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Raren
05-31-2010, 05:17 AM
http://http://i49.tinypic.com/96eqo7.jpg

Wheres ur fucking cloak now bitch

Abacabb
05-31-2010, 05:19 AM
lolwut?

http://i49.tinypic.com/96eqo7.jpg

Raren
05-31-2010, 05:19 AM
thanks abacab

Cheech
05-31-2010, 06:10 AM
Zazook " his man sauce ran dry" Lol...

Shannacore
05-31-2010, 06:53 AM
oh hay watch me fizzle

spoolie
05-31-2010, 06:54 AM
love that im just a () in that SS what the fuck was i even doing heh

Shannacore
05-31-2010, 07:02 AM
That mansauce comment really is just silly.

Jify
05-31-2010, 08:05 AM
lolwut?

http://i49.tinypic.com/96eqo7.jpg

Lol.

It does suck that those deserving titles had them removed. :(

Dabamf
05-31-2010, 08:19 AM
Hell hath no fury like a rejected IB app scorned

jilena
05-31-2010, 08:37 AM
I want a cloak of flames. Thanks.

Supreme
05-31-2010, 09:40 AM
I did not know Rogean was black.

Barkingturtle
05-31-2010, 10:41 AM
He looks a lot like Ving Rhames.

Erasong
05-31-2010, 11:21 AM
When sillyness happens we all lose. Dont see why this is an "IB loses again" specific. The title thing is a whole new can of worms im not going into but realy, quit constantly trying to drum up anti IB campaigns out of anything possible. What? Dow jones down again? IB LOSES AGAIN TAKE THAT.

redghosthunter
05-31-2010, 11:42 AM
OW NOW! don't be Bashin, Taco Bell :P

Otto
05-31-2010, 03:31 PM
Zazook: His man sauce ran dry.

Lawl.

Everything else about this is absurd and juvenile, including Rogean's reaction.

Beau
05-31-2010, 03:35 PM
Yeah kinda makes me want to stop playing on this server. There is no victory when the owner power trips and bans people for calling a spade a spade . Hope this isn't my last post too but honestly, this whole thing is really really sad. Its been a short time ive been on this server and i see these stuff more frequently than i care to :(

Atennu
05-31-2010, 03:41 PM
http://http://i49.tinypic.com/96eqo7.jpg

Wheres ur fucking cloak now bitch

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p203/Atennu/Batman.jpg

Lazortag
05-31-2010, 03:44 PM
Who got banned? Why did they get banned? For this to be as dramatic as possible we need information.

Rogean
05-31-2010, 03:52 PM
Not that we should be discussing bans on the forums, but do you guys honestly expect us to allow someone to walk around using that kind of abusive language towarss the staff? You honestly expect us to ignore it? You would get an instant ban for that kind of thing on live, even if it wasn't directed towards a staff member. We take staff insult seriously, I would have done the same had he been talking that way about any other staff member than myself. He knew what he was saying, and he knew it would land him a suspension, how did he think he could walk around talking like that and get away with it?

Otto
05-31-2010, 03:59 PM
His opinion on a staff member was said individually to another person in the game. Did he go into rants and flames and say shit about you or another GM?

Sure he had a message in his character status with a healthy distaste for your decision, but really? Just silly.

I'm mad about decisions by staff too and I've openly disagreed with what has been done on many occasions, this just sounds like overkill.

Beau
05-31-2010, 04:10 PM
Yeah i understand that part Rogean but i think its a lot deeper than that. Let's be honest. I would agree completely with you too, by the way, that if someone is using vulgarity and it becomes offensive or a nuisance then it gets a warning, and then if its not corrected it would have been suspended and in the most extreme cases even eventually banned. In Classic there was a filter and a warning in the Eula that content could not be completely regulated because it was unique in the sense that it was an adult used MMO. That issue did come up a lot and I personally have NEVER seen anyone banned or even suspended for it. Warned sure, but that was usually enough. I mean think about it, by that logic , Raren would also need a ban or suspension from the nature of his first post in this thread. And every person dropping f-bombs in ec tunnels would need one every ten minutes. I don't want to start a big ordeal but it seems more like personal vindication than anything and dude, by all means, get upset, hate that person, whatever, but It is not classic for gms to throw out bans or suspensions based off of personal pride.

Sorry but thats just my two cents. Be mad if you want, but this is rants and flames heh.

girth
05-31-2010, 04:22 PM
Suspending somebody for what they said in tells to somebody else is very weak if you ask me.

Rogean
05-31-2010, 04:25 PM
Sure he had a message in his character status with a healthy distaste for your decision

The inspect message was there before anything was done by me.

Bossco
05-31-2010, 04:32 PM
I don't see a timestamp in that picture... The inspect message was put there before you took away / before you announced you were taking away titles?

That doesn't make any sense.

Otto
05-31-2010, 04:32 PM
I was going to quote girth and say that he's going to use the personal profile as his justification, but figured why bother.

What was in his profile wasn't even that bad rofl, I'm sure you've heard so much worse Rogean.

Phallax
05-31-2010, 04:33 PM
Suspending somebody for what they said in tells to somebody else is very weak if you ask me.

Doesnt matter how or who it was sent to. He disrespected someone that puts their time into the server so players and play for free. Dont act surprised about the ban, its was inevitable.

Rogean
05-31-2010, 04:36 PM
I don't see a timestamp in that picture... The inspect message was put there before you took away / before you announced you were taking away titles?

That doesn't make any sense.

Whoever said removing titles was my decision? Hah, see how things can be misconstrued when assumptions are made?

Otto
05-31-2010, 04:36 PM
Doesnt matter how or who it was sent to. He disrespected someone that puts their time into the server so players and play for free. Dont act surprised about the ban, its was inevitable.

