and actually the sound of "say-tan" etc... Strangely enough, I was able to get the name "Disposablehero" without any objection from GM's or Guides. My entire crew on Rathe (cousins/friends) all were surnamed "Disposablehero" and some even had the guide change their existing TO "Disposablehero". At first glance I would think it violated the phrasing policy, but it meets the same expectations that "bronzebeard" and so forth held (in their eyes).

The naming policy for EQ are much different from WoW. A lot of players do not understand this. WoW's naming policy / restrictions are almost nil. If its not racist / swearing then its A-OKAY! EverQuest guides and GM's had a different take on it. They believed that the naming conventions should be appropriate for the GAME and not the RL era/year they players hailed from.

A name such as "Tindel Oakenleaf" would be alright. However, if someone chose ChrisM Peepants, it was a direct violation of the naming policy. Common sense is the best use for naming your character. I know you may think its witty and smart to name yourself phrases such as "Ilikeyou Butnotinthatway" but it's really just a cry for attention from the player. Have some respect for yourself and dive into your character, take pride in what you name yourself.

I was the Senior Guide (Asmog) for the Bertox server and then later SWAT team CSR program. I know the naming policy quite well and if I dug around enough, I may even be able to find the old manuals on when and why to change player's name and surnames. Only a SENIOR guide+ could change the FIRST name of a player.

Taxi

06-18-2010, 12:29 PM

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A name such as "Tindel Oakenleaf" would be alright. However, if someone chose ChrisM Peepants, it was a direct violation of the naming policy. Common sense is the best use for naming your character. I know you may think its witty and smart to name yourself phrases such as "Ilikeyou Butnotinthatway" but it's really just a cry for attention from the player. Have some respect for yourself and dive into your character, take pride in what you name yourself.

Why does anyone not in favor of names meaning something have to pick the most retarded and immature names to try to prove their point? My name isnt "Vagina Smasher" allrite? "Astro Physics" isnt "Brown Buttnugget"

Ihealyou

06-18-2010, 12:31 PM

While I'm fine with GMs changing names, I agree that the official rules need to be updated. I played on other emu servers before coming here, and they all have pretty much the same naming rules as the "official" one here. On those servers, as long as your name wasn't racist, overtly sexual, or a bunch of swear words, it was fine. Names like Dpsftw, Freehugs, Ihealyou, etc. were perfectly acceptable and not uncommon.

As its written now, there's no way for a new player to know the official naming policy without digging through an eight page thread to find a GM comment on it. The first time I even thought about my name violating the policy was when it was changed. If I knew it violated the naming policy, I would have chosen a different name when I made the character.

Save the GMs and players time and trouble by making the naming policy more conspicuous. If you're following the SOE naming rules, put that in the rules in the FAQ. Changing people's names takes up GM time, as well as destroying the reputation built up by the player. Make it easy for new players to know what an acceptable name is, and save everyone a lot of headache later.

Kainzo

06-18-2010, 12:43 PM

I believe that the name policy should be clear, but in the end it is ALWAYS up to the GM/staff on what is appropriate and what is not for the server THEY host.

"Hitme Harderbitz" was a monk on Rathe back in 2000, he had his surname removed but they let him keep his first name. At times, when a player leveled all the way to 50 and no one had a fuss about the name, the GM's let them keep the name. Due to friends listed issues, if a level 50 player was renamed, it was as if he was a ghost on the server. However if it is was extremely offensive or controversial, you can bet your ass it got changed, despite them being level 50.

Here is another case of the naming convention. Names created BEFORE the copyright or product was released were allowed to be kept and grandfathered in. Also on Rathe, there was a cleric named "Redbull". The GM's hit him hard about his name because around 2003-2004, The drink became really big. However, upon further investigation, they allowed him to keep the name because the player "Redbull" had created the name in '99, back when he knew NOTHING about the drink/product line.

These occurrences happened a lot and were taken on a case by case basis. Something that you can associate with your class and race as a roleplaying name, can have phrases. Leons Bronzebeard, would be an acceptable name on the EQ live servers, where as Leons Phelps, probably would be shot down, considering its celeb status to "The Ladies Man."

Pheer

06-18-2010, 01:48 PM

I believe that the name policy should be clear, but in the end it is ALWAYS up to the GM/staff on what is appropriate and what is not for the server THEY host.

I'd like to hear from people on this, has anyone had their phrase/"means something" name changed by any gms apart from cyrius? So far hes the only one Ive heard of nerfing names that weren't offensive. And if its been only him, he doesn't host shit. He's a volunteer gm, its not his server he just helps out with gm services on a volunteer basis. There has been little to no talk from rogean or nilbog about this topic and as it is now it appears we're being held to a policy that doesn't exist in any tangible format except because a particular GM 'says so'. How would you like it if you were penalized for breaking an invisible rule and when bringing it up on the forums you were antagonized by roleplayers that think everyone should have a fantasy name like theirs?

Combo

06-18-2010, 02:09 PM

This all needs to be codified. Having some "if I feel like it" name changing guide running around with his own unwritten laws is one hell of a slippery slope and your players are going to hate you for it. I mean, this guy is apparently getting his name changed because the German guide is offended by the player's use of "German" words. Since there are no clearly stated naming rules, in this case the guide (expressly) changed the name (literally) out of German nationalism. The irony is so thick it's actually hurting my teeth.

guineapig

06-18-2010, 02:21 PM

Seriously, can I have a cleric named Panacea?
I'm so unsure about anything anymore...

pickled_heretic

06-18-2010, 02:30 PM

Seriously, can I have a cleric named Panacea?
I'm so unsure about anything anymore...

Officially, you can have whatever name Cyrius decides you can have. That is the only criterion other than having a non-offensive name. You'll have to ask him if you can keep it.

eqdruid76

06-18-2010, 02:30 PM

At this point, it's gotten so out of hand, I don't think there's much the GMs can do about it.

A lot of people will threaten to ragequit if their retarded names are changed. Whether they do or not is another matter, but they'll certainly bitch about it on here.

There aren't a whole lot of "offensive" names, as defined by the server rules. It's mainly "annoying", "retarded", or "stupid" names, which the majoirity of P99 players have.

/shrug What I find an annoying name may not bother anyone else, though.

Bumamgar

06-18-2010, 03:23 PM

I understand that people are attached to their names for a variety of reasons, and that the prospect of having one's name changed is upsetting to many.

However, the bashing of Cyrius in this thread is unacceptable. He is not acting in a vacuum or arbitrarily changing names on a whim. He is following the same guidelines as the other guides on this server. Guidelines which are nearly identical to the naming guidelines provided to guides on live servers.

These guidelines are currently being reviewed and will be posted publicly soon.

If you feel that your name has been changed incorrectly, a clearly worded polite post in the petition forum is the proper way to address the situation. Angry posts in this forum are not.

Kainzo

06-18-2010, 03:49 PM

Even on live, Senior guides made name changes but always followed the rules/policies, as well as their best judgement.

I don't think there is any foul play involved, if you feel you've been cheated, direct a message to the staff, make a post in the petition forum or get on IRC and rant.

Dumesh Uhl'Belk

06-18-2010, 06:11 PM

They couldn't charge for it if they wanted to, so I'm not sure what point you're getting at.

The point is, we as players are being offered something for free. We are not in a position to haggle. We can approach the people offering us this free stuff and politely ask if they might offer it in a slightly different way, but we have no moral or ethical leg to stand on in demanding that they change anything.

If we were paying customers, we would have legal and ethical rights, but we aren't.

The real issue is that cyrius is enforcing a nonexistant naming policy. Fine. Whatever. Let's get it codified and enforced and see how long it lasts.

According to Bumamgar, the policy is real, even if we are not privy to all the details. Granted, that I have the benefit of his post before responding to you, but you were still making an assumption that because you were not aware of something, that it did not exist.

Right now, we're seeing sunshine enforcement where a few people get their names changed once a month when it is fun and convenient to do so while the vast majority of legitimately offensive names remain untouched and preferential treatment is granted toward some members. The fact that cyrius threatened to begin actually enforcing the rules a few posts ago is proof of this. If the current enforcement was globalized and made consistent, the possibility of enough 'moral outrage' for a 'movement' (if you insist on using those words) is very real.

We are playing on this server at the pleasure of the devs. I'm sure that anyone unwilling to play under the devs terms is welcome to not play. If 400 people want to quit because they can't be named "Astro Physics" or "Cocoa Puffs" or "Autom Aticrifle" or whatever, then P1999 will mostly likely roll right along with 450 people in prime-time instead of 850. As I said, and Bumamgar echoed... the proper way to handle this is a polite petition and/or private message.

We are not paying customers, so we don't have the right to get outraged and make demands of the dev staff, period. Doing otherwise is ungrateful and rude.

Dumesh Uhl'Belk

06-18-2010, 07:17 PM

Pheer

06-18-2010, 08:06 PM

Charms, please fix your quote tags so that it doesn't look like I said the things that you were saying in response.

SoE may have acted as if we had no rights, but we most certainly did under consumer protection laws.

I don't think making the details of the character naming policy public is a bad idea. If I were more concerned about the issue, I might politely (and privately) ask the devs to do so. However, I have no illusions that they owe it to me. If they want to keep that policy private, that is their prerogative.

Are you kidding me? You expect a playerbase to follow an invisible naming policy?

Of course they don't "owe" us anything. We're not entitled to anything but if they *want people to play* then stuff like this has to be handled better. Its retarded to run around punishing people for something that isnt even in the rules yet.

