Do you think it is socially acceptable for to be proud in being white?

[Triangle]

Stated a bit more clearly: is it socially acceptable for a white person to express their pride in being white?

Secondly, do you think it is socially acceptable for black people to be proud of being black?

I am mostly interested in hearing if anyone thinks the answer to one of these is yes and the other is no and can say why that is the case.

Finally, if you think it is unacceptable to even ask such questions please state why in your flame.

[quido]

I'm proud as fuck of being white. HELL YEAH!

[Lucky]

White people have actually accomplished things

[Hailto]

I think its a bit stupid to be "proud" of your race, something completely out of your control. Be proud of personal accomplishments instead. Having said that I don't think you can say one group is allowed to be proud of their race and another isn't.

[Droxx]

http://sammi-joe.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/k40438_holy_fuck_i_love_being_white.jpg

[Servellious]

Im Italian, yet still considered white, its even better.

[quido]

Depends on what kind of Italian you are.

[quido]

The dark oily Mediterranean sorts are like 5% black, so I dunno, I guess you're kind of white still.

[Lucky]

name a programming language created by a black person

[quido]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Perl

[Safon]

Name a global atrocity committed by black people

[Lucky]

Rwandan genocide

[Big_Japan]

american decline

[Barkingturtle]

Rap music.

[Safon]

Touche

[quido]

Well-done steak

[Diggles]

digglesSkinColor.setBackground( Color.WHITE);

[Ephirith]

People tend to think whites are the most racist but I think Asians are major contender for that title. Go and try being black in China or Japan, I dare you. Also, Asian immigrants who come to the United States just fucking destroy whites on standardized tests within one generation. They also go on to have a higher median annual income. Take that, whitey.

Even so, "white pride" isn't socially acceptable, even though we're the most accomplished collection of cultures in human history. I don't see how it's hard to comprehend why that is, with racism being such a prevalent attitude. I believe the thought "Our race is awesome" kind of implies "Better than your race". I think black pride, hispanic pride, or any racial pride is equally illegitimate for the same reasons-- if you want to combat racism, don't do it by further differentiating, discriminating, and identifying based on race. But here's an easy fix, call it 'culture' and suddenly it's not so bad.

What's totally fucked up is that they did a study with little black toddler girls, and gave them a little white doll and a black doll, and asked them which one was more beautiful, which was nicer, etc-- and they overwhelmingly favored the white doll. It'd break my heart if it wasn't petrified with cholesterol.

[Safon]

dude u got shit on

Quiet whitey

[Safon]

People tend to think whites are the most racist but I think Asians are major contender for that title. Go and try being black in China or Japan, I dare you. Also, Asian immigrants who come to the United States just fucking destroy whites on standardized tests within one generation. They also go on to have a higher median annual income. Take that, whitey.

Even so, "white pride" isn't socially acceptable, even though we're the most accomplished collection of cultures in human history. I don't see how it's hard to comprehend why that is, with racism being such a prevalent attitude. I believe the thought "Our race is awesome" kind of implies "Better than your race". I think black pride, hispanic pride, or any racial pride is equally illegitimate for the same reasons-- if you want to combat racism, don't do it by further differentiating, discriminating, and identifying based on race. But here's an easy fix, call it 'culture' and suddenly it's not so bad.

What's totally fucked up is that they did a study with little black toddler girls, and gave them a little white doll and a black doll, and asked them which one was more beautiful, which was nicer, etc-- and they overwhelmingly favored the white doll. It'd break my heart if it wasn't petrified with cholesterol.

Mmmm, white chicks

[Triangle]

I think black pride, hispanic pride, or any racial pride is equally illegitimate for the same reasons


For my personal opinion, I think society looks down on pride in being white, but accepts pride in being hispanic, black etc. Just look at hispanic history month and black history month. I don't understand why this is the case, and I do think that it furthers racism and does not help dissolve it.

[Diggles]

fuckin ******s and spics get their own month where's the master race's month??????

[Ephirith]

For my personal opinion, I think society looks down on pride in being white, but accepts pride in being hispanic, black etc. Just look at hispanic history month and black history month. I don't understand why this is the case, and I do think that it furthers racism and does not help dissolve it.

Agreed. I meant to say:

I think black pride, hispanic pride, or any racial pride should be equally illegitimate for the same reasons

[Ephirith]

fuckin ******s and spics get their own month where's the master race's month??????

Whichever month has Chinese new year

[Lexical]

What I want to know is the entire purpose of this thread?

Anyone can tell you that pride is a bad thing that leads to even more terrible things. It is why it is one of the 7 deadly sins. This shit is weak..... and dumb..... and if anyone gets butthurt by what I am saying then please see this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpEwKz6YCEs

[Triangle]

What I want to know is the entire purpose of this thread?


Just to make people think and to see how people feel about this. I was thinking about it the other night and basically my feel is that any mention of pride in being white is frowned upon and looked at as a fringe part of society ala white supremacists. On the other hand I also think that pride in being black / latino is not looked at as fringe, but instead it is looked at as a good thing and supported by the media.

