New (old school) opinion

[Yukface]

Hi all, I am new to the server been checking things out for about a month. I heard about this server through an old friend I played eq with. I played original from kunark to oow, I was on Vazaelle and very hardcore.
First let me give my perspective, no mmorpg I have ever played, and I have basically played them all has given me the memories (good and bad) that eq gave me. And not one day has gone by that I didnt wish that I could get my old school eq fix on. This server presented that opportunity and I took it.

So where to start... hmm forgive me as some of these thoughts may not be perfectly accurate but they are my perception and hopefully as a new player coming to the server someone here will value that.

Global OOC: glad that is gone, it promoted holding camps forever, it does make it a bit harder to find groups... for people who dont know how to use /who and /lfg on.... hard stuff

Camping rules: This is gonna sting... but they are assenine. heres why:
1) no matter how hard you try to control something, you cant, you just change the means by which people manipulate your perspective of control. In original eq we had a saying..."THERE ARE NO CAMPS IN EQ" I know its an asshole, elitist dickhead thing to say and even worse to actually steam role some poor wizard who finally got his hands on a smr camp.. but them are the breaks. Its a game built on contested mobs. The very CONTEST they create gave me the greatest and worst, but still most vivid memories of my gaming life. All this server did was allow people to hold camps forever with no threat of being rolled... the threat made the drama guys, drama is what you remember, yes drama sux..QQ but lets be honest, those are where your memories are concentrated and you know it... Lets use a guild camping perspective. My friend is in DA, he doesnt play the game atm, he sits... in perma.. waiting.... for a Voxx spawn. Due to these lame rules....sitting 15 people or some such nonsense gives you rights to a mob...LOL.. you gotta be joking.. thats not classic eq.. thats classic carebear. The great thing about eq is the greats rise to the top, those greats get what they want when they want it, and everyone else aspires to BE them. What do you think is gonig to happen when epics come out in kunark.. you think people are going to tolerate 15 afk losers sitting on a epic spawn...for god sakes phinny will be soloable...noone will ever get epics unless they pay umptyfrat million pp for the multiquests. Bottom line stop trying to control the coolness right out of the game. The drama is in the contest, let there be drama. Sure keep people from being mega-douches like abacabb (sorry bro had to smack you down, but hey you like the attention) but dont suck the life out of the contest. Camp checks are courteous, the server will police itself in this regard.. again.. you cannot control everything, people will just change their methods...ie sacrificing themselves to hold more than one lore item.. and eternal camp a .. oh i dont know...fbss....anyway... im beating the dead horse... so ill just say let there be drama!!!

In all honesty i was gonna bring up some other points but that one feels like it might need to stew a while so I will leave on this final note. Sony recently announced they are rolling a brand new server. I'll be going there most likely, this group hug "kumbaya" stuff isnt what made the greatest mmo ever great... its what ruined the rest of them.

oh yea, ill be leveling my sk until sony relaunches or kotor comes out (even though im sure it will be wowsuckpt2) look forward to grouping with you all 8)

[eqdruid76]

You're an adult, aren't you?....

[Elysium]

yeah man i agree with u, i be fuckin steamrollin newbs who aspire to me be all day heh.

*has literally no life*

[mr.miketastic]

Hi all, I am new to the server been checking things out for about a month. I heard about this server through an old friend I played eq with. I played original from kunark to oow, I was on Vazaelle and very hardcore.
First let me give my perspective, no mmorpg I have ever played, and I have basically played them all has given me the memories (good and bad) that eq gave me. And not one day has gone by that I didnt wish that I could get my old school eq fix on. This server presented that opportunity and I took it.

So where to start... hmm forgive me as some of these thoughts may not be perfectly accurate but they are my perception and hopefully as a new player coming to the server someone here will value that.

Global OOC: glad that is gone, it promoted holding camps forever, it does make it a bit harder to find groups... for people who dont know how to use /who and /lfg on.... hard stuff

Camping rules: This is gonna sting... but they are assenine. heres why:
1) no matter how hard you try to control something, you cant, you just change the means by which people manipulate your perspective of control. In original eq we had a saying..."THERE ARE NO CAMPS IN EQ" I know its an asshole, elitist dickhead thing to say and even worse to actually steam role some poor wizard who finally got his hands on a smr camp.. but them are the breaks. Its a game built on contested mobs. The very CONTEST they create gave me the greatest and worst, but still most vivid memories of my gaming life. All this server did was allow people to hold camps forever with no threat of being rolled... the threat made the drama guys, drama is what you remember, yes drama sux..QQ but lets be honest, those are where your memories are concentrated and you know it... Lets use a guild camping perspective. My friend is in DA, he doesnt play the game atm, he sits... in perma.. waiting.... for a Voxx spawn. Due to these lame rules....sitting 15 people or some such nonsense gives you rights to a mob...LOL.. you gotta be joking.. thats not classic eq.. thats classic carebear. The great thing about eq is the greats rise to the top, those greats get what they want when they want it, and everyone else aspires to BE them. What do you think is gonig to happen when epics come out in kunark.. you think people are going to tolerate 15 afk losers sitting on a epic spawn...for god sakes phinny will be soloable...noone will ever get epics unless they pay umptyfrat million pp for the multiquests. Bottom line stop trying to control the coolness right out of the game. The drama is in the contest, let there be drama. Sure keep people from being mega-douches like abacabb (sorry bro had to smack you down, but hey you like the attention) but dont suck the life out of the contest. Camp checks are courteous, the server will police itself in this regard.. again.. you cannot control everything, people will just change their methods...ie sacrificing themselves to hold more than one lore item.. and eternal camp a .. oh i dont know...fbss....anyway... im beating the dead horse... so ill just say let there be drama!!!

In all honesty i was gonna bring up some other points but that one feels like it might need to stew a while so I will leave on this final note. Sony recently announced they are rolling a brand new server. I'll be going there most likely, this group hug "kumbaya" stuff isnt what made the greatest mmo ever great... its what ruined the rest of them.

oh yea, ill be leveling my sk until sony relaunches or kotor comes out (even though im sure it will be wowsuckpt2) look forward to grouping with you all 8)

Do you also have a Necro named Boneface? If so, I see more douchebaggery in store for P99.

[Nocte]

SOE's policy of not honoring camps was based on a lack of customer service staff to babysit every camp on every server, not based on anything to do with what's fair or best for players.

[YendorLootmonkey]

I'll be going there most likely, this group hug "kumbaya" stuff isnt what made the greatest mmo ever great... its what ruined the rest of them.

Sounds like what you want is a PVP server. I am pretty sure all "carebear" servers were subject to the "play nice policy". Don't let the door hit ya on the way out!

[Qaedain]

What. Is this real life?

[BlackBellamy]

Hi all, I am a loot whore and a griefer. Good bye.

Fixed it for you. Brevity for the win.

[Yukface]

wow i can see the "we all get trophies now" generation has come of age. you guys might want to go out and get real jobs, as opposed to playing a game all day and trolling forums...i really fail to see how one person camping one mob for pretty much ever then handing it off to his buddy while he gets to sleep is best for the common player... let alone the thousands of people that you wish would come play with you.. factually...outside the 100 or so people required to take down raid mobs daily based on ingame respawn rate, the 100 or so who are happy collecting oodles of PP on a server doomed to never allow them to sell it or do anything other than stare at it until the lights go out and the 500 or so that will only too soon realize they have no meaning full purpose i figure you have reached critical mas.. ENJOY. and no i dont have a necro named boneface. but he sounds cool

[Elysium]

wow i can see the "we all get trophies now" generation has come of age. you guys might want to go out and get real jobs, as opposed to playing a game all day and trolling forums

hahahahaha ohh the irony.

[Serith]

wow i can see the "we all get trophies now" generation has come of age. you guys might want to go out and get real jobs, as opposed to playing a game all day and trolling forums

I*

[Shurid]

Careful Yukface, people here don't like their classic experience messed with. Makes no sense esp. considering half of them weren't old enough to actually play EQ in '99.

FYI - They want their classic EQ their way. Not 100% classic.

[Yukface]

You're an adult, aren't you?....

seriously.. lets find an argument that is intelligent.. the you are childish thing is played out.. i mean...your posting on a forum about a game.. i could ask you the same thing. But if it makes you feel better I am retired from the US Navy Nuclear power program, and have absolutely nothing better to do with my time, other than beat my wife, spank my kids, get drunk and powerwash my trailer.

[Yukface]

Careful Yukface, people here don't like their classic experience messed with. Makes no sense esp. considering half of them weren't old enough to actually play EQ in '99.

FYI - They want their classic EQ their way. Not 100% classic.

Touche, see there is a man who makes sense.

[Yukface]

hahahahaha ohh the irony.

oh crap i guess my one thread, 4 (now 5) posts and two level 12 characters make me a troll now too....mmo's are ruined i need a new hobby, clearly

[Cogwell]

seriously.. lets find an argument that is intelligent.. the you are childish thing is played out.. i mean...your posting on a forum about a game.. i could ask you the same thing. But if it makes you feel better I am retired from the US Navy Nuclear power program, and have absolutely nothing better to do with my time, other than beat my wife, spank my kids, get drunk and powerwash my trailer.

1. Ellipses are 3 dots.
2. It's perfectly acceptable to end a sentence with a period. Also note that the following sentence will then end in a capitalized letter.
3. Bye

[Shurid]

have absolutely nothing better to do with my time, other than beat my wife

What do you tell a woman with 2 black eyes? ...

Nothing, you told her twice.

[Yukface]

1. Ellipses are 3 dots.
2. It's perfectly acceptable to end a sentence with a period. Also note that the following sentence will then end in a capitalized letter.
3. Bye

I dont like periods.. my thoughts continue... so should my sentences... if it bothers you...I am truly...sorry....wait ... on second thought... your right sherlock... im unedumacated...its elementary... I shall immediately seek training in the ways of english... or as you would say it ...engrish

BTW assisting the lame argument of childishness with the even lamer English Police is like sooo classic EQ.. nice job!!!!

[mitic]

Sony recently announced they are rolling a brand new server. I'll be going there most likely, this group hug "kumbaya" stuff isnt what made the greatest mmo ever great... its what ruined the rest of them.

oh yea, ill be leveling my sk until sony relaunches or kotor comes out (even though im sure it will be wowsuckpt2) look forward to grouping with you all 8)

sony failed on combine/sleeper and so they will on the next one

[YendorLootmonkey]

I am retired from the US Navy Nuclear power program

All right... cut Shipwreck here some slack. His brain has been slowly cooked by gamma radiation for years.

[Velothi]

wow i can see the "we all get trophies now" generation has come of age.

Right before the "instant gratification" generation, which seems to have now found p1999.

Semi non-sequitur: Has anyone seen the new Pizza Hut commercial where the two little league baseball kids are like "When we lose, its not all bad, because our coach takes us to Pizza Hut after a tough loss." Its been on basically every commercial break in the Stanley Cup Finals. Did that piss anyone else off? They LOST; they should get nothing and like it!
/harumph

[Shurid]

They lost at baseball but won at life. This teaches children a valuable lesson... Pizza hut = win

[Landis]

Semi non-sequitur: Has anyone seen the new Pizza Hut commercial where the two little league baseball kids are like "When we lose, its not all bad, because our coach takes us to Pizza Hut after a tough loss." Its been on basically every commercial break in the Stanley Cup Finals. Did that piss anyone else off? They LOST; they should get nothing and like it!
/harumph
Yes that commercial annoyed me as well. In little league I played for the local ice cream shop's team, and if we won we'd get free ice cream after the game. IF WE WON.

