So your guns keep you safe?

[Humerox]

lol, cut the bullshit, you don't advocate anything and I doubt you even care

You and Hitchens should ask yourselves why you've really been arguing about guns for 25 pages, and try not to lie to yourself or it won't work.

In the meantime, I will be enjoying my right to keep and maintain weapons. Not because I'm paranoid or because I need them to "hunt" (I don't), but because I like having them, and I don't live in some delusional limp-wristed nanny state.

http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/1057/garands1.jpg

In summation: eat a dick

Hey Arclyte...nothing personal but:

Fuck you.

;)

[Littlegyno 9.0]

M1 garands

Man I'd love to get an M1.

[Arclyte]

Finest weapon ever made IMO

That was back when the US made high quality weapons. Nothing like the cheap plastic crap that we produce today.

[Hailto]

M1 garands

Im jelly, i want an M1 so bad....someday.

[Hailto]

If you really need something like this to feel safe I really feel sorry for ya. I'd move if I were you.

I own an assault rifle not because i need it to feel safe, but because i enjoy target shooting and collecting weapons. Deal with it pussy.

[Humerox]

I own an assault rifle not because i need it to feel safe, but because i enjoy target shooting and collecting weapons. Deal with it pussy.

Good. So you won't have many problems when it's gone, will ya? Then maybe you can go buy yourself a Lionel Train set or something.

[Hailto]

Good. So you won't have many problems when it's gone, will ya? Then maybe you can go buy yourself a Lionel Train set or something.

Kidding yourself if you think a full disarmament of US citizens will happen in you or my lifetime.

[Vadd]

I own an assault rifle not because i need it to feel safe, but because i enjoy target shooting and collecting weapons. Deal with it pussy.

Assault rifles are necessary to protect ones self against government.

[Humerox]

Kidding yourself if you think a full disarmament of US citizens will happen in you or my lifetime.

If you think I'm for full disarmament you haven't read anything I've written.

:)

[Hailto]

If you think I'm for full disarmament you haven't read anything I've written.

:)

By full disarmament, i mean if you actually believe assault rifles will be outlawed and subsequently no longer lie in civilian hands in this nation, you are kidding yourself.

[Hitchens]

I wouldn't worry too much. Even if there is legislation "banning" assault rifles, it will be written by politicians who know nothing about assault rifles and it will be full of easily circumvented holes.

More likely any such introduced bills will sit in committee. Forever.

[Humerox]

By full disarmament, i mean if you actually believe assault rifles will be outlawed and subsequently no longer lie in civilian hands in this nation, you are kidding yourself.

Oh it'll happen. It will take time, but it will happen. In our lifetime.

How to Get a New Assault-Weapons Ban Through Congress. (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/03/opinion/how-to-get-a-new-assault-weapons-ban-through-congress.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0)

[Arclyte]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rGpykAX1fo

[Humerox]

No, a barrel shroud is like a banister canister, or snatch guard.

In all seriousness...most of those people don't even read the legislation they submit.

[Arclyte]

even better

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCXtfR0_roE&list=PLC4B53E6700D79133

[Hailto]

<3 Penn and Teller

[Hailto]

http://youtu.be/BRQqieimwLQ

Incendiary rounds are heat seeking bullets, who knew.

[vaylorie]

Harmonium's long post was awesome.

Humerox, you got your shit pushed in by about 30 people in this thread. I enjoyed it and I thank you for that. This year is coming up alright.

[Humerox]

Harm's entire argument hinged on:

The Second Amendment is primarily about the citizens being able to protect themselves from the government.

There's so many holes in that it ain't funny. Anyone that actually believes that nonsense is either brainwashed or a fool.

But hey...however you get your jollies.

[Tokage Sohei]

Harm's entire argument hinged on:

The Second Amendment is primarily about the citizens being able to protect themselves from the government.

There's so many holes in that it ain't funny. Anyone that actually believes that nonsense is either brainwashed or a fool.

But hey...however you get your jollies.

You go back and forth between providing counter-points and just throwing out logical fallacies. The former is the basis for healthy debate, the latter just makes it look like you don't have any ground left to stand on.

Now, I realize that this is P99 RNF so I don't hold anyone to actually debate a topic properly, but "debating" with logical fallacies doesn't go anyone any good.

[Andrew Jackson]

http://i.imgur.com/WJ6S8.jpg

[Humerox]

You go back and forth between providing counter-points and just throwing out logical fallacies. The former is the basis for healthy debate, the latter just makes it look like you don't have any ground left to stand on.

