Dark Ascension...phallax, quite the char

[braveheart]

these guys are something else i tell ya

[Gwence]

The newest way to tell if someone is a total loser nowadays is if the first words they type are "better watch out, Im frapsing this".

Im sure he wasnt frapsing because Phalice is a total fucking moron that can barely tell night from day, but the fact he said it right away makes him an even bigger loser.

[nicemace]

whats the problem here?

i dont see anything wrong.

[Kinamur1999]

Looks like a classic case of Character A claims camp rules are this and character B claims camp rules are that. In the end it comes down to which character backs down first, and which char can ks the other.

Welcome to P99

[astarothel]

If you have no competition in the zone, you are more than welcome to hold as many as you like. The moment another party wants to claim a camp and you are "farming" multiple, you must decide which camp you want and forfeit the ones someone else is interested in. We still expect players to use the courtesy camp check before zerging a room.

Phallax clearly didn't call the CC. If he did he had, OP would have claimed the camp. Either he a) called it and didn't receive a response or ignored it, or b) didn't call it at all. Either way the camp isn't his.

OP clearly didn't have the mob on a timer, as he stated he had been there for four hours, so it's not the situation was that he was logging on to clear it the moment it was up.

You also don't have to be clearing a camp to maintain control, just clearing any associated placeholder(s), and have the ability to move in on that placeholder when it spawns.

Bottom line clarified and verified on IRC by Nilbog the other night when a question on camps in dungeons arose was as follows:

If you don't call a CC when you move in, your claim isn't legit.
Second you call the CC, and a claim is responded to, the responder is stuck at that camp and can't leave it without releasing the claim.

You just can't muscle your way in, sorry bro.

[Kinamur1999]

You just can't muscle your way in, sorry bro.

But you can!!!

[nicemace]

but he wasnt even at the camp....

[Phallax]

Oh man Cazic you are something else. Lol. You must be present at the camp to claim it. No CC was needed as I ran down to Ishva, sat for a good 5 minutes. Summoned my pet, buffed myself and my pet and got full mana and health before clearing the guards.

On my way down I clearly saw Cazic just sitting up top, no where near the Ishva room.

Talk all the shit you want, I followed the rules and claimed the camp. End of story.

It seems you have a hard-on for me to go through all the trouble of taking the SS, cropping it, making a post about it then making a fake phallaxtrader bot to get me spammed. Its a sad sad day that I was afk for a few hours spending time with my family(yes I actually do take time away from the game omg!) so the spam didnt effect me at all. Plan failed!

[Phallax]

Oh and for the record I did FRAPs it, because Cazic is widely known for starting shit over camps.

[nicemace]

oh thats cazic... shit ive had him come in and try steamroll camps off me too

[eqholmes]

Phallax did nothing wrong.

[Loke]

Was Phallax in the right technically as far as rules go? I guess that depends on your interpertation of the rules. I would say that *technically* he was not actively in the camp so *technically* it was open.

Personally would I have handled the situation that way? No. I like Phallax. I've never had problems with him, he shows up to raids, and is quick to throw me STA and Tuna when I ask. Sure he can be mouthy on the boards, but I'm guilty of the same crime; so I can't fault the guy for that. That being said, I don't agree with the way he handled this situation. I'll be the first to admit that had I been in your place and he had tried to take the Ishva camp from me, we'd have had a serious problem.

My empathy for your situation ends there though. You're need to hop on the anti-DA band wagon by dragging a guild into a personal matter was uncalled for. If you wanted to inform the leadership of DA that Phallax was acting like a jack-off, there are far better ways to do that than ranting our guild.

[Phallax]

Was Phallax in the right technically as far as rules go? I guess that depends on your interpertation of the rules. I would say that *technically* he was not actively in the camp so *technically* it was open.

Personally would I have handled the situation that way? No. I like Phallax. I've never had problems with him, he shows up to raids, and is quick to throw me STA and Tuna when I ask. Sure he can be mouthy on the boards, but I'm guilty of the same crime; so I can't fault the guy for that. That being said, I don't agree with the way he handled this situation. I'll be the first to admit that had I been in your place and he had tried to take the Ishva camp from me, we'd have had a serious problem.

My empathy for your situation ends there though. You're need to hop on the anti-DA band wagon by dragging a guild into a personal matter was uncalled for. If you wanted to inform the leadership of DA that Phallax was acting like a jack-off, there are far better ways to do that than ranting our guild.

There was no situation untill Cazic created it. How can you "claim" a camp if you are not present in it? And elsewhere exping/PLing/farming in the zone? You cant.

As I stated in his awesome SS and here, I gave him plenty of time to check the camp and stop me from claiming it. I sat there for a good 15 minutes before there was ANY sign of him anywhere near Ishva room.

Thatd be like me being in guk, clear frenzy, then go sit at lord for 25 mins untill frenzy repops, come back to some enc/necro prepping to take frenzy. The camp is now the enc/necro's because I left the camp. 36 hours or not you must be present in the camp.

[Shrubwise]

Phallax

Phallus





lolololool

[eqdruid76]

Note: Increments of measurements and time are inherently exxagerated by online gamers.

[braveheart]

there is no situation lol, i gave him the camp because yes he was following the rules i never said he wasnt....... i just wanted to show the community what kinda people you guys are : ) good day!

[Loke]

There was no situation untill Cazic created it. How can you "claim" a camp if you are not present in it? And elsewhere exping/PLing/farming in the zone? You cant.

As I stated in his awesome SS and here, I gave him plenty of time to check the camp and stop me from claiming it. I sat there for a good 15 minutes before there was ANY sign of him anywhere near Ishva room.

Thatd be like me being in guk, clear frenzy, then go sit at lord for 25 mins untill frenzy repops, come back to some enc/necro prepping to take frenzy. The camp is now the enc/necro's because I left the camp. 36 hours or not you must be present in the camp.

Don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying that you did anything wrong... I'm just saying that I would have handled the situation differently. I think comparing a 36 hour camp to a 28 minute camp is a poor example. I don't know the situation aside from what I read in the screenshot so I'm not sure what he was doing or where he was - but I wouldnt have been clearing the camp if I knew the mob wasn't due either... although I would have at least been in the camp.

I wasn't saying that you were acting like a jack-off, I was simply stating that if he felt you were, he should have contacted our officers as opposed to ranting an entire guild for the actions of an individual.

[Phallax]

Don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying that you did anything wrong... I'm just saying that I would have handled the situation differently. I think comparing a 36 hour camp to a 28 minute camp is a poor example. I don't know the situation aside from what I read in the screenshot so I'm not sure what he was doing or where he was - but I wouldnt have been clearing the camp if I knew the mob wasn't due either... although I would have at least been in the camp.

I wasn't saying that you were acting like a jack-off, I was simply stating that if he felt you were, he should have contacted our officers as opposed to ranting an entire guild for the actions of an individual.

true true fair enough, the frenzy camp is the best scenario I could come up with.

The situation is all in the SS text he posted, it lasted all of 3 minutes. He didnt even stick around to try and argue me further there. He left as soon as he saw me down there. And didnt /tell me untill he had already walked away.

IMO I think he knew he was in the wrong and lost the camp and just wanted some juice to post on the boards.

[Erik]

there is no situation lol, i gave him the camp because yes he was following the rules i never said he wasnt....... i just wanted to show the community what kinda people you guys are : ) good day!

Damn, he was doing something according to the rules.... Quick I must tell everyone what a jerk he is...

[Loke]

there is no situation lol, i gave him the camp because yes he was following the rules i never said he wasnt....... i just wanted to show the community what kinda people you guys are : ) good day!

Really? This is what I'm talking about. You're taking the actions of one person and using it as evidence to judge an entire group... pretty sure there are a number of real life examples that can show the flaw in your logic there.

As far as I'm concerned you can fuck right off - I'm included in the kind of people DA is, and I'd be willing to wager that I have a far better reputation than you on this server. I challenge you to find one person who has a legit qualm with me here for something I've done to them. Sure, everyone may not agree with my posts or opinions on here - but my in game conduct, along with the majority of DA, is nothing short of cordial.

Plus - if I remember right, Phallax is still an applicant... so you're judging a guild based off a person who is a trial member. Good job guy.

[eqholmes]

Its chill Loke some people are narrow minded and blame lots of people for ones auctions. I say we blame Cleopatra. LOUD NOSIES!

Ps. I love lamp

[astarothel]

There was no situation untill Cazic created it. How can you "claim" a camp if you are not present in it? And elsewhere exping/PLing/farming in the zone? You cant.

Because as was stated, there was no one else vying for it.
The quoted section explained exactly how low to hold more than one camp provided there was no one else around. You didn't call the CC. had he known there was someone else interested in it, he would have sat there for it as far as I can tell. You didn't call the CC, so by the rules you didn't give him a chance to claim it as his. It doesn't matter if he wasn't clearing trash (that he didn't need to either I might add), and that he wasn't there.

I'm not saying I like the camp claiming rules, just saying that as they are written Phallax is in the wrong because he didn't give the CC to let the OP claim it.

I mean here's how *I* would have the camp rules: "You aren't there, you can't claim it". Simple as that. Unfortunately, the way the rules are written you need to courtesy CC it, which at times is sort of silly. I mean if you aren't there you shouldn't be able to hold it. That being said, there are some times when courtesy CCs are nice. If I go off to pity rez someone in the zone, come back and some asshole has stolen my camp because they didn't call a CC, I feel I am justifiably pissed (and yes I have that happen more often than you would think). My favourite place to farm is uguk. I farm it a lot. When I go there I run timers and could snag pretty every rare in the zone if I wanted to. If someone is already at a camp tho, or plops down on one of my timers tho, I don't care. I wasn't there, and don't hold a presence at a spot -- too bad for me.

[nicemace]

you shouldnt confuse the words courtesy and obligatory.

[braveheart]

I wasn't there because i was helping lowbies level... i had a level 38 ranger that was tracking for me when it popped and had a 45 rogue with me trying to help them level.