People are weak nowadays. Although I don't agree with the OP.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Right before the "instant gratification" generation, which seems to have now found p1999.

Semi non-sequitur: Has anyone seen the new Pizza Hut commercial where the two little league baseball kids are like "When we lose, its not all bad, because our coach takes us to Pizza Hut after a tough loss." Its been on basically every commercial break in the Stanley Cup Finals. Did that piss anyone else off? They LOST; they should get nothing and like it!
/harumph

You're assuming the coach takes them to Pizza Hut to treat them to pizza. Maybe he beats their asses for losing and locks them in the freezer for a few hours while he pigs out on some breadsticks & marinara sauce.

[nilbog]

Moved this to rants and flames.

This thread is obviously on fire.. why would you not take it home.

Continue on.

[Ihealyou]

Little league is srs bzns. If you don't win, you have failed at life and deserve to be punished.

[Shurid]

burn baby burnnnnn

[mr.miketastic]

Well I have to say that this is a great and shining example of how to not introduce yourself to a community.

Example fail: Hi gais! I hate the way you run things here, so I think I will pontificate from on high on how things should be done, according to MY vision!
Also, I will insult everyone who doesn't share my omniscient vision by telling them that they are unemployed losers. I will also post like a 3rd grader, then tell people I was responsible for a nuclear reactor!


Example win: Hey everyone! I am new here, and I am not sure what the culture is like here, but if someone could point me in the right direction, I would be great appreciative. I am used to a more aggressive environment like the Zeks, so bear with me while I change my mindset to a more PVE inclined group.



I think example win is a far better choice.

[Stepy]

With all doe respect Yukface, your way off base thinking that there are no camps in EQ, Players, guides and GM enforced 'camps'. I was thee and saw many times, a gm would intervein and settle a camp disagreement and it was always in favor of those already there as long as they were able to hold it. Somewhere along the way the GM's stop interveining and let the guides deal with it which didn't get anything resolved. It sound like you just want to justify leap-frogging anyone who is camping the spot you want. Not everyone belongs to a large guild that can rally enought to take a camp, some have to work harder to take and hold a camp with fewer people and perhaps solo, they deserve to at least try and hold the camp. Instead of looking for a way to skirt the rules why not just help them and once they get what they were after i sure you'll be free to hold it yourself.

[Stepy]

Yeah i know i didn't spell check, but i'm sure you can get the point.

[mr.miketastic]

With all doe respect Yukface, your way off base thinking that there are no camps in EQ, Players, guides and GM enforced 'camps'. I was thee and saw many times, a gm would intervein and settle a camp disagreement and it was always in favor of those already there as long as they were able to hold it. Somewhere along the way the GM's stop interveining and let the guides deal with it which didn't get anything resolved. It sound like you just want to justify leap-frogging anyone who is camping the spot you want. Not everyone belongs to a large guild that can rally enought to take a camp, some have to work harder to take and hold a camp with fewer people and perhaps solo, they deserve to at least try and hold the camp. Instead of looking for a way to skirt the rules why not just help them and once they get what they were after i sure you'll be free to hold it yourself.

Word. I can also attest to that as I was briefly a guide on XXXXXX server before I quit EQ. You don't know how many effing complaints came in about campstealing that had to be fielded.

[Taxi]

I somewhat agree with Yuckface, claiming camps kinda nurtures the dual boxers and the afk campers. I think at the very least, if someone is camping an 8 hour mob and the mob is up, its been 2 minutes and you havent engaged it, then too bad for you its up for grabs.

Doing away with camping rules would also prevent a guild from perma-locking a mob if they so desire.

[BlackBellamy]

I dont like periods.. my thoughts continue... so should my sentences... if it bothers you...I am truly...sorry....wait ... on second thought... your right sherlock... im unedumacated...its elementary... I shall immediately seek training in the ways of english... or as you would say it ...engrish

BTW assisting the lame argument of childishness with the even lamer English Police is like sooo classic EQ.. nice job!!!!

Your troll-fu is weak.

No one cares about how hardcore you were, how you used to play, or how you think this server should be run, and where will you be spending your precious MMO time.

You impress no one with your tales of camp-stealing valor, or how many people you trained or what. We don't care exactly how you were don't ask-don't telled out of the service, and we don't care about the reasons that make you type like a retard.

[Taxi]

For example, im pretty sure some guilds are perma-locking the best mobs in LGuk 24/7.

[Taxi]

Your troll-fu is weak.

No one cares about how hardcore you were, how you used to play, or how you think this server should be run, and where will you be spending your precious MMO time.

You impress no one with your tales of camp-stealing valor, or how many people you trained or what. We don't care exactly how you were don't ask-don't telled out of the service, and we don't care about the reasons that make you type like a retard.

Whos the troll here?

Wait, hes a fag, more ad hominems, and hes retard, the defense rests its case your honor. Do i got it backwards?

[Akame]

+2 for your use of ad hominem properly in a rant.

[Taxi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpxhYEQGMd8

[Stepy]

"I somewhat agree with Yuckface, claiming camps kinda nurtures the dual boxers and the afk campers. I think at the very least, if someone is camping an 8 hour mob and the mob is up, its been 2 minutes and you havent engaged it, then too bad for you its up for grabs. "

Well if you suspect boxing then why not report it at least it could be cleared up if you are mistaken. It would be idea if we all walked into a camp and the needed mob immediately spawn and dropped what we were looking for, but thats not reality.
I'm sure we all had moments where we sit for hours at a camp killing ph and named over and over hoping it would drop what we wanted. I don't think that life has a pause button to wait for us when real life stuff comes up such as phone calls, animals need attention, quick errands, getting food/drink ect. Thefact that you show up and no one responds to you at your convienience they you just want to take over, so all you need is a response from the individuals ??? Ok here goes, whatever you see my camping, i will give you my early "i am camping this spot" when you see me at a spot you would like just remember i already gave you a early response.

[Ihealyou]

Whos the troll here?

Wait, hes a fag, more ad hominems, and hes retard, the defense rests its case your honor. Do i got it backwards?

-1 for argument from fallacy.

[Stepy]

Guilds holding a camp permanately should be dealth with by those making the rules for the server it's not worth having a war over.

[Taxi]

-1 for argument from fallacy.

I never implied that because his argument is fallacious, then mine is correct. Although i do think his argument is not valid. Wait, hes got no argument. I think mine is valid though. Confused yet?

[rioisk]

I agree to the extent. The problem is that this isn't 1999 and this isn't classic. In 1999 we used dial-up, had no wiki, and were basically clueless about mechanics for a while. There were many casual players back then. There was not a heavy focus on "phat lewt" and "being uber". EQ didn't attract those sort of players in the beginning because the game wasn't about that....it was about exploring, adventure, and rping.

The players turned it into "omg max level phat lewt i'm the koolest mofo on the block" mentality. That's already starting to happen here as well. Soon we'll be begging for more and more raid content.

Camps created drama back in classic....but I think it's moreso here because we're more educated about who can solo them, how to hold them, and the rewards of camping them.

[Taxi]

I think devs got already enough on their plates without on top having to micro-manage whos dual boxing, whos not really dual boxing cuz once in a while his wife plays but most of the time its him camping a spawn and playing on the other computer, which guild is perma-locking the best mobs, la la la...

[Ihealyou]

I never implied that because his argument is fallacious, then mine is correct. Although i do think his argument is not valid. Wait, hes got no argument. I think mine is valid though. Confused yet?

-1 for argumentium ad confusingme :p

[Yukface]

All right... cut Shipwreck here some slack. His brain has been slowly cooked by gamma radiation for years.
All too true but the real problem is I am too old and grouchy to yell CC in shout when I see a named mob and none around or to be held atbay while a guild full of Gimp zergs a mob simply because they had 15 afkrs sitting in zone ...the fact that this fear of contest is so strongly defended makes me want to puke....you guys play on classic eq server and run it like wowkins its frankly sad

[Stepy]

"I think devs got already enough on their plates without on top having to micro-manage whos dual boxing"

Well dealing with camp disputes on the server and in the forums are taking considerable time as well and perhaps more intervention for a while might deflate some of the egos that think because they are there they deserve the camp.

[mr.miketastic]

All too true but the real problem is I am too old and grouchy to yell CC in shout when I see a named mob and none around or to be held atbay while a guild full of Gimp zergs a mob simply because they had 15 afkrs sitting in zone ...the fact that this fear of contest is so strongly defended makes me want to puke....you guys play on classic eq server and run it like wowkins its frankly sad

Don't let the door hit ya, where the good lord split ya.

[Stepy]

I agree with yukface on this point, afk'er should be used to establish a foothold on a camp, raid or whatever. In the old days if two guilds were after something and were mobilizing forces the one that had too few would wipe and the second would go in and finish it off.

[Qaedain]

http://coleman.aksolas.com/Files/CourageWolf1.jpg

[Crover_CT99]

For example, im pretty sure some guilds are perma-locking the best mobs in LGuk 24/7.

What's up Taxi.

This isn't really true, unless you are just stirring the pot. I think that perception comes from the fact that 2-3 guys in the big guilds spend assloads of time in lguk, but myself, fellow guildies and even a handful of unguilded people regularly camp the Lord, AM and Frenzy.

[Taxi]

What's up Taxi.

This isn't really true, unless you are just stirring the pot. I think that perception comes from the fact that 2-3 guys in the big guilds spend assloads of time in lguk, but myself, fellow guildies and even a handful of unguilded people regularly camp the Lord, AM and Frenzy.

Well i mean, every single time ive been in Guk, when CC is called the Lord is called. So wether or not guilds are camping it 24/7, it feels that way to me and if a guild wanted to camp it 24/7, the way it works right now, they could.

[Olarid99]

While Yukface's approach may have been a little above the curve for most of ya he does come with valid points.

If you are allowed to hold a camp indefinately, then pass it on to whoever the hell you want to who can then hold it indefinately with zero reprecussions or even the fear that a group of people that actually match levels with the zone in question, engage your mob while your patching a hole in your girlfriend and actually get a chance at loot dropping for them instead of having to buy it.

Camps are common courtesy, we all know that. But just because you decide to fall asleep with your speakers turned up or afk for 3 days in a zone to ensure you get to engage first is weak and will only be the death of the server when epics come out with the exception of the 2, maybe 3 guilds that are holding the zones.

No one outside of those guilds will have any chance of ever seeing a raid mob die unless they watch it on youtube. I don't think he was promoting the idea of ksing or camp stealing but more along the lines of "if all the camps are taken by soloing level 50's, whats the point of playing the game if the only way I'll see an fbss is if I buy it?" All I can say is, at least its free!

[Taxi]

While Yukface's approach may have been a little above the curve for most of ya he does come with valid points.

