Trak Watch - 2012

[arsenalpow]

Or should I say

http://i.imgur.com/1KN2Z.jpg

[SyanideGas]

Fancy fancy.

[Lostprophets]

Old News

[radditsu]

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[Autotune]

been there. done that. got the loot.

[radditsu]

been there. done that. got the loot.

come login, all your little friends are here. It will be a gay ol time.

[Nivar Quartz]

been there. done that. got the loot.

[Blotto]

Or should I say

http://i.imgur.com/1KN2Z.jpg

casual guild

[quido]

Blotto, do you still think I RMT?

[Autotune]

Also, if staff wanted to, they could solve this problem easily.

Any guild that has someone on the aggro list of a raid mob without having FTE has their guild Raid suspended for a month and each character suspended for 3 months.

Now see how many people want to risk sitting on fucking raid spawn points.

[Autotune]

Also, Rogean said 15man claim is still good to go.

[Autotune]

How many of you pushing for no variance actually participated in the raid scene of this server back when before the variance was introduced?

I'm willing to bet not many of you. Those that were here can vouch for how bad it really was. The problem isn't necessarily that a GM was being called to mediate every single raid boss (We can easily tell who got FTE relatively quickly), but the fact that the guilds treated eachother worse than they do now. No variance means poop socking.. the closer it gets to the spawn time, the more guilds show up. One guild might have been there waiting for 10 hours and another guild shows up 2 hours before it spawns. How fair is that?

So that's why the 15 person rule was originally implemented (Which still exists btw). As long as you maintained 15 people on top of the spawn point within aggro range, you had claim to the mob. Then as soon as a guild fell to 14 people, perhaps someone went linkdead for only a minute, the other guild would rush in and claim. GM's would be called, there was no way to prove either, but it's still a douchebag move. It got even worse when the era of rule lawyering started.

Now let's look at the Fippy server. I don't have all the information about what occurred there but I do know it was an absolutely spectacular clusterfuck. Many things were tried until eventually the GM's instituted a mandatory rotation. No matter what you do the guilds are going to treat eachother like shit. What's funny and/or sad is they don't even realize it themselves. They get so worked up over things that they form biased opinions which lead into a call for GM mediation, then obviously a decision has to be made which will inevitably result in one guild winning the dispute over the other, and the losing guild will immedietely and automatically cry claims of favoritism and corruption.

I don't want to force a rotation on the players. I believe in fair and fun competition. Players coming up with their own agreements is great as well but I don't think we should need to force anything upon them.

And what Rogean says, goes.

[Jarnauga]

sig relevant

[Metallikus]

And what Rogean says, goes.

Quotes:
Originally Posted by Rogean

So that's why the 15 person rule was originally implemented (Which still exists btw). As long as you maintained 15 people on top of the spawn point within aggro range, you had claim to the mob.

Originally posted by Metallikus

How are you going to comment on the current raid scene when you don't know that the 15 man rule was thrown out the day Sirken became lead GM?

Originally Posted by Sirken

15 people on a spawn is stupid. if u want to claim the mob, then engage the mob.

[Autotune]

Quotes:
Originally Posted by Rogean

So that's why the 15 person rule was originally implemented (Which still exists btw). As long as you maintained 15 people on top of the spawn point within aggro range, you had claim to the mob.

Originally posted by Metallikus

How are you going to comment on the current raid scene when you don't know that the 15 man rule was thrown out the day Sirken became lead GM?

Originally Posted by Sirken

15 people on a spawn is stupid. if u want to claim the mob, then engage the mob.

doesn't matter what Sirken says, Rogean posted that after Sirken's post.

Like I said, what Rogeans says goes.

[Tarathiel]

but rogean doesnt settle raid disputes unfortunately

[Autotune]

but rogean doesnt settle raid disputes unfortunately

bring it up to him and watch what happens.

[Tarathiel]

bring it up to him and watch what happens.

i wasnt around back in the day when he did, but id assume it wouldnt go well if someone asked him too, for any parties involved.

[Tarathiel]

if i was GM(thankfully im not, tho i did have GM powers for a night once which was pretty awesome, people /petition for some pretty dumb stuff lol) i would just wash my hands of the raid scene completely. sure it would be a clusterfuck for a while and lots of tears would be shed. but ultimately i think the server would learn to just get along

[Autotune]

i wasnt around back in the day when he did, but id assume it wouldnt go well if someone asked him too, for any parties involved.

Rogean leads the GMs/Guides. If he says something is still in, then it's in. He is still pretty active around p99 and all you have to do is bring it up to him.

I imagine Sirken just hasn't gone back and changed his "this shit is history" as it's kinda apparent that Rogean knows about Sirken's post.

If I were raiding and I could possibly change it so I didn't have to sock against a guild, I'd bring it up.

