Nilbog i'm sorry

[spartus]

please bring back Global Auc/OOC !!!!

[km2783]

Well, it's better than I expected. I was expecting a "funny pic" or a long-winded post of drivel whining, bitching, pissing, and moaning for OOC/Auction to be brought back to server-wide.

[Omnimorph]

It's okay guys! Spartus has finally apologised so now we can stop the server wide punishment we had in place to teach him his lesson!

:D

[Bumamgar]

I haven't seen any negative impact on the server population stats. In fact, I believe the numbers just keep getting higher.

Removing serverwide ooc/auc certainly hasn't had the sort of negative impact on the active population that the doom-and-gloomers claimed it would :)

[Bumamgar]

Now if we could just get rid of the serverwide dueling messages!

[spartus]

Does'nt seem to be benefiting the community people are complaining of not being able to sell items ....it also has left the server disconnected from public opinion...please do not take this as a personal insult im just sharing what real in-game players have been speaking of .

[Loke]

Now if we could just get rid of the serverwide dueling messages!

This is now the topic of this rant... everyone please adjust your comments accordingly.

[guineapig]

This is now the topic of this rant... everyone please adjust your comments accordingly.

It is annoying and not classic. Let's get rid of it!

[Arkanjil]

Does'nt seem to be benefiting the community people are complaining of not being able to sell items ....it also has left the server disconnected from public opinion...please do not take this as a personal insult im just sharing what real in-game players have been speaking of .

Fail.

[Reiker]

Serverwide duel messages not classic, really?

[jilena]

I get more rez tells without serverwide OOC therefore it should be put back in.

Thanks.

[President]

Does'nt seem to be benefiting the community people are complaining of not being able to sell items ....it also has left the server disconnected from public opinion...please do not take this as a personal insult im just sharing what real in-game players have been speaking of .

This. Outside of 7PM EST and 12 Midnight EST the economy has wound down to a near halt.

[nilbog]

This. Outside of 7PM EST and 12 Midnight EST the economy has wound down to a near halt.

Well there were 60 people in EC past 12 Midnight EST, last night. There are currently 61 people in EC at 3pm EST.

The max players went up again.. to 741 concurrent players.

What exactly do you think should be happening? I'd say near halt is a far cry from the truth.

[Tudana]

Now if we could just get rid of the serverwide dueling messages!

"Tudana beats Bumamger in a duel, Bumamger flees like a scalded dog"

[Tudana]

Does'nt seem to be benefiting the community people are complaining of not being able to sell items ....it also has left the server disconnected from public opinion...please do not take this as a personal insult im just sharing what real in-game players have been speaking of .

you have screenies of these real in-game players opinions? wait..how can you hold a public opinion when the /ooc is not global. That would be called a room/zone opinion...just saying...

I think many are returning to p1999 now with global gone.

[spartus]

Was based on what ive been seeing in EC & Oasis last few days I guess ur off boxing in your own cornor of the world... Tud

[Tudana]

Was based on what ive been seeing in EC & Oasis last few days I guess ur off boxing in your own cornor of the world... Tud

huh?

[Tallenn]

I get more rez tells without serverwide OOC therefore it should be put back in.

Thanks.

You need a new hotkey:

/r fuck off

[jilena]

I think any negative effects of lack of global ooc will not really be seen for a few weeks. The novelty of the dead feeling zones and EC tunnel revisiting hasn't really worn off yet. Of course we may see no real long term effects. I'm sure a good number will quit, but the server isn't exactly sitting still in terms of new players so those will be replaced. *shrug*

[eqdruid76]

Well there were 60 people in EC past 12 Midnight EST, last night. There are currently 61 people in EC at 3pm EST.

The max players went up again.. to 741 concurrent players.

What exactly do you think should be happening? I'd say near halt is a far cry from the truth.

They're doing it wrong.

I'm having absolutely no problem selling my wares at any hour of the day. And President is simply taking a contary stance to server policy, which is what he does, time in and time out. You could reinstate serverwide chat today and he would suddenly be against it.