If you are allowed to hold a camp indefinately, then pass it on to whoever the hell you want to who can then hold it indefinately with zero reprecussions or even the fear that a group of people that actually match levels with the zone in question, engage your mob while your patching a hole in your girlfriend and actually get a chance at loot dropping for them instead of having to buy it.

Camps are common courtesy, we all know that. But just because you decide to fall asleep with your speakers turned up or afk for 3 days in a zone to ensure you get to engage first is weak and will only be the death of the server when epics come out with the exception of the 2, maybe 3 guilds that are holding the zones.

No one outside of those guilds will have any chance of ever seeing a raid mob die unless they watch it on youtube. I don't think he was promoting the idea of ksing or camp stealing but more along the lines of "if all the camps are taken by soloing level 50's, whats the point of playing the game if the only way I'll see an fbss is if I buy it?" All I can say is, at least its free!

And on top of that, lets repeat that we dont know how many people that have exemptions for dual boxing are actually 2 people playing, you cant really verify that. So camping a mob for 8 hours is nothing when you got another toon to play, this camp claiming stuff advantages people who got that IP exemption and dual box.

[Mleh]

Noted this didn't start in RnF he wanted to discuss a legitimate point. GJ trolls.

.02...

[Yukface]

Noted this didn't start in RnF he wanted to discuss a legitimate point. GJ trolls.

.02...

its cool mleh, i dont mind pulling up my cuffs and getting my hands dirty with carebear blood... 8). I just think its a shame, that in their angst to make everything all lovey dovey they are actually cheating themselves out of the best memories and parts of the game. The spawn, the race, the raid synchronization required to mobilize, buff, prep and pull before someone else could was the PIPE, Success or failure was the CRACK you smoked in it (evercrack). Shit, I bet half you raiders can barely get mobilized and BUFFED in the time required to take down a mob spawn in classic EQ. The unfortunate part is that you "think" you are playing classic, and sadly based only on what i read and have heard...your far from it. The reality is its free, and its owned by Rogean or whatever, and he can do what he wants but please dont profess to be a classic experience. It's far from it. I'll just call it a Wowkin's experience. 8) which is ok too,....for Wowkins

[Taluvill]

Just on a side note, FFA with spawn variance and no more camping would be cool for mobilization and competition.

[mr.miketastic]

its cool mleh, i dont mind pulling up my cuffs and getting my hands dirty with carebear blood... 8). I just think its a shame, that in their angst to make everything all lovey dovey they are actually cheating themselves out of the best memories and parts of the game. The spawn, the race, the raid synchronization required to mobilize, buff, prep and pull before someone else could was the PIPE, Success or failure was the CRACK you smoked in it (evercrack). Shit, I bet half you raiders can barely get mobilized and BUFFED in the time required to take down a mob spawn in classic EQ. The unfortunate part is that you "think" you are playing classic, and sadly based only on what i read and have heard...your far from it. The reality is its free, and its owned by Rogean or whatever, and he can do what he wants but please dont profess to be a classic experience. It's far from it. I'll just call it a Wowkin's experience. 8) which is ok too,....for Wowkins

Internet tough guy alert. For your reading pleasure:
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Internet_Tough_Guy

[YendorLootmonkey]

I just think its a shame, that in their angst to make everything all lovey dovey they are actually cheating themselves out of the best memories and parts of the game.

Yup, nothing screams "FUN!" and "GREAT MEMORIES!" like camping something for hours and hours, finally getting the named to pop, only to have a wizard gate in and KS it from you. OMG I CAN'T WAIT!! THOSE HOURS I WASTED WILL BE SUPERFUN TO LOOK FONDLY BACK ON!!

If I wanted that bullshit, I'd be playing on a PVP server so I could do something about it. And not as a melee class.

[Olarid99]

Yup, nothing screams "FUN!" and "GREAT MEMORIES!" like camping something for hours and hours, finally getting the named to pop, only to have a wizard gate in and KS it from you. OMG I CAN'T WAIT!! THOSE HOURS I WASTED WILL BE SUPERFUN TO LOOK FONDLY BACK ON!!

If I wanted that bullshit, I'd be playing on a PVP server so I could do something about it. And not as a melee class.

Well, at least you had the chance to camp it!

[Bruman]

RALLY ROUN' THE CAMP

BAR FULLA MANA

[Yukface]

The rule is and always has been....
3. You must comply with arbitration for contested spawns.

There are cases where two or more groups wish to kill the same NPC or hunt in the same area. In these cases, the groups are required to compromise.

If an equitable compromise cannot be reached between the players prior to EverQuest Customer Service Staff involvement, the EQCSR will mandate a compromise. Any such compromise is final and not open to debate. Refusing to abide by these terms will be considered disruption and may result in disciplinary action.

It is therefore strongly suggested that the groups make every attempt to reach a compromise that they can live with prior to involving an EQCSR, who may mandate a compromise that does not suit you to the extent that a player-devised compromise would.

Note: A "group" in this case is defined as a party of one or more characters that are united in a common belief or goal and are capable of completing that goal.

Now that that is said lets field some flyballs:

SOE's policy of not honoring camps was based on a lack of customer service staff to babysit every camp on every server, not based on anything to do with what's fair or best for players.

WRONG! Courtesy was generally given, but A) people didnt have the audacity to try to permacamp stuff or claim camps they arent at.. as the rules support on this server and B) if you had the balls to try to steamroll a legitimately camped mob you better also have the balls to withstand the train sure to be close after your engage. GM's only intervened (immediately) on guild contested mobs, and rarely was the intervention, or abitration as they so eloquently call it anything more than a GL dice roll. followed by a take turns policy and tons and tons of awesome drama

With all doe respect Yukface, your way off base thinking that there are no camps in EQ, Players, guides and GM enforced 'camps'. I was thee and saw many times, a gm would intervein and settle a camp disagreement and it was always in favor of those already there as long as they were able to hold it. Somewhere along the way the GM's stop interveining and let the guides deal with it which didn't get anything resolved. It sound like you just want to justify leap-frogging anyone who is camping the spot you want. Not everyone belongs to a large guild that can rally enought to take a camp, some have to work harder to take and hold a camp with fewer people and perhaps solo, they deserve to at least try and hold the camp. Instead of looking for a way to skirt the rules why not just help them and once they get what they were after i sure you'll be free to hold it yourself.

Again, I am not arguing your point, A GM would side with the guy who had the camp, but once the mob was dead, all you'd get was a warning and remember I am not saying this was normal, if you legitimately were sitting at a spawn, noone would f' with you, but you didint perma camp like here and certainly couldnt turn it over to whom ever you wanted....lol(remember things were different then /petitioning was kinda like /snitching, ntm people didnt have hard ons for plat like they do now.. i dont know i guess some of these dudes just think its cool to have a big number next to the silver circle)

Word. I can also attest to that as I was briefly a guide on XXXXXX server before I quit EQ. You don't know how many effing complaints came in about campstealing that had to be fielded.

If you were a guide, which i kinda doubt, then you would have alot more to say about this than what you said....ntm you will alos know that everything i said above is DEAD on right.

[Yukface]

Yup, nothing screams "FUN!" and "GREAT MEMORIES!" like camping something for hours and hours, finally getting the named to pop, only to have a wizard gate in and KS it from you. OMG I CAN'T WAIT!! THOSE HOURS I WASTED WILL BE SUPERFUN TO LOOK FONDLY BACK ON!!

If I wanted that bullshit, I'd be playing on a PVP server so I could do something about it. And not as a melee class.

what olarid said.. ntm you were a ranger.. you werent camping anything STOP lying

[Taxi]

I never realized how much this annoyed me until i read this thread. Remember how your heart would beat as a lvl35 when the AC spawned and you desperatly tried to pull it toward the Innothule swamp zone hoping nobody would see you? And finally HAHA its at half health, mine, MINE!

P99 version: CC? AC!

[Yukface]

I never realized how much this annoyed me until i read this thread. Remember how your heart would beat as a lvl35 when the AC spawned and you desperatly tried to pull it toward the Innothule swamp zone hoping nobody would see you? And finally HAHA its at half health, mine, MINE!

P99 version: CC? AC!

see thats the shit these guys have no idea about

[Taxi]

I guess thats not a fair example, since AC doesnt spawn always at the same spot.... but still.

[Yukface]

actually the P99 version is worse than that its:
you shout CC?
player A responds AC!

you say here it is, can i have the camp now and he says.. no im giving it to my buddy who is sleeping im gonna call him and wake him up.

Then later that day you see AC again and the following happens...
you shout CC?
player B responds AC!

you say here it is, can i have the camp now and he says.. no im giving it to my buddy who is sleeping im gonna call him and wake him up.

SEE THE LAME??

[Yukface]

Internet tough guy alert. For your reading pleasure:
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Internet_Tough_Guy

lol...i dont know whats funnier, the fact that someone with such low self esteem took the time to build that site.. or that you linked it. Go join a gym, youll feel better about yourself. honestly consider this some fatherly advice.

[Doomapple]

lol...i dont know whats funnier, the fact that someone with such low self esteem took the time to build that site.. or that you linked it. Go join a gym, youll feel better about yourself. honestly consider this some fatherly advice.

I love you Ironybot, you make such good irony.

[jilena]

Reading even a little of this thread hurt.

[dojo420]

lol...i dont know whats funnier, the fact that someone with such low self esteem took the time to build that site.. or that you linked it. Go join a gym, youll feel better about yourself. honestly consider this some fatherly advice.
more advice:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hO-IlgWawU

[Alawen Everywhere]

I have to strongly agree with Yukface on pretty much everything. The manastone camp was a complete tragedy and I can only imagine the nightmare that some of the Kunark camps will be. This boss camping shit going on between IB and DA is the lamest drama I've ever seen in my history of gaming, and that includes Kirban training the shit out of us all day every day on SZ.

If you're curious, Yukface, the raid situation devolved to this because after six months no one could beat IB at mobilization. They made up all kinds of weird stories to explain why it was unfair (GMs told IB when the spawns would be, third party software, psychic powers, you name it). Then the zerg recruiting and camping began and we have... this.

Bon appetit! (I'll take ape tit for 800.)

[Phallax]

I have to strongly agree with Yukface on pretty much everything. The manastone camp was a complete tragedy and I can only imagine the nightmare that some of the Kunark camps will be. This boss camping shit going on between IB and DA is the lamest drama I've ever seen in my history of gaming, and that includes Kirban training the shit out of us all day every day on SZ.

If you're curious, Yukface, the raid situation devolved to this because after six months no one could beat IB at mobilization. They made up all kinds of weird stories to explain why it was unfair (GMs told IB when the spawns would be, third party software, psychic powers, you name it). Then the zerg recruiting and camping began and we have... this.

Bon appetit! (I'll take ape tit for 800.)

Sound that a cow makes.

ruff ruff.

No that isnt right.

Well thats the sound your mother was making last night.

[Alawen Everywhere]

Sound that a cow makes.

ruff ruff.

No that isnt right.

Well thats the sound your mother was making last night.

You think you're pretty smart, don't you, Trebek? What with your dago mustache and your greasy hair!

[Packet]

Sounds like what you want is a PVP server. I am pretty sure all "carebear" servers were subject to the "play nice policy". Don't let the door hit ya on the way out!