Healthcare

06-18-2010, 08:41 PM

Here's a thread with an awful lot of character names that I think are going to have to be changed:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=10034

Why not just change the blatantly offensive/inappropriate ones and leave the rest be? Otherwise, this name policy needs to be made public and official and everyone should have their name changed.

oldhead

06-18-2010, 11:19 PM

Cyrius

06-18-2010, 11:55 PM

Just be patient, you can read my "invisible rules" soon. This is not something that comes out of thin air, we have been working on it for a while. Again, we are all volunteers, we do not work 24 / 7.

Taxi

06-19-2010, 01:33 AM

Well my name is now Bilbus Baggons, i hope it pleases all the hardcore RPers on the server!

Taxi

06-19-2010, 01:41 AM

So like... all the time i spent buffing noobs, powerleveling random folks, porting people for free, being an all around carebear... that reputation is all byebye, im now some anonymous hobbit with a silly RP name. Not that i did it stricly for that but man.... it does feel like im being picked on because i dared say that either you change all the names or you change the rules is what makes sense.

kariden

06-19-2010, 02:11 AM

I'd like to hear from people on this, has anyone had their phrase/"means something" name changed by any gms apart from cyrius? So far hes the only one Ive heard of nerfing names that weren't offensive. And if its been only him, he doesn't host shit. He's a volunteer gm, its not his server he just helps out with gm services on a volunteer basis. There has been little to no talk from rogean or nilbog about this topic and as it is now it appears we're being held to a policy that doesn't exist in any tangible format except because a particular GM 'says so'. How would you like it if you were penalized for breaking an invisible rule and when bringing it up on the forums you were antagonized by roleplayers that think everyone should have a fantasy name like theirs?

I would tell them to go suck my fucking dick. ONCE the name rules are posted yea I will take a name nerf. BEFORE the rules are posted I'll probably get ban-sticked for speaking out.

It is always best to have the rules being enforced posted on the forums in a manner easy to find and read
This avoids claims of staff favoritism or at least debunks that shit. Hate to see this place turning into another SoD.

Taxi

06-19-2010, 02:29 AM

Just wait till i see you online =) I can not rename everyone that is against the policy at once. There are several thousand characters, and it takes forever to spot them all. But whenever i receive a petition from someone with such a name, i take the opportunity and rename them.

Allrite instead of spamming petitions ill help you do the right thing. Here, ill give you a list. When you get the opportunity, all these people probably have names that need to be changed:

Nurtured hadababyitsaboy, hammer time, sweet cheeks, Kram kingkonginmytrunk, fight club, crackzilla lacedyou, cirrhosis, Astro Physics, Eternal damnation, Ektar DPSmeister, magicflow magicflow, Psyduck stankdankduck, Merllin, Metaversion, Vierge, Prospect, getsome, lessplay, hits, glitch, stumble, upgrayedd, sausagelink, swishahouse swishablast, Macroz Dablack, Heebee Cavalier, Bronson Deathwish, jijika maffaka, taichi, perky nips, sneaktooth sneakwhistle, sweat lodge, peekayyoo leibowitz, symmetry, special, orgazmo, rickjamez, senaeil dasinister, therevenger, skeezer, absolut, skeezerz, infinity, spektrum haspewpew, ghulak puppyslayer, Motrin, goregut fleshripper, kalmy missesalot, Jester, clairvoyant, Tokyo, Teacup, twogirls, onecup, liver, Blocky Balboa, fatch icks, Mordavin Mayhem, priestof, forsale, phatso fosho, evilbaa thesheep, deathgirl, Coolboi, Donaldson Afkdoingdrugs, Scooter, Eashan Enforcer, feign, Uuur Cleric, raiyn, snoogan skywalker, triplesix fallenangel, Talisman, Bootleg, Wonton, Kraizee, stomps, spleenripper, shamwhat madeingermany, nerfed, Mountaineer, Mana, Aadill pickle, Vengeful, Wraith, Bukowski Drinks, Isenguard, itzlegend, Banzo Istrouble, debuff urface, Thunderstruck, Rozie Rotten, Grimskull, Infectious, Porcinet, Grenade, Fizzlefingers, Phunqi, Hasbinbad, Pheersome, Bubbles, Spectre, Amaya Kissesgirls, morestorage.

Actually i suggest you dont do it... i cant imagine the kind of trouble it would cause if you actually went and appeared at random in front of all these people and tell them they have to pick a new name on the spot. I think some real thought needs to be given to this. More thought than not telling me i was about to lose 4 pages of macros.

Or just do it like the EC tunnel. One day wipe, everyone loses their name with GMs in EC going BANG! rename BANG! rename BANG! on and on. With how it is right now youre just gonna piss people off and attract whines of favoritism. And please, does it really matter if i call myself Taxee Draivur? Seriously?

My suggestion is that the rule be that only offensive names will be removed, and that Devs/GMs make the call of whats offensive and it is final. There must be something better to do with GM time than this.

Lord Adamyte

06-19-2010, 04:16 AM

I'm rather interested in seeing an actual list myself.

wangerinlee

06-19-2010, 04:18 AM

I may as well start thinking of another for my toon then if they gonna crack down. I always love the name "Priapism" lv 19 shammy, look me up =D

Cyrius

06-19-2010, 08:09 AM

Nice list, will be some work for me!

Aarone

06-19-2010, 09:44 AM

Ok, thats what i mean though, you should be doing fun stuff like that :D

So i guess ill start thinking about my new name lol

I vote for Travis Bickle ;)

http://www.project1999.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=17&pictureid=146

frefaln

06-19-2010, 10:21 AM

I guess I would fall under the category of Uptight Name Nazi. Original Norrath is more or less sacred ground to me now, so when I see toons named "Hivpositive" or "Wowisbetter" (both names I've actually seen in the last two weeks), yes, it does irritate me.

I understand that such irritation comes across to some as taking the game too seriously, being a cranky curmudgeon, etc. But I'm in my mid-30s and have learned that, yes, sometimes even a fantasy world can call for a little bit of dignity. There are many, many games and places where people can use whatever toilet-humor names they want — can't P99 be the one place where players establish a healthy respect for the spirit of the community?

JaVeDK

06-19-2010, 10:33 AM

For the record my rogue alt's name Teatime is pronounced "Teh-ah-tim-eh" ...

astarothel

06-19-2010, 10:34 AM

can't P99 be the one place where players establish a healthy respect for the spirit of the community?

You're new here. I won't be the one to shatter your dreams though, you'll have to find some person or group on your own to manage that.

Barkingturtle

06-19-2010, 10:38 AM

But I'm in my mid-30s and have learned that, yes, sometimes even a fantasy world can call for a little bit of dignity.

Even a fantasy world where the highest achievers among us are referred to lovingly as "poopsockers"?

Dignity, indeed!

Frankly, I enjoy a well done humorous name. I don't care if it's a phrase or a take on a real-world name or double entendre so long as it is clever enough to make me smirk. Now, "Hivpositive, Wowisbetter, Niglipz, Presidentobama, Nigplz(I've been leveling in Tox, obviously)" are all bad names. However, I like having characters named Herpules Weepingsores and Avulva Dentata and Allakhazam Dotcom and so on and so forth. It seems likely to me that the naming policies on live games are moreso to protect game makers from liability than to protect gamers' immersion, so I'm just not sure what the issue is here on p1999. If I were enforcing the policy here, I'd be inclined to err on the side of caution when forcing name changes. I'd eliminate the most egregious offenders and let those on the edge slide.

astarothel

06-19-2010, 10:42 AM

A pretty good chunk of those on Taxi's list would be fine stand alones, just need a last name nerf to follow the rules. I know Aadill mentioned before that his name is one that pops up on the random name generator.

Pheer

06-19-2010, 10:47 AM

Allrite instead of spamming petitions ill help you do the right thing. Here, ill give you a list. When you get the opportunity, all these people probably have names that need to be changed:

Nurtured hadababyitsaboy, hammer time, sweet cheeks, Kram kingkonginmytrunk, fight club, crackzilla lacedyou, cirrhosis, Astro Physics, Eternal damnation, Ektar DPSmeister, magicflow magicflow, Psyduck stankdankduck, Merllin, Metaversion, Vierge, Prospect, getsome, lessplay, hits, glitch, stumble, upgrayedd, sausagelink, swishahouse swishablast, Macroz Dablack, Heebee Cavalier, Bronson Deathwish, jijika maffaka, taichi, perky nips, sneaktooth sneakwhistle, sweat lodge, peekayyoo leibowitz, symmetry, special, orgazmo, rickjamez, senaeil dasinister, therevenger, skeezer, absolut, skeezerz, infinity, spektrum haspewpew, ghulak puppyslayer, Motrin, goregut fleshripper, kalmy missesalot, Jester, clairvoyant, Tokyo, Teacup, twogirls, onecup, liver, Blocky Balboa, fatch icks, Mordavin Mayhem, priestof, forsale, phatso fosho, evilbaa thesheep, deathgirl, Coolboi, Donaldson Afkdoingdrugs, Scooter, Eashan Enforcer, feign, Uuur Cleric, raiyn, snoogan skywalker, triplesix fallenangel, Talisman, Bootleg, Wonton, Kraizee, stomps, spleenripper, shamwhat madeingermany, nerfed, Mountaineer, Mana, Aadill pickle, Vengeful, Wraith, Bukowski Drinks, Isenguard, itzlegend, Banzo Istrouble, debuff urface, Thunderstruck, Rozie Rotten, Grimskull, Infectious, Porcinet, Grenade, Fizzlefingers, Phunqi, Hasbinbad, Pheersome, Bubbles, Spectre, Amaya Kissesgirls, morestorage.

Actually i suggest you dont do it... i cant imagine the kind of trouble it would cause if you actually went and appeared at random in front of all these people and tell them they have to pick a new name on the spot. I think some real thought needs to be given to this. More thought than not telling me i was about to lose 4 pages of macros.