If it was a matter of respect, a significant portion of this server would have been banned long ago.

President
05-31-2010, 04:37 PM
If it was a matter of respect, a significant portion of this server would have been banned long ago.

It's about a line. He crossed it.

Otto
05-31-2010, 04:39 PM
It's about a line. He crossed it.

And what I'm saying is many people have crossed that line in the past, and said worse things. This just seems like misdirected rage from both parties.

Alawen Everywhere
05-31-2010, 04:39 PM
I'd like to apologize on behalf of my guildmates who are apparently too cool for that sort of thing. I don't think the attitude demonstrated here was appropriate for expressing disagreement with a rules change.

Bossco
05-31-2010, 04:44 PM
Excuse me, by "you" I should have said "the staff"

You are the face of this operation, so staff decisions in general do reflect upon you in the eyes of the community.

Also, didn't you post in the FoH forums that you had decided to take away the titles?

Atennu
05-31-2010, 04:45 PM
It's about a line. He crossed it.

So a ban is the only way to throw someone back in their place? Well if it happens once it should happen everytime someone is out of line. To keep GM ruling the same you know?

Hits911
05-31-2010, 04:46 PM
You cant do something negative to players and not expect some kind of negative reaction. It happened all the time on live and was never met with this kind of discipline. I understand you are very involved personally(and do an amazing job) with this server but as the admin you "should" understand that these kind of things are going to happen and you cant get emotionally invested in the disciplinary decisions you make, which is clearly the case here.

A warning would have been just punishment if anything at all.

Otto
05-31-2010, 04:47 PM
It was never said anywhere that it was his decision to remove titles explicitly.

Besides, this is about disagreeing with the manner in which things were handled by both parties.

Zexa
05-31-2010, 04:51 PM
All I know is I read his first post saying "I should just remove titles all together" followed by "All titles will be removed next patch" after more heckling.

Bossco
05-31-2010, 04:51 PM
Okay, my mistake - revert to my comment about replacing "you" with "the staff"

Either way, tells are private, and inspect window is a personal space. Bans? Really?

Raren
05-31-2010, 04:53 PM
lol

Rogean
05-31-2010, 04:54 PM
Look at what abacab did to me, and hes not banned right now.. if you guys really want to compare my disciplinary decisions. Abacab is pretty much the entire reason the FOH Thread went in the direction that it did. The same can happen to Olympia but hes going to have to get off his rage and make a petition and talk to me about it. The ban doesn't have to be permanent. I'm more than reasonable.

nilbog
05-31-2010, 04:55 PM
You guys do realize Rogean is the "Server Administrator", he makes the server hardware go vroom vroom, fights the ddos guy, assembles patches, and does C++ source work...and he does an excellent job at all of those.

He has the authority to make changes, absolutely, but if you want to disagree with rules, you should probably speak to me since I'm actually the owner (http://www.eqemulator.org/index.php?pageid=serverinfo&worldid=787) and project manager? I don't see my inbox blowing up, its all happening openly on the forums.

Don't blame Rogean for changes made.. because any high-profile developer change isn't made independently.

Senadin
05-31-2010, 04:55 PM
So WHY were the titles removed?

I mean if you are the first to accomplish something of great significance that should count?

Why remove them?

Bossco
05-31-2010, 04:59 PM
I did not realize nilbog was the owner. Man I'm getting corrected all over the place...

Still doesnt change the fact that he was talking in private tells, and in a fairly personal area, so... Bans? Really?

nilbog
05-31-2010, 05:00 PM
So WHY were the titles removed?

I mean if you are the first to accomplish something of great significance that should count?

Why remove them?

Because they weren't available in classic EQ.

We'll try and create events for titles, but not mass-disperse them. Individual titles will not just be handed out either. There are plenty in EQ lore, "of Qeynos", all the botb, test of tactics, royal rumble, etc.

If you can provide evidence that it existed in Live, we will try and create an event where it is obtainable. They were definitely not common.

I also posted some thoughts of the rest of the available botb titles in a thread somewhere.

Axion
05-31-2010, 05:04 PM
Suspending/Banning someone because they display distaste for a server decision is insane...you should see some of the inspect messages out there, though they are not directed at you Rogean or the rest of the staff they are truly offensive in many other ways. I wont name names but I have seen some nasty ones directs at whole populations and races of people...do something about those as well please...ban.

also....PHOTOSHOP anyone? I hope you realize how stupid easy it is to Photoshop an EQ conversation SS. Nothing posted has any validity unless its in the logs and can be confirmed. Or you can also simply log on another server, make a char with the same name and start having a conversation.

Either way, if Oly said that or not, posting it and reacting in that manner was out of line. Sure...he shouldn't be talking about anyone that way but the fact is its too easy to fake and was dealt with poorly by both sides.

-Axion

Atennu
05-31-2010, 05:05 PM
Why GIVE them in the first place Nilbog? I'm not calling anyone out, but the fact that Tralina's title is being WAY overlooked. If she can't have one no one can?

nilbog
05-31-2010, 05:06 PM
Still doesnt change the fact that he was talking in private tells, and in a fairly personal area, so... Bans? Really?

If someone wants to try and appeal a suspension or ban, they can do it the same way everyone else does. Post in the petition/exploit portion of the forums.

nilbog
05-31-2010, 05:07 PM
Why GIVE them in the first place Nilbog? I'm not calling anyone out, but the fact that Tralina's title is being WAY overlooked. If she can't have one no one can?

Lots of people had random titles. Now none of them do. It was easy to remove all of them, and it was done with good reason.

If you have to know the truth, I didn't give them out originally. I wasn't even online.