Couldn't agree more. Yukface, you may have lots of play time in well populated live servers but you lack experience with the EQEMU community. There have been countless attempts to re-create the classic experience in both the "pve" and "pvp-hardcore-non-carebarish" manner. None of them worked and they always either shutdown or dramatically dropped in players. This is the very first server to EVER get it right (next to SoD). To openly allow other members to steal proclaimed camps would only add to problems and likely add to a shitload of training. It's a domino effect..

He stole my camp so I trained him!!!

"Wtf, I didn't steal his camp!!! and he just trained us... *more complaining that spreads to forums.. etc etc..*"

[mr.miketastic]

lol...i dont know whats funnier, the fact that someone with such low self esteem took the time to build that site.. or that you linked it. Go join a gym, youll feel better about yourself. honestly consider this some fatherly advice.

Why thank you! I did not think of joining a gym! Now I guess I will return the favor. You should go read some books; Valuable information has been hidden from you in them. While you are at it, you might also go see a life coach for that nasty case of asshole ya got :)

Safe travels!

[YendorLootmonkey]

what olarid said.. ntm you were a ranger.. you werent camping anything STOP lying

I was level 50 and camping Emperor Crush maybe. YOU WEREN'T THERE, MAN!!! YOU JUST WEREN'T THERE!!

[Yukface]

Yukface, you may have lots of play time in well populated live servers but you lack experience with the EQEMU community. There have been countless attempts to re-create the classic experience in both the "pve" and "pvp-hardcore-non-carebarish" manner. None of them worked and they always either shutdown or dramatically dropped in players. [/I]

I can buy that. Again, just don't profess its classic, its not.

This is the very first server to EVER get it right (next to SoD). To openly allow other members to steal proclaimed camps would only add to problems and likely add to a shitload of training. It's a domino effect..

He stole my camp so I trained him!!!

"Wtf, I didn't steal his camp!!! and he just trained us... *more complaining that spreads to forums.. etc etc..*"

You act as if I am saying people should just go all willy nilly and train and ks and grief everyone, I am not. All I am saying is that if you were actually sitting on camps instead of locking down multiple spawns at once while being half afk. you would realize that people typically wont walk up and steamroll a camp with a body in it. But that isnt what happens is it. What is happening here is people have had this server all to themselves to do what they want when they want, and thats fine. but if your ass isnt at a camp and its up.. dont think for a second you deserve a CC. thats a joke. If you want a mob sit your happy ass on it.. or go cry to that great carebear in the sky. Because I assure you I wont CC, and I will screen shot the camp.. and if i get banned doing so...well then I had fun leveling and I'll find something else to do...no worries. As far as raiding goes...the population fully supports contested mobs... not allowing that contest to happen is cheating yourself out of the greatest part of the game. if you fail to see that I wont ever convince you, and thats fine, but i have this problem where .. well.. i speak my mind.

[mr.miketastic]

Perhaps we should remember that this is not a live server, a great majority of the players here do so for free, and the owner of the emu is beholden to no one.
I should think, that when the population increases, as it has done quite a bit lately, there might some deliberation on changing some of what has *worked* with the smaller player base. I would not hold my breath were I you though.
This is a situation where if you do not agree with how the owner of this server and his delegated representatives run things, you have but to quit; No one is forcing you to play here.

And whether I agree with your points or not, it is how you present them that makes the difference...You catch more flies with honey, than you do trying to wave your e-peen around.

[astarothel]

I assure you I wont CC, and I will screen shot the camp.. and if i get banned doing so...well then I had fun leveling and I'll find something else to do...no worries.

A ss won't save you if you didn't call for a cc like the rules explicitly state.
Goodbye.

[Aeolwind]

(GMs told IB when the spawns would be, third party software, psychic powers, you name it).

I've actually heard enough of GM Favoritism for the last god damn time. Can it Alawen.

[Reiker]

Make Yukface a GM

[Reiker]

I didn't read this thread but it seems a lot of people are mad at him so he must be doing something right.

[TheDudeAbides]

If you're curious, Yukface, the raid situation devolved to this because after six months no one could beat IB at mobilization. They made up all kinds of weird stories to explain why it was unfair (GMs told IB when the spawns would be, third party software, psychic powers, you name it). Then the zerg recruiting and camping began and we have... this.

Bon appetit! (I'll take ape tit for 800.)

You guys were exploiting leatherfoot caps

[hyzon]

I feel like threads like this would happen in EQ something like this:


You have becoming better in trolling! (50)

[eqdruid76]

seriously.. lets find an argument that is intelligent.. the you are childish thing is played out.. i mean...your posting on a forum about a game.. i could ask you the same thing. But if it makes you feel better I am retired from the US Navy Nuclear power program, and have absolutely nothing better to do with my time, other than beat my wife, spank my kids, get drunk and powerwash my trailer.

Fine, I'll rephrase my question.

Do you honestly think we dont know you're actually Phallax on another account trying to gain support for your douchey actions in Paw the other night?

How's that?...

[kildevand]

I'm just amazed you sad pathetic n00bs haven't quit project 1999 yet.

I feel deeply sorry for you guys.

[Gwence]

You guys were exploiting leatherfoot caps

Time for some new material pal

[Mleh]

I'm just amazed you sad pathetic n00bs haven't quit project 1999 yet.

I feel deeply sorry for you guys.

who says n00bs?

[Taxi]

Omg take that fucking whining to the 22 page thread

[Yukface]

You catch more flies with honey, than you do trying to wave your e-peen around.

I didnt make this an RnF, you guys did, I was just trying to let the management know that, as a "classic" player, who has been here a month, my short term impression was...the camp rules are bogus. And any "classic" player that ever had an epic pre-prepop, would agree. And, finally imho, those rules will dictate a playerbase that leaves shortly after realizing the only way they will have a anything close to a classic experience is if the first 200 players on the server decide to all quit , because the rules are clearly here to accommodate them. And again, like i said in my original post if you bothered to read it before you turned on your pilot light. My opinion can be and probably is wrong in some cases but perception is reality for me and most other new players who come here. Finally, to be frank, Rogean is probably perfectly happy with 500 player average, and if so good for him, keep on trucking.
If he wants my opinion, I gave it to him, and yes i know opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. I just like to flaunt mine.

[mr.miketastic]

I didnt make this an RnF, you guys did, I was just trying to let the management know that, as a "classic" player, who has been here a month, my short term impression was...the camp rules are bogus. And any "classic" player that ever had an epic pre-prepop, would agree. And, finally imho, those rules will dictate a playerbase that leaves shortly after realizing the only way they will have a anything close to a classic experience is if the first 200 players on the server decide to all quit , because the rules are clearly here to accommodate them. And again, like i said in my original post if you bothered to read it before you turned on your pilot light. My opinion can be and probably is wrong in some cases but perception is reality for me and most other new players who come here. Finally, to be frank, Rogean is probably perfectly happy with 500 player average, and if so good for him, keep on trucking.
If he wants my opinion, I gave it to him, and yes i know opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. I just like to flaunt mine.

Opinions are like assholes; Everyone has one and most of them stink.

[Yukface]

Opinions are like assholes; Everyone has one and most of them stink.

keep em coming...
You have gotten better at posting (2)
You have lost a level in trolling (-1)

[mr.miketastic]

keep em coming...
You have gotten better at posting (2)
You have lost a level in trolling (-1)

You should have really named your toon Ironybot.

[Bruman]

They made up all kinds of weird stories to explain why it was unfair (GMs told IB when the spawns would be, third party software, psychic powers, you name it).

I've actually heard enough of GM Favoritism for the last god damn time. Can it Alawen.

Alawen said it was a made up story, not saying it was real...I'm confused at the anger.

[Alawen Everywhere]

You guys were exploiting leatherfoot caps

Here are some things for you to think about:

Druids and wizards can port to West Commons.
Any caster can bind in West Commons.
Any melee character can get a port to West Commons.
Melee characters aren't the best farmers.
Caps are convenient, but they're expensive and unnecessary.
Farming plat for bandaids is inferior to just playing well in the first place.
Maybe you're nowhere near as good at playing EQ as you think you are.

[Alleusion]

GM's only intervened (immediately) on guild contested mobs, and rarely was the intervention, or abitration as they so eloquently call it anything more than a GL dice roll.


I don't know. I distinctly remember kicking an entire guild out of Ssra temple one night when they wouldn't honor the decision made. Punted each and every single one of them to their bind point so I could sit in Ssra and watch the guild that "won" the disagreement attempt their named ring. If they failed then I was fully prepared to summon every single player I punted so they could have their turn. I'm sure the wonderful players of Saryrn had many fine tales to tell of me after that night.

Bottom line is...this is not live. It is not run by Smedley. There is no Brenlo. You play by the rules given out by the developers and powers that be here. Rules on live don't necessarily transfer over to p1999.

[mr.miketastic]

I don't know. I distinctly remember kicking an entire guild out of Ssra temple one night when they wouldn't honor the decision made. Punted each and every single one of them to their bind point so I could sit in Ssra and watch the guild that "won" the disagreement attempt their named ring. If they failed then I was fully prepared to summon every single player I punted so they could have their turn. I'm sure the wonderful players of Saryrn had many fine tales to tell of me after that night.

Bottom line is...this is not live. It is not run by Smedley. There is no Brenlo. You play by the rules given out by the developers and powers that be here. Rules on live don't necessarily transfer over to p1999.

I would say that ^ has effectively ended the discussion.

[Alawen Everywhere]

I've actually heard enough of GM Favoritism for the last god damn time. Can it Alawen.

Somehow I missed this post. I apologize if my sarcasm came off as offensive. I have no complaints about how the staff handles things.

My sincere personal opinion is that /petition should only be used for bugs or exploits. Whenever two raid forces escalate a dispute to require GM intervention, I consider it a failure of the leaders of those guilds. If server policy were up to me, I'd despawn a lot of bosses and hand out a lot of one day suspensions until the kids learned to play nice.

Then again, you guys run a successful server and I don't, so the value of my opinion is the same as any of the other blowhards on R&F.

[Yukface]

I would say that ^ has effectively ended the discussion.
I would say, stop posting in my thread cuz your a dumbass.

I don't know. I distinctly remember kicking an entire guild out of Ssra temple one night when they wouldn't honor the decision made. Punted each and every single one of them to their bind point so I could sit in Ssra and watch the guild that "won" the disagreement attempt their named ring. If they failed then I was fully prepared to summon every single player I punted so they could have their turn. I'm sure the wonderful players of Saryrn had many fine tales to tell of me after that night.

Bottom line is...this is not live. It is not run by Smedley. There is no Brenlo. You play by the rules given out by the developers and powers that be here. Rules on live don't necessarily transfer over to p1999.

Maybe you failed the recognize the word RARELY in my post. You mention the rare occasion where after the "dice roll" or whatever method you used to decide who would try "first" (I can guarantee it wasnt the guild who had 15 afk people sitting in the zone for 4 days, which btw is the point of my thread) the guild rebelled against you, yes, according to the rules you could and apparently did take action against those people and that was fine. AGAIN, I am not recommending anything other than allowing that competition to develop. ADMIT, that memory of that day was probably one of the few things all those players remember about their experience, obviously you do, which is my point.