Why is it weak and dumb to bring something like this up? I think it matters, a lot more than whatever your stupid video does. Maybe you need to wake the fuck up.

[Triangle]

Secondly to address your question of why I brought this up Lexical: I believe that the way society looks at certain views affects whether or not people hold onto such views. People are naturally followers, and if society in general looks negatively on a viewpoint, then people will stray from that viewpoint. Now in today's world there is a bit of a chicken and egg problem in that there is at least a question over whether the media tells society what its views should be, and that the what is put on the media is not controlled by the majority of society.

In any case if white people are pushed away from being proud in the heritage I think that is a disservice toward them when other races feel such pride. Certainly at least people should not be made to feel guilty because of their skin color, and I don't want to say it has gone that far but some will argue it has.

[Arclyte]

I think its a bit stupid to be "proud" of your race, something completely out of your control. Be proud of personal accomplishments instead. Having said that I don't think you can say one group is allowed to be proud of their race and another isn't.

This is a very common argument that really doesn't make sense to me. While not in your personal control, your parents on the other hand were in complete control. Their decision to further their family and race in creating you was definitely not random. They are a part of you, as is their parents and so forth.

Is it also stupid to be proud of, say, the lunar landing? You had no hand in it, but it is definitely a part of you. What emotion should people feel?

[Autotune]

http://stickmanhouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/stickman-white-power.jpg

[Alawen]

Race is an unscientific and almost entirely arbitrary categorization. The language we use to discuss race is based primarily on the work of Johann Friedrich Blumenbach in the 18th century. His beliefs were basically opposite what we now know about human evolution and the differences between genotype and phenotype. We are all much more alike than we are different.

If you are fortunate enough to have come from a good family and your parents stayed together and raised you well as a team, the emotion you should feel is called gratitude. The emotion you feel about incredible accomplishments like the lunar landing is called wonder.

Here is a definition of pride: a feeling or deep pleasure or satisfaction derived from one's own achievements, the achievements of those with whom one is closely associated, or from qualities or possessions that are widely admired. Feeling pride in things which one had no direct contribution toward strikes me as involving megalomania and magical thinking. The American dream used to be working hard, contributing, and building a nice life. Now being a rentier and living off the work of others seems to be the dominant goal.

You really, really didn't build that.

[Tecmos Deception]

even though we're the most accomplished collection of cultures in human history

Or, more likely, you just think "white cultures" have done the most because your primary and secondary education, ya know, didn't tell you shit about any other cultures.

[Autotune]

Or, more likely, you just think "white cultures" have done the most because your primary and secondary education, ya know, didn't tell you shit about any other cultures.

Chinese and Japanese > Europeans any day.

[Raavak]

What about Indians & Pakistanis? You're obviously not white nor asian. But you're not a negro black. You're basically doomed to work in a croweded call center the rest of your miserable life.

[Vendor]

I'm proud as fuck of being white. HELL YEAH!

[Lexical]

Why is it weak and dumb to bring something like this up? I think it matters, a lot more than whatever your stupid video does. Maybe you need to wake the fuck up.

I never meant to be so bad to youuuuuu
One thing I said that I would never do

Just to make people think and to see how people feel about this. I was thinking about it the other night and basically my feel is that any mention of pride in being white is frowned upon and looked at as a fringe part of society ala white supremacists. On the other hand I also think that pride in being black / latino is not looked at as fringe, but instead it is looked at as a good thing and supported by the media.

Look at it this way. Being proud you are "white" is dumb because you are just saying "Hey my skin is white and I am god damn proud about that!" But when someone says they are proud they are African American or Latino that is a cultural thing. You are proud of your African American/Latino culture/heritage. There is a lot of "white" cultural pride as well. You have St. Patty's day when everyone who is Irish celebrates being Irish. You have Oktoberfest for Germans. You can go around and say "I am proud to be a gerd damn American!" and you can be white and it is great!

To summarize: Saying being proud you are white is stating you are proud of your skin color while saying you are proud to be Black/Latino is being proud in a culture. It is socially acceptable to be proud in a culture, but being proud of your skin culture is just plain daft.

[Lexical]

to have an internet discussion for entertainment purposes

U DUM!?

NO U!

[Ephirith]

Or, more likely, you just think "white cultures" have done the most because your primary and secondary education, ya know, didn't tell you shit about any other cultures.

Uh oh it looks like somebody attended an ethnocentrism lecture in intro to college anthropology. Look, I'm well aware of other cultures and the various ways they have handed our shit to us at different points in history. We weren't always on top.

Every culture has merit, but they are not all equally accomplished. Human civilization completely changed in the last 100-200 years, and the collective body of western thought was behind this- for better or worse.