[astarothel]

you shouldnt confuse the words courtesy and obligatory.

We still expect players to use the courtesy camp check before zerging a room


I'm not. It is both.

[Stepy]

Ugh my eyes are to old to read all the small purple text so i have a question.
Are you saying that if i fight my way to a camp and sit in the camp and wait for spawn that it's not mine unless i keep all the nearby guards cleared when it may not be necessary ?
If i am misunderstanding the SS i was trying to read just let me know.

[braveheart]

click on it stepy it zooms in and you will be enlightened

[nicemace]

i dont read expecting a courtesy as mandatory.

i expect some dude show courtesy and not steal my shoes. however, that is not always the case.

[braveheart]

in fact you shouldn't read anything in this thread, except that text, thats the whole point of this thread!

[astarothel]

Ugh my eyes are to old to read all the small purple text so i have a question.
Are you saying that if i fight my way to a camp and sit in the camp and wait for spawn that it's not mine unless i keep all the nearby guards cleared when it may not be necessary ?
If i am misunderstanding the SS i was trying to read just let me know.

That's the claim. The camping rules however, mention nothing other than the need to engage the mob within a reasonable time after it spawns.

How you pull the camp is up to you, as long as you are able to engage the mobs very shortly after they are spawned.

[nicemace]

you guys are neglecting the fact that he wasnt at the camp.

no indication could have been given to phallax that the area was camped, no mobs were dead, no PC's were in the area of the camp, so he sat down and went at it.

youre a SK too, if you didnt want to kill, you could have at least sat in the room and feigned on the spawn location.

[Jaytee]

Doesn't seem like this really needed a thread. I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you are still bitter about us taking draco after he spawned on your raid and caused you guys to wipe.

[astarothel]

you guys are neglecting the fact that he wasnt at the camp.

You're neglecting the fact that it is irrelevant according to the rules.

If you have no competition in the zone, you are more than welcome to hold as many as you like. The moment another party wants to claim a camp and you are "farming" multiple, you must decide which camp you want and forfeit the ones someone else is interested in.

This here ^^ is reflected through the camp check call.

[nicemace]

yeah, and so how would others know you are camping something unless you are there or you have killed the mobs..

as i said, no indication was given that the area was camped. so fair game imo.

[astarothel]

yeah, and so how would others know you are camping something unless you are there or you have killed the mobs..

Others would call a CC?

Really, I think we've been through this.

[nicemace]

not everyone calls CC, i know i dont, i just run to camp to see if anyone is there, or mobs are dead.

if mobs are dead and no one is there, then ill CC to find out what the dilly is with camp.

in this case, it was full spawn and no one around. looks like an open camp to me... pretty straight forward.

[oldhead]

gotta be at the camp to claim it. Simple rules.


with that said unless I was at the camp for 10 or 15 mins I would have given it back just to be polite

[eqholmes]

I would rather run to a camp to see if someone is there "camping it" then call a CC and have another person notice you cc no one claimed the camp and run there and beat me to it and claim that they were....My prime example is dino in OOT, far to many times have I CC to have the person not even be there. I would honestly rather waste my time running there and seeing if its camped myself.
This whole CC thing when you arrive at an uncamped mob to see if another person might be off somewhere else in the zone between spawns camping other mobs is pure crap.

[astarothel]

not everyone calls CC, i know i dont, i just run to camp to see if anyone is there, or mobs are dead.

if mobs are dead and no one is there, then ill CC to find out what the dilly is with camp.

in this case, it was full spawn and no one around. looks like an open camp to me... pretty straight forward.

That's great. Unfortunately those aren't the formal rules in place.
As I stated, I think they current rules in place are flawed in many regards, but that's just the way they are written right now.

[nicemace]

as per the example used in the 'formal rules'

*Example* You are doing Ghoul Magi, Lord, and Frenzy in lguk. Another group arrives to claim a camp. If they stumble upon a spawned room devoid of players, they can claim it. Where your group resides is your camp; choose wisely.

[braveheart]

This has nothing to do with the rules, I just wanted to show everybody what DA is about when they app to them. The first post shows a very interesting conversation with one of them I had today. This is a very common experience for me from that guild and after a variety of issues with them, I decided to post just a single one.

[Stepy]

ok, i had to dig out the reading glasses to read that crap and here is my opinion. I'm going to assume they are both level 50, i am also assuming that it's still much like the original EQ. Taking that into account there is one main reason a level 50 would be in paw, the ishva robe or summoned corpse spell(is it in game yet) so if a second level 50 zoned in he would presume that ishva would be camped. When i was camping the ishva robe back in the old days i did not have to clear any mob to camp that spot and i just mez, DD and lifetap the mob to death all solo at 50. If things are different with the zone mechanics and will not allow a level 50 to camp the spot now just let me know.

[astarothel]

as per the example used in the 'formal rules'

That example uses lguk, a place so permacamped that will never be in the situation explicitly mentioned where you have free reign over the zone.

[Taxi]

This has nothing to do with the rules, I just wanted to show everybody what DA is about when they app to them. The first post shows a very interesting conversation with one of them I had today. This is a very common experience for me from that guild and after a variety of issues with them, I decided to post just a single one.

They may take our camps, but theyll never take.... OUR FREEEEDOOOOOOMM!!!! *proceeds to get staked in the ass.*

[Phallax]

This has nothing to do with the rules, I just wanted to show everybody what DA is about when they app to them. The first post shows a very interesting conversation with one of them I had today. This is a very common experience for me from that guild and after a variety of issues with them, I decided to post just a single one.

So every time you deal with DA you get nothing but members following rules? Oh the horror!

[braveheart]

hahahaha

[Taxi]

Braveheart's chivalrous and righteous, but ultimately tragically doomed crusade against Dark ascension and their evil people:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLrrBs8JBQo

[Cyrano]

Phallax I like you, but that's a dick move.

I had a similar thing happen to me when I was camping JBoots in Najena. I was with two guys camping it, I was next in line, and then went LD between a spawn. When I came back they said I had left the camp it was there. She spawned the next time and they KS'd and ported out real quick.

As your elementary teachers always taught you; Golden Rule > Server Rules.

[braveheart]

Taxi!! that video was so funny my face and throat hurt from laughing it fits so well with whats going on!!!

[Loke]

This has nothing to do with the rules, I just wanted to show everybody what DA is about when they app to them. The first post shows a very interesting conversation with one of them I had today. This is a very common experience for me from that guild and after a variety of issues with them, I decided to post just a single one.

Please feel free to post more or talk to me personally about instances in which members of DA are acting in what you consider an unacceptable manner. While I am not an officer, nor am I in any official position to discipline members; if I agree that you've been wrong by a member I will do my best to see that it is brought to the attention of and dealt with by the leadership of my guild.

There are better ways to approach an issue like this, and I hope in the future you use one of those as oppose to ranting an entire guild. That was my issue with this post... not that you made it - but how you made it. While this is my first impression of you Cazic, and it admittedly has not been a good one; as I said before - if in the future you have an issue with a member of Dark Ascension, I assure you that if you send me a /tell I will listen to your issue and do my best to help you resolve it... and if I cannot, I will get someone involved who can. Just for example, this run in you had with Phallax I'm sure I could have resolved without having to get any aside from myself, yourself and Phallax involved.

I admit that maybe we have some people in DA that are deplorable humans.. I don't think Phallax is one of them.. but it is possible that we do; I honestly don't know every person on a deep personal level. Maybe some of our members are the picture perfect players on raids/groups and complete assholes when alone. If this is the case and we do have a few bad apples, let us know so we can take care of them. Like I said, I'm more than willing to hear any complaints you have - and I'm sure any officer of DA would say the same thing.

[Phallax]

Phallax I like you, but that's a dick move.

I had a similar thing happen to me when I was camping JBoots in Najena. I was with two guys camping it, I was next in line, and then went LD between a spawn. When I came back they said I had left the camp it was there. She spawned the next time and they KS'd and ported out real quick.

As your elementary teachers always taught you; Golden Rule > Server Rules.

Im not seeing how its a dick move? Anyone in the zone(there were 2 other 50s not with Cazic or at Ishva camp) could have easily claimed Ishva from any spot or camp they wished when a CC is /shouted and no one answers. The best way to check is camp is visually checking it. If it looks tampered with then yes I will ask for a CC but there wasnt a soul anywhere near the camp.

[Taxi]

Taxi!! that video was so funny my face and throat hurt from laughing it fits so well with whats going on!!!

I was being sarcastic. Im sure that in any guild in any MMO as large as DA there are some people that can potentially be asses and not. To try to paint them all as bad people because of some anecdote is ridiculous.

[braveheart]

oh bummer, i should have taken a screenshot of the chat i had with one of their officers... maybe next time

[Taxi]

TBH all these whining threads make me wish for a pvp server, surely its easier to deal with hackers than this shit.

[Durison]

Read the camping rules

[darkblade717]

The whole guild is trash, just ignore them and you'll be better off.

[Evorix]

this post is fail.... don't be bitter about fear. learn from mistakes and move on. we've lost mobs for stupid reasons and we learned from it and will for sure not happen again.

[Aadill]

^ hopefully

[Loke]

The whole guild is trash, just ignore them and you'll be better off.

Oh, whats up random anon person spouting generalities.. thanks for your insight.

[Modus]

i just wanted to show the community what kinda people you guys are : )

All you showed was that's your a whiny, crybaby douche who rumormongers on the forum when you don't get your way.

[Modus]

that* and you're*

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you are still bitter about us taking draco after he spawned on your raid and caused you guys to wipe.

and This.

[eqdruid76]

All you showed was that's your a whiny, crybaby douche who rumormongers on the forum when you don't get your way.

That pretty much sums up every single person who plays an MMO. :P

[fefifofum]

oh bummer, i should have taken a screenshot of the chat i had with one of their officers... maybe next time

i clearly told you i was not an officer, and i told you to talk to one. i also said that you can handle your issues with my husband when he logged on since he is the GL. but you said no you wanted to talk to me. i was being as nice as i could be to you, and you pushed me to be an ass.. which i am not known for at all. the smart thing you guys could of done was not sit at a dragon's spawn point when you know he is due at anytime =)

[Humwawa]

there is no situation lol, i gave him the camp because yes he was following the rules i never said he wasnt....... i just wanted to show the community what kinda people you guys are : ) good day!


