Washington State legalizes Marijuana

[gotrocks]

(I posted this in off-topic as well, but i figured *someone* would want to post pics of pot in this thread, which is definetly NSFW)
My state passed a law legalizing Marijuana today - something that I think has been a long time coming. The amount of money spent on putting pot heads through the legal system and into jails is absolutely ridiculous compared to the amount of money we could be making from them instead.

Opponents of this kind of thing claim that legalizing Marijuana will lead to rampant drug use and a general collapse of society. Most of them ignore the fact that a far, far more dangerous drug, alcohol, has been legal for decades without bringing about the end of the country. The bottom line is people who smoke pot will still smoke pot, and people who dont still wont. You *might* get some new smokers from this, and yes some of them may in fact be teenagers, but opponents are once again ignoring an important fact while they bleat about how easy it will be for teenagers to obtain pot now - it was *always* harder to get alcohol as a teenager than it was to get Marijuana. Why? Because it was state controlled. You couldn't just call up Ricky the local leather jacket wearing motorcycle riding 17 year old badass to get a bottle of liquor. You had to find someone who was 21 to buy it for you, which, while possible, was not nearly as easy as calling Ricky. If anything its going to be harder for kids to buy weed now.

I fully support this law, 100%. I don't even smoke pot anymore, haven't for a long time (though i was certainly a huge pot smoker for a very long time). But once again i do believe this is LONG overdue. And I am absolutely going to celebrate by taking a trip down to the local dispensary with my gf and pick up a bag of some potent strain of Indica (my girl can't smoke sativa), find my pipe (I know its around here somewhere, i never got rid of it) and blaze a bowl for all the potheads who no longer have to worry about spending a night in jail for doing the same thing most people do when they drink a beer, relax.

Way to go Washington - I hope you're leading the way to a nationwide change. A very profitable one. ;)!

[Hasbinlulz]

colorado too! they have it the same as alcohol now!!

[Shannacore]

As did Colorado. What are the specifics for Washington?

IIRC it's maximum of 2oz and 21+ in Colorado.

[Hasbinlulz]

supposedly any liqour store can sell pot now in colorado (disregarding federal law)

[Hasbinlulz]

and if they do, it's taxed and the whole bit

[kenzar]

can you grow it w/o any sort of licensing/regulations? Unless you can, I wouldn't really consider it a true legalization, its a regulatory system. don't get me wrong its a step in the right direction for sure, I just wanted to get some clarification on you are calling 'legalized'

[Shannacore]

Gonna be hilarious all the people in Colorado who get busted for weed in the next few weeks who don't realize it doesn't go into effect until next year.

[dredge]

can you grow it w/o any sort of licensing/regulations? Unless you can, I wouldn't really consider it a true legalization, its a regulatory system. don't get me wrong its a step in the right direction for sure, I just wanted to get some clarification on you are calling 'legalized'

seriously, decriminalize it, take all the laws about it off the books and quit making all these schemes to make the distributors rich

and while your at it let all the non-violent drug offenders out of prison

[gotrocks]

Kenzar, its as 'legalized' as alcohol, and will follow almost identical regulations (IE; you must be liscensed to sell it, and im assuming to grow it, unlike brewing alcohol).

Shanna, in WA its 21+ and up to an oz at a time, which is plenty :)

More details will be hashed out in the coming months, but for now, its pretty clear you'll be able to walk into a dispensary, show you're over 21, and buy a bag.

Seems fairly legal to me.

As a side note, as hasbin pointed out, federal law prohibits any kind of drug use (this included medical marijuana that has been legal for some time now). What does that mean? pretty much the same thing its meant for medical marijuana, which is that the DEA will still be coming in and shutting down dispensaries on a regular basis. Users will be largely unaffected.

I'm not going to get into it now, but that federal law is now breaking (and has been breaking) our state laws. When the DEA comes in and shuts down a dispensary, its not uncommon for WA State police officers to inform the DEA that they are breaking the law.

Drug regulations need to be left up to the states, not the federal government - this has been argued for decades, and I honestly do see a change in federal drug regulations in the near future. If you look at the history of that particular act its pretty plain to see it was a load of bullshit that it was ever passed in the first place. It never should have happened.

[gotrocks]

Gonna be hilarious all the people in Colorado who get busted for weed in the next few weeks who don't realize it doesn't go into effect until next year.