Or just do it like the EC tunnel. One day wipe, everyone loses their name with GMs in EC going BANG! rename BANG! rename BANG! on and on. With how it is right now youre just gonna piss people off and attract whines of favoritism. And please, does it really matter if i call myself Taxee Draivur? Seriously?

My suggestion is that the rule be that only offensive names will be removed, and that Devs/GMs make the call of whats offensive and it is final. There must be something better to do with GM time than this.

Nice list, will be some work for me!

Great job taxi, just cause yours got nerfed doesnt mean you need to rat others out :rolleyes:

Barkingturtle

06-19-2010, 10:51 AM

I think we can all agree that Perky Nips is acceptable, too.

Taxi

06-19-2010, 11:43 AM

Great job taxi, just cause yours got nerfed doesnt mean you need to rat others out :rolleyes:

My intent was to show the absurdity of the situation, where half the server has names that mean something, not give him a list. It was more like, allrite, go and be the most hated GM in the history of the universe and annoy all these people lol. And Cyrius if youre seriously gonna rename all these players, for gods sake tell them they are going to lose their UI and macros in advance, a consolation illusion is not going to cut it lol.

Bumamgar

06-19-2010, 11:53 AM

You can simply rename your Charname_project1999.ini and UI_Charname_project1999.ini files to Newname_project1999.ini and UI_Newname_project1999.ini to retain your UI and macros.

mr.miketastic

06-19-2010, 11:55 AM

I saw a Female monk yesterday named Vulvazela I laughed.

Taxi

06-19-2010, 11:56 AM

You can simply rename your Charname_project1999.ini and UI_Charname_project1999.ini files to Newname_project1999.ini and UI_Newname_project1999.ini to retain your UI and macros.

He should tell them that before wiping their toon's UI. Considering, unless im wrong, this is a rule that isnt written anywhere in the official rules. I cant beleive hes going to go and change all these names. What a waste of GM time. And unless more than 1 GM is on it and for hours and hours, its a total waste of time because unless theres a real concerted effort on renames, its never going to stop. Its like removing global OOC and letting people create private channels.

nilbog

06-19-2010, 01:10 PM

He should tell them that before wiping their toon's UI. Considering, unless im wrong, this is a rule that isnt written anywhere in the official rules. I cant beleive hes going to go and change all these names.

You need to calm down.

If you want to get technical, it is in the rules.

Server Rules thread.
- Character renaming can and will occur if a player’s name is offensive. (GM Discretion)http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1057

Definition of offensive:
Causing anger, displeasure, resentment, or affrontDefinition of discretion:
freedom or authority to make judgments and to act as one sees fit (esp in the phrases at one's own discretion, at the discretion of)With that being said, he is following almost the exact same naming policy as live GMs used.

We will post more formal rules when we can. (Yeah I don't give a fuck how soon anyone thinks I should do it. The name policies are being reviewed by the Developers and guides.)

What a waste of GM time. And unless more than 1 GM is on it and for hours and hours, its a total waste of time because unless theres a real concerted effort on renames, its never going to stop. Its like removing global OOC and letting people create private channels.
Is there really a waste of volunteer time? When I pass by the Salvation Army should I tell them they are wasting their time, because they will never be able to feed all the hungry people? Anyways, this isn't at the forefront, nor will it be. Petitions are done in a triage manner of urgent to non-urgent. If your name gets changed, it might be because someone petitioned against it, or you happen to pass by a Guide or GM. No one is out looking for them.

To me, it looks like you were trying to call a bluff, and it didn't work out in your favor.

ooantipostoo

06-19-2010, 01:18 PM

Allrite instead of spamming petitions ill help you do the right thing. Here, ill give you a list. When you get the opportunity, all these people probably have names that need to be changed:

Nurtured hadababyitsaboy, hammer time, sweet cheeks, Kram kingkonginmytrunk, fight club, crackzilla lacedyou, cirrhosis, Astro Physics, Eternal damnation, Ektar DPSmeister, magicflow magicflow, Psyduck stankdankduck, Merllin, Metaversion, Vierge, Prospect, getsome, lessplay, hits, glitch, stumble, upgrayedd, sausagelink, swishahouse swishablast, Macroz Dablack, Heebee Cavalier, Bronson Deathwish, jijika maffaka, taichi, perky nips, sneaktooth sneakwhistle, sweat lodge, peekayyoo leibowitz, symmetry, special, orgazmo, rickjamez, senaeil dasinister, therevenger, skeezer, absolut, skeezerz, infinity, spektrum haspewpew, ghulak puppyslayer, Motrin, goregut fleshripper, kalmy missesalot, Jester, clairvoyant, Tokyo, Teacup, twogirls, onecup, liver, Blocky Balboa, fatch icks, Mordavin Mayhem, priestof, forsale, phatso fosho, evilbaa thesheep, deathgirl, Coolboi, Donaldson Afkdoingdrugs, Scooter, Eashan Enforcer, feign, Uuur Cleric, raiyn, snoogan skywalker, triplesix fallenangel, Talisman, Bootleg, Wonton, Kraizee, stomps, spleenripper, shamwhat madeingermany, nerfed, Mountaineer, Mana, Aadill pickle, Vengeful, Wraith, Bukowski Drinks, Isenguard, itzlegend, Banzo Istrouble, debuff urface, Thunderstruck, Rozie Rotten, Grimskull, Infectious, Porcinet, Grenade, Fizzlefingers, Phunqi, Hasbinbad, Pheersome, Bubbles, Spectre, Amaya Kissesgirls, morestorage.

Actually i suggest you dont do it... i cant imagine the kind of trouble it would cause if you actually went and appeared at random in front of all these people and tell them they have to pick a new name on the spot. I think some real thought needs to be given to this. More thought than not telling me i was about to lose 4 pages of macros.

Or just do it like the EC tunnel. One day wipe, everyone loses their name with GMs in EC going BANG! rename BANG! rename BANG! on and on. With how it is right now youre just gonna piss people off and attract whines of favoritism. And please, does it really matter if i call myself Taxee Draivur? Seriously?

My suggestion is that the rule be that only offensive names will be removed, and that Devs/GMs make the call of whats offensive and it is final. There must be something better to do with GM time than this.

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/photo/79913-StopSnitchingTop.jpg

Taxi

06-19-2010, 01:30 PM

To me, it looks like you were trying to call a bluff, and it didn't work out in your favor.

If you think what im trying to do here is save my name... fine.

Shannacore

06-19-2010, 01:49 PM

RIP Taxi

Bones

06-19-2010, 01:55 PM

If you think what im trying to do here is save my name... fine.
It's like when a kid gets in trouble for doing something, you don't like being the only person in trouble for something others have done too... so you start tattling... "Well he did it too! Why isn't he in trouble?"

Gamkek

06-19-2010, 01:57 PM

What about names that sound like a word? "Bob" could be considered a word, and not a name, since it is what a cork does in the water. "Pat" must not be a valid name either, because it is an action. QUICK! Alert the almight christian God himself so he can right these wrongs! We dont want humans walking the face of the earth with names that are also words in their native tongue! See my earlier post, in this thread no less, where I stated the two most common reasons guides in Classic EQ changed player names. It is very relevant to this incident.

Wow, really, really reaching aren't we?

This is a pretty sad display of butt-hurtedness.

The rule is pretty damn simple, I think. Your first name and last name cannot form a word/phrase. It doesn't get much clearer than that. How can you argue against this when Schade Nfreude is clearly breaking this rule?

You're making yourself look like an idiot.

Gamkek

06-19-2010, 02:00 PM

Taxi

06-19-2010, 02:35 PM

It's like when a kid gets in trouble for doing something, you don't like being the only person in trouble for something others have done too... so you start tattling... "Well he did it too! Why isn't he in trouble?"

Actually i was trying to show the absurdity of the situation. What really ticked me off though is the vindictiveness of Cyrius's reaction "Just wait till i see you online =)" and how it could be viewed as power tripping when he doesnt tell me my UI and Macros were about to be wiped (something he must have known was gonna happen).

Also Nilbog quoting "If name are offensive we will change them" and "at GMs discretion" is a weak argument to try to justify that "Taxi Driver" was changed. Just ditch the offensive part and just say that GMs can remove your name if you dont respect their authoritay on the forums.

I will not discuss this matter further, have fun flaming and painting me as a buttsore baby.

oldhead

06-19-2010, 02:47 PM

I will BOLD ones that should be changed... and leave alone ones I would find acceptable if I were a Guide.

Allrite instead of spamming petitions ill help you do the right thing. Here, ill give you a list. When you get the opportunity, all these people probably have names that need to be changed:

Nurtured hadababyitsaboy, hammer time, sweet cheeks, Kram kingkonginmytrunk, fight club, crackzilla lacedyou, cirrhosis, Astro Physics, Eternal damnation, Ektar DPSmeister, magicflow magicflow, Psyduck stankdankduck, Merllin, Metaversion, Vierge, Prospect, getsome, lessplay, hits, glitch, stumble, upgrayedd, sausagelink, swishahouse swishablast, Macroz Dablack, Heebee Cavalier, Bronson Deathwish, jijika maffaka, taichi, perky nips, sneaktooth sneakwhistle, sweat lodge, peekayyoo leibowitz, symmetry, special, orgazmo, rickjamez, senaeil dasinister, therevenger, skeezer, absolut, skeezerz, infinity, spektrum haspewpew, ghulak puppyslayer, Motrin, goregut fleshripper, kalmy missesalot, Jester, clairvoyant, Tokyo, Teacup, twogirls, onecup, liver, Blocky Balboa, fatch icks, Mordavin Mayhem, priestof, forsale, phatso fosho, evilbaa thesheep, deathgirl, Coolboi, Donaldson Afkdoingdrugs, Scooter, Eashan Enforcer, feign, Uuur Cleric, raiyn, snoogan skywalker, triplesix fallenangel, Talisman, Bootleg, Wonton, Kraizee, stomps, spleenripper, shamwhat madeingermany, nerfed, Mountaineer, Mana, Aadill pickle, Vengeful, Wraith, Bukowski Drinks, Isenguard, itzlegend, Banzo Istrouble, debuff urface, Thunderstruck, Rozie Rotten, Grimskull, Infectious, Porcinet, Grenade, Fizzlefingers, Phunqi, Hasbinbad, Pheersome, Bubbles, Spectre, Amaya Kissesgirls, morestorage.