What kinda people "Who" are?

You see radically different behaviors in an individual throughout a day, let alone the "mindset" of an entire group of them in the same period.

Nice shot at trying to make it a guild issue.

[soup]

Looks to me like this is what happened:
Cazic is camping the Ishva, no one is around to compete for it, so he decides to help out some people in the zone with whatever they're doing instead of just sitting in the room with his thumb in his ass, ready to go sit in the room if someone who would compete for it shows up. Phallax shows up, likely sees him in the zone, and also knows there's a good chance he wont be in the room at the moment, and he also knows calling a camp check would get Cazic to return to the room, so he just swoops in and starts killing and says "You weren't here" ie. being a douche bag.

[President]

Looks to me like this is what happened:
Cazic is camping the Ishva, no one is around to compete for it, so he decides to help out some people in the zone with whatever they're doing instead of just sitting in the room with his thumb in his ass, ready to go sit in the room if someone who would compete for it shows up. Phallax shows up, likely sees him in the zone, and also knows there's a good chance he wont be in the room at the moment, and he also knows calling a camp check would get Cazic to return to the room, so he just swoops in and starts killing and says "You weren't here" ie. being a douche bag.

Sounds pretty accurate. Especially since he basically stated he knew he would lose the camp if he called camp check.

[Phallax]

Sounds pretty accurate. Especially since he basically stated he knew he would lose the camp if he called camp check.

Nah its pretty inaccurate, if you actually read what I say, i never CC if i can run to the camp. visually checking >> social

[Modal]

Im not seeing how its a dick move?

I'll bet if you'd been there 4 hours and someone stole your camp on a technicality, you'd see then how it's a dick move.

[Mountaineer]

i clearly told you i was not an officer, and i told you to talk to one. i also said that you can handle your issues with my husband when he logged on since he is the GL. but you said no you wanted to talk to me. i was being as nice as i could be to you, and you pushed me to be an ass.. which i am not known for at all. the smart thing you guys could of done was not sit at a dragon's spawn point when you know he is due at anytime =)

Dang man, you turned Fefi into an ass? Thats impressive.

[President]

Nah its pretty inaccurate, if you actually read what I say, i never CC if i can run to the camp. visually checking >> social

Anyone in the zone(there were 2 other 50s not with Cazic or at Ishva camp) could have easily claimed Ishva from any spot or camp they wished when a CC is /shouted and no one answers.

1. Going forward, if you intend to hold or claim a camp, your group must retain presence at that camp. If you have no competition in the zone, you are more than welcome to hold as many as you like. The moment another party wants to claim a camp and you are "farming" multiple, you must decide which camp you want and forfeit the ones someone else is interested in. We still expect players to use the courtesy camp check before zerging a room. If there is a full spawn of mobs in a camp room up I think that would be considered not camped. How you pull the camp is up to you, as long as you are able to engage the mobs very shortly after they are spawned.

Hmm.... Accurate.

[Phallax]

Hmm.... Accurate.

Speculation is awesome isnt it?

[soup]

Nah its pretty inaccurate, if you actually read what I say, i never CC if i can run to the camp. visually checking >> social

Right, you chose to forgo ANY level of courtesy or lack of douchebaggery to run there and check the camp so you could say "HA! You aren't here, it's mine!" even though everyone knows that there is zero need for him to be in the room or be killing the guards. All this type of behavior does is make it so people wont want to help others exp'ing in the zone when they camp something, since some douche like you will just run in and steal the camp without calling a CC.

[President]

Speculation is awesome isnt it?

Knowing your a fuck douchebag is awesome, isn't it?

[Loke]

the smart thing you guys could of done was not sit at a dragon's spawn point when you know he is due at anytime =)

Fefi, stop giving away our raid strategies! Now everyone on the server is going to know that parking a raid in the graveyard when Draco is due is a bad idea. There goes our strategic advantage!

[eqdruid76]

I have to agree, regardless of WHOSE camp it was, the OP tried to be civilized, and Phallax went straight for the big douchebag route. OP wins by default.

Phallax, learn to get along with others ingame, or go back to EZ server.

[Phallax]

Right, you chose to forgo ANY level of courtesy or lack of douchebaggery to run there and check the camp so you could say "HA! You aren't here, it's mine!" even though everyone knows that there is zero need for him to be in the room or be killing the guards. All this type of behavior does is make it so people wont want to help others exp'ing in the zone when they camp something, since some douche like you will just run in and steal the camp without calling a CC.

He could have EASILY taking his "exp crew" down to Ishva area. Was he there? No Why EXP somewhere else when youre "camping" somthing. Makes no since at all to me. Keep the assumption posts coming, theyre great.

And as for president callnig someone else a douchebag, pot meet kettle. Probably one of the bigger tools to troll the board.

[President]

He could have EASILY taking his "exp crew" down to Ishva area. Was he there? No Why EXP somewhere else when youre "camping" somthing. Makes no since at all to me. Keep the assumption posts coming, theyre great.

And as for president callnig someone else a douchebag, pot meet kettle. Probably one of the bigger tools to troll the board.

Bahaha. Comparing my *trolling* of the boards to you douchebagging someone out of a camp is, well, pathetic.

Obviously not much makes sense to you, and you are making that very clear with ever subsequent post.

Keep the denial coming, first step in understanding your a douchebag.

[gnomishfirework]

I am not reading this whole thread.

The camp rules are very clear.

OP is wrong by his own evidence. Why is this at 8 pages? L O L come on people.

[Phallax]

I have to agree, regardless of WHOSE camp it was, the OP tried to be civilized, and Phallax went straight for the big douchebag route. OP wins by default.

Phallax, learn to get along with others ingame, or go back to EZ server.

I get along fine with others in game, ask pretty much anyone I interact with. I knew Cazics past of how he trys to "claim" camps and bitches when things dont go his way. Of course im going to jump the gun when hes no where near for 15+ mins and then all the sudden shows up, sends a msg then runs off. (BTW he ran off before I even replied)

[President]

I am not reading this whole thread.

The camp rules are very clear.

OP is wrong by his own evidence. Why is this at 8 pages? L O L come on people.

Camp rules are clear. He is free to roam the zone if there is no competition for camps. Once there is competition, he has to claim his camp. So.. you are wrong.

1. Going forward, if you intend to hold or claim a camp, your group must retain presence at that camp. If you have no competition in the zone, you are more than welcome to hold as many as you like. The moment another party wants to claim a camp and you are "farming" multiple, you must decide which camp you want and forfeit the ones someone else is interested in. We still expect players to use the courtesy camp check before zerging a room. If there is a full spawn of mobs in a camp room up I think that would be considered not camped. How you pull the camp is up to you, as long as you are able to engage the mobs very shortly after they are spawned.

[soup]

He could have EASILY taking his "exp crew" down to Ishva area. Was he there? No Why EXP somewhere else when youre "camping" somthing. Makes no since at all to me. Keep the assumption posts coming, theyre great.

And as for president callnig someone else a douchebag, pot meet kettle. Probably one of the bigger tools to troll the board.

It's funny, because the more you post, the more you prove him right, that you're a douche bag that is.

There was no need at all for him to be in the room or kill the guards, you knew that calling a CC would make him go back to the room, so you decided to just roll in and go "HAHA ITS MINE"

Doesn't matter WHAT the rules say, the way you handled it was 100% douche bag.

[gnomishfirework]

Camp rules are clear. He is free to roam the zone if there is no competition for camps. Once there is competition, he has to claim his camp. So.. you are wrong.

If there is a full spawn of mobs in a camp room up I think that would be considered not camped. How you pull the camp is up to you, as long as you are able to engage the mobs very shortly after they are spawned.

He wasn't even killing them. He admitted.

[President]

Doesn't matter WHAT the rules say, the way you handled it was 100% douche bag.

Yea, pretty obviously a case of someone attempting to exploit a portion of the rules for his benefit.

[President]

He wasn't even killing them. He admitted.

Ishva spawn is not like other camps. There is no PH, there is no need to clear the guards every time they spawn. Once he spawns, the guards can they be cleared. This is one of those "falls in between" scenarios that Phallax exploited for his benefit. It is quite obvious by the tells screenshot that Phallax knew he was being a douche and immediately went on the defensive.

[soup]

Yea, pretty obviously a case of someone attempting to exploit a portion of the rules for his benefit.

He will probably respond with something along the lines of "Oh, so I'm a douche bag for following the rules now?"

Well, yeah, you sure are. An example would be if I'm camping Gynok in Befallen, and say right after I kill the PH, someone asks for a port for a CR, so I bind to Befallen and tell them to run there, and port them, and gate back, but in the 40 seconds I'm gone, someone comes in and takes the camp, and once I explain the situation to them, instead of saying "Oh, okay, carry on" they choose to say "You weren't here, therefore it's mine. I'm fraps'ing this BTW."

[Phallax]

It's funny, because the more you post, the more you prove him right, that you're a douche bag that is.

There was no need at all for him to be in the room or kill the guards, you knew that calling a CC would make him go back to the room, so you decided to just roll in and go "HAHA ITS MINE"

Doesn't matter WHAT the rules say, the way you handled it was 100% douche bag.

I love people that never read the full posts, just want they want to post about. Maybe you skipped the part where "I never CC any camp I can just run to" part? Yea that. It wasnt omg theres 50s in this zone Ishva might be claimed! It was hey I zoned in lets go look at Ishva as I do every time.

So keep the douchebaggery claims coming, it just further prooves you are indeed the douchebags of the thread.

[eqdruid76]

[QUOTE=Phallax;74831"I never CC any camp I can just run to" .[/QUOTE]

Then you're a fool. And discourteous. And certainly on the do not port list.