/ageee :p

[Black Jesus]

weed is a slave drug used to quell revolutionaries and keep you animals docile

[gotrocks]

weed is a slave drug used to quell revolutionaries and keep you animals docile

And crack was invented to keep the black man down in the ghetto!

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Kenzar, its as 'legalized' as alcohol, and will follow almost identical regulations (IE; you must be liscensed to sell it, and im assuming to grow it, unlike brewing alcohol).

Shanna, in WA its 21+ and up to an oz at a time, which is plenty :)

More details will be hashed out in the coming months, but for now, its pretty clear you'll be able to walk into a dispensary, show you're over 21, and buy a bag.

Seems fairly legal to me.

As a side note, as hasbin pointed out, federal law prohibits any kind of drug use (this included medical marijuana that has been legal for some time now). What does that mean? pretty much the same thing its meant for medical marijuana, which is that the DEA will still be coming in and shutting down dispensaries on a regular basis. Users will be largely unaffected.

I'm not going to get into it now, but that federal law is now breaking (and has been breaking) our state laws. When the DEA comes in and shuts down a dispensary, its not uncommon for WA State police officers to inform the DEA that they are breaking the law.

Drug regulations need to be left up to the states, not the federal government - this has been argued for decades, and I honestly do see a change in federal drug regulations in the near future. If you look at the history of that particular act its pretty plain to see it was a load of bullshit that it was ever passed in the first place. It never should have happened.

Federal laws do not break state laws, they supercede them with supremacy clause, which in cases not specifically defined in the constitution (http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A1Sec8.html) are technically unconstitutional, but the executive branch of the US has not been significantly challenged in a long, long time. States tried nullification early on in the republic which spiraled out of control into what later became the beginnings of the civil war.

I'm rambling, but the point is, as with any government, if they can do it, they'll go ahead and do it.

[Sodapop]

Colorado tomorrow:
http://i.imgur.com/wTCyN.jpg

[gotrocks]

Federal laws do not break state laws, they supercede them with supremacy clause, which in cases not specifically defined in the constitution (http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A1Sec8.html) are technically unconstitutional, but the executive branch of the US has not been significantly challenged in a long, long time. States tried nullification early on in the republic which spiraled out of control into what later became the beginnings of the civil war.

I'm rambling, but the point is, as with any government, if they can do it, they'll go ahead and do it.

I know they don't *actually* break state laws, but they seem like they do. I should have chosen my words more carefully, but its a frustrating subject for me for a number of reasons.

Regardless, its still 100% crap :)

[Lelroni]

Great news! Too bad my backwards state (Kansas) won't follow through with anything like this for another 80 years. The good news I guess is that I only live about 30 miles from the CO border :p.

On a serious note, what does this mean for all marijuana users who have been convicted, who are on trial, etc for possesion/selling? Huge class action lawsuits incoming? Or has something been put in place to cover the states ass in case something like this did happen?

[Orruar]

It's not really legal if you're limited to 2 ounces. Last I checked, I could go buy any amount of liquor or cigarettes that I want.

[Vicatin]

It's not really legal if you're limited to 2 ounces. Last I checked, I could go buy any amount of liquor or cigarettes that I want.

2 oz is a relatively large amount. Its probably the same as buying 15 cases of beer.

[Autotune]

2 oz is a relatively large amount. Its probably the same as buying 15 cases of beer.

not even close, if you drank that 15 cases of beer, you'd be dead.

[Thulack]

not even close, if you drank that 15 cases of beer, you'd be dead.

No one is gonna be drinking 15 cases of beer at once just like no one is going to be smoking 2 oz of weed at once.

[Orruar]

No one is gonna be drinking 15 cases of beer at once just like no one is going to be smoking 2 oz of weed at once.

There are less efficient ways to smoke weed. We once rolled a 1 oz spliff and smoked it between 4 people. If 2 oz is 15 cases, that would be like 4 people drinking 7.5 cases of beer. Not even close to the same thing.

Besides, you can go buy 100 cases of beer if you want. You can buy 30 kegs. There's no legal limit to the amount of alcohol you can purchase.