Actually i suggest you dont do it... i cant imagine the kind of trouble it would cause if you actually went and appeared at random in front of all these people and tell them they have to pick a new name on the spot. I think some real thought needs to be given to this. More thought than not telling me i was about to lose 4 pages of macros.

Or just do it like the EC tunnel. One day wipe, everyone loses their name with GMs in EC going BANG! rename BANG! rename BANG! on and on. With how it is right now youre just gonna piss people off and attract whines of favoritism. And please, does it really matter if i call myself Taxee Draivur? Seriously?

My suggestion is that the rule be that only offensive names will be removed, and that Devs/GMs make the call of whats offensive and it is final. There must be something better to do with GM time than this.

ooantipostoo

06-19-2010, 03:00 PM

I will BOLD ones that should be changed... and leave alone ones I would find acceptable if I were a Guide.

But your not a guide just a 12 year old kid thinking he is important.

Back the f**k off people and grow up, just let the guides do there job

Again I repeat stop snitchin

Salute me OR shoot me!

eqdruid76

06-19-2010, 03:18 PM

ooantipostoo

06-19-2010, 03:28 PM

I'm snitching on your possessive pronoun failure.

Their, you're* Just for you!

Bogart

06-19-2010, 03:29 PM

The thing with names online is that primarily they are a tool. And now with vent being widespread they need to be a pronounceable comfortable length (short)and unique-enough(not easily confused with other players). Then realize most people have a collection of alts...

It's going to be a personal affront to players when you change their name after they've been around. It disrupts all the reputation they've gained negative or positive. And it'll make them completely unknown to people that they only dealt with in passing or grouped with once or twice.

I just don't think it's worth the trouble

Cyrius

06-19-2010, 04:33 PM

Actually i was trying to show the absurdity of the situation. What really ticked me off though is the vindictiveness of Cyrius's reaction "Just wait till i see you online =)" and how it could be viewed as power tripping when he doesnt tell me my UI and Macros were about to be wiped (something he must have known was gonna happen).

Also Nilbog quoting "If name are offensive we will change them" and "at GMs discretion" is a weak argument to try to justify that "Taxi Driver" was changed. Just ditch the offensive part and just say that GMs can remove your name if you dont respect their authoritay on the forums.

I will not discuss this matter further, have fun flaming and painting me as a buttsore baby.

I am sorry i forgot to inform you to change your 2 character files. I usualy always do it, and if i forget it, i usualy get tells like "OMG my UI!! QQ", and then i explain it again. I will make sure to remember this better for future name changes. Thank you.

SchadenFreude

06-19-2010, 04:36 PM

My name was acceptable on Live. Something I did not post, but can probably dig up the screenshots for, was a discussion I had with a Sony GM the very first day I created Schaden Freude on the live servers. At level one, I posted a petition asking for a GM to explicitly approve or deny my name (and intended surname). I sat in Gloomingdeep until I got a response (which, oddly enough, only took about 5 minutes. I was shocked). The GM knew what SchadenFreude meant and stated that he not only felt it was an acceptable name, he stated that it was an excellent name for a shadow knight. I did this because I have been through this before and wanted to avoid a power tripping guide with a name-hammer it if was at all possible.

In all of my travels as SchadenFreude, I have never encountered a single person who thought my name fell into the "stupid", "offensive", nor even the non-RP realm. I have always received a positive response for picking this name. Not only does it meet the naming policy from the live servers, it also meets the naming policy on P99 (as is currently defined in the rules).

Stop your silly crusade.

frefaln

06-19-2010, 05:35 PM

... and just as I check on this thread, my toon sits in the EC tunnel staring at someone named "Shitster". About an hour ago I spotted the surname "Butipoopfromthere", and the first name was something along the lines of rear/booty/hiney/whatever. IMO it's getting a little out of hand. Creative names are one thing but it's obvious that 10-year-olds are inspiring each other. I'd like to believe there are at least a few fellow adults out there who understand why an "anything goes" naming policy is not going to contribute to a strong community.

Bogart

06-19-2010, 06:10 PM

frefaln

06-19-2010, 06:12 PM

Nobody is talking about blatantly offensive names at all. Thanks for being adult enough to not cloud the discussion with careless misrepresentation.

"Names that need to be changed"... a phrase used by the OP, so yeah, I'd say it falls within the scope of the discussion. Sorry your little sarcastic reply didn't quite work out the way you'd hoped.

Phatso

06-19-2010, 06:27 PM

o mg, I'm on the list i feel so popular

Bogart

06-19-2010, 06:31 PM

"Names that need to be changed"... a phrase used by the OP, so yeah, I'd say it falls within the scope of the discussion. Sorry your little sarcastic reply didn't quite work out the way you'd hoped.

This thread is 11 pages. You're on an Emulation server of a game 10 years old ranking you in the top echelon of nerdiness, so I'm assuming you're not new to forums. No one is arguing that people should be able to be named Sir Shitsalot. You're adding absolutely nothing except to make the appearance that some people are actually in favor of allowing shit-equse names. And when you pull shit like talking about your "fellow adults" you deserve shit for it.

Shyguy McFly

06-19-2010, 06:54 PM

im assuming a GM said that....

Which GM is the resident name nazi then so I can ask them.

Supreme court judge actually, but hey what do they know.

Daywolf

06-19-2010, 07:11 PM

hmmm… heh removing sig name, this thread only confuses. It’s not “offensive” but kind of a word (class related actually) and seems someone is always “offended” about something. Used the word-name on early live (not Firiona Vie), never had a prob, but who knows… emu’s someone is always crying about something, and I'm sure I'll offend someone in forums (thin-skins) that could snitch-complain in-game. Hope to see this rule list someday before I name my next.

Taxi

06-19-2010, 07:25 PM

I am sorry i forgot to inform you to change your 2 character files. I usualy always do it, and if i forget it, i usualy get tells like "OMG my UI!! QQ", and then i explain it again. I will make sure to remember this better for future name changes. Thank you.

Youre being a QQ baby cuz i wiped your 4 pages of macro, but im sorry. No, really. :rolleyes:

Whatever, imma let you guys sort this shit out before i get a ban.

Healthcare

06-19-2010, 07:42 PM

I understand that the devs don't owe use anything it's their sandbox etc etc but stuff like this just tarnishes the image of this server. I mean honestly, what is wrong with changing the offensive/inappropriate names and leaving the rest be? This sudden name enforcement is going to have to be pretty darn equal among all players no matter how long they've played or else it's just going to seem a tad selective.

That whole reference to being a child that got punished and wants other punished was ridiculous. If you have a bunch of kids doing something and only a few end up getting punished, it would appear to be pretty unfair.

ir0nfist

06-19-2010, 07:43 PM

Personally, I could care less what anyone's name is. The only names I can logically conclude as an issue would be those with meanings that parents wouldn't want their children seeing. Anything beyond that is oppressive in my opinion. If names are being enforced due to a specific vision of a fantasy world, then everything that steps outside of that vision should be enforced. Chat conversations, using letters instead of spelling out what you are trying to say (eg WTS), anything and everything that falls outside of the bounds that are equally set for names. All or none would be the fairest and most logical way to handle it.

frefaln

06-19-2010, 07:46 PM

This thread is 11 pages. You're on an Emulation server of a game 10 years old ranking you in the top echelon of nerdiness, so I'm assuming you're not new to forums. No one is arguing that people should be able to be named Sir Shitsalot. You're adding absolutely nothing except to make the appearance that some people are actually in favor of allowing shit-equse names. And when you pull shit like talking about your "fellow adults" you deserve shit for it.

:rolleyes:

Danth

06-19-2010, 07:58 PM

'The only names I can logically conclude as an issue would be those with meanings that parents wouldn't want their children seeing.'

No, please, no.

I dislike stupid names. The name I use in role-playing games is (by design) about as generic as they come. But 'think of teh children' strikes me as the worst, most inane argument out there. The entirety of humanity shouldn't be stuck living in a G-rated world just to protect the delicate sensibilities of 6-year olds and their frightened soccer mom parents. This particularly applies to an emulator server of a game that was made before today's little children were even born.

I vote for restricting dumb names because they're moving eyesores--the video game equivalent of roaming graffiti. They're annoying and ugly to *normal* people; whether they're objectional to 6 year olds remains wholly irrelevant.

All that being said, I've never reported any name, be it here or in any other game. While I have my opinions on the matter, those opinions aren't strong enough to motivate me to go out of my way trying to police such things.

Danth

Nocte

06-19-2010, 08:06 PM

Olorin

06-19-2010, 08:43 PM

Well my name is now Bilbus Baggons, i hope it pleases all the hardcore RPers on the server!

Worse than taxi imo ....

Toony

06-19-2010, 08:47 PM

Olorin

06-19-2010, 09:06 PM

The more you tighten your grip, Lord Vader, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.

If a rule percieved to be mostly unimportant is over-enforced, we may see an influx of rebellious names because players know they outnumber the devs by a wide margin. P

Im in full support of naming policies in general -- i see enough irl stuff in my real life, I like to not think about it so much in my gaming. I would prefer to SoD like enforcement honestly.