[gnomishfirework]

Ishva spawn is not like other camps. There is no PH, there is no need to clear the guards every time they spawn. Once he spawns, the guards can they be cleared. This is one of those "falls in between" scenarios that Phallax exploited for his benefit. It is quite obvious by the tells screenshot that Phallax knew he was being a douche and immediately went on the defensive.

I am aware, but a camp is considered if you are in the room. The rules are clear on this. Until another group zones in, you are free to kill whatever, but if you aren't clearing an area and someone comes and starts clearing the room, it is theres.

[Phallax]

The true douchebags are the ones that check post every post in R&F just to see what drama they can stir up. This thread didnt involve you what so ever... So why look at it? Exactly to be total douchebags and think youre cool and make assumption posts all day.

[gnomishfirework]

The true douchebags are the ones that check post every post in R&F just to see what drama they can stir up. This thread didnt involve you what so ever... So why look at it? Exactly to be total douchebags and think youre cool and make assumption posts all day.

LOL welcome to rants and flames.

[Phallax]

I dont even know why Im defending myself against a community full of self indulged jack asses. I was in the right in every way. Im done GG NO RE keep posting.

[President]

I am aware, but a camp is considered if you are in the room. The rules are clear on this. Until another group zones in, you are free to kill whatever, but if you aren't clearing an area and someone comes and starts clearing the room, it is theres.

In this case, the area is "cleared" because the named mob or PH is not spawned. There are many other camps around norrath where you don't have to clear the entire room to kill the named. In many cases, the Lord in guk can be pulled without having to kill his guards. If a group rolled down, saw that the named/ph wasn't up, but the guards were, do you think it would be acceptable for them to claim the room as there even though an enchanter has been "clearing" a few of the named/ph's? Or should he be given the chance to choose his camp like the rules state?

[President]

I dont even know why Im defending myself against a community full of self indulged jack asses. I was in the right in every way. Im done GG NO RE keep posting.

Looks like someone finally realized they are a douchebag. Have fun.

[soup]

I love people that never read the full posts, just want they want to post about. Maybe you skipped the part where "I never CC any camp I can just run to" part? Yea that. It wasnt omg theres 50s in this zone Ishva might be claimed! It was hey I zoned in lets go look at Ishva as I do every time.

So keep the douchebaggery claims coming, it just further prooves you are indeed the douchebags of the thread.

Right, you don't CC camps because you know that gives you less chance of taking a camp from under someone's nose.

[eqdruid76]

I dont even know why Im defending myself against a community full of self indulged jack asses. I was in the right in every way. Im done GG NO RE keep posting.

You should probaby be more concerned that you made R&F at all. This isn't the first time, either. The fact that you have multiple players getting pissed enough to make posts about you ought to tell you something. It probably doesn't, but it OUGHT to. /shrug

[Phallax]

You should probaby be more concerned that you made R&F at all. This isn't the first time, either. The fact that you have multiple players getting pissed enough to make posts about you ought to tell you something. It probably doesn't, but it OUGHT to. /shrug

Im pretty sure this is the first one...
Sorry had to jump back in on that.

[eqdruid76]

Im pretty sure this is the first one...
Sorry had to jump back in on that.

You're wrong.

A lot of complaints in-game as well.

And from now on, call camp checks before you piss more people off. It will save you some amount of grief and hostility.

[gnomishfirework]

In this case, the area is "cleared" because the named mob or PH is not spawned. There are many other camps around norrath where you don't have to clear the entire room to kill the named. In many cases, the Lord in guk can be pulled without having to kill his guards. If a group rolled down, saw that the named/ph wasn't up, but the guards were, do you think it would be acceptable for them to claim the room as there even though an enchanter has been "clearing" a few of the named/ph's? Or should he be given the chance to choose his camp like the rules state?

If they were sitting in the room, yea. It is there camp.

Otherwise, someone can call it without being there just because they have a tracker, and they can maximize their names without having to "claim" the camp as per the rules. This is the exact situation the rules are made to prevent.

If the rules aren't enforced to the letter there will be anarchy. Consistancy is key. Sure, maybe the OP was very courteous and willing to come to some agreement and made a great effort to do so despite Phallanx's douche baggery, but the rules man. The rules.

[Phallax]

You're wrong.

A lot of complaints in-game as well.

And from now on, call camp checks before you piss more people off. It will save you some amount of grief and hostility.

Show me the post about ME. And give me names of in-game. I gaurantee you pretty much everyone I encounter Im generous and helpful to...Even IB...

[eqdruid76]

If they were sitting in the room, yea. It is there camp.

Otherwise, someone can call it without being there just because they have a tracker, and they can maximize their names without having to "claim" the camp as per the rules. This is the exact situation the rules are made to prevent.

If the rules aren't enforced to the letter there will be anarchy. Consistancy is key. Sure, maybe the OP was very courteous and willing to come to some agreement and made a great effort to do so despite Phallanx's douche baggery, but the rules man. The rules.

Isn't there another rule that states when you claim acamp, you must state as such in /shout?

[President]

If they were sitting in the room, yea. It is there camp.

Otherwise, someone can call it without being there just because they have a tracker, and they can maximize their names without having to "claim" the camp as per the rules. This is the exact situation the rules are made to prevent.

If the rules aren't enforced to the letter there will be anarchy. Consistancy is key. Sure, maybe the OP was very courteous and willing to come to some agreement and made a great effort to do so despite Phallanx's douche baggery, but the rules man. The rules.

The rules say they are free to roam the zone if there is no competition. There wasn't competition, he was free to roam the zone. Once there is competition, he is required to pick a camp, of which the option wasn't given to him.

The rules were made to prevent an ench/nec whatever from claiming 4 camps in lower guk because he had the ability to move to each one at the time they spawned. They were not made to allow someone to run to a camp where the named/ph isn't up, kill the mobs in the room, and go "You weren't sitting right here it's mine now."

[soup]

If they were sitting in the room, yea. It is there camp.

Otherwise, someone can call it without being there just because they have a tracker, and they can maximize their names without having to "claim" the camp as per the rules. This is the exact situation the rules are made to prevent.

If the rules aren't enforced to the letter there will be anarchy. Consistancy is key. Sure, maybe the OP was very courteous and willing to come to some agreement and made a great effort to do so despite Phallanx's douche baggery, but the rules man. The rules.

Just like the rules say someone can take my camp if I leave Befallen for 40 seconds to port someone on a corpse run while knowing exactly what Gynok's PH timer is. Sure, the rules say they can do it, but you'd be hard pressed to find someone who wouldn't call it a 100% douche bag manuever.

It's a shame when people throw out any level of courtesy just because they know they can get what they want by yelling "The rules allow it!"

[soup]

It's even worse when you consider that it's not a clear cut case of the rules supporting Phallax, either.

[eqdruid76]

Show me the post about ME. And give me names of in-game. I gaurantee you pretty much everyone I encounter Im generous and helpful to...Even IB...

I can take a dump in a box and label it "gauranteed"...

guaranteed, even. :)

And I thought you were finished? Right or no, you're still a jerk.

[gnomishfirework]

Isn't there another rule that states when you claim acamp, you must state as such in /shout?

I dunno. Im not gonna go read the rules again. I see no point until someone quotes something that contradicts some point I made so I can then find some way around being wrong.

I never have problems in game with camps unless some jerk comes along. I am courteous to the point that it makes people sick cause its just a game and I don't care enough to deal with it.

[gnomishfirework]

Just like the rules say someone can take my camp if I leave Befallen for 40 seconds to port someone on a corpse run while knowing exactly what Gynok's PH timer is. Sure, the rules say they can do it, but you'd be hard pressed to find someone who wouldn't call it a 100% douche bag manuever.

It's a shame when people throw out any level of courtesy just because they know they can get what they want by yelling "The rules allow it!"

I wouldn't expect courtesy when phat loots are at stake. Competition makes enemies of blood relations, let alone strangers.

[pickled_heretic]

I have no agenda here really but I want to add 2 things.

1. Phallax helped me out in sola one time when i lagged into the lava and crawled out at 10% into a bunch of clockwork gnomes that I was kos with. I was stuck FD there for about 5-10 minutes, did a /shout to the zone, and phallax was there shortly to regen/invis me. Thank you Phallax.

2. Camp rules are less than clear to me and asking for clarification from several people has resulted in more confusion. I've had the same person (an individual in a position of authority) say "no, you don't have to be at a camp to claim it" and "yes, you do have to be at a camp to claim it" within the space of 10 minutes. I was then insulted for asking for clarification about his statements. A lot of people seem to believe that camp rules are common sense. If it was common sense there would be no reason to have a rule in the first place and the fact that many things are not common sense is why laws and rules are made. I think we could save everyone some stress if the rules for camps were revised and updated a bit.

[hyzon]

Gnomish, I'm not sure if you've done anything but avoid reading every post in this thread that made sense.

[eqdruid76]

I have no agenda here really but I want to add 2 things.

1. Phallax helped me out in sola one time when i lagged into the lava and crawled out at 10% into a bunch of clockwork gnomes that I was kos with. I was stuck FD there for about 5-10 minutes, did a /shout to the zone, and phallax was there shortly to regen/invis me. Thank you Phallax.

2. Camp rules are less than clear to me and asking for clarification from several people has resulted in more confusion. I've had the same person (an individual in a position of authority) say "no, you don't have to be at a camp to claim it" and "yes, you do have to be at a camp to claim it" within the space of 10 minutes. I was then insulted for asking for clarification about his statements. A lot of people seem to believe that camp rules are common sense. If it was common sense there would be no reason to have a rule in the first place and the fact that many things are not common sense is why laws and rules are made. I think we could save everyone some stress if the rules for camps were revised and updated a bit.

Birds of a feather...

[gnomishfirework]

Gnomish, I'm not sure if you've done anything but avoid reading every post in this thread that made sense.

I made some posts too.

[hyzon]

I made some posts too.

That was taken into account when I wrote that.

[gnomishfirework]

Gnomish, I'm not sure if you've done anything but avoid reading every post in this thread that made sense.