[Lexical]

I never meant to be so bad to youuuuuu
One thing I said that I would never do



Look at it this way. Being proud you are "white" is dumb because you are just saying "Hey my skin is white and I am god damn proud about that!" But when someone says they are proud they are African American or Latino that is a cultural thing. You are proud of your African American/Latino culture/heritage. There is a lot of "white" cultural pride as well. You have St. Patty's day when everyone who is Irish celebrates being Irish. You have Oktoberfest for Germans. You can go around and say "I am proud to be a gerd damn American!" and you can be white and it is great!

To summarize: Saying being proud you are white is stating you are proud of your skin color while saying you are proud to be Black/Latino is being proud in a culture. It is socially acceptable to be proud in a culture, but being proud of your skin culture is just plain daft.


Ughhh Skin color not skin culture. Sorry I am a bit hungover D:

[Lexical]

Every culture has merit, but they are not all equally accomplished.

I agree completely. Being part Polish, I can definitely say that I have nothing to be proud of in that regard.

[Ephirith]

I agree completely. Being part Polish, I can definitely say that I have nothing to be proud of in that regard.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_winged_hussars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Lithuanian_Commonwealth

Could have been a lot worse

[fishingme]

This is a very common argument that really doesn't make sense to me. While not in your personal control, your parents on the other hand were in complete control. Their decision to further their family and race in creating you was definitely not random. They are a part of you, as is their parents and so forth.

Is it also stupid to be proud of, say, the lunar landing? You had no hand in it, but it is definitely a part of you. What emotion should people feel?

Being proud of the lunar landing is more centered toward being proud that the human race has been there. At least my thoughts on it.

[degenvf]

Race is an unscientific and almost entirely arbitrary categorization. The language we use to discuss race is based primarily on the work of Johann Friedrich Blumenbach in the 18th century. His beliefs were basically opposite what we now know about human evolution and the differences between genotype and phenotype. We are all much more alike than we are different.

If you are fortunate enough to have come from a good family and your parents stayed together and raised you well as a team, the emotion you should feel is called gratitude. The emotion you feel about incredible accomplishments like the lunar landing is called wonder.

Here is a definition of pride: a feeling or deep pleasure or satisfaction derived from one's own achievements, the achievements of those with whom one is closely associated, or from qualities or possessions that are widely admired. Feeling pride in things which one had no direct contribution toward strikes me as involving megalomania and magical thinking. The American dream used to be working hard, contributing, and building a nice life. Now being a rentier and living off the work of others seems to be the dominant goal.

You really, really didn't build that.


Being proud of other peoples achievements is like an mental disorder.
I mean feeling proud of the lunar landing in your underwear from your mothers basement. That can't be good right?

[Autotune]

Being proud of the lunar landing is more centered toward being proud that the human race has been there. At least my thoughts on it.

the human race didn't get there, the white race did. I didn't see any africans or sand people building space ships to play on the moon.

[Knuckle]

Differences in background should be accepted, variety is the spice of life. Trying to assimilate everyone into one line of thinking and actions is asinine to say the least.

At the same time as Lexical pointed out, Pride is simply a character flaw that the majority of people suffer from, it's the root of arrogance, scorn, and apathy. Nothing good comes from any sort of 'pride'.

That being said, taking satisfaction in accomplishments and things you or your family or 'race' have done in the past can be misconstrued as pride and lead to the above symptoms.

[Hailto]

This is a very common argument that really doesn't make sense to me. While not in your personal control, your parents on the other hand were in complete control. Their decision to further their family and race in creating you was definitely not random. They are a part of you, as is their parents and so forth.

Is it also stupid to be proud of, say, the lunar landing? You had no hand in it, but it is definitely a part of you. What emotion should people feel?

Am i proud of the lunar landing on a personal level? No, because its not something i accomplished myself. I don't understand being proud of something that you didn't have something to do with personally. I think it was a major milestone in human history, but i didn't contribute anything to it personally. I don't atone for the mistakes of my ancestors either.

[Autotune]

aren't you black irl?

What difference would that make?

[Autotune]

I just get a kick out of pointing it out because it's hilarious. You're definitely the most self-hating black man ever seen since that skit from Chapelle's Show.

I hate black people?

[Safon]

Look, the only real question is whether or not your pride will allow you to bow to your future Chinese overlords, or whether you'll be taken out back and shot.

There's no denying Western thought is largely responsible for the world as it is today, but the Han Chinese will be taking over the reigns very soon. This is the era of "whitey's sunset"

[Autotune]

Your sarcasm will not make you any less of a textbook self-hating black man, nor make it any less funny.

oh, okay.

[Ephirith]

Look, the only real question is whether or not your pride will allow you to bow to your future Chinese overlords, or whether you'll be taken out back and shot.

There's no denying Western thought is largely responsible for the world as it is today, but the Han Chinese will be taking over the reigns very soon. This is the era of "whitey's sunset"

China is a joke and that isn't going to change in our lifetimes, or likely in our children's lifetimes.