Problem is most of the people that feel this way dont hang on the forums.

Nocte

06-20-2010, 03:28 AM

Yet those players don't have the right to pick and choose how the servers run.

I'm only suggesting that over-enforcement of a naming policy will probably lead to people intentionally making offensive/inappropriate names just to get away with it and try to prove some point. Clearly, there isn't much of an automated filter for character names, so it all falls on the volunteer staff to police player names. That said, the potential exists that over-enforcement (player-perceived or otherwise) might indirectly spawn more inappropriate names than there were to begin with.

siri

06-20-2010, 04:33 AM

it's good that this is being discussed. there are some really awful names on this server, and some are pretty high level.

anyone who thinks there should be leniency for retarded but non-offensive names, please try to remember this is still an RPG and its a little more fun when you don't see stupid shit like...

Claytonbigsby
HIVpositive
Hellaboreman
Pimpydeluxe
Hurtsbro
Rockk Lobster
Fatbody Byjake

there's a lot more.

Gorgetrapper

06-20-2010, 08:25 AM

Lol I saw Buglyfitch last night, I chuckled a little and that was the end of that, and then just got annoyed by the name.

a2j2t

06-20-2010, 09:26 PM

I was renamed from a name I had way back in the year 1999 from EQLive. Who cares? Is it really making you sit here, at your computers, gritting your teeth in anger? Yeah, it's a little irritating at first, I admit, but did your Project 1999 character name really have an impact on your life? Really people, grow up. I totally believe the name rechanging stuff is rediculous, but I just bite my tongue, and move on. A life lesson some of these people should learn.

SchadenFreude

06-21-2010, 07:24 AM

A name is an identity. It is the only facet of the character that isn't merely a bunch of pixels, of ones and zeros, hosted on some remote server. Changing a name is akin to assassinating a reputation, of erasing "player to player" faction that has been carefully cultivated over time.

Changing a name, especially under the current circumstances, is also a blatant abuse of power. Yes, it is their sand box. Technically they can do anything they desire. If they wanted to shut the server down today, never to turn it on again, they have that power. Doing so, however, would be a completely jackass move ... Just like the current name nazi crusade is an abuse of power.

It shows a lack of maturity on the part of the people in control of the server. If they are going to do this, then what's next? Do I really want to exert any more effort to play in their sandbox if they are going to abuse their own rules in such an arbitrary manner? No, I prefer to seek more mature and benevolent leadership. The closing in of ranks to support the actions of this guide demonstrates that they would rather piss of hundreds of people to support a bad decision, than to reverse the capricious action and restore the appearance of a benevolent, but fair, server leadership.

Uaellaen

06-21-2010, 08:32 AM

It shows a lack of maturity on the part of the people in control of the server.

i would say your name shows lack of maturity, name your self fitting to the genre you play and you have nothing to worry about ... quite simple

and you just dont seem to get it ... your first and last name shaped a word together, this was always against the naming policy on live, and someone sayd in this thread that they are trying to enforce classic / live name policies .. so you lost ...

SchadenFreude

06-21-2010, 09:15 AM

SchadenFreude. It is one word that combines two ideas: Harmful and Joy.

My character is a shadow knight. Not only does the first name "Schade" have a direct reflection on my chosen class, the name "Schade" directly translates to "Harm". Shadow knights , as you surely know, are defined by the "Harm Touch" ability.

Shadowknights, being evil, take joy in the harm they cause. Can you really not see the association between a shadow knight and the "schadenfreude" concept? SchadenFreude is not only a highly appropriate name, it is very in line with the type of class I choose to play. It is acceptable on the Live servers as a name. And, if you bothered to check the screen capture I posted a few pages back, you would see evidence that I receive requests from strangers to join groups. My name was not holding me back.

Stop the straw man rhetoric and stick to the facts. The name is valid, it is acceptable on Live, it exceeds the published rules for names on P99, and as such it should not have been nuked by a guide.

SchadenFreude

06-21-2010, 09:18 AM

Uuaellaen, how the heck do you PRONOUNCE this atrocity of vowels you consider a "name"? Seriously. Is it two syllables or six? Or something in between?

Im seriously offended by your inability to pick a name the average person could verbalize without assistance.

Uaellaen

06-21-2010, 09:19 AM

I am sorry that your intelect or imagination can not grasp my name, go look in the dictionary, maybe you find a new name for the next MMO you are trying =)

and oh, you repeat your self

SchadenFreude

06-21-2010, 09:21 AM

I am sorry that your intelect or imagination can not grasp my name, go look in the dictionary, maybe you find a new name for the next MMO you are trying =)

and oh, you repeat your self

Uuaellaen- no dictionary results
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Uuaellaen

Want to try again?

Uaellaen

06-21-2010, 09:28 AM

of course my name is not out of the dictionary like yours :) What do i want to try again? I think you missread what i sayd, you are supposed to look for a new name for your self in the dictionary, like you did in the past =)

SchadenFreude

06-21-2010, 10:35 AM

Phallax

06-21-2010, 10:40 AM

I will use small words so you can understand.

HOW

DO

YOU

SAY

YOUR

NAME?

Is it that hard to comprehend the question? I asked for a pronunciation and you replied with a "go look in the dictionary" response, as if the pronunciation key would be found in a dictionary. It wasn't. Your name is nothing more than "random characters", which means it does not follow the naming policy.

The next time you log in with your "Senior Guide" account, don't forget to change the Uuaaaaleaeauauauan toon's name to something that adheres to naming policy.

Have you ever seen the random name generator? His name is perfectly on par.
Just because you are to ignorant to try and sound out a simple name as his doesnt mean its 'random characters'. His name makes far more since to me than yours does.

Guys, I think we found our new eqdruid76, since I dont think he'll be returning after being revealed.

Flicka

06-21-2010, 10:44 AM

Uaellaen

06-21-2010, 11:19 AM

I always figured it was U-Alien :D

wow DING DING DING 100 points, thats how most english speaking people pronounce my name! and its also my favorite ;)

Lub you flicka ;)

And schadenfreude, just because you are too simple minded to use any part of your imagination to pronounce that name, does not make it my responsibility to explain it to you, or tell you how its pronounced :cool:

that you still dont get why your name would be against the naming policy, scares me and makes me think you have the IQ of a loaf of bread ...

Qaedain

06-21-2010, 11:41 AM

I typically pronounce it in the Tolkien style:
Oo-ayel-line. (Dipthong on the "aye" and "l" sounds in the second syllable).

Taxi

06-21-2010, 02:05 PM

The point is that name changing is not something that should be done lightly.
Like schadenfeude said (however his name is spelled) you erase the entire history of a toon's character. You have to have put 45 levels into a character and then have a GM pick your name out of a hat to understand how bad that is.

But my problem is not the name changing, my problem is the appearance of favoritism with GMs taking pics with top guilds like "cheeeese" and half of them have names that break the rules. You either spend a day changing the rules for everyone, or else you dont change names at all, you put it on hiatus until you think things through. Thats like removing the global chat only for certain people while others retain the right to use it. Its not that bad, but i think the metaphore is not too far off.

To pick an example from my experience, me and this player Nalatai have this inside jokes of ninja bears. One time i ported and there was a bear in a tree behind Nalatai and i said something like "Ninja bear! behind you!". Ever since that bear when i see Nalatai its "Bear, 3 oclock!" or whatever. Shes not on my friend list and theres tons of people like this where you have this little history and ill never go to the trouble of msging them all like hey.... remember me? My name got changed to blablabla.

Some people will have themselves allowed to have their player's history follow them through 50, and some of them, at random or to the GMs whims will be erased from existence, whenever they feel like it. Thats not how it should go, yes its your server, yes you can do what you want but it doesnt mean allowing this to continue will not piss off a bunch of people. This should be implemented fully or not at all.

I said i would not discuss this matter further, and i went back cause i think people who say "Whatever crybabies, its just a name" dont grasp the problem.

Toony

06-21-2010, 02:14 PM

pickled_heretic

06-21-2010, 02:16 PM

Taxi, do you feel someone who types BigBlackDong into the box that says "Character Name" deserves the right to "have their player's history follow them through 50"?

It's a serious question even if the example might not be.

Do you think a person who types "Taxi" into the box that says "character name" has a right to have their player's history follow them through 50?

Toony

06-21-2010, 02:24 PM

Do you think a person who types "Taxi" into the box that says "character name" has a right to have their player's history follow them through 50?

Part of what you quoted back to me was Taxi's quote, it's irrelevant as to what I think about that particular idea.

But since you asked, I don't believe anyone has any "right" to anything on P99 as they haven't paid for or been granted specific licence to do anything by the server owner. Everything done on the server is at the whim of the owner/developers.

pickled_heretic

06-21-2010, 02:30 PM

Part of what you quoted back to me was Taxi's quote, it's irrelevant as to what I think about that particular idea.

But since you asked, I don't believe anyone has any "right" to anything on P99 as they haven't paid for or been granted specific licence to do anything by the server owner. Everything done on the server is at the whim of the owner/developers.

of course the server owners can do whatever the fuck you want. I'm asking you if you think it's right. What a fucking lame copout. LOL COPS CAN BEAT BLACK PEOPLE IF THEY WANT SO ITS OKAY! Way to pass the buck.

Btw, triumph is a pretty crappy roleplaying name.

SchadenFreude

06-21-2010, 03:28 PM

Taxi, do you feel someone who types BigBlackDong into the box that says "Character Name" deserves the right to "have their player's history follow them through 50"?

It's a serious question even if the example might not be.

This is already covered in the ONLY rule on this server dealing with names. Please try to use a relevant argument. It is way too easy to create a straw man and beat upon that instead of finding some facet of the existing debate that has merit.