How was I supposed to know from this? I thought you just noticed me reading the thread and decided to call me out. You must be very specific.

[Gorroth]

Twelve pages in less than 8 hours over this. You people are whack. =/

[Pheer]

I love people that never read the full posts, just want they want to post about. Maybe you skipped the part where "I never CC any camp I can just run to" part? Yea that. It wasnt omg theres 50s in this zone Ishva might be claimed! It was hey I zoned in lets go look at Ishva as I do every time.

So keep the douchebaggery claims coming, it just further prooves you are indeed the douchebags of the thread.

cause we all know theres shitloads of other stuff in paw that 50s want to camp right? i mean theres tons of reasons 50s would be in paw other than the ishva mal isnt there?

[Yinaltin]

to make a long post short :
having a good sense and after the camping person is telling you he was there for 4 hours, i in fact would have stopped shouting "it was open noone there its MINE HAHAH" and skipped .

but as a person always wanting to fight and argue with others sure you can claim "it was free it is MINE NOW and you suck HAHAH"

its all about respect and behaviour .

[TheDudeAbides]

Just like the rules say someone can take my camp if I leave Befallen for 40 seconds to port someone on a corpse run while knowing exactly what Gynok's PH timer is. Sure, the rules say they can do it, but you'd be hard pressed to find someone who wouldn't call it a 100% douche bag manuever.

It's a shame when people throw out any level of courtesy just because they know they can get what they want by yelling "The rules allow it!"

This isn't Nam

There are rules

[Mleh]

If someone plans to kill a mob and you zone in and take the camp, you are a douchebag regardless of "server rules"; and a guild should be held responsible for the actions of all their members, trial and officers alike.

Nerd raging over server rules is even more ignorant, you don't seem to just simply enjoy playing the game you rage online to force people out of camps for your profit. You are a sad person.

[Abacabb]

Phallus is mad cause he gets carried through planar raids and feels inadequate when the ball si actual in his court.

I don't blame him, I'd totally flip the fuck out too if claiming a camp was the only forum to let out my pent up frustration and inferiority complex

[Abacabb]

Phallus is mad cause he gets carried through planar raids and feels inadequate when the ball is actually in his court.

I don't blame him, I'd totally flip the fuck out too if claiming a camp was the only forum to let out my pent up frustration and inferiority complex

Butchered that sentence...

[girth]

Phallax is a douche bag who thinks just because he never calls CC he can walk in and ignore the rules in place that allow the person/group at an area the longest to choose which camp they get to keep after another person/group wants to move in and 'have their share'.

[girth]

Phallax, you remind me of Craig Hoffman from Family Guy.

Meg: Hi, Craig. Umm, I was wondering if maybe you would want to, I don't know, go out sometime?
Craig Hoffman: Huh, that's about as likely as me playing by someone else's rules besides my own. Which I would never do. I play by my own rules, nobody else's, not even my own.
Meg: How 'bout a movie?
Craig: I don't go out with dudes.

[girth]

tl;dr

Phallax: Huh, that's about as likely as me playing by someone else's rules besides my own. Which I would never do. I play by my own rules, nobody else's, not even my own.

[Phil]

Here's a story:

The other day in LGuk we had a very nice group going that was pulling pretty much executioner, ass/sup, and cav/sav/sage. It was great exp and great prospective loot. We were sitting somewhere in between the camps, but closer to exe. When someone called camp check we did that super clever thing where different members of the group claim different spawns. Some group moved into ass/sup because we weren't technically there, even though we had broken it down and been pulling it consistently.

I thought about making up some stench about how we had broken and controlled the camp, but then I realized that I was just being a greedy little bitch that wanted a roll on a thick banded belt.

Anyways, moral of the story is if you're not there to camp the damn camp it is not yours, no matter how greedy you may be. I don't care if it's a 36 hour spawn. If you want to camp a fucking no-life spawn like that then yes, you DO have to sit there with your thumb up your ass. You can't go have your cake (help friends level) and eat it too (claim a spawn that is somewhere else).

Everybody's calling Phallax a jerk and I think he kind of pigeonholed himself by claiming fraps, calling on all this past bs, and claiming server rules for the whole world to see on a screenshot, but the reality is he's not that big of a dick. I think the bigger dick here is someone who thinks they can somehow power level there friends somewhere else and then come back to a spawn they want XXXX amount of time later and try and lay claim to someone else who has moved in. That shit doesn't fly with me.

[Taxi]

Here's a story:

The other day in LGuk we had a very nice group going that was pulling pretty much executioner, ass/sup, and cav/sav/sage. It was great exp and great prospective loot. We were sitting somewhere in between the camps, but closer to exe. When someone called camp check we did that super clever thing where different members of the group claim different spawns. Some group moved into ass/sup because we weren't technically there, even though we had broken it down and been pulling it consistently.

I thought about making up some stench about how we had broken and controlled the camp, but then I realized that I was just being a greedy little bitch that wanted a roll on a thick banded belt.

Anyways, moral of the story is if you're not there to camp the damn camp it is not yours, no matter how greedy you may be. I don't care if it's a 36 hour spawn. If you want to camp a fucking no-life spawn like that then yes, you DO have to sit there with your thumb up your ass. You can't go have your cake (help friends level) and eat it too (claim a spawn that is somewhere else).

Everybody's calling Phallax a jerk and I think he kind of pigeonholed himself by claiming fraps, calling on all this past bs, and claiming server rules for the whole world to see on a screenshot, but the reality is he's not that big of a dick. I think the bigger dick here is someone who thinks they can somehow power level there friends somewhere else and then come back to a spawn they want XXXX amount of time later and try and lay claim to someone else who has moved in. That shit doesn't fly with me.

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[Omnimorph]

Can't be arsed to read 7 pages of this, but what i'll say is that if i zoned into paw and saw a level 50. I'd send them a tell and ask them if they're camping ishva, hell i'd probably just ask them if ishva was due or if they would be leaving soon.

By letter of the law Phallax played by the rules, but even playing by the rules you can still be a dick about it. A level 50 in a level 30-35 dungeon usually means they're camping something. You could have just asked.

Yes, it's unfair to bring a whole guild into a situation involving a single individual, but when there's a number of occasions that has involved it's members it unfortunately does tend to happen :/

Rules and etiquette are separate things, breaking one gets you labelled a cheat, the other gets you labelled an ass. Some people are content to be an ass who doesn't cheat :D

[Loke]

Phallax, you remind me of Craig Hoffman from Family Guy.
Meg: Hi, Craig. Umm, I was wondering if maybe you would want to, I don't know, go out sometime?
Craig Hoffman: Huh, that's about as likely as me playing by someone else's rules besides my own. Which I would never do. I play by my own rules, nobody else's, not even my own.
Meg: How 'bout a movie?
Craig: I don't go out with dudes.

I think the more important part of this post is that Phallax doesn't go out with dudes. You just broke a lot of hearts by making this information public Girth.

[AstyTZ]

I have no horse in this race, and I dont know either individual involved. Having said that, there is a couple ways for this to have been avoided. Should Phallax have called CC upon entering the zone? Probably. I think the "I never call CC" is kind of weak. Isvha is a unique camp in that its such a long spawn, so I certainly dont fully blame him for showing up, thinking it was open, and taking it (nothing was dead and no one was there).

Even though you dont need to kill the guards, perhaps you should, just to leave your mark if you choose to be elsewhere in the zone. Also, when im free-roaming a zone taking numerous spawns, I make it my responsibility to monitor who is in zone, and if someone comes in, I get my ass back to the camp I want asap. I.e. in Perma when I went for a mammy cloak, I was keeping several named cleared, but once someone else showed up, I went right back to mammy in case they were to check it without calling CC.

[AstyTZ]

All in all, if I were Phallax, I probably would have given the camp back, but if I had been there for the 15+ plus minutes he said he was, it would have been tougher to do. If I were Cazic, I would have never let this happen in the first place, because I would have been back at the Ishva camp as soon as I saw Phallax come in.

I liken the camp rules to the constitution... some people take it word for word, and others use extrapolated interpretations for the countless situations that cant possibly be explained 100% cut and dry.

[Aadill]

Basically: following the rules makes you a big mean jerkface. Perhaps kinder words should've been used but staying in the camp you want is the only way to get what you want. Dems da rules.

Much like the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, the rules were put in place to protect the little guy. When the little guy isn't aware of his rights and what he is supposed to do to maintain them, he gets stepped on by someone else that is aware. The ignorance of one person is not a burden to be shared by everyone anymore than it is required.

Sorry broham, it sucks you lost the camp. Camps are territorial in nature - undefended territory is the same as unclaimed territory. Prepare to have your flag captured.

[Alawen Everywhere]

Given my own difficulties with conflict resolution, it would make little sense for me to judge how this should have been handled, but one thing is definitely clear here: Phallax's attempts to pretend that he doesn't care about loot and that he is "only here for the experience" in other threads are completely disingenuous. This is a conflict over a rare and valuable item for either resale or twinking. In the abstract, Phallax prevailed because his greed was greater.

[Aadill]

In the abstract, Phallax prevailed because his greed was greater.

Greed is a fairly common factor in most of what people do. Not to sound bleak but in a very strict sense of a definition altruism is hard to come by - everyone wants something.

Of course it prevails. Realize that and roll with the punches!

[Aadill]

posting spree!

[mitic]

gratz on 14 pages full of nerd posts

if i would have such a problem irl, i wouldnt have any at all.

[guineapig]

these guys are something else i tell ya

Now why does he have to bring Hogwash into this?

That's not cool man, Hogwash was innocent!!! :p

[guineapig]

(in reference to the OP screenshot in case anyone is wondering)

[Aeolwind]

TL;DR

While it is specifically stated in the camp rules you can't claim a camp that you aren't at, based on Phallax's word choices and phrases; I'd just mark this up to tool-baggery and move on dude.

[braveheart]

well i feel this mission was a success, i wasnt fighting for the camp that was stolen from me, and i was not complaining whatsoever regardless if phallax was following the rules or not that is irrelevant to me... i merely wanted people to see what this guild is about... judging from how many responses i got, i feel i accomplished what i set out to do! have fun on p1999 everybody!