[Tarathiel]

fuckin ******s and spics get their own month where's the master race's month??????

the other 10 months out of the year

[dragonfists]

why the hell is p99 infested with dumbass racists? i mean i live in the south and i see it here a lot more than other places in the country i've lived but p99 has a lot.

be proud to be white, be proud to be black, be proud to be red or yellow; still nobody's any better than the other. you can debate this all you want but its going to come to this:

1) some cultures are more developed than others
2) physiologically all humans are the same and the skin color that we see doesn't mean someone's brain is any more or less capable than your own. after-all its our brain that set's us apart from every other creature. now what you do with it is another story

[Lexical]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_winged_hussars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Lithuanian_Commonwealth

Could have been a lot worse

My German heritage acknowledges these trite "accomplishments" as laughable at best.

[Autotune]

why the hell is p99 infested with dumbass racists? i mean i live in the south and i see it here a lot more than other places in the country i've lived but p99 has a lot.

be proud to be white, be proud to be black, be proud to be red or yellow; still nobody's any better than the other. you can debate this all you want but its going to come to this:

1) some cultures are more developed than others
2) physiologically all humans are the same and the skin color that we see doesn't mean someone's brain is any more or less capable than your own. after-all its our brain that set's us apart from every other creature. now what you do with it is another story

naw bro, it's proven with science that brain size directly correlates to skin color. Haven't you seen the news? The news (http://www.inquisitr.com/365195/race-based-education-policy-in-florida-under-fire-for-allegedly-fostering-ethnic-stereotypes/)

[Lexical]

naw bro, it's proven with science that brain size directly correlates to skin color. Haven't you seen the news? The news (http://www.inquisitr.com/365195/race-based-education-policy-in-florida-under-fire-for-allegedly-fostering-ethnic-stereotypes/)

Say that to this man's face!
http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/003/997/professor_badass1.jpg

[Furniture]

depends on your location and mentality of the residents around you

Ive lived in a white suburb neighborhood for most of my life, and the mentality that your proud of your color would definitely not go over with most people,

but on the other hand, ive lived for about a year in a bad part of yonkers, one of the worst ghettos in new york, being the only white guy around ive talked to plenty of black people, and i can say for sure that they had much more of a black pride attitude then ive ever heard any white person had about being white to the point that they were just straight up ignorant and foolish

[degenvf]

Say that to this man's face!
http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/003/997/professor_badass1.jpg


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[fishingme]

the human race didn't get there, the white race did. I didn't see any africans or sand people building space ships to play on the moon.

Human race is all ethnicities on planet earth, not just white.

[Autotune]

Human race is all ethnicities on planet earth, not just white.

Really? Are you trying to imply I somehow did not figure that out? I'm pretty sure that is why I said what I said.

[Autotune]

Say that to this man's face!
http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/003/997/professor_badass1.jpg

Not sure why you want me to talk to an Indian man about what I posted, but I will if he wants to come to my residence.

[Diggles]

them some balla pink spats

[Autotune]

So Autotune are you like Uncle Ruckus in denial of your being black? Or just your more standard variety self-hating black person?

Going for idiot of the year eh?

[Reiker000]

I'm proud of a lot of things, for example I'm really proud that I never made this shitty fucking thread.

[Autotune]

pretty sure i've already said i was black in at least 3 posts this year.

[Diggles]

Stealin is actually a conglomerate of posters that are all in their prof pics

[fishingme]

the human race didn't get there, the white race did. I didn't see any africans or sand people building space ships to play on the moon.

The human race did get there. You need to look pass the ethnic boundaries.

[fishingme]

Really? Are you trying to imply I somehow did not figure that out? I'm pretty sure that is why I said what I said.

I'm not implying, I'm stating the fact that you did not figure that out. You have said nothing to the contrary of my first statement that has helped prove your point.

[Autotune]

The human race did get there. You need to look pass the ethnic boundaries.

nope, just whites got there. No blacks allowed on the moon.

[Diggles]

they'd get lost

[Autotune]

they'd get lost

and snort all the white powder/steal everything they could get their black hands on.

[Alawen]

Minnesota is very Teutonic, mostly German and Swedish. Back a hundred years ago, the Finns living up in the Iron Range were considered colored. Southern Europeans were also considered colored in much of the United States.

Koreans and Japanese are so genetically similar that they're difficult to differentiate from DNA. People who identify as Hispanic or Latino have a mixture of indigenous, European, and African blood.

Race is mostly a social construct. We're the same species. We don't even have sub-species. The boundaries are complete fuzz. They don't even collect data about race and ethnicity in most of the world outside the United States. I hope we get over it within my lifetime.

[Autotune]

Minnesota is very Teutonic, mostly German and Swedish. Back a hundred years ago, the Finns living up in the Iron Range were considered colored. Southern Europeans were also considered colored in much of the United States.

Koreans and Japanese are so genetically similar that they're difficult to differentiate from DNA. People who identify as Hispanic or Latino have a mixture of indigenous, European, and African blood.