[bamzal]

THIS IS FUCKING AMAZING STOP THE PRESS CALL THE PRESS

[bamzal]

Drug regulations need to be left up to the states, not the federal government - this has been argued for decades, and I honestly do see a change in federal drug regulations in the near future. If you look at the history of that particular act its pretty plain to see it was a load of bullshit that it was ever passed in the first place. It never should have happened.


pretty sure one of the best things obama was, was make the state controll these laws instead of the federal government

[Orruar]

pretty sure one of the best things obama was, was make the state controll these laws instead of the federal government

Umm, Obama has increased drug raids, even in California...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/25/obama-marijuana-raids-rolling-stone_n_1451744.html

[Thulack]

There are less efficient ways to smoke weed. We once rolled a 1 oz spliff and smoked it between 4 people. If 2 oz is 15 cases, that would be like 4 people drinking 7.5 cases of beer. Not even close to the same thing.

Besides, you can go buy 100 cases of beer if you want. You can buy 30 kegs. There's no legal limit to the amount of alcohol you can purchase.

Rolling a o into a blunt is just a waste of weed or you smoke some real shitty stuff. I prefer to just smoke dugouts throughout the day at work and then vaporize or bong it(waster of weed too) when at home afterwords. Smoking a 1oz spliff is nothing more then wasting 3/4 oz.

[fishingme]

Rolling a o into a blunt is just a waste of weed or you smoke some real shitty stuff. I prefer to just smoke dugouts throughout the day at work and then vaporize or bong it(waster of weed too) when at home afterwords. Smoking a 1oz spliff is nothing more then wasting 3/4 oz.

whoever would put an ounce into a spliff(are you sure it was a spliff? Tobacco+weed) makes me want to hit them.

502 only legalizes buying it from the state and smoking it in the confines of your own home. Still illegal to smoke in public, illegal to grow, and pretty much illegal other than smoking at home and buying it legally now from state.

[fishingme]

whoever would put an ounce into a spliff(are you sure it was a spliff? Tobacco+weed) makes me want to hit them.

502 only legalizes buying it from the state and smoking it in the confines of your own home. Still illegal to smoke in public, illegal to grow, and pretty much illegal other than smoking at home and buying it legally now from state.

^^^Washington

[Wolfgang]

lol at people thinking Obama is the one calling the drug raids.

[Orruar]

Rolling a o into a blunt is just a waste of weed or you smoke some real shitty stuff. I prefer to just smoke dugouts throughout the day at work and then vaporize or bong it(waster of weed too) when at home afterwords. Smoking a 1oz spliff is nothing more then wasting 3/4 oz.

And I dump 6 beers into a pot to give my brauts a beer bath. There's no law against less efficient use of resources, whether it be beer or weed.

[Orruar]

whoever would put an ounce into a spliff(are you sure it was a spliff? Tobacco+weed) makes me want to hit them.

502 only legalizes buying it from the state and smoking it in the confines of your own home. Still illegal to smoke in public, illegal to grow, and pretty much illegal other than smoking at home and buying it legally now from state.

Ah you're right, it wasn't a spliff. It was just a giant carrot shaped (and carrot sized) joint. Took like 12 papers to wrap it up. When you have access to mass quantities of marijuana, you don't feel the need to smoke it in the most efficient way possible. If you'd hit someone for having a little fun, you are the most uptight pot smoker in the world.

[fishingme]

Ah you're right, it wasn't a spliff. It was just a giant carrot shaped (and carrot sized) joint. Took like 12 papers to wrap it up. When you have access to mass quantities of marijuana, you don't feel the need to smoke it in the most efficient way possible. If you'd hit someone for having a little fun, you are the most uptight pot smoker in the world.

At that point it's a blunt. Sorry, but I'm from washington where an ounce goes for $280. I think $280 into a one time smoke is pretty stupid. I should have rephrased that. I wouldn't hit, more so smack said person in disgust.

[fishingme]

However I'd be nearly willing to bet that what you guys rolled into it was shwag

[Orruar]

At that point it's a blunt. Sorry, but I'm from washington where an ounce goes for $280. I think $280 into a one time smoke is pretty stupid. I should have rephrased that. I wouldn't hit, more so smack said person in disgust.

We clearly didn't put high quality bud into this thing... It was the kind of stuff you get for $800 a pound. I don't think the law makes a distinction based on quality, so you'd still be stuck with the 1 or 2 ounce limit on the swag.

[Nirgon]

I imagine this will go over like the Diablo III auction house.

Prices will plummet, most people will lose interest in the drug now that it isn't as taboo.

[Orruar]

I can't believe that people who think it's bullshit that the government can prevent you from smoking weed will then turn around and think it's totally cool for the government to limit the amount you can own at any one time. The cognitive dissonance must be deafening. Have you all smoked yourselves stupid?