[Yinaltin]

:)

[Gorgetrapper]

You don't have to point it out, everyone already knows.

[Loke]

well i feel this mission was a success, i wasnt fighting for the camp that was stolen from me, and i was not complaining whatsoever regardless if phallax was following the rules or not that is irrelevant to me... i merely wanted people to see what this guild is about... judging from how many responses i got, i feel i accomplished what i set out to do! have fun on p1999 everybody!

Or you attacked a guild for the actions of one person, knowing that it would anger the members of said guild and are claiming victory because we posted in defense of ourselves. Keep thinking you won this one guy.

I don't think you've changed anyone's view of DA. The people that already disliked DA came here and hated on us, the people that didn't care focused on the issue between you and phallax, and people who like DA called you out for being a tool. Pretty much everyone maintained the same opinion they entered this thread with.

[mr.miketastic]

well i feel this mission was a success, i wasnt fighting for the camp that was stolen from me, and i was not complaining whatsoever regardless if phallax was following the rules or not that is irrelevant to me... i merely wanted people to see what this guild is about... judging from how many responses i got, i feel i accomplished what i set out to do! have fun on p1999 everybody!


As a completely disinterested party, I don't see that this was a failure of the guild he is applying to. To try and paint an entire guild with such a broad brush coated with tar in one hand and smacking DA with a feather pillow in the other over such a trivial conversation does seem a bit flouncy. And to head off any snarky replies to mind my own business, you created the very public post.

The few times I have interacted with people from DA were all positive, so I just don't see how they are all bad based on some rhubarb over a camp. You do know this is a game right?
I am starting to wonder if this isn't some petty revenge against someone to try and ruin their application to the guild.

[Prospect]

YEAH! stop labeling entire guilds based off of the actions of one of their members!!!!

With that said: I blame every single member of Inglourious Basterds for this and all other situations on this server because clearly they are the decline of the server!

[Omnimorph]

A bad action from one person reflects badly on the guild, most guilds have this in their charter and warns of punishment for bad behaviour etc.

[mr.miketastic]

A bad action from one person reflects badly on the guild, most guilds have this in their charter and warns of punishment for bad behaviour etc.

Hmm, so the obverse would be true as well right? So DA going around buffing lowbie strangers, or gifting them with starter gear and otherwise being should also give some very positive reflection. I see many ready to condemn , but from what I saw from the OP, he was just itching for some way to try and cause trouble. I smell shenanigans.

[spoolie]

you mean the place with the mozzarella sticks and the crazy shit on the walls??

[Molitoth]

I don't think you've changed anyone's view of DA. The people that already disliked DA came here and hated on us, the people that didn't care focused on the issue between you and phallax, and people who like DA called you out for being a tool. Pretty much everyone maintained the same opinion they entered this thread with.

This ^^^^

[President]

I don't think you've changed anyone's view of DA. The people that already disliked DA came here and hated on us, the people that didn't care focused on the issue between you and phallax, and people who like DA called you out for being a tool. Pretty much everyone maintained the same opinion they entered this thread with.

I like DA and I called Phallax a tool. Anyone who can't see that he was a complete tool is fucking retarded.

[Aadill]

Trolltrain derailed.

[astarothel]

Trolltrain derailed.

Good thing it takes all of 4 posts to get it back on track.

[President]

I like DA and I called Phallax a tool. Anyone who can't see that he was a complete tool is fucking retarded.

And to expand upon this, It doesn't seem like the OP is much less of a tool either, but in this case, Phallax proved his douchebaggyness.

[Aadill]

I like DA and I called Phallax a tool. Anyone who can't see that he was a complete tool is fucking retarded.

I'm in DA and I think we're all tools. I'm am the worst of the bunch.

[pickled_heretic]

I'm in DA and I think we're all tools. I'm am the worst of the bunch.

you're not a tool, you're a pickle :S

[Aadill]

:3

[Abacabb]

I'm in DA and I routinely train my own guild to start up some R&F drama and IB conspiracy

[President]

I'm in DA and I think we're all tools. I'm am the worst of the bunch.

Lol nice.

[Shannacore]

I'm in DA and I routinely train my own guild to start up some R&F drama and IB conspiracy

You also try to kill Tralina's. Not cool bro, not cool.

[astarothel]

You also try to kill Tralina's.

Had to be done.

[Shannacore]

Had to be done.

Waaaai :(

[jilena]

You also try to kill Tralina's. Not cool bro, not cool.

I don't even have to try. I just tell you to follow me through guk and you will die nps!


Also, I think this was a pretty pointless thread. Every guild on this server is filled with people who are cocks about camping rights. I don't think this really reflects that heavily on DA as a guild.

That said, am I the only one who finds this weird? I see plenty of people who have nice remarks about individuals in DA. However every single person I have heard mention DA as a whole, be it in game, on the forums, or on IRC that isn't a member of DA, thinks it's a guild full of lying, cheating, training, exploiting, assholes who would stab their own mothers in the back for loot.

Now, I can understand this coming FROM IB as DA is their only real competition at present. It totally makes sense that they would fabricate things to try and make DA look bad. I get that. Just, why does everyone else seem to say the exact same thing? If DA is a guild of reasonably well behaved and friendly individuals, why is there so much hate? Is the entire server just buying into IBs propaganda and giving DA an unfair shake? Or is this reputation somewhat deserved?

Seriously. I want to know this. If it's just some sort of jealousy, why don't people feel as strongly about IB? I get that IB is disliked by a large portion of the population, and I'm sure some of their actions have earned them that disapproval. They may deserve it all and more. With DA however, people REALLY hate you guys. Like, they saw a picture of you fisting their mother or something kind of dislike. If you guys are as upstanding as you make yourself out to be, why is this the prevalent feeling toward your guild as a whole?

[Shannacore]

I don't even have to try. I just tell you to follow me through guk and you will die nps!



1. Alcohol induced
2. YOU ARE BAD AT XP'ING ME

[Bruman]

I don't even have to try. I just tell you to follow me through guk and you will die nps!


Also, I think this was a pretty pointless thread. Every guild on this server is filled with people who are cocks about camping rights. I don't think this really reflects that heavily on DA as a guild.

That said, am I the only one who finds this weird? I see plenty of people who have nice remarks about individuals in DA. However every single person I have heard mention DA as a whole, be it in game, on the forums, or on IRC that isn't a member of DA, thinks it's a guild full of lying, cheating, training, exploiting, assholes who would stab their own mothers in the back for loot.

Now, I can understand this coming FROM IB as DA is their only real competition at present. It totally makes sense that they would fabricate things to try and make DA look bad. I get that. Just, why does everyone else seem to say the exact same thing? If DA is a guild of reasonably well behaved and friendly individuals, why is there so much hate? Is the entire server just buying into IBs propaganda and giving DA an unfair shake? Or is this reputation somewhat deserved?

Seriously. I want to know this. If it's just some sort of jealousy, why don't people feel as strongly about IB? I get that IB is disliked by a large portion of the population, and I'm sure some of their actions have earned them that disapproval. They may deserve it all and more. With DA however, people REALLY hate you guys. Like, they saw a picture of you fisting their mother or something kind of dislike. If you guys are as upstanding as you make yourself out to be, why is this the prevalent feeling toward your guild as a whole?

My guess is that, on the individual level, they are cool people. However, when they get together as a guild to do this or that, mob mentality takes over, and they do whatever it takes to get their ph@t lewtz. Either they get their collective greed on, or the leadership is doing it, or some combination of both. Once again, that's my GUESS, but in general humans become worse people the more of us you get together.

Personally, I've ran into several very cool DA people, and some of my guildies are members there now. I've also ran into some snotty annoying worthless players from there, on their twink alts (since I'm not raiding yet), but that's like 2 people in 2 separate incidents to 4 or 5 good incidents.

Last thing to mention - people remember bad things over good things. Some might say "one bad apple ruins the bunch", but I prefer "Build a hundred bridges, but you suck one dick...."

[Phil]

Also, it's PAINFULLY obvious that the OP's motives here were to get dirt on a guild that he has a personal vendetta against. His mission is accomplished if just a few people look down on Phallax for the way he acted and as a result look down on DA.

For the record, DA, it'll take a lot more than a pathetic little trollage like this to get me to think differently of you guys. Mission failed here.

[President]

Also, it's PAINFULLY obvious that the OP's motives here were to get dirt on a guild that he has a personal vendetta against. His mission is accomplished if just a few people look down on Phallax for the way he acted and as a result look down on DA.

Do you wanna explain how you came to this ass-backwards conclusion?

[Phallax]

Who ever mentioned the "people remember bad over good" couldnt be any closer to the truth.

Its sadly how the world works. I do my fair share in game of good. Giving camps up so an exp group can have at it, giving numerous items away, helping people out of a jam, helping break camps, buffs etc etc. But I have 1 bad day and shit hits the fan, its sadly the human race merit system.

Its just like teachers/bosses/parents. Anyone in a "leadership" position is quicker to discipline the lessers for 1 bad action than they are to reward them for 10 good actions.

"One oh shit can erase a thousand atta boys." -Scott Adams

[President]

Who ever mentioned the "people remember bad over good" couldnt be any closer to the truth.

Its sadly how the world works. I do my fair share in game of good. Giving camps up so an exp group can have at it, giving numerous items away, helping people out of a jam, helping break camps, buffs etc etc. But I have 1 bad day and shit hits the fan, its sadly the human race merit system.

Its just like teachers/bosses/parents. Anyone in a "leadership" position is quicker to discipline the lessers for 1 bad action than they are to reward them for 10 good actions.

"One oh shit can erase a thousand atta boys." -Scott Adams

What do you mean you have "1 bad day?" Do you mean you up and decided to be a douchebag that day because you wanted the camp? Or are you saying that you were in a shitty mood for whatever reason and acted unreasonably?

[Alawen Everywhere]

Who ever mentioned the "people remember bad over good" couldnt be any closer to the truth.