Race is mostly a social construct. We're the same species. We don't even have sub-species. The boundaries are complete fuzz. They don't even collect data about race and ethnicity in most of the world outside the United States. I hope we get over it within my lifetime.

similar? yes.
same? no.

Might as well be comparing different breeds of dogs. Some breeds are just naturally smarter than other breeds.

[Autotune]

also, if blacks wanted credit for landing on the moon, they should have waited longer to fight for their freedom. Maybe Nasa would have let them pick the cotton that would end up in a space suit or something.

[Hailto]

You are certainly not black.

[jijii]

taking pride in very broad / general attributes that you just happened into, and had nothing to do with, does strike me as somewhat... i dunno what the word really is, but, "silly" comes to mind. i do think a lot of that depends on what you really mean when you say "pride" though.

think about the things you REALLY take pride in. usually they involve you having had to overcome some kind of obstacle to accomplish something. being white, especially in america, for the most part doesn't fit this classification of pride.

maybe not now, but not too long ago in this country being black or hispanic, and then being a generally successful person DEFINITELY did involve overcoming more obstacles, and would then under my classification of pride be more constituting of having pride in your ethnicity.

and again these are just broad generalizations and there are all kinds of nooks and cranny's and exceptions. all people of all ethnicities face or have faced difficult obstacles in their lives and will continue to do so forever.

but in general, if you're in the US you pretty much only have first world problems. and if you're in the US and you're also white, you probably don't even have those. if the hardest thing you face in any given day is getting your latte made wrong and having to study hard for an exam for 4 hours, wellllllll then there's probably not very many ppl interested in hearing about your massive, broad, sweeping, generalized racial pride.

even if it isn't fair.

(because life isn't)

[Hasbinlulz]

anyone proud of their "race" is a fucking idiot.

[Tasslehofp99]

lol posts retarded, we all humans braj

[Hasbinlulz]

He was black right?:)
Jesus was an alien.

[Diggles]

http://livingjourney.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/alien-jesus.png

looks white to me

[Itap]

http://i.imgur.com/TGviD.jpg

[Hasbinlulz]

That was a great speech.

[Ephirith]

I don't think anyone is implying that when somebody takes 'pride' in their culture they are taking credit for it. The most autistically strict definition of the word might suggest that, but I think it's more just a case of sloppy semantics.

So let's replace the word 'pride' with 'respect' and see how that pans out logically. "I have lots of respect for the legacy of european culture! I am a member of that culture, and though I didn't personally conquer the world and invent microchips, I'm glad to be a part of such a great legacy no matter how insignificant my part."

And anyway if you're going to be logically consistent about bashing pride, might as well go around mocking sports fans for wearing jerseys and sportswear. You're not a member of the team, you're just a fat slob, but you sit there in the stands telling them to play defense? Proud of your favorite team? Fuck you!

[Hasbinlulz]

Proud of your favorite team? Fuck you!

[Alawen]

I don't think anyone is implying that when somebody takes 'pride' in their culture they are taking credit for it. The most autistically strict definition of the word might suggest that, but I think it's more just a case of sloppy semantics.

So let's replace the word 'pride' with 'respect' and see how that pans out logically. "I have lots of respect for the legacy of european culture! I am a member of that culture, and though I didn't personally conquer the world and invent microchips, I'm glad to be a part of such a great legacy no matter how insignificant my part."

And anyway if you're going to be logically consistent about bashing pride, might as well go around mocking sports fans for wearing jerseys and sportswear. You're not a member of the team, you're just a fat slob, but you sit there in the stands telling them to play defense? Proud of your favorite team? Fuck you!

Yes, you're exactly right if by "most autistically strict definition" you mean "English definition" and if by "no matter how insignificant my part" you mean "I didn't do shit and I deserve no credit whatsoever." Yes, pride in your favorite sports team is also a misnomer. I can go buy an SF Giants cap tomorrow, but I don't share in the credit for the series win. I couldn't hit a major league curve ball or catch a line drive or steal a base. I'd probably get a fucking concussion if I tried.

But, hey. Enjoy your megalomania and magical thinking. We won! Woo!!! Go vote. You actually get to contribute to that team. It's your fault when things inevitably get fucked up, though.

[Sadre]

Every statement, every phrase, has a context, which is what gives that symbolic statement its real, actual, functional, contextual meaning. For example, in certain non Western cultures, the symbol of the swastika (as we call it) has a completely unrelated meaning due to a completely unrelated context of its usage as a symbol, and that context we call culture, or history, or, plain out intention.

This is the general argument of those who say it's "different" depending on if you are white or black: different contexts, etcetera.

But that is not my point. My point is, your own question needs context. Why do you ask this question?

Are you a sociologist?

Are you a white pride enthusiast seeking companionship?

Are you a troll?

Are you a black person working through your blackness and whatever that means in this crazy, messed up world of ours?

Are you well-hung?