[Orruar]

At that point it's a blunt. Sorry, but I'm from washington where an ounce goes for $280. I think $280 into a one time smoke is pretty stupid. I should have rephrased that. I wouldn't hit, more so smack said person in disgust.

Also, not everyone who smokes pot is poor. As soon as weed is legal in my state, I'll roll up $280 in a joint and take a picture of it just for you.

[philbertpk]

Its about time. Liquor kills 2.5 million people a year around the world. 'Erd hasnt killed anyone ever.

Plus we can tax the SHIT out of it and actually be able to afford to pay teachers salarys that will attract the kinds of people we want to be teaching the next generation.

Regardless if you smoke or not, you should be happy about this. its a win for liberty. for America. For me.

[philbertpk]

Also, not everyone who smokes pot is poor. As soon as weed is legal in my state, I'll roll up $280 in a joint and take a picture of it just for you.

this part.

Actually the opposite.

If you want a drug for poor people, google bathtub meth.

[Calabee]

canadians still have the best weed, hands down.

[fishingme]

Also, not everyone who smokes pot is poor. As soon as weed is legal in my state, I'll roll up $280 in a joint and take a picture of it just for you.

I wasn't saying that everyone who smokes weed is poor. I could easily roll up $280 into one right now if I wanted to. Fact of the matter is, doing that is just a waste.

[Orruar]

I wasn't saying that everyone who smokes weed is poor. I could easily roll up $280 into one right now if I wanted to. Fact of the matter is, doing that is just a waste.

Never said it wasn't a waste. In fact I specifically pointed out that it was highly inefficient. The question is: Should wasting marijuana be illegal?

[bamzal]

write up and discussion at cnn
http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/01/politics/ballot-initiatives/index.html?hpt=hp_c2_7

[fishingme]

Never said it wasn't a waste. In fact I specifically pointed out that it was highly inefficient. The question is: Should wasting marijuana be illegal?

Then you're arguing with me for no real point. Personally, a blunt is cool and all but when it comes to actually wanting to get a great high I'd much rather build a gravity bong with my friends and kill a gram for each bowl.

[Alarti0001]

Never said it wasn't a waste. In fact I specifically pointed out that it was highly inefficient. The question is: Should wasting marijuana be illegal?

Doesn't matter. If people get a net benefit from the activity than it is up to them to decide if it is worth the cash. Movies are a waste to some people, yet other get alot of enjoyment from them.

[Orruar]

Then you're arguing with me for no real point. Personally, a blunt is cool and all but when it comes to actually wanting to get a great high I'd much rather build a gravity bong with my friends and kill a gram for each bowl.

You started it. You replied to my post, not the other way around. And I wasn't even arguing with you. I never said it wasn't a waste to smoke such a large joint. Don't start arguments if you have no point.

The argument I had started here was in showing how the 2 ounce (1 ounce?) limit is absurd. And I haven't seen anyone argue to the contrary.

Do you think the government has no right to restrict you from smoking pot, but has all the right in the world to restrict you from owning more than some arbitrary amount?

[Orruar]

Doesn't matter. If people get a net benefit from the activity than it is up to them to decide if it is worth the cash. Movies are a waste to some people, yet other get alot of enjoyment from them.

Shit, Altari agreeing with me makes me think I might be wrong.

[fishingme]

You started it. You replied to my post, not the other way around. And I wasn't even arguing with you. I never said it wasn't a waste to smoke such a large joint. Don't start arguments if you have no point.

The argument I had started here was in showing how the 2 ounce (1 ounce?) limit is absurd. And I haven't seen anyone argue to the contrary.

Do you think the government has no right to restrict you from smoking pot, but has all the right in the world to restrict you from owning more than some arbitrary amount?

Actually, I replied to Thulack's post. You then replied to my post, then so forth I replied to you. Sorry, argument/debate, whichever is fine. Personally, I don't think anyone has the right to restrict what you do to your own body.

[Tarathiel]

At that point it's a blunt. Sorry, but I'm from washington where an ounce goes for $280. I think $280 into a one time smoke is pretty stupid. I should have rephrased that. I wouldn't hit, more so smack said person in disgust.

holy shit, i can get an O of some premium purps or afgans for like 150. yall motherfuckers are getting ripped off

[Orruar]

Actually, I replied to Thulack's post. You then replied to my post, then so forth I replied to you. Sorry, argument/debate, whichever is fine. Personally, I don't think anyone has the right to restrict what you do to your own body.