Its sadly how the world works. I do my fair share in game of good. Giving camps up so an exp group can have at it, giving numerous items away, helping people out of a jam, helping break camps, buffs etc etc. But I have 1 bad day and shit hits the fan, its sadly the human race merit system.

Its just like teachers/bosses/parents. Anyone in a "leadership" position is quicker to discipline the lessers for 1 bad action than they are to reward them for 10 good actions.

"One oh shit can erase a thousand atta boys." -Scott Adams

So now you're admitting that you were a dick?

[Aadill]

Everyone has a conscience.

:)

[Phil]

Do you wanna explain how you came to this ass-backwards conclusion?

Mostly the OP's tone of voice and how he has continuously tried to drag Phallax's ENTIRE guild (or prospective guild) through the mud in this thread despite some very diplomatic efforts from Loke to prevent that.

[President]

Mostly the OP's tone of voice and how he has continuously tried to drag Phallax's ENTIRE guild (or prospective guild) through the mud in this thread despite some very diplomatic efforts from Loke to prevent that.

Sure, after he posted this he obviously doesn't like the person/guild.

But, this part of your previous post....

OP's motives here were to get dirt on a guild that he has a personal vendetta against.

....does not make sense with the initial post/complaint. I don't see how in any way he was going out of his way to dig up dirt on a guild he has a "personal vendetta against" by trying to defend a camp he had been waiting at for 4 hours.

[hyzon]

After seeing this progress to nearly 20 pages, I can't figure out if the OP is an evil genius or not.

He's gotten people involved on multiple levels.

[Jeah]

The newest way to tell if someone is a total loser nowadays is if the first words they type are "better watch out, Im frapsing this".

Im sure he wasnt frapsing because Phalice is a total fucking moron that can barely tell night from day, but the fact he said it right away makes him an even bigger loser.

Coming from an IB member, someones guild who cries over every little rule this is quite a laugh. Nice bad mouthing there too, who taught you all those words?

[Taxi]

http://www.net.hr/2007/06/05/0308007.17.jpg

[girth]

http://www.net.hr/2007/06/05/0308007.17.jpg

The word phallus can refer to an erect penis, to a penis-shaped object such as a dildo, or to a mimetic image of an erect penis. Any object that symbolically resembles a penis may also be referred to as a phallus; however, such objects are more often referred to as being phallic (as in "phallic symbol"). Such symbols often represent the fertility and cultural implications that are associated with the male sexual organ, as well as the male orgasm.

Now I see where he gets his name from. He's very dick-like.

[Phil]

....does not make sense with the initial post/complaint. I don't see how in any way he was going out of his way to dig up dirt on a guild he has a "personal vendetta against" by trying to defend a camp he had been waiting at for 4 hours.

I don't want to dig through the thread to find it, but in the first half I remember reading something by the OP that said something like:

"Yeah my whole goal here was to expose DA and one of its members for his actions. I've dealt with many members of DA like this but I chose to just expose this one"

Then of course, he doesn't go on to provide any other evidence. Personally I think he seemed a little to happy to give up a camp he had waited FOUR whole hours on just so long as he could get some dirt to post on RnF about DA. Haven't you also said that you personally don't like DA in this thread too? I'm starting to lose track.

It's plain as day to me.

[President]

I don't want to dig through the thread to find it, but in the first half I remember reading something by the OP that said something like:

"Yeah my whole goal here was to expose DA and one of its members for his actions. I've dealt with many members of DA like this but I chose to just expose this one"

Once again, it is extremely obvious that he did not go out of his way to attempt to dig up dirt on someone by his first post. Does he not like DA? Apparently so. Does he not like some members of DA? Apparently so. So, again, your initial statement is completely loaded and unjustifiable by any "evidence."

Then of course, he doesn't go on to provide any other evidence.

Oh of course, obviously he should have been frapsing every second hes played since he started so he would have evidence of every time he had a bad experience.

Personally I think he seemed a little to happy to give up a camp he had waited FOUR whole hours on just so long as he could get some dirt to post on RnF about DA.

Wow, Mr. FuckingBraniac here. You mean he politely gave up the camp to someone who obviously jumped past him and knew it so he could come here and post about it without making himself look aggressive and stupid in the process? Amazing strategy, thanks for figuring that out sherlock.

Haven't you also said that you personally don't like DA in this thread too? I'm starting to lose track.

No I stated I liked DA. I talk to multiple members regularly and raid with them when there is room. I have yet to have a problem personally with anyone in DA, or really any guild for that matter.

It's plain as day to me.

*sigh* you should really just stop posting.

[Gorgetrapper]

I have a problem with Daverik and Jijika, both training asshats and noone in DA cares either, yet I am always told to "bring it up to an officer", but nothing is done.

[Phil]

Once again, it is extremely obvious that he did not go out of his way to attempt to dig up dirt on someone by his first post. Does he not like DA? Apparently so. Does he not like some members of DA? Apparently so. So, again, your initial statement is completely loaded and unjustifiable by any "evidence."



Oh of course, obviously he should have been frapsing every second hes played since he started so he would have evidence of every time he had a bad experience.



Wow, Mr. FuckingBraniac here. You mean he politely gave up the camp to someone who obviously jumped past him and knew it so he could come here and post about it without making himself look aggressive and stupid in the process? Amazing strategy, thanks for figuring that out sherlock.



No I stated I liked DA. I talk to multiple members regularly and raid with them when there is room. I have yet to have a problem personally with anyone in DA, or really any guild for that matter.



*sigh* you should really just stop posting.

My original opinion still stands. This guy obviously has something personal against DA and/or Phallax and he's blown this situation into something far more significant than it really was. You can super-troll me you want all day by taking the time to break down every sentence I write into it's own separate quote. I'll concede that I am unmatched here in terms of board-warrior skills.

PS you can't camp shit if you're not there

[eqdruid76]

My original opinion still stands. This guy obviously has something personal against DA and/or Phallax and he's blown this situation into something far more significant than it really was. You can super-troll me you want all day by taking the time to break down every sentence I write into it's own separate quote. I'll concede that I am unmatched here in terms of board-warrior skills.

PS you can't camp shit if you're not there

This all reminds me of an epidose of Law and Order where the accused was innocent and acquitted, but was still despised by everyone involved with the case, including his attorney. :P

Being right doesn't always make you righteous.

[eqdruid76]

And honestly, the OP didn't blow this situation into something far more significant. WE did.

[Omnimorph]

To the idiots suggesting he gave up his camp a little bit too easy etc. He gave it up because by letter of the law (you know, the camp rules) he lost his claim to it by not sitting on the spawn point.

What his intention in posting this was to show that whilst appealing to another player to see that given the nature of the camp (36hr) he wanted to help someone out rather than sit on the spawn point, but was still there for the purpose of camping it. Phallax disregarded this claiming he was adhering to the rules, which he was.

But then the manner in which he did this raises questions about his character.

[mitic]

My original opinion still stands. This guy obviously has something personal against DA and/or Phallax and he's blown this situation into something far more significant than it really was.

he just posted a SS of his conversation, nothing more, nothing less.

[Smyd]

I have a problem with Daverik and Jijika, both training asshats and noone in DA cares either, yet I am always told to "bring it up to an officer", but nothing is done.

Daverick is possibly the worst player I've encountered on the server. Both attitude as well as skill-set.

Whiney baby that thinks everyone owes him something.

[Bruman]

I'll concede that I am unmatched here in terms of board-warrior skills.

"Board-warrior skills" hahaha. I like that.

He gave it up because by letter of the law (you know, the camp rules) he lost his claim to it by not sitting on the spawn point.

Phallax disregarded this claiming he was adhering to the rules, which he was.

I guess I'm confused why people keep missing this. The rules say do a courtesy camp check first. Phallax didn't. By his own admission, he never follows camp check rules. If he had CC'd, the OP would've responded, and could've then moved in to sit on the spawn.

Honestly, from what I understand about this camp (that being just the info in this thread), there's no point is sitting on the spawn point, other then being pedantic with the rules.

[Omnimorph]

The rules say do a courtesy camp check first. Phallax didn't. By his own admission, he never follows camp check rules.

How can a camp check "courtesy" be a rule? If i'm not obligated to answer a camp check (and i'm not...) then i don't see why people would be obligated to call one. The reason people wouldn't follow these is because on occasion you get a single group calling 4 different camps.

I still don't think this is about the rules, it's about etiquette and how someone would rather screw someone over by claiming to the rules than show play-nice etiquette to a fellow player.

[Bruman]

How can a camp check "courtesy" be a rule? If i'm not obligated to answer a camp check (and i'm not...) then i don't see why people would be obligated to call one. The reason people wouldn't follow these is because on occasion you get a single group calling 4 different camps.

I still don't think this is about the rules, it's about etiquette and how someone would rather screw someone over by claiming to the rules than show play-nice etiquette to a fellow player.

Hrm yeah, you're probably right. Rules seem to just give people the wiggle room they want to interpret however it best fits them, and abuse it.

We obviously need camp lawyers available in all zones! Or ya know, people could just learn to share in busy zones, and be more considerate of people camping retarded stuff like 36 hour spawns.

[mr.miketastic]

Hrm yeah, you're probably right. Rules seem to just give people the wiggle room they want to interpret however it best fits them, and abuse it.

We obviously need camp lawyers available in all zones! Or ya know, people could just learn to share in busy zones, and be more considerate of people camping retarded stuff like 36 hour spawns.

I love the double standards...Keep 'em coming! There are other scenarios played out quite a lot where rules are quoted by players with pontifical airs, and a morally superior index finger reaching for the heavens and any dissenters are shouted down and ridiculed by the peanut gallery.

I have recently had a situation where someone was a complete douche, yet his behavior was celebrated by some... I have moved on from my issue.

Here's a story I think many will enjoy:

Two monks, Tanzan and Ekido, were walking down a muddy street in the city. They came upon a lovely young girl dressed in fine silks, who was afraid to cross the street because of all the mud.