These all are needed before I answer any random question.



sadre

[Triangle]

http://i.imgur.com/TGviD.jpg

BOOM! This is what this thread is all about. To all the people who did the "LOLZ this thread is dum". Peanuts knows what I am talking about=P

[bongdoom]

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[radditsu]

Don cheadle is 19% white. Race means nothing. People should stop caring about it. I am sure my pasty white lilly behind has all kinds of races in it.

[Chokan]

Say that to this man's face!
http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/003/997/professor_badass1.jpg

Is that T.O. in the background on the left?

[Ephirith]

I am sure my...behind has all kinds of races in it.

I know how that goes brah

[radditsu]

I know how that goes brah

Oh you! Gimme a big ol hug!

[Triangle]

Don cheadle is 19% white. Race means nothing. People should stop caring about it. I am sure my pasty white lilly behind has all kinds of races in it.

See thats your preference though. You get to choose who you take it in the ass from. And secondly I don't see what that has to do with this thread.

[Arclyte]

If it were up to clowns like Alawen/Hasbinfat/Radditsu the western world would look like South America

That's the great irony of modern "diversity". Unique identities and genes are lost as everyone ends up the same.

If you don't give a shit about that then that's your prerogative. Many people believe they have something to lose.

[Diggles]

don't say irony and hasbinfat in the same sentence.

now he's going to go batshit fuckin loco

[Alawen]

If it were up to clowns like Alawen/Hasbinfat/Radditsu the western world would look like South America

That's the great irony of modern "diversity". Unique identities and genes are lost as everyone ends up the same.

If you don't give a shit about that then that's your prerogative. Many people believe they have something to lose.

Are you for real? I could not care less who you breed with. I hope you don't breed, but if you must, feel free to fuck your sister. Feel free to fuck your mother.

[radditsu]

If it were up to clowns like Alawen/Hasbinfat/Radditsu the western world would look like South America

That's the great irony of modern "diversity". Unique identities and genes are lost as everyone ends up the same.

If you don't give a shit about that then that's your prerogative. Many people believe they have something to lose.

You don't get it.
http://i.imgur.com/qTMHN.jpg

This is don cheadle, one of the blackest people i have ever seen. According to genetic testing on the PBS Documentary African American Lives 2, nearly 1/5th of his ancestry is of European decent. The program goes on to show this:

58 percent of African Americans have at least 12.5 percent European ancestry (equivalent of one great-grandparent);
19.6 percent of African Americans have at least 25 percent European ancestry (equivalent of one grandparent);
1 percent of African Americans have at least 50 percent European ancestry (equivalent of one parent); and
5 percent of African Americans have at least 12.5 percent Native American ancestry (equivalent to one great-grandparent)


However since I have yet to find any reputable sources in relation of white people with african american descent, I cannot comment on the reverse. However with the taboo of mixed racial households in america mostly gone, coupled with increased populations of both the latin and african american communities in America, I highly doubt that any of us will be considered a single "pure" race. I am sure there will still be "pure" white europeans, mostly in northern europe, but that is mostly due to geographical isolationism.

We are not dogs, we are human beings, our genetic diversity makes us adaptive.
Do not get me wrong, as a person there are certain cultural aspects of humanity i do not understand or like. I personally have never found dark skinned women attractive. I am not stupid enough to think that as our society becomes more interconnected that we will not have changes to the makeup of humanity.



tldr: Shut up you racist fuck. Its happening with or without your blessing.

[Hasbinlulz]

You don't get it.
http://i.imgur.com/qTMHN.jpg

This is don cheadle, one of the blackest people i have ever seen. According to genetic testing on the PBS Documentary African American Lives 2, nearly 1/5th of his ancestry is of European decent. The program goes on to show this:

58 percent of African Americans have at least 12.5 percent European ancestry (equivalent of one great-grandparent);
19.6 percent of African Americans have at least 25 percent European ancestry (equivalent of one grandparent);
1 percent of African Americans have at least 50 percent European ancestry (equivalent of one parent); and
5 percent of African Americans have at least 12.5 percent Native American ancestry (equivalent to one great-grandparent)


However since I have yet to find any reputable sources in relation of white people with african american descent, I cannot comment on the reverse. However with the taboo of mixed racial households in america mostly gone, coupled with increased populations of both the latin and african american communities in America, I highly doubt that any of us will be considered a single "pure" race. I am sure there will still be "pure" white europeans, mostly in northern europe, but that is mostly due to geographical isolationism.

We are not dogs, we are human beings, our genetic diversity makes us adaptive.
Do not get me wrong, as a person there are certain cultural aspects of humanity i do not understand or like. I personally have never found dark skinned women attractive. I am not stupid enough to think that as our society becomes more interconnected that we will not have changes to the makeup of humanity.



tldr: Shut up you racist fuck. Its happening with or without your blessing.
You talk a lot like you know what you're talking about, but there is no such thing as race, it's all made up and so everything you're saying is bullshit.

[Wolfgang]

we all the same species nerds. race was so 100 years ago.