Now, I realize that this is P99 RNF so I don't hold anyone to actually debate a topic properly, but "debating" with logical fallacies doesn't go anyone any good.

Pretty slick, Tokage...but that the citizens of this country don't have the collective will, nor will they ever have to fight a direct confrontation against their own government aren't logical fallacies, they're fact.

Individual gun rights equaling a defense against tyranny in the US is itself a logical fallacy.

The internet and free communication are much more powerful tools against tyranny in this technological age, and that's been proven.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.

James Madison

[moklianne]

Pretty slick, Tokage...but that the citizens of this country don't have the collective will, nor will they ever have to fight a direct confrontation against their own government aren't logical fallacies, they're fact.

Individual gun rights equaling a defense against tyranny in the US is itself a logical fallacy.

The internet and free communication are much more powerful tools against tyranny in this technological age, and that's been proven.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.

James Madison

I agree with that. If the government comes knockin on your door, what are you going to do? You think you stand a chance with your semi automatics against tanks and armored vehicles? If the government wanted to wipe out an area, they would just do it. You wouldn't see it coming.

The second amendment was written at a time where everyone could easily have the same level of technology because nothing complex existed. The second amendment never kept up with the times, so its irrelevant as a measure of keeping the government in check. Not only can the average citizen not afford tanks or anti-aircraft weapons, they don't allow you to have them. Its fine to use firearms for hunting, sport, etc, but don't kid yourselves if you think you are going to be able to protect yourselves from the government.

And, if sport, hunting, or personal safety are the only reasons to keep firearms, then there is no reason to have extended clips. If you can't bring down a deer in 2 or 3 shots, then you suck as a hunter and should learn how to actually use that rifle. If you have a handgun and are defending your family, you don't need a clip with 20 or 30 rounds in it. If you do, again, you are a lousy shot and need to spend some more time at the range. Learn how to actually shoot.

[HIYO]

ITT Bros plan to shoot down Apache helicopters and F-18s with thier home arsenal.

If you need guns to protect you from your own government, where are you now? Congress has declared war on the American people and all you do is drink Mt dew and watch Archer. Dont get me wrong, I like Archer.

[Faron]

I want to see the scenario where guns are banned and the police's method of collecting them is to dispatch Apaches and tanks to your doorstep.

[Snagglepuss]

tl;dr

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

If you want to own guns that reflect a "modern" regulated militia, then it is required to serve in your state national guard aka your militia. No questions. You need to be deployed now- good you have your M-16. Why should you own a military grade weapon if you have no use in using it in a qualified way. (Think Switzerland or mandatory military service countries)

The right to own guns is contingent on protecting your community or participating in a regulated militia (i.e. not Billy Bob's pals that are a "neighborhood watch").

If you want to own sporting type weapons, including but not limited to bolt action rifles, pump or double barrel shot guns, bows, and certain handguns appropriate for hunting, then do so. But register them when you buy your hunting stamps from your state Department of Natural Resources (or whatever).

Not hard.

[Hailto]

Way too many dumb hick Americans in this thread waving around guns because their dicks are too small. You all need to learn to be more cultured and European.

Yeah, enjoying target shooting as a hobby directly relates to the sizes of ones penis. You sound a bit insecure to me.

[Hitchens]

This conflict will never be resolved. It is merely a continued battle between textualists and loose constructionists.

While there appear to be some strict constructionists up in dis bitch, no one really takes them seriously.

[vaylorie]

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-11

I like the part where clubs & hammers kill more people each year that rifles that 'need to be banned' because they are 'such a danger to society'. I also like the part where beating people to death with bare hands or feet kills twice as many people as rifles.

Outlaw fists and all blunt objects? I mean, better safe than sorry... Think of the kids!

[Andrew Jackson]

yea banning assault rifles is the dummest thing i ever heard of. theyre great self defense weapons. most burglaries are gangs of several crackheads, you gonna want some firepower

[Lexical]

Every house should come equipped with a couple of turrets of these. I am just saying.

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[Humerox]

Congress has declared war on the American people and all you do is drink Mt dew and watch Archer. Dont get me wrong, I like Archer.

Sig worthy, bro.

[Autotune]

Way too many dumb hick Americans in this thread waving around guns because their dicks are too small. You all need to learn to be more cultured and European.

Yeah, Europeans are so cultured, they kill each other like cavemen.