The bottom line here is someone abused their powers, it was made public, and instead of fixing their error they decided to piss off hundreds of people. The other "powers that be" closed ranks on to back up the mistake instead of acting like adults. End of story; nothing will change. The damage is done and the people running the show don't care what we think. (See: quote by senior guide, in this thread, stating they dont care what we think).

Toony

06-21-2010, 03:35 PM

This is already covered in the ONLY rule on this server dealing with names. Please try to use a relevant argument. It is way too easy to create a straw man and beat upon that instead of finding some facet of the existing debate that has merit.

Taxi's opinion is covered in that rule? I was more interested in what Taxi thought about player rights to their own history than all this other nerd rage.

Sorry, what irrelvent argument did I state in asking someone their opinion? :confused: If you feel my posts aren't relevant to your discussion feel free to buzz on past.

SchadenFreude

06-21-2010, 04:14 PM

The straw man you used was clearly within the "offensive" category. Taxi, to the best of my knowledge, is not an offensive word. Try using an argument that takes a non-offensive word and apply the same logic to it.

Phrases, and names that form phrases, are very common in the real world. I don't suddenly go bonkers when I see a name that could also be interpreted as a phrase. By the same logic, I don't flip out and have my "reality immersion" challenged when I meet a person in the real world who has a name that is also a word.

"Will Smith" -- is he a blacksmith, or just a black "Smith"? You decide. The name nazis on this server would have nuked his name if they were able to play god in real life. Not based upon any published rule, per se. Instead, the guide in question would have nuked his name because they didn't like him, possibly Will Smith he is black and the guide is from a country that has a long history of racial intolerance.

Of course, I don't honestly believe that. But, see how easy it is to make a straw man argument and beat upon that, instead of sticking to the debate?

Toony

06-21-2010, 04:17 PM

Taxi

06-21-2010, 04:29 PM

To hammer the point in more, we can turn the question on its head.

Is it worth it, for something as trivial as RP enforcement names on a non-RP server, to annoy (im being kind here) the hundreds of players who went and rolled a character which the names meant something? When players who were punished know its never going to end because they see new names that mean something pop up each day? When the rules were vague to start with?

Because the rules are vague at best and at worst feels like a police officer's discretion to arrest a black guy for jaywalking and to not arrest white people for jaywalking, deciding when to apply vague laws when he wants to.

If you dont want that police corruption flavor to how you run your server, then you enforce the same rules for everyone.

Toony

06-21-2010, 04:40 PM

Because the rules are vague at best and at worst feels like a police officer's discretion to arrest a black guy for jaywalking and to not arrest white people for jaywalking, deciding when to apply vague laws when he wants to..

So would you prefer them just to 100% adhere to SOE's ruleset? (clearly they would have to reword it or run the risk of some end-around copyright violation lawsuit)

Blackyce

06-21-2010, 04:45 PM

I'm confused. What's wrong with a name like Schaden Freude? There are many cultures in this world where a name like this would be acceptable.

My friend at work's name is Maki and she's Japanese. Maki in Japanese means "To hope". So Schaden Freude picks his name because it comes close to the meaning of something like Harm Joy as seperate words but can actually be a single word in both German/English so you choose to wipe it.

Really, are you this petty?

I find this really funny because I would think a name like Schaden Freude (Harm Joy) would be very much in line with ANY MMORPG naming policy.

Oh and the fact that after Taxi Driver called you out here, you made it a mission to change his name shows a definite abuse of power.

I just want to know, have you changed the names of all those people in the Frogloc SS? Because I'm pretty sure since that SS you've been doing your GM duties and not just having fun, since you changed Taxi's name. If you haven't, you really do have a power issue problem.

Blackyce

06-21-2010, 04:49 PM

So would you prefer them just to 100% adhere to SOE's ruleset? (clearly they would have to reword it or run the risk of some end-around copyright violation lawsuit)

No, I would like a ruleset that isn't just "The Opinion" of whatever GM is currently volunteerinig at the moment.

Taxi

06-21-2010, 04:49 PM

So would you prefer them just to 100% adhere to SOE's ruleset? (clearly they would have to reword it or run the risk of some end-around copyright violation lawsuit)

Ive mentioned multiple times what i think they should do.

- First, put the renames on hold (with exception of the offensive ones) until its sorted out.

Then 2 options:

1) Stick to obviously offensive names, changing names such as Vagina Smasher. That is actually what the rules are supposed to be, according to Nilbog, if i am not mistaken.

2) Explicitely state that names that mean something will no longer be tolerated, and dedicate a day for Devs and GMs to deal with this, slapping everyone with renames for a full day or 2, which will make people stop rolling toons with names that mean something for the most part. Then just mop up the rest.

The copyright infrigement thing is so silly i dont think its worth commenting much, beside the fact that can you imagine the PR disaster for a company like say, Marvel if they were to sue some obscure EQemu devs because one of their players picked the name "The thing" ?

Toony

06-21-2010, 05:03 PM

No, I would like a ruleset that isn't just "The Opinion" of whatever GM is currently volunteerinig at the moment.

To one degree or another opinion is going to enter into the equation. Take five people in any environment and give them even the most basic set of rules and they're all going to interpret them slightly different.

Take this for example:

Common words that would not be found in a Norrathian setting: Switchblade, Microwave, Phaser, Sloegin, Website, Cannabis, Computer, etc. are all examples of this type of name. Also included here is slang common to the gaming culture, such as leet, uber, or phear.

Is Taxi a common word? is Schadenfreude? (maybe not in the U.S. maybe so in Germany)

astarothel

06-21-2010, 05:17 PM

So Schaden Freude picks his name because it comes close to the meaning of something like Harm Joy as seperate words but can actually be a single word in both German/English so you choose to wipe it.

Schadenfreude is not "Harm Joy" as your broken translation claims.
It is a colloquialism in both German and English, feel free to Google it.

Kainzo

06-21-2010, 05:34 PM

No, I would like a ruleset that isn't just "The Opinion" of whatever GM is currently volunteerinig at the moment.

I think someone here should make their own server and terrorize the way they see fit. You don't pay to play you, hell you get all of this shit for free. How much have you donated in the last 3 months? el zelcho?

SchadenFreude

06-21-2010, 05:45 PM

Schadenfreude is not "Harm Joy" as your broken translation claims.
It is a colloquialism in both German and English, feel free to Google it.

Astarothel, pleased to meet you.

The words, separately, roughly translate to "Harmful" and "Joyful". I am well aware that the composite word, Schadenfreude, means (roughly) "to take pleasure in the harm of others, especially if that harm is caused by their own actions". Which is why, when the senior guide nuked my name in a petty and power-abusive manner, I found it to be so ironic. It should have been very clear, if you read my post with the screen capture, that the irony was not lost on me.

The guide knew what it meant. I knew what it meant. Half the server probably knows what it means. It was a buzz word in 2008 to decribe various politicians self destructing, while their political adversaries watched in glee. It is not, however, "offensive". I doubt that an offensive word would have been broadcast so widely on the public airwaves if it was "offensive". As such, it does not violate the one rule on this server that deals with the naming policy.

I am very aware of what schadenfreude means. What's puzzling you is the nature of my game.

Blackyce

06-21-2010, 05:46 PM

Schadenfreude is not "Harm Joy" as your broken translation claims.
It is a colloquialism in both German and English, feel free to Google it.

I actually used an online translator thank you.

SchadenFreude

06-21-2010, 05:47 PM

I think someone here should make their own server and terrorize the way they see fit. You don't pay to play you, hell you get all of this shit for free. How much have you donated in the last 3 months? el zelcho?

Well said. I have, however, clicked the various links on the home page on a daily basis. Ironic, that those links are usually for services that are banned on this server, but hey ... why be hypocritical?

Blackyce

06-21-2010, 05:50 PM

I think someone here should make their own server and terrorize the way they see fit. You don't pay to play you, hell you get all of this shit for free. How much have you donated in the last 3 months? el zelcho?

No I don't pay to play but when you change someone's name that appears to be following the naming policy and then get shown to be in an SS of people who's name should actually be changed, it appears there's a bit of a conflict there.

So Cyrius goes out of his way to change Schaden Fruede's name but, I'm assuming, leaves all those others in the SS the same? It's a power trip plain and simple and people should know that the GM's on this server have power trips and can change your apparent RP name at their whim.

astarothel

06-21-2010, 05:53 PM

I actually used an online translator thank you.

That much was obvious.

astarothel

06-21-2010, 05:56 PM

The guide knew what it meant. I knew what it meant. Half the server probably knows what it means.

The guy I was quoting didn't.

SchadenFreude

06-21-2010, 05:59 PM

The guy you were quoting was quoting me. I had posted, previously, that the firstname-surname meant "Harm" and "Joy". It's a moot point. A red herring. The name is either "offensive", in which case it should be changed, or is not offensive, in which case the guide needs to learn to use his power wisely.

Blackyce

06-21-2010, 06:01 PM

The guy I was quoting didn't.

Schaden

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/schaden

Freude

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Freude

astarothel

06-21-2010, 06:18 PM

Schaden

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/schaden

Freude

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Freude

Want a cookie?

SchadenFreude

06-21-2010, 06:30 PM

Want a cookie?

OK, you have had your fun trolling. That accomplished, are the words "Schaden", "Freude", or "Schadenfreude" offensive to you? Just curious what your stance is.

surbated

06-21-2010, 06:45 PM

I've read like 12 pages of this ungodly thread and am no clearer on what the naming policy is supposed to be. I mean, the obvious ones like ihatemexicans or some shit, I get it. I even understand the no "phrases" thing, although personally I think it's kinda lame. Honestly, I'm not trying to be a dick and I don't need an ironclad guide of what constitutes an acceptable name so I can look for loopholes.