Mr. Mikenoobtastic please stfu....you are a level 10 noob with like 20 posts... go level or do what I am doing voice your opinion about the game, your BS in this thread is not needed or desired.

[Taxi]

My god aoelwind, stop closing these huge pointless threads, its just gonna spill over to any other threads, at least contain it in one huge thread.

[eqdruid76]

Umm...neither is yours, Ace.....

[Bruman]

I would say, stop posting in my thread cuz your a dumbass.

YOUR thread. Lol. Why do people always think they own threads on a public discussion board?

"You don't agree with me, quit posting on MY internet! Because I can totally control what you do!"


Mr. Mikenoobtastic please stfu....you are a level 10 noob with like 20 posts...

That's the way to tell him! Because a person's level in a game is totally the best way to evaluate someone's opinion (especially since noone has played EQ, or any other game like this, before now), but of course then you REALLY get him with your next comment - his post count! BURN! You showed him man!

You should get two birds with one stone - start all YOUR threads with "ONLY PEOPLE WHO ARE X LEVEL AND HAVE KILLED THESE CERTAIN 3 MOBS AND HAVE A POST COUNT OF Y ARE ALLOWED TO POST IN MY THREAD".

[Ihealyou]

Nothing is better than Yukface.
I am better than nothing.
Therefore, I am better than Yukface.

[mr.miketastic]

YOUR thread. Lol. Why do people always think they own threads on a public discussion board?

"You don't agree with me, quit posting on MY internet! Because I can totally control what you do!"



That's the way to tell him! Because a person's level in a game is totally the best way to evaluate someone's opinion (especially since noone has played EQ, or any other game like this, before now), but of course then you REALLY get him with your next comment - his post count! BURN! You showed him man!

You should get two birds with one stone - start all YOUR threads with "ONLY PEOPLE WHO ARE X LEVEL AND HAVE KILLED THESE CERTAIN 3 MOBS AND HAVE A POST COUNT OF Y ARE ALLOWED TO POST IN MY THREAD".

This guy is way too easy. Watching him try and backpedal, and used dated, trite flames, is very much like watching a mentally-challenged kid run his own magic show.
Yukface, you remind me of the scene from Kung Pow where Wimp Lo gets his ass beat, then states "Ahh, I am bleeding; Clearly I am the victor!"

:)

[mr.miketastic]

I would say, stop posting in my thread cuz your a dumbass.





Mr. Mikenoobtastic please stfu....you are a level 10 noob with like 20 posts... go level or do what I am doing voice your opinion about the game, your BS in this thread is not needed or desired.

Why so serious?

You made the public post skippy. It's not your forum, so if you can't handle it, leave. The same goes for how the server is run, which is what you have been crying about ad infinitum, ad nausaeam. If you don't like it, leave. I am sure the tears shed at your absence will dry enventually.

[Yukface]

This guy is way too easy. Watching him try and backpedal, and used dated, trite flames, is very much like watching a mentally-challenged kid run his own magic show.
Yukface, you remind me of the scene from Kung Pow where Wimp Lo gets his ass beat, then states "Ahh, I am bleeding; Clearly I am the victor!"

:)

calling me a mentally challenged kid then quoting Kung Pow....yea your right!, I am the mentally challenged one. For your next trick try to wow us all with a dissertation from Sponge Bob square pants.

[pickled_heretic]

Nothing is better than Yukface.
I am better than nothing.
Therefore, I am better than Yukface.

equivocation

[mr.miketastic]

calling me a mentally challenged kid then quoting Kung Pow....yea your right!, I am the mentally challenged one. For your next trick try to wow us all with a dissertation from Sponge Bob square pants.

Umm, Ok Squidward

[Qaedain]

Nothing is better than Yukface.
I am better than nothing.
Therefore, I am better than Yukface.

Irrefutable logic is irrefutable.

[Yukface]

"ONLY PEOPLE WHO ARE X LEVEL AND HAVE KILLED THESE CERTAIN 3 MOBS AND HAVE A POST COUNT OF Y ARE ALLOWED TO POST IN MY THREAD".

What he said. does that help?

[pickled_heretic]

Irrefutable logic is irrefutable.

Like I said before. Equivocation. Fallacy. Bad logic.

[mr.miketastic]

So, today is Kamehameha day :)

Can anyone else think of something more interesting than watching Yukface act the fool?

[mr.miketastic]

Like I said before. Equivocation. Fallacy. Bad logic.

Sophistry?

[Yukface]

So, today is Kamehameha day :)

Can anyone else think of something more interesting than watching Yukface act the fool?

yea go get a kama'aina burger and a matsamoto's shave ice and stop trolling

[pickled_heretic]

Sophistry?

do you even know what sophistry means? socrates would have been the one pointing out the equivocation fallacy, not allowing bad logic to go unchecked.

[Yukface]

yea go get a kama'aina burger and a matsamoto's shave ice and stop trolling

they are in Halewai, pronounced Hal-ay-eva. you might want to grab a surf lesson while you are there, might help wash off that troll stink

[Ihealyou]

equivocation

Pickled kicks puppies, therefore my original conclusion remains true.

[pickled_heretic]

Pickled kicks puppies, therefore my original conclusion remains true.

ad hom

[Alawen Everywhere]

ad hom

The entire thread is. The original point that resolving camp disputes as individuals is a defining aspect of EQ remains undisputed.

[mr.miketastic]

do you even know what sophistry means? socrates would have been the one pointing out the equivocation fallacy, not allowing bad logic to go unchecked.

In a way, I was pointing out the comical transparency of the the "logic" being utilized to "deceive" the intended audience. Forgive my inarticulateness and brevity in trying to jape and jest in this otherwise worthless thread.

[Yukface]

In a way, I was pointing out the comical transparency of the the "logic" being utilized to "deceive" the intended audience. Forgive my inarticulateness and brevity in trying to jape and jest in this otherwise worthless thread.

I cant believe some of you guys allow this goon to speak, let alone defend him.

[Ihealyou]

ad hom

You cannot prove that I am not better than Yukface, therefore I must be better than him.

[mr.miketastic]

You cannot prove that I am not better than Yukface, therefore I must be better than him.

Point taken. The lack of negative proof, though, is not always a means of validation.

[mr.miketastic]

But I was going to say... He keeps making your point on every post :)

[Ihealyou]

Point taken. The lack of negative proof, though, is not always a means of validation.

Thats usually true, but I'm a special case.

[pickled_heretic]

Point taken. The lack of negative proof, though, is not always a means of validation.

yes, for the sake of brevity philosophers and debaters call this 'hasty generalization'

[Ihealyou]

You missed my negative proof fallacy, and a no true scottsman.

[pickled_heretic]

You missed my negative proof fallacy, and a no true scottsman.

true scotsman and equivocation can be equivocated without making an equivocation.

[mr.miketastic]

yes, for the sake of brevity philosophers and debaters call this 'hasty generalization'

It's too bad he couldn't have included some statistics.

[pickled_heretic]

It's too bad he couldn't have included some statistics.

we don't need statistics here - just good, sound logic.

TBH i just was bored of this thread and thought I found a good opportunity to hijack it.

[Ihealyou]

true scotsman and equivocation can be equivocated without making an equivocation.

First its true scotsman and squivocation being equivocated without making an equivocation, and soon enough the town will have gone to hell and the whores have moved in.

[mr.miketastic]

First its true scotsman and squivocation being equivocated without making an equivocation, and soon enough the town will have gone to hell and the whores have moved in.

There's whores? Awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spwKGFUrDqk

[Yukface]

I will agree there is an ad hom here, but it is not from me, I presented a valid argument with legitimate points surrounding the camping rules and how, in my impression they will affect the long term gaming quality of this so called "classic" server. To date, all I have gotten in retort, is

I am childish

I am threatening

and I am other such nonsense

Now those are classic signs of a fallacy or ad hom only when they are used in place of an argument. I have laid my argument clearly and concisely, and have yet to be retorted with anything other than sarcasm and or personal attacks. Feel free to add some valuable arguments. I'll be waiting.

[Qaedain]

One could say your OP was the logical fallacy of appealing to tradition.

[Ihealyou]

Where did anyone call you out on using an ad hominum?

Here's one though: You obviously can't read posts, therefore your original point is invalid.

[Yukface]

Where did anyone call you out on using an ad hominum?

Here's one though: You obviously can't read posts, therefore your original point is invalid.

Where did i say someone called me out on using an ad hom, i just stated a fact about the ad homs in this thread,

Here is another one..You obviously can't read posts, therefore your original point is invalid.

[Alleusion]

Wow, 14 pages later and we've been reduced to "I know you are, but what am I".

[Ihealyou]

I will agree there is an ad hom here, but it is not from me

To me, this sounds like you are defending yourself from accusations of using ad hominums. If I was wrong, I'm sowwy :(

To keep this post in the spirit of RnF I am obligated to say that your mom is an ad hominum.

[Scrubby McGee]

I'm going to post in this thread because I'm dumb. Hurr hurr <- that's me.

also, one thing I want to make sure is that the druid epic and the cleric epic have their old school ways of getting them.

Druid epic should have to actually camp the timorous deep water dragon (Faydadar?) instead of fighting a cheap spawned version of it.

Cleric epic will required the killing of Nagafen and the spawning of ragefire in nag's spot instead of skyfire.

I know that this isn't the right thread for this topic, so there.

[mr.miketastic]

Here is where the plethora of ad hominems from our OP occur.

You asked, so here you go:
"you think people are going to tolerate 15 afk losers sitting on a epic spawn"

"Sure keep people from being mega-douches like abacabb"

"you guys might want to go out and get real jobs, as opposed to playing a game all day and trolling forums."

"I shall immediately seek training in the ways of english... or as you would say it ...engrish

BTW assisting the lame argument of childishness with the even lamer English Police is like sooo classic EQ.. nice job!!!!"

"I am too old and grouchy to yell CC in shout when I see a named mob and none around
or to be held atbay while a guild full of Gimp zergs a mob simply
because they had 15 afkrs sitting in zone ...the fact that this fear of contest is so
strongly defended makes me want to puke....you guys play on classic eq server and run it like wowkins its frankly sad"

"Shit, I bet half you raiders can barely get mobilized and BUFFED in the time required to take down a mob spawn in classic EQ. "

"lol...i dont know whats funnier, the fact that someone with such low self esteem took the time to build that site..
or that you linked it. Go join a gym, youll feel better about yourself. honestly consider this some fatherly advice."

"I would say, stop posting in my thread cuz your a dumbass."

"Mr. Mikenoobtastic please stfu....you are a level 10 noob with like 20 posts...
go level or do what I am doing voice your opinion about the game, your BS in this thread is not needed or desired."

"I cant believe some of you guys allow this goon to speak, let alone defend him."




:)

[Yukface]

Here is where the plethora of ad hominems from our OP occur.

You asked, so here you go:
"you think people are going to tolerate 15 afk losers sitting on a epic spawn"

"Sure keep people from being mega-douches like abacabb"

"you guys might want to go out and get real jobs, as opposed to playing a game all day and trolling forums."

"I shall immediately seek training in the ways of english... or as you would say it ...engrish

BTW assisting the lame argument of childishness with the even lamer English Police is like sooo classic EQ.. nice job!!!!"