[Elendae]

It was always hard to sell at 3AM EST. I'd see maybe two or three people spamming the same items over a few hours. I feel for the off hour players, I often find myself playing at odd times so I've seen the server at many different times during the day. It honestly doesn't feel any less populated. I still find groups. I still talk to other people. The problem isn't the lack of global chat, the issue is strictly population and that's not something the devs can patch in. It'll come.

[spartus]

We seem to make our own rules on certain issues, and then we implement classic ideals on controversial ones. SOE made patches to deal with its community with issues that were at hand for them. We need to look back and fully define what "Classic" is and how it may effect us as a community. We have a good thing going here its a refuge for vet gamers. I'm not saying lets go outside the box, but possibly make sure that we don't destroy it ether.

[Aeolwind]

Serverwide duel messages not classic, really?

Those are hella classic. I remember Da'Kor doing stuff like "Dakor has defeated Yourguild in a duel to the death. Yourguild has fled like a cowardly dog."

[spartus]

I have full Faith in Nilbog and gang btw just speaking in regards to the topic at im going to play global ooc or not

[nilbog]

We seem to make our own rules on certain issues, and then we implement classic ideals on controversial ones. SOE made patches to deal with its community with issues that were at hand for them. We need to look back and fully define what "Classic" is and how it may effect us as a community. We have a good thing going here its a refuge for vet gamers. I'm not saying lets go outside the box, but possibly make sure that we don't destroy it ether.


Well since this thread title is addressed to me, from you, I assume you're still speaking to me.

This particular issue has to deal with global channels. This was an absolute everyday aspect of the game... from release till Luclin. If you think I implement anything without "looking back to fully define what classic is", then you fail to grasp the point that I probably spend more time thinking about it than you do.

[President]

Well there were 60 people in EC past 12 Midnight EST, last night. There are currently 61 people in EC at 3pm EST.

The max players went up again.. to 741 concurrent players.

What exactly do you think should be happening? I'd say near halt is a far cry from the truth.


And how many of those players are over level 15? How many of those players are actually selling items?

Last Sunday I was on at 1AM EST and there were 20 people over level 15. At 2AM EST there were 15 people over level 15. There were maybe 10 people during those times actually auctioning items.

[spartus]

I agree on it being classic Nil, if this was anything more than using a global channel i wouldn't even think twice to question it. EQ is for the strong, and I would hate to see any kind of Ez modes being used.

[nilbog]

And how many of those players are over level 15? How many of those players are actually selling items?

Last Sunday I was on at 1AM EST and there were 20 people over level 15. At 2AM EST there were 15 people over level 15. There were maybe 10 people during those times actually auctioning items.

What? Global ooc/auction was turned off Sunday, the 23rd, way after 1am est.

I posted the announcement thread at 1:14am cst, which is 2:14 am est. Rogean posted the patch notes at 6:27am cst, which is 7:27am est.

If you're saying there's not enough population in general, then I agree with you, but we are working on that. I do not see how it is relevant if 20 people are trying to sell to 20 people, or 100 to 100, though.

[spartus]

LMAO.....In the words of Tallenn

"/r fuk off" > President

[Bumamgar]

And how many of those players are over level 15? How many of those players are actually selling items?

Last Sunday I was on at 1AM EST and there were 20 people over level 15. At 2AM EST there were 15 people over level 15. There were maybe 10 people during those times actually auctioning items.

Also, you are intentionally biasing your own statistics by placing an arbitrary 'level 15' cap on what constitutes a 'valid trader'.

A fact I am sure you probably know, but are intentionally 'forgetting' because it doesn't suit the point you are desperately trying to make, is that many people use the concept of a 'vendor mule' to do their trading. By definition, these vendor mules will be below level 15. It's very very common because no one wants to waste an hour traveling from their 'hot exp zone' to spend some time trading in EC before logging off. No, they'll camp out their main near where they XP, log over to their vendor mule, and do their trading without having to spend time in travel.

[Aeolwind]

Phase 1 of plan complete!

Implementing phase 2: Clogging the "wall" along the way from WFP to the tunnel and from EFP to the tunnel with mobs. I think Griffons will work, mayhaps Amygdalan knights!

(This was written strictly for my own humor. While I enjoy trying to make your in game lives hell, Nilbog would never let me get away with it.)