[radditsu]

You talk a lot like you know what you're talking about, but there is no such thing as race, it's all made up and so everything you're saying is bullshit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_%28human_classification%29

[Hasbinlulz]

Oh dear, the almighty wikipedia strikes again.

[Hasbinlulz]

Here is a critical discussion of the "science" of race put together by the social science research council. The linked article is a really good starting point, but you can find several other articles there as well.

Consider yourself encouraged to expand beyond your wiki barriers and join the adult discussion.

Eve is from Adam's Rib, the Earth is Flat, and Races Come from Genes
By Jacqueline Stevens
http://raceandgenomics.ssrc.org/Stevens/

[Hasbinlulz]

Wikipedia contains a lot of fiction, just FYI buddy, either that, or I just solved an age old mystery:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicorn

[radditsu]

Wikipedia contains a lot of fiction, just FYI buddy, either that, or I just solved an age old mystery:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicorn

The unicorn is a legendary animal from European folklore that resembles a white horse with a large, pointed, spiraling horn projecting from its forehead, and sometimes a goat's beard and cloven hooves.


first sentence says its not real bro

[Daldolma]

This is a ridiculous discussion. Race is shorthand. If you think humans are actually broken into cookie cutter genetic subgroups like "White", "Black", and "Asian", you're an idiot.

But saying "race doesn't exist" is pretty silly, too. The majority of people that use the term aren't using it as a genetic marker -- they're using it to refer to the social construct or just a general physical appearance. If someone asks you to describe Tupac, I think we're all pretty cool saying "Well, he was black..." without necessarily taking the time to qualify that he shares a vast majority of his genetic makeup with every other human being and may or may not be more similar genetically to certain people with lighter skin than to other people with darker skin.

It's just not realistic to expect the basic outline of race to go away -- at least not any time soon. Even if we stop collecting 'racial' data and asking about it on forms, nobody is going to stop referring to other people as black, white, Asian, Hispanic, etc. It's a fairly natural phenotypical distinction.

[Daldolma]

Oh, and to address the main question of the OP, sure. There's nothing wrong with being proud of being white. It's pretty stupid, since it's hardly a step up from being proud of being human -- but if you're stoked about it, cool. It's not really any more ridiculous than being proud of an ancestor you never met, or a famous figure that grew up in the same town as you, or anything else that you had very little or nothing to do with.

But being proud of your skin tone or your genetic makeup or even the culture you were raised in really doesn't make a lot of sense. You can be happy about it. You can like it. You can prefer it to alternatives. But pride seems like a mischaracterization of the sentiment.

Also, I think you're conflating 'racial' pride with cultural pride. It's one thing to believe Mexican food and lifestyle is the best, but it seems a little more ridiculous to be proud of everyone that has ever had the same few similar genetic pairings and everything those people have ever accomplished.

Almost invariably, 'racial pride' is just another word for racism (which, as discussed above, is based on a flawed understanding of genetics anyway). If you're proud of being white, you're not really saying you're proud of everything Canadians, Norwegians, and Belgians have accomplished. You're saying fuck off to people with black, brown, or yellow skin.

[BigSlip]

i like to argue about racial problems on an eq emu forum










oh god



haha

[degenvf]

I'm sorry but I don't want to be an Emperor, that's not my business. I don't want to rule or conquer anyone. I should like to help everyone if possible, Jew, gentile, black man, white. We all want to help one another, human beings are like that. We all want to live by each other's happiness, not by each other's misery. We don't want to hate and despise one another. In this world there is room for everyone and the earth is rich and can provide for everyone.
The way of life can be free and beautiful. But we have lost the way.

Greed has poisoned men's souls, has barricaded the world with hate;
has goose-stepped us into misery and bloodshed.

We have developed speed but we have shut ourselves in:
machinery that gives abundance has left us in want.
Our knowledge has made us cynical,
our cleverness hard and unkind.
We think too much and feel too little:
More than machinery we need humanity;
More than cleverness we need kindness and gentleness.

Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost.

The aeroplane and the radio have brought us closer together. The very nature of these inventions cries out for the goodness in men, cries out for universal brotherhood for the unity of us all. Even now my voice is reaching millions throughout the world, millions of despairing men, women and little children, victims of a system that makes men torture and imprison innocent people. To those who can hear me I say "Do not despair".

The misery that is now upon us is but the passing of greed, the bitterness of men who fear the way of human progress: the hate of men will pass and dictators die and the power they took from the people, will return to the people and so long as men die [now] liberty will never perish. . .

Soldiers: don't give yourselves to brutes, men who despise you and enslave you, who regiment your lives, tell you what to do, what to think and what to feel, who drill you, diet you, treat you as cattle, as cannon fodder.

Don't give yourselves to these unnatural men, machine men, with machine minds and machine hearts. You are not machines. You are not cattle. You are men. You have the love of humanity in your hearts. You don't hate, only the unloved hate. Only the unloved and the unnatural. Soldiers: don't fight for slavery, fight for liberty.