Better to be the 1st to know than the 2nd.

[Tarathiel]

valid point, though i doubt anyone who is still raiding will care. most likely they will continue the same cycle of douchebaggery because that is whats encouraged. until the raid guilds have some sort of motivation to get along things will never change. as it stands they can hate each other all they want and keep shitting up the raid scene because they know some GM will come through and fix everything.

[Autotune]

I would be 15manning shit until FTE shouts were put in.

[Metallikus]

I would be 15manning shit until FTE shouts were put in.

Since the current raid rule is clearly written as there is no 15 man rue, you would be wasting your time.

[Harazzer]

I would be 15manning shit until FTE shouts were put in.

But instead you are just a stupid forum troll, so no one gives a fuck!

[uygi]

Also, if staff wanted to, they could solve this problem easily.

Any guild that has someone on the aggro list of a raid mob without having FTE has their guild Raid suspended for a month and each character suspended for 3 months.

Now see how many people want to risk sitting on fucking raid spawn points.

+1 for Russian Roullette, but tone down the consequences to 1 week guild, 2 week player. Then people can roll the dice if they're willing to face the consequences. 50/50 shot that you get suspended or your opponent does? Whatever guild sits out wins reduced competition for a week, would help thin things out to have a guild or two out sometimes :D

[Tanthallas]

every raid mob killed after the first one at some arbitrary point (like 1st of the month and reset at 15th) must be killed with a maximum of 20% less people than some set standard.

60people --- 47people --- 38 people --- 30 people --- ...

Just seems like it would be interesting, and would force guilds that claim to be the best quality and not merely quantity to work with very minimal numbers toward the end of the periods based on the number of kills they have got.

[Hasbinlulz]

every raid mob killed after the first one at some arbitrary point (like 1st of the month and reset at 15th) must be killed with a maximum of 20% less people than some set standard.

60people --- 47people --- 38 people --- 30 people --- ...

Just seems like it would be interesting, and would force guilds that claim to be the best quality and not merely quantity to work with very minimal numbers toward the end of the periods based on the number of kills they have got.
That is actually a very cool idea. Not classic at all, but it would seriously cut the cream from the crop.

I envision having a 2 hour tick.. starts with 15 people, then to 20, then to 25, etc., every 2 hours a mob is up. Every guild that wants to should be able to engage at least once within 2 hours........

[Hasbinlulz]

I don't know if what I'm saying is the same as what you're saying.. But my post outlines an anti zerg method. Say if you had more then 15 people within X distance, the mob would banish.. Would require a non-interference agreement etc., of course, but that is very very interesting.

[arsenalpow]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYQdmLgc71Q&feature=youtu.be

[Hasbinlulz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYQdmLgc71Q&feature=youtu.be
This is cool.

[arsenalpow]

This is cool.

thanks jarn!

[Eccezan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYQdmLgc71Q&feature=youtu.be

unoriginal video, bad editing, bad music, 1/10 would not watch again

[Sweetbaby Jesus]

I hope every trak goes deep into window like the last 2. Good times, lots of bonding!

<3 <3 <3 TMO and BDA

[Hasbinlulz]

unoriginal video, bad editing, bad music, 1/10 would not watch again
Biased bias is biased.

[Tarathiel]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYQdmLgc71Q&feature=youtu.be

FE FTE
FE FTE
FE FTE
oh wait nm

[hatelore]

Haha well made clip! :)

[Hurley]

rofl, I told every guild to yell they had FTE when it died... oh well

btw, better video -
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[chief]

wait so bda / FE have started the poopsock on the last 2 mobs and are already saying the p99 raiding is bad? hmm if i was not eating my steak that cost more than your rent it would all make sense. QQ see you in vp (lol)

[Halfelfbard]

Tarathiel...Never change ur Avatar. Its the reason i think ur the coolest person in BDA.

[Hasbinlulz]

Tarathiel...Never change ur Avatar. Its the reason i think ur the coolest person in BDA.
I hate to say it, but I agree with halfelfbard.

[Jacquouille]

Stealin, that new avatar is not nearly hot enough.

I prefer asians, petite redheads, amputees, and girls with glasses.

+ corner hoz ready to blunt you with a stick

[Tarathiel]

aw you guys are making me blush!

[Lexical]

I would be a damn liar if I said I never gave your avatar the thumbs up while lurking Tarathiel.

[Tarathiel]

if only i was this popular irl

[radditsu]

if only i was this popular irl

Can i have your babies?

[Tarathiel]

Can i have your babies?

someday

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2011/08/08/worldwide-first-stem-cells-turned-into-sperm-turned-into-living-animals/

[Tarathiel]

http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=8522

this ones better

[Lexical]

if only i was this popular irl

I believe you just have to give the thumbs up more often.

[Hasbinlulz]

also u hav to look like mike myers