[eqdruid76]

The bottom line is that all the naysayers, whatever arguement they present here, are simply sulking that they can no longer sell their wares in less than 10 minutes. Bew. Hew. God forbid they engage in any sort of "face to face socialization" beyond arguing about camps and spawns...

[Brut]

Implementing phase 2: Clogging the "wall" along the way from WFP to the tunnel and from EFP to the tunnel with mobs. I think Griffons will work, mayhaps Amygdalan knights!
I approve and my opinion is very unbiased.

[Aeolwind]

I approve and my opinion is very unbiased.

Did I mention they were invisible, death touched & didn't drop loot?

[jilena]

Yeah I pretty much have to agree that I am all for invis DTing mobs all over EC.

[President]

What? Global ooc/auction was turned off Sunday, the 23rd, way after 1am est.

I posted the announcement thread at 1:14am cst, which is 2:14 am est. Rogean posted the patch notes at 6:27am cst, which is 7:27am est.

If you're saying there's not enough population in general, then I agree with you, but we are working on that. I do not see how it is relevant if 20 people are trying to sell to 20 people, or 100 to 100, though.

Even the post on your front page shows that global chat was off by Sunday night, the 23rd.. I am quite sure when I was in EC Sunday night @ 11PM MST that global chat was disabled... However, I was pretty fucking tired, I could be thinking of Monday night..


Also, you are intentionally biasing your own statistics by placing an arbitrary 'level 15' cap on what constitutes a 'valid trader'.

A fact I am sure you probably know, but are intentionally 'forgetting' because it doesn't suit the point you are desperately trying to make, is that many people use the concept of a 'vendor mule' to do their trading. By definition, these vendor mules will be below level 15. It's very very common because no one wants to waste an hour traveling from their 'hot exp zone' to spend some time trading in EC before logging off. No, they'll camp out their main near where they XP, log over to their vendor mule, and do their trading without having to spend time in travel.


NO WAY I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF A VENDOR MULE BEFORE!!!! I didn't include that because you can pretty much substitute vendor mules for the over level 15 people who are sitting there just to be social.

The bottom line is that all the naysayers, whatever arguement they present here, are simply sulking that they can no longer sell their wares in less than 10 minutes. Bew. Hew. God forbid they engage in any sort of "face to face socialization" beyond arguing about camps and spawns...

That is complete horseshit. I hardly EVER saw someone sell something in under 10 minutes, and I spent weeks trying to find items without luck. Specifically I spent 3ish weeks trying to get a set of diamondine earrings (granted, I play 10-20 hrs a week) until finally a guildie just gave me one. Two weeks ago when global ooc/auc was in place I was auctioning for lambent gear for 4-5 days(while playing much more than average) and only found a helm until a guildie decided he didn't mind unloading a full set on me.

[President]

Also - Along with looking for lambent gear I was looking for Obsidian shards. One of which I ended up just camping for myself, the other of which I found a week after the 4-5 days I played a lot.

[jilena]

I think you were saying 1am Monday morning as 1am Sunday night whereas 1am is technically Sunday morning and before this all happened.

[President]

I think you were saying 1am Monday morning as 1am Sunday night whereas 1am is technically Sunday morning and before this all happened.

That is where the confusion lies, I should have said Sunday night. Even though it was Sunday for me (on MST) I often give EST times as its less confusing to most.

[Shannacore]

That is where the confusion lies, I should have said Sunday night. Even though it was Sunday for me (on MST) I often give EST times as its less confusing to most.

MST FTW

[Mleh]

I personally put my lvl1 in EC to trade, as well as many people such as "sales" etc. Such a waste to have to drag your main there to sell.

[L2Phantom]

Does'nt seem to be benefiting the community people are complaining of not being able to sell items ....it also has left the server disconnected from public opinion...please do not take this as a personal insult im just sharing what real in-game players have been speaking of .

Right. I'm sure you speak for EVERYONE in game. Right.

The server is WAY better off this way and would have been heading this direction anyways, its emulating classic features, not emu features.

[President]

The server is WAY better off this way and would have been heading this direction anyways, its emulating classic features, not emu features.

Right. I am sure you speak for EVERYONE in game. Right.

[Ihealyou]

I speak for EVERYONE in game. They say hi.

[L2Phantom]

Right. I am sure you speak for EVERYONE in game. Right.