"I am too old and grouchy to yell CC in shout when I see a named mob and none around
or to be held atbay while a guild full of Gimp zergs a mob simply
because they had 15 afkrs sitting in zone ...the fact that this fear of contest is so
strongly defended makes me want to puke....you guys play on classic eq server and run it like wowkins its frankly sad"

"Shit, I bet half you raiders can barely get mobilized and BUFFED in the time required to take down a mob spawn in classic EQ. "

"lol...i dont know whats funnier, the fact that someone with such low self esteem took the time to build that site..
or that you linked it. Go join a gym, youll feel better about yourself. honestly consider this some fatherly advice."

"I would say, stop posting in my thread cuz your a dumbass."

"Mr. Mikenoobtastic please stfu....you are a level 10 noob with like 20 posts...
go level or do what I am doing voice your opinion about the game, your BS in this thread is not needed or desired."

"I cant believe some of you guys allow this goon to speak, let alone defend him."

:)

Personal insults are not ad hominems unless they are used instead of creating an argument....those are all insults, my argument was made clearly... heres another insult (not a ad hominem, momo)... your a dumbass!

[Qaedain]

No, ad hominem is any argument that includes insults and belittling.

The distinction you draw does not exist.

[Yukface]

No, ad hominem is any argument that includes insults and belittling.

The distinction you draw does not exist.

Common misconceptions about ad hominem

Gratuitous verbal abuse or "name-calling" itself is not an argumentum ad hominem or a logical fallacy.[5][6][7][8][9] The fallacy only occurs if personal attacks are employed instead of an argument to devalue an argument by attacking the speaker, not personal insults in the middle of an otherwise sound argument or insults that stand alone. "X's argument is invalid because X's analogy is false, there are differences between a republic and a democracy. But then again, X is idiotically ignorant." is gratuitously abusive but is not a fallacy because X's argument is actually addressed directly in the opening statement. "X is idiotically ignorant" is not a fallacy of itself. It is an argument that X doesn't know the difference between a republic and a democracy.
This is not to be confused with a true fallacy, which would be "X is idiotically ignorant [of politics], so why should we listen to him now?"
"In reality, ad hominem is unrelated to sarcasm or personal abuse. Argumentum ad hominem is the logical fallacy of attempting to undermine a speaker's argument by attacking the speaker instead of addressing the argument. The mere presence of a personal attack does not indicate ad hominem: the attack must be used for the purpose of undermining the argument, or otherwise the logical fallacy isn't there. It is not a logical fallacy to attack someone; the fallacy comes from assuming that a personal attack is also necessarily an attack on that person's arguments."[5]
"You are just an ignorant twit." This is an insult and it is abusive, but it is not an argument. Because it is not an argument, it cannot be a fallacy. Of course, that doesn't mean that such personal insults are OK - just that when they appear alone, they aren't logical fallacies.[10]

do not pass go do not collect $200

[mr.miketastic]

No, ad hominem is any argument that includes insults and belittling.

The distinction you draw does not exist.

Another in a long litany of fallacies from the OP.

[Ihealyou]

No, ad hominem is any argument that includes insults and belittling.

The distinction you draw does not exist.

From wikipedia:
Gratuitous verbal abuse or "name-calling" itself is not an argumentum ad hominem or a logical fallacy. The fallacy only occurs if personal attacks are employed instead of an argument to devalue an argument by attacking the speaker, not personal insults in the middle of an otherwise sound argument or insults that stand alone.

If I were to say that your point is wrong because your evidence is unsupported and by the way, you're an idiot, it wouldn't be an ad hominem because I still made a valid argument. On the other hand, if I were to say that your point is wrong because you are an idiot, it would be an ad hominem.

[Ihealyou]

And we all quoted wiki. gg

[mr.miketastic]

From wikipedia:


If I were to say that your point is wrong because your evidence is unsupported and by the way, you're an idiot, it wouldn't be an ad hominem because I still made a valid argument. On the other hand, if I were to say that your point is wrong because you are an idiot, it would be an ad hominem.

Clearly the OP is way out of his depth.

[Branaddar]

I feel I must intrude on this philosophical / grammatical / omg-where's-my-dictionary / quick-lemme-google-what-the-last-guy-said "argument" by saying something.

You are all tards.

That is all.

PS: I am, too. I just thought I should throw something flame-like back into the argument.

[Yukface]

in actuality you will see that never once did I say something like...

Hey Mikenoobtastic, your a dumbass noob who doesnt know his ass from a hole in his head, and since you are only level 10 with 17 posts I dont really give a shit what you think about camping mobs.

I actually solicited his opinion on the argument, and insulted his lack of ability to do such.

Opposedly he immediately tried to degrade my posts value with the, you are sure to bring more douchebaggery like boneface, which is a PROTOTYPE Ad hominem.

spend less time reading forums and more time reading your 8th grade homework.

[Yukface]

Clearly the OP is way out of his depth.

clearly I am the one out of my depth....you might want to go back to reading comprehension 101.

[Ihealyou]

Branaddar trained Dvinn on me and got away with it because of the obvious GM favoritism towards barbarians. Something about IB, DA, and Abacab too.

[Yukface]

Branaddar trained Dvinn on me and got away with it because of the obvious GM favoritism towards barbarians. Something about IB, DA, and Abacab too.

impossible Dvinn has to be perma-camped!
8p

[Branaddar]

I make it my life's work to train as many people as possible so when I make my monk they know I'll be a good puller.

[Ihealyou]

Your monk can pull my heart any time.

[mr.miketastic]

And we all quoted wiki. gg

Wiki is awesome. :)

[mr.miketastic]

in actuality you will see that never once did I say something like...

Hey Mikenoobtastic, your a dumbass noob who doesnt know his ass from a hole in his head, and since you are only level 10 with 17 posts I dont really give a shit what you think about camping mobs.

I actually solicited his opinion on the argument, and insulted his lack of ability to do such.

Opposedly he immediately tried to degrade my posts value with the, you are sure to bring more douchebaggery like boneface, which is a PROTOTYPE Ad hominem.

spend less time reading forums and more time reading your 8th grade homework.

Actually, your argument would have more validity were I trying to, like you, hide behind a shield of moral superiority.

[Branaddar]

Yes, we're all very impressed with how you argue about how well you argue, but can we get back on topic?

Barbarian favouritism by GMs... GO!

[mr.miketastic]

Yes, we're all very impressed with how you argue about how well you argue, but can we get back on topic?

Barbarian favouritism by GMs... GO!

Cool! I think I will roll a barbarian!

[Olarid99]

ad hominononnss shomanaonans or whatevers, I'ma park my ass at phinny for the next year and watch him sit there, my camp, my rules, you want to kill the mob, you pay with all that plat you farm! I like these rules, no point in changing them!

[Stepy]

Now that the thread is so far off track it lost it's usefulness, how about getting back to the primary topic.


1) AFK toons sitting in zone for hours for the purpose of claiming a raid target, what can we do about this?


2) Perma-camping for high value items and using unconventional methods to displace the item as a way to bypass that pesky 'lore' flag, what should we do about this!

[pickled_heretic]

Now that the thread is so far off track it lost it's usefulness, how about getting back to the primary topic.
"it's" the contraction means "it is," e.g. a linking verb phrase - you mean "its" as in the possessive.

Also, I declare that this is grammer friday.

[Ihealyou]

"it's" the contraction means "it is," e.g. a linking verb phrase - you mean "its" as in the possessive.

Also, I declare that this is grammer friday.

*grammar
*Friday

[Olarid99]

*grammar
*Friday

Nice!

[Doomapple]

This is the most painful thread I have read in a while.

Please continue *Tightens the clamps on his nipples*

[Olarid99]

Now that the thread is so far off track it lost it's usefulness, how about getting back to the primary topic.


1) AFK toons sitting in zone for hours for the purpose of claiming a raid target, what can we do about this?


2) Perma-camping for high value items and using unconventional methods to displace the item as a way to bypass that pesky 'lore' flag, what should we do about this!


1) Rick roll them anyway or just forget about the mob in question?

2) Try and get your hands on one and when you do, auction that bitch off since no one can take it from you or they get /gasp BANNED!

[Yukface]

1) Rick roll them anyway or just forget about the mob in question?

2) Try and get your hands on one and when you do, auction that bitch off since no one can take it from you or they get /gasp BANNED!

Man, I think I am gonna just in South RO from now to eternity, afk, with a bot program that reads ooc and shout for "camp check" and follows up with AC.

Then when he does spawn noone can ever kill it without me getting them banned, and if I feel frisky, I can just sell the kill rights. DAMN, this is the dawning of a new mmo philosphy, you dont hafta even kill anything anymore to get rich.

I mean I can camp frenzy and sell the kill rights, If he doesnt drop anything... TOO BAD FOR JOO!!! OMGAH this is awesome!

[mr.miketastic]

Man, I think I am gonna just in South RO from now to eternity, afk, with a bot program that reads ooc and shout for "camp check" and follows up with AC.

Then when he does spawn noone can ever kill it without me getting them banned, and if I feel frisky, I can just sell the kill rights. DAMN, this is the dawning of a new mmo philosphy, you dont hafta even kill anything anymore to get rich.

I mean I can camp frenzy and sell the kill rights, If he doesnt drop anything... TOO BAD FOR JOO!!! OMGAH this is awesome!

I knew you could accept things here :)

[Ihealyou]

Man, I think I am gonna just in South RO from now to eternity, afk, with a bot program that reads ooc and shout for "camp check" and follows up with AC.

Then when he does spawn noone can ever kill it without me getting them banned, and if I feel frisky, I can just sell the kill rights. DAMN, this is the dawning of a new mmo philosphy, you dont hafta even kill anything anymore to get rich.

I mean I can camp frenzy and sell the kill rights, If he doesnt drop anything... TOO BAD FOR JOO!!! OMGAH this is awesome!

*no one
*philosophy
*have to
*you
*OMG

[Olarid99]

Man, I think I am gonna just in South RO from now to eternity, afk, with a bot program that reads ooc and shout for "camp check" and follows up with AC.

Then when he does spawn noone can ever kill it without me getting them banned, and if I feel frisky, I can just sell the kill rights. DAMN, this is the dawning of a new mmo philosphy, you dont hafta even kill anything anymore to get rich.

I mean I can camp frenzy and sell the kill rights, If he doesnt drop anything... TOO BAD FOR JOO!!! OMGAH this is awesome!

See, when life gives you lemons, you make lemonade! And in this case, selling camp rights!

[Yukface]

Now that the thread is so far off track it lost it's usefulness, how about getting back to the primary topic.


1) AFK toons sitting in zone for hours for the purpose of claiming a raid target, what can we do about this?


2) Perma-camping for high value items and using unconventional methods to displace the item as a way to bypass that pesky 'lore' flag, what should we do about this!

*powders Stepy's wig

that was nice of you!

[Yukface]

See, when life gives you lemons, you make lemonade! And in this case, selling camp rights!

how many you think we can hold for eternity?

[pickled_heretic]

*grammar
*Friday

>implying that spelling is grammar

[Ihealyou]

Just trying to improve your posts as a whole nabrolean.