In the seventeenth chapter of Saint Luke it is written:
- "The kingdom of God is within man"
Not one man, nor a group of men, but in all men; in you, the people.

You the people have the power, the power to create machines, the power to create happiness. You the people have the power to make life free and beautiful, to make this life a wonderful adventure. Then in the name of democracy let's use that power, let us all unite. Let us fight for a new world, a decent world that will give men a chance to work, that will give you the future and old age and security. By the promise of these things, brutes have risen to power, but they lie. They do not fulfil their promise, they never will. Dictators free themselves but they enslave the people. Now let us fight to fulfil that promise. Let us fight to free the world, to do away with national barriers, do away with greed, with hate and intolerance. Let us fight for a world of reason, a world where science and progress will lead to all men's happiness.

Soldiers! In the name of democracy: let us all unite!

[Hasbinlulz]

"race doesn't exist"
If you were referring to me, to be clear, I said "it's all made up." A social construct is different than nonexistence, and neither is synonymous with the other as far as I'm concerned.

[Diggles]

man i wanna see iksars and trolls and dark elves and shit walking around nyc ya feel me

[Hasbinlulz]

'racial pride' is just another word for racism. If you're proud of being white ... You're saying fuck off to people with black, brown, or yellow skin.
I know I am taking this quote a little bit out of it's context, but it is absolutely brilliant as it stands.

[Diggles]

yall motherfuckers need shadowrun

[Hasbinlulz]

yall motherfuckers need shadowrun
always was more of a fan of cyberpunk

[Hasbinlulz]

I'm sorry but I don't want to be an Emperor, that's not my business. I don't want to rule or conquer anyone. I should like to help everyone if possible, Jew, gentile, black man, white. We all want to help one another, human beings are like that. We all want to live by each other's happiness, not by each other's misery. We don't want to hate and despise one another. In this world there is room for everyone and the earth is rich and can provide for everyone.
The way of life can be free and beautiful. But we have lost the way.

Greed has poisoned men's souls, has barricaded the world with hate;
has goose-stepped us into misery and bloodshed.

We have developed speed but we have shut ourselves in:
machinery that gives abundance has left us in want.
Our knowledge has made us cynical,
our cleverness hard and unkind.
We think too much and feel too little:
More than machinery we need humanity;
More than cleverness we need kindness and gentleness.

Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost.

The aeroplane and the radio have brought us closer together. The very nature of these inventions cries out for the goodness in men, cries out for universal brotherhood for the unity of us all. Even now my voice is reaching millions throughout the world, millions of despairing men, women and little children, victims of a system that makes men torture and imprison innocent people. To those who can hear me I say "Do not despair".

The misery that is now upon us is but the passing of greed, the bitterness of men who fear the way of human progress: the hate of men will pass and dictators die and the power they took from the people, will return to the people and so long as men die [now] liberty will never perish. . .

Soldiers: don't give yourselves to brutes, men who despise you and enslave you, who regiment your lives, tell you what to do, what to think and what to feel, who drill you, diet you, treat you as cattle, as cannon fodder.

Don't give yourselves to these unnatural men, machine men, with machine minds and machine hearts. You are not machines. You are not cattle. You are men. You have the love of humanity in your hearts. You don't hate, only the unloved hate. Only the unloved and the unnatural. Soldiers: don't fight for slavery, fight for liberty.

In the seventeenth chapter of Saint Luke it is written:
- "The kingdom of God is within man"
Not one man, nor a group of men, but in all men; in you, the people.

You the people have the power, the power to create machines, the power to create happiness. You the people have the power to make life free and beautiful, to make this life a wonderful adventure. Then in the name of democracy let's use that power, let us all unite. Let us fight for a new world, a decent world that will give men a chance to work, that will give you the future and old age and security. By the promise of these things, brutes have risen to power, but they lie. They do not fulfil their promise, they never will. Dictators free themselves but they enslave the people. Now let us fight to fulfil that promise. Let us fight to free the world, to do away with national barriers, do away with greed, with hate and intolerance. Let us fight for a world of reason, a world where science and progress will lead to all men's happiness.

Soldiers! In the name of democracy: let us all unite!
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[stormlord]

This is an interesting topic.

I believe that differences aren't confined to our appearance. They run deeper than that. This is where all of the conflict happens. However, the differences are relatively small. Studies show that while african americans have lower IQ than the national average, nearly all of it can be explained by socioeconomic factors like poverty and past injustices. Even if there was a 1 point IQ difference, so what? This is the common theme when you examine the differences between the races. We need to stop patting ourselves on the back because we're white or black or purple or yellow and instead start patting ourselves on the back because we were born into a land with opportunity.

[stormlord]

But who chose to be born into a place of opportunity?

Nobody.

[Visual]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eDp4wFUPMw

[stormlord]

Here I'll post two studies that show contradictory results:
http://www.news-medical.net/news/2005/04/26/9530.aspx
http://www.albionmonitor.com/5-5-96/povertyiq.html

I of course go with the latter since poverty has such a large impact on a growing child.