I just want to roll some characters that I am reasonably certain will not run afoul of the naming policy, and never cared much for the ones like Darkwarrior Thunderstalker or whatever else jumped right out of the latest fantasy novel or character name generator (no offense to those who do, just not my cup of tea).

Can you not have a name that's an actual word? Is it just English words? What about names that are also names of other fictional characters? What about names that are also actually names of other things which happen to also be words? I have characters named Symmetry and Atomics, are they legal?

What about Cyrius, who seems, in this thread at least, to be the main agent of enforcement? That is also an actual word, it's a subspecies of gobi fish (Neogobius cyrius - http://www.eol.org/pages/208083). -- Nothing personal Cyrius, you seem like a good guy.

I have no complaints about Guide this or GM-that or favoritism or whatever it is that has most of your panties all up in a bunch, I'm just a newish player trying to figure out the common sense guidelines for not getting your dude's name deleted.

astarothel

06-21-2010, 06:54 PM

OK, you have had your fun trolling. That accomplished, are the words "Schaden", "Freude", or "Schadenfreude" offensive to you? Just curious what your stance is.

How about this?

No titles, Name and Lastname should not form words or phrases, Names should not be phrases, brand names, etc. ...

I extend this meaning of phrases to include expressions of speech, like idioms, or colloquialisms.

Daywolf

06-21-2010, 06:58 PM

Can you not have a name that's an actual word? Is it just English words? What about names that are also names of other fictional characters? What about names that are also actually names of other things which happen to also be words? I have characters named Symmetry and Atomics, are they legal?
hmm.. I don't know. I guess if they plan to do something as hard as Firiona Vie than we name/rename our characters to like 'Zetromuphian Alkagimore' or something. On the other end, something like is the norm in GuildWars is probably out of bounds here 'doodirulz' urcorpse'. In-between that, who's to know *shrugs*

SchadenFreude

06-21-2010, 07:08 PM

How about this?

Originally Posted by Cyrius
No titles, Name and Lastname should not form words or phrases, Names should not be phrases, brand names, etc. ...

I extend this meaning of phrases to include expressions of speech, like idioms, or colloquialisms.

Nice dodge. You didn't answer the question, and instead referred to what the guide believes to be the naming policy. The problem is, the only rule regarding names that is posted has to deal with "offensive" names. Cyrius doesn't know the name policy that he is enforcing. At some point in the future I fully expect to see revised rules which will include, verbatim, what Cyrius believes should be the name policy. Until that time, however, the only rule regarding names is "it cannot be offensive".

However, if they fully intend to create a policy that states "names cannot be words", more than half of the server is already, unknowingly, out of compliance. They will be in for a very rude awakening when the name-hammer swings with impunity.

oldhead

06-21-2010, 07:37 PM

But your not a guide just a 12 year old kid thinking he is important.

Back the f**k off people and grow up, just let the guides do there job

Again I repeat stop snitchin

Salute me OR shoot me!

You really need to be careful how you talk about me on the forum, i dont appreciate it. tone down the disrespect, i dont know where you're from but where i am from, we dont tolerate that. dont even reply to this, just keep your mouth shut.

consider yourself warned.

oldhead

06-21-2010, 07:40 PM

Blackyce

06-21-2010, 07:56 PM

So the naming policy is "What is offensive to Cyrius"?

Toony

06-21-2010, 08:02 PM

So the naming policy is "What is offensive to Cyrius"?

From the beginning of this very thread
No titles, Name and Lastname should not form words or phrases, Names should not be phrases, brand names, etc. ...

mille233

06-21-2010, 08:11 PM

I've been following the progression of this thread and decided to speak up. I gotta say im completely behind Schaden, taxi and the other who share their views. Cyrius- your like a god damn rent-a-cop or hall monitor who people are forced to listen to, NOT because your 'rules' are legitimate or important, but because of the worthless little badge on your chest and the small amount of authority you've finally been granted for once in your life

pickled_heretic

06-21-2010, 08:14 PM

So the naming policy is "What is offensive to Cyrius"?

The short answer is "yes." The only thing in the rulebook is "no offensive names." Nilbog has explained that this means whatever the guides find 'offensive' is actionable.

astarothel

06-21-2010, 08:46 PM

Nice dodge.

Dodge this:

I think every one of you whining and crying babies have pursued it the wrong way.

At this rate with the progression of the thread it is only going to end in forum bans, or RnF rather than with any constructive change toward a formal naming policy.

Bitch. Cry. Spread your bullshit. Get banned. Ragequit over how unfair the entire thing is. I don't give a fuck.

All I know is that I would rather have Cyrius overseeing it than one of you.

Wanna know why? He's tolerated your little shitflinging crusade against him, in Server Chat rather than RnF no less, when he could have straight up had a number of you tanked for going after him personally (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1594) in a thread which should have been sent to RnF three days ago.

nalkin

06-21-2010, 08:55 PM

I gotta say that I think changing names is a dumb idea. Nothing against Cyrius, cause he has been nothing but helpful to me and very quick to respond. I just think the gms need to get together and discuss this a little more and get the majority opinion of the server. Names don't ruin the immersion for me, I love seeing clever and funny names. Offensive or racist names, sure, those can be changed.

But, ya know what ruins the immersion for me? The fact that I'm sitting in front of an 18 inch monitor in my underwear typing on a keyboard that is slicker than spit from eating shrimp gat dang cocktail with my fingers. Not names.

pickled_heretic

06-21-2010, 09:03 PM

post

Personally, I believe I have been conducting this dialogue with integrity, always sticking to the facts (as usual). Nothing I have said here has violated the rules. In addition, people that I defend or associate with in this thread are not me - if someone else violates the rules it's not my problem, even if they're in the same camp as I am.

Ultimately, our actions here have resulted in creating several opposing factions. I agree with you that this may be counterproductive to positive change if one is only looking to get the naming policy reformed. Please realize that some people have other ideals to stick to.

I also agree that I would probably make a terrible GM. I don't have the time or dedication to this project to do it. However, that doesn't mean that I can't criticize actions if I see injustice. Just because I'm unwilling to become a soldier doesn't mean I can't cry foul when I see one shooting an unarmed civilian. Just because I don't want to be a member of a jury doesn't mean I wouldn't proclaim injustice if I saw a verdict that was clearly wrong.

It's true that I get enjoyment from participating in these kinds of threads, but I also feel as though there's true injustice taking place, and because of that I feel obligated to participate in this thread, even when it may sometimes be unpleasant or dangerous for me to do so.

astarothel

06-21-2010, 09:07 PM

I also feel as though there's true injustice taking place, and because of that I feel obligated to participate in this thread, even when it may sometimes be unpleasant or dangerous for me to do so.

Civil disobedience card on an internet forum -- amusing I gotta say. Every person in the thread knows that a post like Nalkin made just now was the way to handle it, they just wanted to throw a shitfit.

pickled_heretic

06-21-2010, 09:19 PM

Civil disobedience card on an internet forum -- amusing I gotta say. Every person in the thread knows that a post like Nalkin made just now was the way to handle it, they just wanted to throw a shitfit.

Civil disobedience? It would be civil disobedience if I was breaking some kind of rule or law. If this was your best response, then I consider my rebuttal to be a success.

But yes, there are dozens of posts just like Nalkin's, and yet here we still have a problem.

Cyrius

06-22-2010, 02:12 AM

Nice dodge. You didn't answer the question, and instead referred to what the guide believes to be the naming policy. The problem is, the only rule regarding names that is posted has to deal with "offensive" names. Cyrius doesn't know the name policy that he is enforcing. At some point in the future I fully expect to see revised rules which will include, verbatim, what Cyrius believes should be the name policy. Until that time, however, the only rule regarding names is "it cannot be offensive".

However, if they fully intend to create a policy that states "names cannot be words", more than half of the server is already, unknowingly, out of compliance. They will be in for a very rude awakening when the name-hammer swings with impunity.

You are so wrong. Just wait till we are ready to post the final worded rules. Now stop the attempt to bash me, it bores me to reply to this thread every day.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=3278

The developers of this project put way too much time into this for us to be put on the spotlight every single time we make a decision, ESPECIALLY when you ASSUME you know all the facts. 90% of the time, you don't.

SchadenFreude

06-22-2010, 07:33 AM

You are so wrong. Just wait till we are ready to post the final worded rules. Now stop the attempt to bash me, it bores me to reply to this thread every day.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=3278

It appears, to me, that you just admitted the naming policy that is posted is not the one you are enforcing. Which also means everything I have stated is true: The only rule is a name cannot be "offensive", you are enforcing a policy that does not exist (yet), and when it does change it will be identical to what you believe it should have been.

Unless you include the non-GM account you have been using to post in this thread (yeah, it is pretty obvious which one that is), you (Cyrius) have not posted in this thread since June 19th. Stop making claims that are easily disproven.

That isn't a bash on you, that is simply stating the facts in a clear and concise manner.

Cyrius

06-22-2010, 07:48 AM

It appears, to me, that you just admitted the naming policy that is posted is not the one you are enforcing. Which also means everything I have stated is true: The only rule is a name cannot be "offensive", you are enforcing a policy that does not exist (yet), and when it does change it will be identical to what you believe it should have been.

Unless you include the non-GM account you have been using to post in this thread (yeah, it is pretty obvious which one that is), you (Cyrius) have not posted in this thread since June 19th. Stop making claims that are easily disproven.

That isn't a bash on you, that is simply stating the facts in a clear and concise manner.

First of all, i do not play on this server, so i do not have a "non-GM account". So oh, i just have to post every 2 days, still annoying. What you still do not get is, i am not the only person that is a "Staff-Member". I do not make such decisions on my own, we make them as a team. Your "facts" are only excistant in your head. If it was only me making those decisions i would have posted that naming policy right in your face.