[Andrew Jackson]

FUCK europe

[Glitch]

FUCK europe

screw that whole country

[Heavydrop]

Criminals love unarmed victims
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/police-hiding-woman-shot-during-fairburn-burglary/nTmk3/

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/police-homeowner-shot-burglar-south-fulton-co/nTky8/

Now I'm sure if you ask them pretty pretty please and hold hands and sing
"kum bye ya" they'll gladly give up their guns and stop being violent.
As for me, I'll keep my guns and keep me and mine safe

[Hitchens]

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[Messianic]

screw that whole country

Strange, that's how the EU wants that region to be recognized...

[Andrew Jackson]

ALL of europe is a socialist shithole. Their currency is already on the verge of collapse. Who wouldmodel anything after them?

[Kruel]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiHG14zbNoE

We all talk about baning guns. If this was your wife - daughter - mother would you want her to have a cell phone in her hand or a fucking gun. This world has some seriously fucked up people. Even if she had a gun the chances are she wouldnt have to kill the intruder. A simple warning fire near him would most likely have sent the perp running.

Come at me bro

[Andrew Jackson]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1-Kz3vU5DY

How she could have handled it

[Kruel]

Yes that example shows what can happen whent he "good guy" has a weapon also.

so do these examples:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7ZMlxNSx-Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFLHCKsXhlM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiiQQP4-Ijw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-q2zHIovOE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrESAKfGmmM


Simple answer is that yes we need "gun control". But you do not do this by simply banning a style of firearm. A modern sport rifle (ar) is not the problem. I do agree that we need to tighten up the following:

Any felon cought with a firearm should be an automatic prison sentence with no parole.
ban 100rd magazines (30 rounds can be used for sport - 100 rounds is overboard and every gun owner knows it)
No gun trades or purchases without a background check - even with private sales it should be a felony if not called in.

dont make it harder for the good guy to get a firearm - make it harder for the BG (badguy)

[Tecmos Deception]

A simple warning fire

I'll come at you. No one who knows anything about self-defense with firearms would even CONSIDER firing a warning shot.

Fucking retard.

[Tecmos Deception]

Well that was harsh. But for real. A warning shot? Did you watch a cop show from the 80s and decide that you know what's up now? Why the hell would you want someone like your wife or daughter, in a situation that is already so serious that they have drawn a gun (i.e. their life is already in danger), to be thinking "should i just shoot at his feet to try to scare him? after all, this creep is someone's son... maybe prison will rehabilitate him!"?

[Kruel]

Yea ur right I'm retarded. Most criminals are looking for a gun fight.

In the real world criminals are in general cowards. An outward sign of force can be a deterant for those people who own a firearm for sport and will not take another's life. There are many people who will not go to war or kill another in self defense.

[Littlegyno 9.0]

Yea ur right I'm retarded. Most criminals are looking for a gun fight.

In the real world criminals are in general cowards. An outward sign of force can be a deterant for those people who own a firearm for sport and will not take another's life. There are many people who will not go to war or kill another in self defense.

Warning shots most amateur thing I've read on this thread.

[Tecmos Deception]

You don't understand the severity of these situations, Kruel.

If you have a day where you need to defend your life/limb/property (or that of a family member), you're already a victim of Murphy's law. You are NOT in a position where you can afford to be betting on "most criminals don't want a gun fight" or "warning shots will usually scare off an attacker" or "gee, I hope I can get down to the basement and find my grandpa's old deer rifle and get it loaded up before my kids get murdered in their sleep."

If someone is unwilling to kill in self defense, then they need a lesson in the value of their own life... not a lesson in how to maybe possibly perhaps not get murdered/mugged/raped/robbed.

[Andrew Jackson]

instead of putting a hole in my drywall id rather paint it with the intruders brains

[Hitchens]

Some of you have watched far too many action movies.

[Kruel]

Warning shots most amateur thing I've read on this thread.

I'm not speaking of a ccw type situation. I talking about situations similar to the last post I made linking home invasion type situations were you hear people actively trying to break into your home. Most breakins aren't rape/murder type situations that a warning shot is a possible answer while using a firearm and not taking another's life. Also that was one line of my original post and just a thought while talking about firearms

[Andrew Jackson]

http://i.imgur.com/1LBP2.png

[Kruel]

These are some of mine.

[Harmonium]

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/602845_554336804595541_2068583926_n.jpg

[theaetatus]

When all citizens have guns in their houses, a criminal HAS to bring a gun to defend himself.

Over here most burglars just run away when confronted, an option that just isn't possible when every confrontation degenerates into a shoot-out.

Apparently the term 'arms race' is still lost on americans... Keep doing that macho stuff though, it makes you look really cool ;)

[Hailto]

When all citizens have guns in their houses, a criminal HAS to bring a gun to defend himself.