[Stepy]

"it's" the contraction means "it is," e.g. a linking verb phrase - you mean "its" as in the possessive."

you know what; sinse this isa discus sion bored and is'nt a well ritten works of art i kould carr les about un inglash lessun:

[pickled_heretic]

Just trying to improve your posts as a whole nabrolean.

wat is a nabrolean

[Yukface]

just locking down phinny alone as a goal would eliminate what? 4 epics that would never ever happen? We could easily 3 man that.
Bard, Mage, Rog, Wiz.....No epics for JOO!!!!

[Ihealyou]

wat is a nabrolean

Nabrolean is Napolean with a pink polo shirt, a popped collar, and some natty lights.

[Olarid99]

I mean, the argument is simple. If a group of 6 people roll up to say, Frenzy, and there is one necro there with 5 corpses on the ground all with fbss on them and the group of 6 people take the camp, given the current ruleset, the 6 people will be banned vice removing the one selfish asshole from the camp for a few days.

If thats ok with everyone then theres nothing to discuss.

[Yukface]

let me play devils advocate a bit here....

example A: you are in group and plowing around near frenzy, when you come across a necro with 2 of his corpses at his feet. You notice frenzy is up... what do you do?

example B: same scenario except its the 3rd day in a row you have been in lguk and the same necro is still there only now he has 4 corpses under his feet... what do you do?

example C: Lets say your a cleric and decided to work on your epic you get to the part where you have to spawn (he's a rare spawn) and kill Lord Gimblox in Solusek's EYE, and is only level 30. Has has been known to take 3 days to spawn. How'd you like to have some nice level 40 perma camped there offering to sell you the rights to kill HIS mob when it finally does spawn.

I could go on and on....factually I think most of you have no idea of the hellstorm that is brewing and will unleash full force when epics come out.

[Stepy]

"example B: same scenario except its the 3rd day in a row you have been in lguk and the same necro is still there only now he has 4 corpses under his feet... what do you do?"

I guess this would depend on who the necro is, lets say its Pickled then maybe he died every time he tried to kill frenzy and is holding spawn till someone helps him. ;)

If the necro in question is I then wait in EC i shall be there soon with a FBSS for everyone. :rolleyes:

[pickled_heretic]

"example B: same scenario except its the 3rd day in a row you have been in lguk and the same necro is still there only now he has 4 corpses under his feet... what do you do?"

I guess this would depend on who the necro is, lets say its Pickled then maybe he died every time he tried to kill frenzy and is holding spawn till someone helps him. ;)

If the necro in question is I then wait in EC i shall be there soon with a FBSS for everyone. :rolleyes:

not a necro.

[YendorLootmonkey]

not a necro.

That's why you died every time you tried to kill frenzy in Stepy's scenario.

[pickled_heretic]

That's why you died every time you tried to kill frenzy in Stepy's scenario.

I could probably solo him, but I'm still not a necro.

[Falisaty]

Common misconceptions about ad hominem

Gratuitous verbal abuse or "name-calling" itself is not an argumentum ad hominem or a logical fallacy.[5][6][7][8][9] The fallacy only occurs if personal attacks are employed instead of an argument to devalue an argument by attacking the speaker, not personal insults in the middle of an otherwise sound argument or insults that stand alone. "X's argument is invalid because X's analogy is false, there are differences between a republic and a democracy. But then again, X is idiotically ignorant." is gratuitously abusive but is not a fallacy because X's argument is actually addressed directly in the opening statement. "X is idiotically ignorant" is not a fallacy of itself. It is an argument that X doesn't know the difference between a republic and a democracy.
This is not to be confused with a true fallacy, which would be "X is idiotically ignorant [of politics], so why should we listen to him now?"
"In reality, ad hominem is unrelated to sarcasm or personal abuse. Argumentum ad hominem is the logical fallacy of attempting to undermine a speaker's argument by attacking the speaker instead of addressing the argument. The mere presence of a personal attack does not indicate ad hominem: the attack must be used for the purpose of undermining the argument, or otherwise the logical fallacy isn't there. It is not a logical fallacy to attack someone; the fallacy comes from assuming that a personal attack is also necessarily an attack on that person's arguments."[5]
"You are just an ignorant twit." This is an insult and it is abusive, but it is not an argument. Because it is not an argument, it cannot be a fallacy. Of course, that doesn't mean that such personal insults are OK - just that when they appear alone, they aren't logical fallacies.[10]

do not pass go do not collect $200

MY GOD I feel like im back in College... my brain hurts

[Stepy]

Yes it's true pickled took me down and seven seconds flat and only used 1% mana, he is truly the best i surrender all my titles to him. ;)

[eqdruid76]

Yes it's true pickled took me down and seven seconds flat and only used 1% mana, he is truly the best i surrender all my titles to him. ;)

But you were level 3, and he was level 36......

[Stepy]

Thats beside the point, do not deminish his accomplishments. :D

[Deeps]

to the OP, you are literally too stupid to insult

[Yukface]

to the OP, you are literally too stupid to insult

Hey, I always have figuratively.

[eqgamer]

Just to support the OP's point - the camp rules are pretty far off from "original" live. There WERE NO CAMPS in live. <---- if you don't remember this then you're too fucking stupid to be arguing in this thread.

A perfect example of this would be after Kunark was released. I rolled a twinked monk when I landed a Fungi for the first time. When it came time to camp Raster, the spawn was ALWAYS good for experiencing some drama.

I had been at that camp for a verrrry long time, just to have another monk and bard come steal it from me by use of bard AoE song. The first to engage had the right to kill, period <---- point reinforced by a Guide that showed up to the camp after I reported the situation.

Do I absolutely agree that this is how it should be? Not really. But seeing a solo necro call out frenzy for LGuk CC's every time I go is getting fucking old.

[mr.miketastic]

Just to support the OP's point - the camp rules are pretty far off from "original" live. There WERE NO CAMPS in live. <---- if you don't remember this then you're too fucking stupid to be arguing in this thread.

A perfect example of this would be after Kunark was released. I rolled a twinked monk when I landed a Fungi for the first time. When it came time to camp Raster, the spawn was ALWAYS good for experiencing some drama.

I had been at that camp for a verrrry long time, just to have another monk and bard come steal it from me by use of bard AoE song. The first to engage had the right to kill, period <---- point reinforced by a Guide that showed up to the camp after I reported the situation.

Do I absolutely agree that this is how it should be? Not really. But seeing a solo necro call out frenzy for LGuk CC's every time I go is getting fucking old.

You should ask for your money back then... Oh wait, this is a free emu server!

Also, stating that people are too fucking stupid to remember X from live means that you might too fucking to stupid to remember that this is a fucking game. I was indeed a guide briefly before I quit playing, despite the doubts from some, and situations like camps were always up to the guide's judgement at that moment, ad hoc as it were.

Right now, at this time, it seems that there are indeed camp rules here. If this causes you such anguish and ruins your fun, then you should look at the server selection list and find yourself another place to play.

:)

[eqgamer]

I've noticed a funny trend with the community here at P99.

Step 1: Argue that XXX is indeed "classic" albeit not.
Step 2: Cry "stop QQing" lots when questioned on it.
Step 3: Resort to "THIS IS F2P!!!" or "THIS IS P99, NOT CLASSIC" tactics if all else fail.


Sorry, but you idiots can't argue that something was classic and then take the stance that "Oh well, go fuck yourself if you don't like it cuz this is free anyways".

Get real. I find it extremely unlikely that you were ever a guide in original EQ. Guess what? I also had entered into the guide program. I was accepted, went through all the bullshit, and even had a copy of the guide rules via .rtf file for a very long time (shit, I wish I could find that still). I quit due to being only 16 at the time and having too much to do with school and such, but that's besides the point - being a guide doesn't give you some ultimate fucking knowledge award for original EQ information.

My main point stands - if you're too much of a fucking dolt to remember something like THERE ARE NO CAMPS then you don't belong putting input into what was classic or not.

[Alleusion]

My main point stands - if you're too much of a fucking dolt to remember something like THERE ARE NO CAMPS then you don't belong putting input into what was classic or not.

He's right. There was no official standpoint on camps when the game went live. Players were expected to handle things on their own without resorting to disruption. When it was determined that the player base had the mentality of a preschooler regarding sharing, the play nice policy was added. Even that got ignored for the most part. The community on most servers came together and developed a standard of play that worked for them.

[eqgamer]

On a side note, in regards to "handing" camps off to friends - which I haven't witnessed yet myself (doesn't mean it isn't happening) - there were always lines for high-demand camps (see: Drelzna pre-nerf). Whoever was there first, got the mob in question until they got their drop. Followed by whoever came next, and so on. There was no solo necro saccing himself with FBSSes on corpses. The first time he got the drop, he was outta there and the next person was in. And this system worked with a REAL gaming community - if someone was perma farming FBSSes in live we'd train his ass and take the camp, which was only needed every so often because the douchebaggery wasn't as high back then, gg kthxbi.

[mr.miketastic]

On a side note, in regards to "handing" camps off to friends - which I haven't witnessed yet myself (doesn't mean it isn't happening) - there were always lines for high-demand camps (see: Drelzna pre-nerf). Whoever was there first, got the mob in question until they got their drop. Followed by whoever came next, and so on. There was no solo necro saccing himself with FBSSes on corpses. The first time he got the drop, he was outta there and the next person was in. And this system worked with a REAL gaming community - if someone was perma farming FBSSes in live we'd train his ass and take the camp, which was only needed every so often because the douchebaggery wasn't as high back then, gg kthxbi.

Bye then. I hope you find a place that you like better.

[Yukface]

Bye then. I hope you find a place that you like better.

Mr mikenoobtastic, i do have to give you credit on one thing, although you are obviously too dumb to understand the argument in this thread and as such continue to post pointlessly, still managing to add zero relevant information, somehow, you do an outstanding job of hiding your reason for defending lameness so vehemently.

Are you a necro, who is sitting on a camp (or camps) and have nothing better to do while you wait hours for a pop so you post here? (i doubt it, because you dont seem that dedicated, two level 10s)

OR,

Are you a level 10 who sucks so bad you cannot find a group that will have you, so in the interim you have found a worthwhile purpose to continue your pathetic excuse of a life by posting here. (noting you have yet to add any significant form of logic)

OR,

Are you just plain too stupid to realize no one here gives a shit what you think anymore, you have had your chance to say something valuable and continue to pop your greasy acne zit-juice of noobness all over our thread.

Can we all just ask you to please just stop posting in this thread, find another thread... you have a better chance of not sounding like a total moron there. Here all hope is lost.

[Yukface]

Feels like a good time to add another point.... so here it goes.

I have heard/read this server will never introduce Luclin. My guess is the carebears are scared to death of AA's. Again a feature that made EQ the greatest MMO ever and a very classic and still much desired feature in todays version of mmo's. Take the leap and prove me wrong. Flame on.

[Leokaiser]

Yukface, perhaps if you didn't post in such an insultory manner, people may be more sympathetic to your point of view. As it is, any valid points you may have made have been lost to 20 pages of childish back-and-forth bickering. Others may be guilty of this too, but you pretty much set the tone in your inital post (and it doesn't take much to get a rise out of R&F in any case!).

Not intended as a flame, but perhaps you would get a better discussion going in future if your language was a bit more neutral.