Nilbog stated this was true. Not sure where you're going with this one.

[President]

Nilbog stated this was true. Not sure where you're going with this one.

*Sigh*

[Mmohunter]

I will be the first to admit, gaming in EQ has become a little more 'inconvenient' than before due to recent changes. But this project was brought under way to recreate the 1999 atmosphere and gameplay that was present during it's release. The team has done a pretty solid job of delivering that to us.

[JayDee]

Nilbog stated this was true. Not sure where you're going with this one.

lolololol

[spartus]

L2Phantom & President do you two know each other in real life? You seem to have the same level of GAY

[L2Phantom]

President is my 2 box account.

[President]

L2Phantom & President do you two know each other in real life? You seem to have the same level of GAY

http://home.planetcomm.net/ltaylor/pics/gaymeter.jpg

[L2Phantom]

Don't deny our forum gayness.

[Rowl]

hihi 700+ ppl on rite now

[Agaron]

hihi 700+ ppl on rite now

-1. I quit. :D

[Flicka]

I speak for EVERYONE in game. They say hi.:D

The only thing different is you have to be in the zone to see what is for sale. If you're looking to buy something YOU HAD TO RUN TO FREEPORT ANYHOW because that's where the folks were who were selling it, and the bank!

And we've got a EC tunnel forum, anyone who is looking for something for "week" is doin it rong. You're either a) not offering enough $ or b) not on for whatever reason when the folks who do have it are online. Use the forum.

But more importantly, the Amygdalan knights? Oh hell yes! :D

And the ID Case from case mates in the google ad rocks socks. I love it. That is all.

[eqdruid76]

Also - Along with looking for lambent gear I was looking for Obsidian shards. One of which I ended up just camping for myself, the other of which I found a week after the 4-5 days I played a lot.

Might help if you weren't such a jerk to everyone on the server. A lot of people who have what you want to buy/sell never even know about it, because you're on their ignore lists...

[Xantarr]

There are 2 problems with the economy as a result of this change...

#1, yes, there are maybe 60 or so people in EC at a time...that's less than 10% of the potential buyers/sellers we used to have (at 600 to 700 population). That's not to say that the economy is 10% its former self, but it's considerably worse for the wear.

#2, and this is most important, is that the opportunity cost of buying/selling items now has increased so much that I find myself vendoring items worth hundreds of plat, that otherwise could have gone to new players, etc. The fact is, with the time I spend trying to sell, say, a 200pp item in EC, I could've made 900pp. So in effect I'm losing 700 platinum by attempting to sell the item. That's the main killer, here.

I appreciate the classic aspect and all - just throwing this out there for argument's sake :]

[L2Phantom]

#2, and this is most important, is that the opportunity cost of buying/selling items now has increased so much that I find myself vendoring items worth hundreds of plat, that otherwise could have gone to new players, etc. The fact is, with the time I spend trying to sell, say, a 200pp item in EC, I could've made 900pp. So in effect I'm losing 700 platinum by attempting to sell the item. That's the main killer, here.


The market is fixing itself then, you will see prices adjust to reflect this as time goes on. The ease of buying and selling with global ooc was far too convenient.

[Xantarr]

The market is fixing itself then, you will see prices adjust to reflect this as time goes on.

Ya that might be true, except for the fact that there's also a high opportunity cost of BUYING the items. In taking an hour or two to buy the item I need, I could've made maybe 200-500pp killing giants (as an example), so the price should be LOWERED by 200-500pp than it otherwise was.

However, in the hour or two it takes to sell that 200pp item (as I said before) I could have made 200-500pp killing giants, so that the price should be RAISED 200-500pp from what it was, with the combined result being that so many people simply don't waste time by going to buy/sell in an otherwise non-productive zone.

One of the assumptions of a "market" is a relatively free flow of information which, as it stands, is VERY poor - it's very hard to connect to a buyer in SolB when one is in EC, or to a seller in South Karana when one is in lguk, since now the only way to do so is to send a direct tell to everyone there who isn't anonymous.

This all somewhat applies to finding groups/groupmates as well, except that /lfg mitigates that somewhat.

Again, this is just for the sake of discussion and to explicate what's going on - it IS more classic, to be sure, so that's a value judgment, there.