“Come on, girl,” Tanzan said. He picked her up in his arms and carried her across.

The two monks did not speak again till nightfall. Then, when they had returned to the monastery, Ekido couldn’t keep quiet any longer.

“Monks shouldn’t go near girls,” he said, “and certainly not beautiful ones like that one! Why did you do it?”

“My dear fellow,” Tanzan said, “I put that girl down hours ago, back in the city. It’s you who are still carrying her!”

:)

[eqdruid76]

Hrm yeah, you're probably right. Rules seem to just give people the wiggle room they want to interpret however it best fits them, and abuse it.

We obviously need camp lawyers available in all zones! Or ya know, people could just learn to share in busy zones, and be more considerate of people camping retarded stuff like 36 hour spawns.

Never happened on live, will never happen here.

Remember, these are the same crapweasels from live, 11 years older, still acting like they're 12, still unable to get along with anyone, still rubbing everyone the wrong way, still living in the basement at home, unemployed, miserable, and taking out their rage against their own failures on everyone else around them.

[pickled_heretic]

Never happened on live, will never happen here.

Remember, these are the same crapweasels from live, 11 years older, still acting like they're 12, still unable to get along with anyone, still rubbing everyone the wrong way, still living in the basement at home, unemployed, miserable, and taking out their rage against their own failures on everyone else around them.

speak for yourself, i'm making friends :-D

[Gorgetrapper]

Phallax is no longer in DA, either was removed, or ragequit. Either way, he is un-guilded.

[eqdruid76]

speak for yourself, i'm making friends :-D

That's not what I've heard, and that's not what I've seen :/

[pickled_heretic]

That's not what I've heard, and that's not what I've seen :/

I am good friends with one druid, Braad, who I have grouped with many times. I saved another druid's life named Keeperof who was at about 5% from a train of hags when I snagged aggro off them and gave him time to gate. Both of these two will give me free ports whenever they're on and available. The funny thing is I've (ironically) never had a run-in with a druid so I don't know why you're so spiteful toward me, unless you're not a druid.

[Bruman]

That's not what I've heard, and that's not what I've seen :/

I've grouped with Pickled the past couple of nights with no problems, /shrug

[Gorgetrapper]

Word of advice, people are MUCH different here on the forums (especially in RnF) than they are in-game.

[Phallax]

Yea my app was "denied" all over R&F posts, for a guild to just deny an app over R&F posts with no warning, no talking to or anything is pretty sad imo.

Doesnt matter much tho I can enjoy the game again instead of worrying about the guild vs guild drama.

[girth]

The OP won the internet!

Congrats. LOL

[pickled_heretic]

The OP won the internet!

Congrats. LOL

Not really. His original post was as much of a criticism of dark ascension as it was with phallax. In fact, he listed dark ascension first on the thread title. Now that the two have been separated, his whole point seems a little lost.

[Phallax]

Not really. His original post was as much of a criticism of dark ascension as it was with phallax. In fact, he listed dark ascension first on the thread title. Now that the two have been separated, his whole point seems a little lost.

DAs name as a whole will always be what it is. It doesnt matter how many members they gain, remove, deny what ever. The name will always hold the the status of what ever people see them as. I how ever can easily earn my name back or just recreate a new anonymous toon. So yes the OP still loses.

[Gorgetrapper]

Yea my app was "denied" all over R&F posts, for a guild to just deny an app over R&F posts with no warning, no talking to or anything is pretty sad imo.

Doesnt matter much tho I can enjoy the game again instead of worrying about the guild vs guild drama.

Which I don't understand how Jijika and Daverik are still in DA though, they're worse than you.

[astarothel]

Doesnt matter much tho I can enjoy the game again instead of worrying about the guild vs guild drama.

Woo!

[Phallax]

Which I don't understand how Jijika and Daverik are still in DA though, they're worse than you.

Ya, dunno bout Jiji so much, never had a problem with him/her personally. But when a friend asked me to join DA and i saw Daverik in there I nearly didnt just for the fact that he was tagged. He prooven time and time again how big of a douche he is, specially during global ooc times.

[TheDudeAbides]

Which I don't understand how Jijika and Daverik are still in DA though, they're worse than you.

Who's your main?

[astarothel]

Who's your main?

A touch hypocritical to say that when you don't have yours in your sig, don't you think?

[Gorgetrapper]

Plenty reason for me to keep forum and ingame seperate, but if you do enough digging, you will find out who my main is.

[Olorin]

DAs name as a whole will always be what it is. It doesnt matter how many members they gain, remove, deny what ever. The name will always hold the the status of what ever people see them as. I how ever can easily earn my name back or just recreate a new anonymous toon. So yes the OP still loses.

Will always be associated with Fish Bait too -- you dont become a better guild by giving up on your rep and renaming the guild.

[fefifofum]

Will always be associated with Fish Bait too -- you dont become a better guild by giving up on your rep and renaming the guild.

HAHAHA, I find it really funny you said that, because a lot of people think we changed our guild name because of the reputation Fish Bait was getting. But the REAL reason is because we went under new management, meaning we had a new guild leader that was there ALL the time with us, instead of only showing up with a raid target was up. :rolleyes:

[Cyrano]

Leadership? Who needs it!

http://picasaweb.google.com/chris.tburn/LoveIt?authkey=Gv1sRgCNC5vJvArb3uggE#5481258875726 184738

[Cyrano]

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_c0FNMpSbYKw/TBFX6BGdwSI/AAAAAAAAAIY/J6Uk8Wwigrs/Pof.jpg

[spoolie]

lol?

[Audacious93c]

I could just be drunk and tired, but I see five officers in that screenshot?

[Olorin]

HAHAHA, I find it really funny you said that, because a lot of people think we changed our guild name because of the reputation Fish Bait was getting. But the REAL reason is because we went under new management, meaning we had a new guild leader that was there ALL the time with us, instead of only showing up with a raid target was up. :rolleyes:

Semantics, really ....

Pretty soon you will sink lower than fish bait, which i didnt think was possible.

[Taxi]

this is what this thread can be summarized with:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrtyIqSzoYI

[Taxi]

For ADD types forward to 1min

[Uaellaen]

the situation has been resolved between the guilds, move on nothing to see here ...

[fefifofum]

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_c0FNMpSbYKw/TBFX6BGdwSI/AAAAAAAAAIY/J6Uk8Wwigrs/Pof.jpg

HOLEY HELL! I'M SORRY DURISON HAVE TO WORK FOR A LIVING!

[fefifofum]

Semantics, really ....

Pretty soon you will sink lower than fish bait, which i didnt think was possible.

oh the possibilities!

[Phallax]

HOLEY HELL! I'M SORRY DURISON HAVE TO WORK FOR A LIVING!

HAHAHA, I find it really funny you said that, because a lot of people think we changed our guild name because of the reputation Fish Bait was getting. But the REAL reason is because we went under new management, meaning we had a new guild leader that was there ALL the time with us, instead of only showing up with a raid target was up. :rolleyes:

:confused:

[TheDudeAbides]

Semantics, really ....

Pretty soon you will sink lower than fish bait, which i didnt think was possible.

You mean like if DA leapfrogged, purposely trained and killstole other guilds for 8 months? Would that be sinking lower?

Or if DA leapfrogged and disrespected raids to kill a mob and destroy the loot? The only purpose being to fuck anyone else out of a drop, keeping everyone undergeared on purpose so they could squelch any competition?

Nevermind the blatant exploiting of obviously broken items like leatherfoot caps and fiery paladin swords, where you could exploit unlimited charges for said items = free instant complete heals and instant ports to WC for immediate mobilization free of charge.

Or what if DA turned what was supposed to be a team vs team PVP event into a griefing, corpse stacking orgy of douchebaggery, where they would res people in telling them they'll stop and then just kill them again, laughing at them. When it was brought to the forums they proceeded to troll up the thread taunting and laughing at the other guild. You mean like that low?

Or resing rival guilds with supposed good intentions only for it be a 0% res and then laughing at them?

You mean like that?

[fefifofum]

:confused:

when he is off of work he is on all the time, i should know that i am his wife.. and i get angry that he is on all the time. =)

[Alawen Everywhere]

You mean like if DA leapfrogged, purposely trained and killstole other guilds for 8 months? Would that be sinking lower?

Or if DA leapfrogged and disrespected raids to kill a mob and destroy the loot? The only purpose being to fuck anyone else out of a drop, keeping everyone undergeared on purpose so they could squelch any competition?

Nevermind the blatant exploiting of obviously broken items like leatherfoot caps and fiery paladin swords, where you could exploit unlimited charges for said items = free instant complete heals and instant ports to WC for immediate mobilization free of charge.

Or what if DA turned what was supposed to be a team vs team PVP event into a griefing, corpse stacking orgy of douchebaggery, where they would res people in telling them they'll stop and then just kill them again, laughing at them. When it was brought to the forums they proceeded to troll up the thread taunting and laughing at the other guild. You mean like that low?

Or resing rival guilds with supposed good intentions only for it be a 0% res and then laughing at them?

You mean like that?

You... mad... bro?

[girth]

You... mad... bro?

Dude looks pissed. I would be too if I was too stupid to read 0% percent rez on a popup.

[TheDudeAbides]

You... mad... bro?

How's that divorce comin along bro?

[girth]

How's that divorce comin along bro?

Hitting the real life topics eh? You must be livid.

http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2008/12/1/633637120400091536-AngerManagement.jpg

[Alawen Everywhere]

How's that divorce comin along bro?

The rumors are all true. I divorced my wife and sold my company so I can camp bosses on Project 1999 24/7. I've also begun to take meth-amphetamine so I can sleep less. I'm now considering a feeding tube, catheter and colostomy bag.

[TheDudeAbides]

The rumors are all true. I divorced my wife and sold my company so I can camp bosses on Project 1999 24/7. I've also begun to take meth-amphetamine so I can sleep less. I'm now considering a feeding tube, catheter and colostomy bag.

Who said anything about rumors?

[Aeolwind]

Aaand, thats about enough of that.