Over here most burglars just run away when confronted, an option that just isn't possible when every confrontation degenerates into a shoot-out.

Apparently the term 'arms race' is still lost on americans... Keep doing that macho stuff though, it makes you look really cool ;)

Blaming criminal gun crime on armed law abiding citizens, you must be French? I have heard it all now.

[Hailto]

Oh, I didn't realize it was you Urgh, English then, but my sentiment still stands. Owning weapons has nothing to do with being "cool" either, in fact almost every person I hear say that has no experience with them.

[Littlegyno 9.0]

I'm not speaking of a ccw type situation. I talking about situations similar to the last post I made linking home invasion type situations were you hear people actively trying to break into your home. Most breakins aren't rape/murder type situations that a warning shot is a possible answer while using a firearm and not taking another's life. Also that was one line of my original post and just a thought while talking about firearms

I could see maybe using a warning shot to scare off some negroids trying to jimmy your lock. Personally, to maximize killing shots, I'd wait until said negroids opened door and entered the house, then open fire. It funnels all the negroids into the line of fire.

Otherwise, warning shots are not appropriate in a self-defense situation. Aim to kill, everytime, 2-3 rounds center mass in every target.

[Hailto]

I could see maybe using a warning shot to scare off some negroids trying to jimmy your lock. Personally, to maximize killing shots, I'd wait until said negroids opened door and entered the house, then open fire. It funnels all the negroids into the line of fire.

Otherwise, warning shots are not appropriate in a self-defense situation. Aim to kill, everytime, 2-3 rounds center mass in every target.

What if the intruder had downs?

[Littlegyno 9.0]

What if the intruder had downs?

6-9 round burst of course.

[Glitch]

You need guns to protect yourself against american homeowners protecting their property while you're out trying to score some irl pixels

[Andrew Jackson]

FUCK france

[theaetatus]

Blaming criminal gun crime on armed law abiding citizens, you must be French? I have heard it all now.

It's not about apportioning blame, rather just logic... Cause and effect.

[Andrew Jackson]

It's a dangerous world, only a moran wouldn't have a firearm at this point. Fucking world economy collapsed 4 years ago, theyre just propping it up with hyperinflation at this point.

[Harmonium]

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/737893_384254784999646_948623606_o.jpg

[Andrew Jackson]

all these uppity hollywood faggots advocating gun control should turn down scripts with guns in them or they deserve to be called hypocrite

[Daldolma]

FUCK france

I approve of this message.

[Littlegyno 9.0]

I seriously hope someone shoots you.

Why can't we be friends

[Harmonium]

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/388201_191405504331222_836060617_n.png

[Littlegyno 9.0]

That's why you're a racist piece of shit.

Because you're a racist piece of shit.

You two should be friends.

Sorry I offended your politically correct marxist feminist sensibilities. Can we make up and u suk my diq?

[Littlegyno 9.0]

Stuff racists say:
"Not being a racist means that you're a gay PC marxist feminist."

You wanna come to the gun show later this month and help me pick out my new anti-negroid rifle? I'll let u pick

[Daldolma]

That's why you're a racist piece of shit.

Because you're a racist piece of shit.

You two should be friends.

France isn't a race.

[theaetatus]

I too saw a film once where only the police and army had guns.

It was called "E.T. the Extra-terrestrial".

[Littlegyno 9.0]

Doesn't make you any less racist.

DONT BE RACIST AGAINST FRENCH PEOPLE O GOD. wait racist???????????????????????????????????????????? ????????

[Daldolma]

Doesn't make you any less racist.

dum

[Pico]

I seriously hope someone shoots you.
http://i.imgur.com/Z9RfZ.jpg

[Daldolma]

bigot

no u

[Hailto]

HBB is hyper-sensitive to racism because he actually has racist tendencies himself that he is ashamed of.

[Kassel]

I like Cory Booker he uses the Final Fantasy soundtrack in his videos

[Humerox]

For the record, I *am* for better gun control in this country, but I am MORE against any snitching program and anyone who promotes such a thing.

You fucking gun nuts should have a field day with this through and through tho.

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[Littlegyno 9.0]

I would say that the latter part about racist tendencies is true. It's part of how I was raised, and something I and any forward thinking person raised in this country constantly struggle(s) against. That's not why I'm sensitive to it however, I just think it's wrong.

Yep, I think it's wrong to. My usage is mainly trolling/internet persona. Gotta be e-tough dog.

[Littlegyno 9.0]

You would choose a different way to troll and a different internet persona were you not racist.

Thanks internet sensai. I didn't realize you were the authority on these matters. Fucking ******.

[Goofier]

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