If you want to get technical, you replied to Thulack addressing something I had said, so it's as good as a reply to my post.

And it appears you agree with me in regards to our relationship with government on this issue. The difference we have is that you would perpetrate violence upon those who smoke overly large joints. I'm not even sure I can call it wasting weed, since it certainly did bring us a certain amount of stoner amusement to see such a large joint rolled and smoked.

[Alarti0001]

Shit, Altari agreeing with me makes me think I might be wrong.

Why because we disagree on some issues we must disagree on all issues?

[fishingme]

If you want to get technical, you replied to Thulack addressing something I had said, so it's as good as a reply to my post.

And it appears you agree with me in regards to our relationship with government on this issue. The difference we have is that you would perpetrate violence upon those who smoke overly large joints. I'm not even sure I can call it wasting weed, since it certainly did bring us a certain amount of stoner amusement to see such a large joint rolled and smoked.

My agreement is with you about what you do with your own body is generalized. Not just for weed use. I didn't perpetrate to violence. I said that "it makes me want to" Not that I would hit them. There's a clear line between that, have you not ever made a statement of disagreement while taking it to a certain level that you know you wouldn't actually do? Also, with lack of details that you had given in your initial post and then clarified in another that it was schwag then yes, it wasn't a waste.

[Nordenwatch]

canadians still have the best weed, hands down.

Quebec weed sucks Ontario is where its at

[Orruar]

Also, with lack of details that you had given in your initial post and then clarified in another that it was schwag then yes, it wasn't a waste.

Even if it was the finest $1000/oz bud, how is it your decision whether it's a waste or not? Perhaps I receive more than $1000 worth of enjoyment from rolling and smoking a giant joint. If that's the case, then it is a net positive.

[HIYO]

Quebec weed sucks Ontario is where its at

Never been to BC i assume

[Hasbinlulz]

canadians still have the best weed, hands down.
You're fucking 'tarded.

[Hasbinlulz]

holy shit, i can get an O of some premium purps or afgans for like 150. yall motherfuckers are getting ripped off

[Hasbinlulz]

Humboldt.

[Tarathiel]

Humboldt.

im like 3 hours from humboldt/lake county and 2 hours from SF/oakland..... so ya basically lol

[gotrocks]

Quit derailin' my thread, mother fuckers!

He smoked a big joint and had fun.

He wants to punch people who smoke weed inefficiently.

You both smoke weed and should hug and make up.

200 bucks is the most you should pay for premium shit anywhere on the west coast

canadian weed is = to cali/wa

and you all should be happy that we took a step forward last night regardless of whether the quantity is limited to one oz.

god damn!

[Spitty]

At that point it's a blunt. Sorry, but I'm from washington where an ounce goes for $280.

This is laughable. You need to save yourself $80 at least and make some new friends.

Also laughable - states are taking the necessary baby steps towards full national legalization, and people couldn't wait 24 hours to start complaining again.

[gotrocks]

people couldn't wait 24 hours to start complaining again.
This.

[JackFlash]

canadians still have the best weed, hands down.

Maybe 15 years ago. California and Colorado are as good if not better now.

[Hasbinlulz]

Humboldt has always had the best pot in the world.

[Hasbinlulz]

BC has had more good bud per volume sure, but the cream of the crop is where the manzanita grows wild in the coastal mountains of california.

[Hasbinlulz]

per = as far as .. i dunno wtf, stfu.

[Hasbinlulz]

im like 3 hours from humboldt/lake county and 2 hours from SF/oakland..... so ya basically lol
You live in ... Chico? Roseville?

Trying to figure out where else that timing could point to..

[Tarathiel]

Stockton, hahaha

[Black Jesus]

weed is a gateway drug

[Tarathiel]

weed is a gateway drug

yup, the first time i smoked a joint it totally made me want to go shoot up heroin and smoke crack, now im a reefer maddened prostitute

[Hasbinlulz]

Stockton, hahaha
Oh dear god, I'm sorry. I didn't know.

[Tarathiel]

Oh dear god, I'm sorry. I didn't know.

its every bit as bad as you've heard

[Phats]

im from chico hbb

[Auvdar]

I live in Washington, about 15 minutes from the Canadian border in fact. Good time to be me!