The jist of this topic is currently being discussed in a few other threads which are far less polluted with trolling.

[pickled_heretic]

This is america and we have slavery here. That's just the way it is. If you don't like it, you can always move back to Europe.

[Alleusion]

This is america and we have slavery here. That's just the way it is. If you don't like it, you can always move back to Europe.

I'm not in America...sorry.

Just a side note though...I was under the impression that on live, if you had a lore item on your corpse, in your bank, or in your shared bank, that you were not able to loot another one. Obviously that's not how it is here. Perhaps if it were, there wouldn't be a single solo necro always camping Frenzy.

Please continue with your (now) pointless rant.

[mr.miketastic]

Mr mikenoobtastic, i do have to give you credit on one thing, although you are obviously too dumb to understand the argument in this thread and as such continue to post pointlessly, still managing to add zero relevant information, somehow, you do an outstanding job of hiding your reason for defending lameness so vehemently.

Are you a necro, who is sitting on a camp (or camps) and have nothing better to do while you wait hours for a pop so you post here? (i doubt it, because you dont seem that dedicated, two level 10s)

OR,

Are you a level 10 who sucks so bad you cannot find a group that will have you, so in the interim you have found a worthwhile purpose to continue your pathetic excuse of a life by posting here. (noting you have yet to add any significant form of logic)

OR,

Are you just plain too stupid to realize no one here gives a shit what you think anymore, you have had your chance to say something valuable and continue to pop your greasy acne zit-juice of noobness all over our thread.

Can we all just ask you to please just stop posting in this thread, find another thread... you have a better chance of not sounding like a total moron there. Here all hope is lost.

So basically, your only argument against what I say is to resort to online thuggery, and attack me despite your overwhelming ignorance about me.
I actually have no need to defend myself from your absurd assertions, or, I guess I could say you know two things about me; Jack and shit, and Jack left town.
Now that we have settled your grotesquely ignorant ranting about my circumstances. You are the stupid shit who rolled in here moaning like a little bitch about the camp rules here, and, managing to insult a good part of the playerbase.

Your manner denoted some incredibly arrogant sense of superiority over everyone here, and you tried to cover up for your overweening pride by saying " Well, I just speak my mind" Well there is nothing wrong with speaking your mind, but it is another thing altogether when you act like a fuck shit stack, and you sir, are a stack of fuck and shit.

Furthermore, you pathetic excuse of a syphilis infected cum bubble from the depths of a pseudo-amateur porn queen's ass, this is not your fucking forum, nor is it your fucking emu server so if you can only bitch, moan and whine about the rules...fucking leave, and take your sock puppet(s) with you.
Good day sir!

[Taxi]

lol i go camping for a weekend and this shit is still goin on

[mr.miketastic]

lol i go camping for a weekend and this shit is still goin on

AND YOU LOVE IT!

:)

[eqgamer]

Mr.Miketastic - You've shown zero credibility that you can make a valid argument about anything being discussed here. Although your childish rant on Yukface was mildly entertaining, the fact remains that you're a fucking twat with no intelligible conversation to add to this discussion.

With such a vivid imagination of such things as that which comes from the depths of a porn stars ass, I'd say you've spent a decent amount of time researching the subject. So, congrats on your future in cheap adult novel writing.

[mr.miketastic]

Mr.Miketastic - You've shown zero credibility that you can make a valid argument about anything being discussed here. Although your childish rant on Yukface was mildly entertaining, the fact remains that you're a fucking twat with no intelligible conversation to add to this discussion.

With such a vivid imagination of such things as that which comes from the depths of a porn stars ass, I'd say you've spent a decent amount of time researching the subject. So, congrats on your future in cheap adult novel writing.

Thank you Mr. Sockpuppet_01. While I appreciate your concern about credibility, you have about as much as I do regarding this thread. I think I could extend the same advice to you as I did, perhaps a bit too profane, to Yukface: If this server's rules creates undue anguish in your life, you should consider leaving for another server where you will be catered to.

Now let's address the rant shall we?

The reason I had to resort to such pithy language, is that it seems Yukface had a hard time understanding normal language, so I decided to try communicating in whiny-ass-prickese so he would understand. If you do not like what I write, you are cordially invited not to read it. However, if you are that easily trolled, and get that upset over text, I foresee lipitor and angina meds in your future.

[pickled_heretic]

The point that I tried to make about slavery was that "If you don't like it, just leave" does not support an argument. If someone views something as genuinely wrong and they are an ethical person, they're not going to leave; they're going to try to change it. Instead of insulting them by telling them they should leave you should try to find reasons why things should stay the way they are. I'm not saying I agree with the OP or anyone else here, I'm just saying that I'm annoyed by the "don't like it? just leave" argument.

[mr.miketastic]

The point that I tried to make about slavery was that "If you don't like it, just leave" does not support an argument. If someone views something as genuinely wrong and they are an ethical person, they're not going to leave; they're going to try to change it. Instead of insulting them by telling them they should leave you should try to find reasons why things should stay the way they are. I'm not saying I agree with the OP or anyone else here, I'm just saying that I'm annoyed by the "don't like it? just leave" argument.

Frankly, I am just here to play. I think if the OP had approached the community in a different way, let's say, NOT beating his chest and assuming a pose of superiority then I think there would have been more agreement.

I will admit to being an asshole, and Yukface and Eqgamer. I apologize for writing the inflammatory things I did,and I hope that we can sincerely put this all behind us.

Now, let's think about the issue at hand. Think about root cause. We have more and more players but the content remains static. Throw in the people who can and will lock down certain spawns and camps, and you have frustrated players having to farm platinum to buy the items that they would rather have had the chance to get normally.

New content, like Kunark, should go a long way towards shifting the camps away from the classic content, and thus giving people a better chance of getting drops.
Moreover, the new content will probably necessitate some tweaking of the server rules, so there is the possibility of change in the offing. I think the powers that be could be considering this though they do not publicly state so.

But, at least for me, the rules are the rules and until they change they should be adhered to lest they become more draconian because of actions like training, killstealing and other assorted thuggery.

[eqgamer]

It rather sounds to me that you're making the argument that "Oh, well when Kunark is released, all the asshole farmers will be in Kunark instead and the rest of the suckers that had no chance before can now farm crap items in original."

Let's face it - there is NOTHING ethical about holding a high-value item camp for such long durations via storing items on corpses. There is nothing ethical about "handing off" camps to friends rather than giving it over to the next person in line. I haven't seen a SINGLE group camping the FBSS since I started going to LGuk weeks ago. I'm bound right next to the zone line and visit every night.

And although I haven't been witness to it personally as I'm not 50 and raiding yet, from what I hear, the raiding on this server is a fucking joke. 12+ people AFKing in a zone to "claim" the raid target? Give me a fucking break. Half the fun of original content raiding was the competition and snap-organization that went into downing the spawns. I'd have to question anyone's validity of experiencing original raiding that said otherwise.

And what Pickled said remains true - perhaps throwing your arms up and saying fuck it is acceptable means to handle a situation for yourself - it is not for me. So I'll rant and flame til I'm blue in the face to try to convince even a single person here that the camping rules on this server need changing.

Oh, and on a side note, I found this leak of the original PNP which outlines camping and KSing. How it was back then, and how it should be now, on a true "classic" server. For your viewing pleasure: Original PNP (http://www.loreseekers.com/news_detail.php3?id=107)

[mr.miketastic]

It rather sounds to me that you're making the argument that "Oh, well when Kunark is released, all the asshole farmers will be in Kunark instead and the rest of the suckers that had no chance before can now farm crap items in original."

Let's face it - there is NOTHING ethical about holding a high-value item camp for such long durations via storing items on corpses. There is nothing ethical about "handing off" camps to friends rather than giving it over to the next person in line. I haven't seen a SINGLE group camping the FBSS since I started going to LGuk weeks ago. I'm bound right next to the zone line and visit every night.

And although I haven't been witness to it personally as I'm not 50 and raiding yet, from what I hear, the raiding on this server is a fucking joke. 12+ people AFKing in a zone to "claim" the raid target? Give me a fucking break. Half the fun of original content raiding was the competition and snap-organization that went into downing the spawns. I'd have to question anyone's validity of experiencing original raiding that said otherwise.

And what Pickled said remains true - perhaps throwing your arms up and saying fuck it is acceptable means to handle a situation for yourself - it is not for me. So I'll rant and flame til I'm blue in the face to try to convince even a single person here that the camping rules on this server need changing.

Oh, and on a side note, I found this leak of the original PNP which outlines camping and KSing. How it was back then, and how it should be now, on a true "classic" server. For your viewing pleasure: Original PNP (http://www.loreseekers.com/news_detail.php3?id=107)

*shrug* :)

[jilena]

I don't think that gay ass "let's suck each other's cock and share the camp" PnP shit came out til post Kunark. At least I never encountered anyone who was a big enough asshole to try and abuse it til well into Kunark. Just saying.

I have a necro. I have camped frenz for extended periods of time. Every single time I wanted that camp, I had to log in at the asscrack of dawn, get on the list, and sit there for 4-10 hours until the camp was mine. What the fuck is stopping anyone else from doing this? Just forcing your way in on some guy who has been there for 16 hours with no drop is a pretty dick move imo. If people are being too crazy with storing lore items on corpses maybe make that shit bannable? I don't care about that. Starting the whole forced rotation on exp/loot camps bullshit is gay as fuck. I'd rather have them just remove all rules and let people who can KS do so than be forced to share. *shrug*

[mr.miketastic]

"It rather sounds to me that you're making the argument that "Oh, well when Kunark is released, all the asshole farmers will be in Kunark instead and the rest of the suckers that had no chance before can now farm crap items in original."


If you look a little closer, I also made mention that with the new content, and the influx of more players, the rules might just be revisited. There is also the possibility, since this is a privately run emu that is free of charge, of the rules becoming more restrictive if behavior gets out of hand.

I don't care if farmers like to spend every waking moment of their life camping specific drops/mobs, because this is just a game, and what they are wasting their life on is just pixels. I only want to play and have fun, and my fun is not sweating over competing with people. I have no need to. I will enjoy the game from a more casual perspective and leave it at that, but I will still follow the rules, and if I can't then I will leave.

[eqgamer]

If you've got a casual mindset and couldn't care less about improving your character, then this discussion is moot to you and your input is invalid because the situation does not affect you, obviously.

And while this server is free to play on (which it HAS to be, btw, not just because the devs are generous) - doesn't mean it can't be improved to better reflect what it's intended to emulate.

[mr.miketastic]

If you've got a casual mindset and couldn't care less about improving your character, then this discussion is moot to you and your input is invalid because the situation does not affect you, obviously.

And while this server is free to play on (which it HAS to be, btw, not just because the devs are generous) - doesn't mean it can't be improved to better reflect what it's intended to emulate.

I can agree with that, but your with your assertion that my input is invalid I can't. My playstyle has nothing to do with the existing set of rules.
The original post and many of the subsequent ones were ad captandum vulgus, and I disagreed with them. Also, assuming that a casual has no wish to improve their character is a fallacious argument: That is an assumption.

I used to be a powergamer, but now I am more casual, but that does not mean I can't understand the hypercompetitive nature of the powergamer. Quite the opposite I should think.