The argument cannot be made, however, that this is not crippling to the economy, and as you put it:

The ease of buying and selling with global ooc was far too convenient.

This is true, in relation to Classic (sort of, considering they also had a higher population), but is otherwise pure opinion. At least we agree it makes buying/selling much more difficult.

[rioisk]

Even the post on your front page shows that global chat was off by Sunday night, the 23rd.. I am quite sure when I was in EC Sunday night @ 11PM MST that global chat was disabled... However, I was pretty fucking tired, I could be thinking of Monday night..





NO WAY I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF A VENDOR MULE BEFORE!!!! I didn't include that because you can pretty much substitute vendor mules for the over level 15 people who are sitting there just to be social.



That is complete horseshit. I hardly EVER saw someone sell something in under 10 minutes, and I spent weeks trying to find items without luck. Specifically I spent 3ish weeks trying to get a set of diamondine earrings (granted, I play 10-20 hrs a week) until finally a guildie just gave me one. Two weeks ago when global ooc/auc was in place I was auctioning for lambent gear for 4-5 days(while playing much more than average) and only found a helm until a guildie decided he didn't mind unloading a full set on me.


I spent 2-3 days on my main farming the items for lambent gear because I went 2-3 weeks with nobody selling it. May be you should actually do some questing instead of waiting around for somebody else to sell it to you.

[President]

Might help if you weren't such a jerk to everyone on the server. A lot of people who have what you want to buy/sell never even know about it, because you're on their ignore lists...

Thats especially hilarious coming from someone who posts retarded shit constantly while hiding behind an anonymous name.

[President]

I spent 2-3 days on my main farming the items for lambent gear because I went 2-3 weeks with nobody selling it. May be you should actually do some questing instead of waiting around for somebody else to sell it to you.

I prefer to level and wait considering I was only level 15.. Though, I did start questing pieces about 2 hours before someone offered a full set.

[Istinkeraflort]

Did you seriously waste 2-3 weeks of your life farming lambent gear? I would have uninstalled everquest 50 times by then.

Christ, no wonder we got the EC tunnel back.

People are going nuts.

[pickled_heretic]

The wealth of a community is determined by the rate of commerce, or the speed and size at which transactions are made. You're going to see that people who are starting now are going to be much poorer on average than the people who had access to global ooc because the rate of commerce has slowed by magnitudes when compared to its rate before the free flow of information was cut off.

[Agaron]

Not trying to be a dick, but if anyone hasn't noticed the mass abundance of WTB/WTS posts in the east commonlands tunnel forum since the removal, then maybe you should go take a looksy. It's like sifting through the bazaar. Stuff is probably bought/sold by the time you read the post, yet alone being online at the sametime. How efficient is that? Obviously if people have to post on here, then they're struggling in game. I've been lowballed on so many items lately, because of the lack of buyers, and been offered inflated prices on trade skill goods. How fun is it to do smithing requests from EC? Have to run all the way to FP just to do an order. Going to guess this change is going to really goof P99 economy.

[jilena]

*shrug* in the end it's just returning a huge percentage of the tedium that was apparently an important part of classic to some. The idea that it somehow makes the game more challenging is ridiculous. Unless you consider trying to stay logged in through massive amounts of boredom "challenging". I don't think it will severely impact that economy in the long term. So what if the value of items goes down, the amount of money people make will continue to decline as well. So in the end it will all even out.

Personally I am more annoyed by the fact that I don't have access to entertaining global chat when I am bored out of my gd mind farming something... OH WELL!

[Elendae]

There's alot more to this game than grinding out levels/gear/plat. That was always the charm of Everquest to me, and really, that was about the only thing missing before this last change. Oh and boats. But they're working on that too.

[Uaellaen]

Thats especially hilarious coming from someone who posts retarded shit constantly while hiding behind an anonymous name.

Thats his point, no one knows who he is in game so we can not put him on ignore!

[eqdruid76]

Thats especially hilarious coming from someone who posts retarded shit constantly while hiding behind an anonymous name.

At least I don't do it publicly ingame, like you.

[astarothel]

Did you seriously waste 2-3 weeks of your life farming lambent gear?

No. You fail at literacy. Try again.