Nothing you say is "true", besides that the posted naming policy is not up to date yet.

Besides you obviously can not read, i do not have to "admit" that i do enforce stronger naming rules. To quote Nilbog in this thread:

With that being said, he is following almost the exact same naming policy as live GMs used.

We will post more formal rules when we can. (Yeah I don't give a fuck how soon anyone thinks I should do it. The name policies are being reviewed by the Developers and guides.)

SchadenFreude

06-22-2010, 07:57 AM

Nothing you say is "true", besides that the posted naming policy is not up to date yet.

That is the entire point of this thread. The naming policy you are enforcing does not exist. The actions you are taking are not in line with the posted rules. You are saying that at some point in the future, the policy will be revised, and it will match what you currently believe the policy should be.

We cannot read your mind. We cannot predict the future. We cannot know that you won't change your mind, again, and impose some other set of not-yet-posted rules set upon the populace.

Even the police cannot enforce laws that do not exist. You, acting the role of cop, are enforcing rules that only exist in your head. Until they are posted the do not exist.

It should not be difficult to understand why the server populace is upset with your actions. You are acting like a rogue cop that plays by his own rules, dishing out your own brand of justice, with no regard to what the posted rules actually state. It is ironic, to me, that you linked a thread that dealt with an identical issue -- guides dishing out loot, imposing decisions that were in flagrant violation to the defined rules, just because you had the ability to do so. And, understandably so, those actions upset a significant number of people.

Blackyce

06-22-2010, 08:10 AM

Nothing you say is "true", besides that the posted naming policy is not up to date yet.

Wow, gratz on pointing out to the entire P99 forum community that you're enforcing a non-existant rule.

When you actually make it out into the real world and get a real job, make sure you stick to these guidlines so you're employer can fire you as soon as you do something as idiotic as this.

1 - Namiling policy isn't up to date. Check
2 - Cyrius is enforcing a policy that only he and maybe a few others think they are going to be using for this server. Check
3 - Cyrius enforces this unknown naming policy at his personal whim, but apparently leaving a whole slew of people's names that seem to violate this unknown policy because he's having FUN with them and he's not on GM time. Check
4 - Cyrius enforces this unknown naming policy to anyone on the forums who get under his skin before all the other people he's actually come in contact with in game, when he's having fun and not being a GM. Check

Cyrius

06-22-2010, 08:11 AM

The naming policy you are enforcing does not exist.

Wrong, it does excist, but is not yet released since we have to word it correctly to prevent people like you from loopholing it.

The actions you are taking are not in line with the posted rules.

GM-Descretion, i think i fit under this rule?

You, acting the role of cop, are enforcing rules that only exist in your head.

Again, those rules excist, just not for you to read yet.

It should not be difficult to understand why the server populace is upset with your actions.

Are they? All i can see is a handfull of people complaining. If you knew how many people i already renamed. The ones complaining are maybe 1% if at all. Miniority.

You are acting like a rogue cop that plays by his own rules, dishing out your own brand of justice, with no regard to what the posted rules actually state.

Again, i do have access to the rules that are to be enforced, and so will you soon. And i try this also another time, the rules state GM-Descretion.

I am not abusing my powers, not in the slightest. I do not favor one of you over the other, to me you are all the same. I treat you all the same. And i do not care if you are this "mighty" super uber skilled player from random_guild_001, if your name is against the violation, it will get changed eventualy.

The link i posted was to refresh your memory. We do not answer to you. And to quote Rogean again:

The developers of this project put way too much time into this for us to be put on the spotlight every single time we make a decision, ESPECIALLY when you ASSUME you know all the facts. 90% of the time, you don't.

I will highlight the whole sentence to you this time. Maybe its easier to comprehend then.

Cyrius

06-22-2010, 08:12 AM

Wow, gratz on pointing out to the entire P99 forum community that you're enforcing a non-existant rule.

When you actually make it out into the real world and get a real job, make sure you stick to these guidlines so you're employer can fire you as soon as you do something as idiotic as this.

You should learn to read. Again, those rules excist. Stop wasting my time with this idiotic post.

Toony

06-22-2010, 08:12 AM

Wow, gratz on pointing out to the entire P99 forum community that you're enforcing a non-existant rule.

Not up to date precludes nonexistent.

Blackyce

06-22-2010, 08:19 AM

You should learn to read. Again, those rules excist. Stop wasting my time with this idiotic post.

I'm glad they exist in your head. Can you point me to the nearest psychic so I can find out what those are?

SchadenFreude

06-22-2010, 08:21 AM

Cyrius

06-22-2010, 08:23 AM

1 - Namiling policy isn't up to date. Check
2 - Cyrius is enforcing a policy that only he and maybe a few others think they are going to be using for this server. Check
3 - Cyrius enforces this unknown naming policy at his personal whim, but apparently leaving a whole slew of people's names that seem to violate this unknown policy because he's having FUN with them and he's not on GM time. Check
4 - Cyrius enforces this unknown naming policy to anyone on the forums who get under his skin before all the other people he's actually come in contact with in game, when he's having fun and not being a GM. Check

Haha, editing your post after i answered to it. Witty.

1 - Check
2 - Almost, those rules will be enforced for this server.
3 - GM Descretion. I rename everyone that sends me a tell or petitions, or gets petitioned if in name violation. As i stated before, i am not running arround Norrath hunting people down, even thou it sometimes feels like it should be done.
4 - It was not me who "dared" me to rename them or scrap the policy. Leaves me only one option, to rename them, since the policy stands.

Blackyce

06-22-2010, 08:25 AM

Haha, editing your post after i answered to it. Witty.

Yeah, posted and went to edit it like 3s after it was posted. Do you have an "Everyone is against me complex?"

Cyrius

06-22-2010, 08:27 AM

"Wrong, it does excist, but is not yet released since we have to word it correctly to prevent people like you from loopholing it."

I call BS. How hard is it to copy and paste whatever you believe the rules should be, then post them in the rules section? The point is, you have been abusing your powers, and your own words are evidence to that fact. Your actions are doing more harm to the P99 community than a name like "Schade N`Freude" ever could.

Okay, i say it one last time. It is not up to me to make these rules public. I will not copy / paste information out of the guide section for you, or anyone else, ever. They will be posted in the rules section as soon as they are deemed ready by the whole staff. I have been working on those rules since quite a while with Nilbog, just be patient and you will get to read them soon.

Blackyce

06-22-2010, 08:30 AM

1 - Check
2 - Almost, those rules will be enforced for this server.
3 - GM Powertrip. I rename everyone that sends me a tell or petitions, or gets petitioned if in name violation. As i stated before, i am not running arround Norrath hunting people down, even thou it sometimes feels like it should be done.

No but you've come in contact with people who have violated the naming policy and you've done jack sqaut about it. Why? Because they didn't personally offend you or no one sent a msg about said name yet? I find you're enforcement of these hypothetical naming rules to be hypocritcal.

4 - It was not me who "dared" me to rename them or scrap the policy. Leaves me only one option, to rename them, since the policy stands.

Again, like I said, GM Powertrip. Someone calls you on being a name nazi to your own personal agenda and includes, my name will probably get changed, so you go and change it. Sounds more like you did it just to piss him off and pump your GM ego.

Uaellaen

06-22-2010, 08:30 AM

Requesting a lock on this topic please, pure rants and flames.

Cyrius

06-22-2010, 08:35 AM

Yeah, posted and went to edit it like 3s after it was posted. Do you have an "Everyone is against me complex?"

No, but you should watch your mouth with your personal attacks, young one.

No but you've come in contact with people who have violated the naming policy and you've done jack sqaut about it. Why? Because they didn't personally offend you or no one sent a msg about said name yet? I find you're enforcement of these hypothetical naming rules to be hypocritcal.

Maybe because i simply did not notice? You see, i have other things to do then scan my screen for names at every second i am loged in. Most of the times i have ~1000 tells per hour. Changing names is not number 1 priority, unless its a vulgar name.

Again, like I said, GM Powertrip. Someone calls you on being a name nazi to your own personal agenda and includes, my name will probably get changed, so you go and change it. Sounds more like you did it just to piss him off and pump your GM ego.

Again, watch it with the personal attacks. I do not need to "pump" my GM ego, but i will get you suspended if you continue like this.

astarothel

06-22-2010, 08:40 AM

So. I was looking around the forums and lo and behold lookie at what I found.
The situation it arose from raiding, but it still applies here.

I'm getting quite tired of everything being questioned, everyone assuming they are experts in every decision being made. Its getting old quite fast. We make decisions based on our best judgements, often discussing large impacting decisions with several staff members first. You are welcome to report anything you may believe to be unjustified use of GM privileges to the petition forum or Nilbog and myself, but this would only be in situations where you believe a GM did not act as they are instructed so, and an investigation may occur, but do not think that this suddenly privies you to all information associated with any decision. I realize that the environment for our community is a little more open than such organizations as SOE Itself, with more direct involvement in the community by the developers, but there are certain ways things need to be handled, and they wont always be agreed on by everyone, but thats how it is in any scenario.

Aeolwind

06-22-2010, 08:42 AM

No but you've come in contact with people who have violated the naming policy and you've done jack sqaut about it. Why? Because they didn't personally offend you or no one sent a msg about said name yet? I find you're enforcement of these hypothetical naming rules to be hypocritcal.

Again, like I said, GM Powertrip. Someone calls you on being a name nazi to your own personal agenda and includes, my name will probably get changed, so you go and change it. Sounds more like you did it just to piss him off and pump your GM ego.

Actually, I'm the overall name Nazi you so eloquently speak of jackass. I don't wait for petitions, I actively look for names and nuke them =). Oh, and enjoy your ban. We aren't paid to put up with your shit. Thread lock.