Nirgon you are an idiot

[Xanthias]

Just because you remember something a certain way doesn't make it gospel.

Show fucking proof before posting a bunch of "alleged bugs" because you don't like it.
And when proof is shown you are WRONG don't just say oh they are incorrect, because the almighty Nirgon knows all.

Better yet go back to PVP and camp someones corpse.

[AenarieFenninRo]

In before Nirgon tells Xanthias that he's incorrect because Nirgon knows all and doesn't agree.

[bamzal]

Sounds like White Knight Nirgon is trying to save this server from corruption, yet you pathetic bluebies rely on your exploits to get anything done. Pathetic fucking losers.

[quido]

He's the party pooper.

[Ele]

I thought it was something in the church or in a seemingly generic corner of the zone. Like a spinning black crystal inside of something..?

I'll hafta ask the old guard. This is a stumper, vague memory : /.

[AenarieFenninRo]

From: http://www.therunes.net/g-charm.htm
Many Enchanters wonder about the why the fixed duration Dictate spell was even added. While the situations for its use are very limited, there are a few places this spell can be useful. The most noteworthy is Kael. The high level giants (55+) there are immune to all forms of Mez, but are still flagged as charmable. Dictate can be used in this situation as a 48 second crowd control spell. However, this spell outlived its usefulness back during Scars of Velious, and with the addition of the newer high level charms it has gone the way of the Dodo bird. Though, “Frozen Moses” and Sirran the Lunatic owned many a mob for the resourceful and daring back in the days of Velious. Ahhhh the memories of solo farming Shields' of the Void! But I digress, back to the guide. /wave Salidor

That poster from the runes is mistaken and "heard of it maybe". This was incorrectly resolved. I have raid guides that mention what is charmed as a strategy as well as the everlore data and more.

seems like an idiot to me, assuming that someone else's post was wrong because it didnt agree with their original thread... not sure what is so "white knight" about that

[Lazortag]

Nirgon is insufferable.

[kenzar]

Wtf is the point of this thread? U are mad because you couldnt relay a concept to someone in a bug forum, so you make a thread in a flame forum about it...this is fucking dumb.

[Ele]

Wtf is the point of this thread? U are mad because you couldnt relay a concept to someone in a bug forum, so you make a thread in a flame forum about it...this is fucking dumb.

I believe the point is Nirgon has flooded the bug report section of this forum with his personal recollections and anecdotes without providing any relevant time line specific support and evidence and instead wants to draw out people to do the research for him, just so he can say it doesn't match his recollection and call it a day.

[kenzar]

So why feed him with emotional reaction like this thread? You are handing him exactly what he wants, do what 95% of the server already does and just ignore it.

[Barkingturtle]

Thread is fucking dumb.

Never had a shot, really, because that Nirgon dude is one the most boring motherfuckers ever to sperg out on EQ. While I suspect most of you are very fat humans, I really have zero doubt about him.

[Ele]

Thread is fucking dumb.

Never had a shot, really, because that Nirgon dude is one the most boring motherfuckers ever to sperg out on EQ. While I suspect most of you are very fat humans, I really have zero doubt about him.

http://i.imgur.com/MMU6X.jpg

[Messianic]

I hate you all so much

[Ephirith]

Putting my coin in the hate machine

[Xanthias]

The FoH link is also based on someone's memory.

If Sirran was charmable ever, at all, it was fixed very quickly.

Sirran and Keymaster should both DT. I'll work on some screenies.

Yet your memory is perfect??

And as far as screen shots go, I could give you a screen shot showing my ranger wielding the warrior epics, it must be true then!

[Jjlent]

i'm just amazed how someone who made his account a little over a year ago has over 5000 posts on these forums, not counting RnF posts.

[Daldolma]

i'm just amazed how someone who made his account a little over a year ago has over 5000 posts on these forums, not counting RnF posts.

Morbid obesity is funny that way.

[Heavydrop]

The more I read of these posts about bugs/exploits the more I'm reminded of this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H7xlkKEJak

[Happyfeet]

I got a warning for saying that we used a necro heal rotation instead of a cleric CH rot with a picture of a Red Herring on one of his threads. Nirgon is a fucking tool, I'll troll all I want on RnF!

Dear Happyfeet,

You have received a warning at Project 1999.

Reason:
-------
Insults / Inappropriate Language Outside RNF

Stop trolling outside RnF.

[Happyfeet]

P.S. He knows all his shit because
he was in 13 guilds in 22 months. (http://ralloszek.stephans.org/rz/playerhistory.php?player_name=Nirgon)

[Heavydrop]

P.S. He knows all his shit because
he was in 13 guilds in 22 months. (http://ralloszek.stephans.org/rz/playerhistory.php?player_name=Nirgon)

Oh wow, thanks for this link.
I didn't know this existed.
I punched my own toon in (Scyros) and what a flashback
http://ralloszek.stephans.org/rz/playerhistory.php?player_name=Scyros

[Raavak]

We know the game is unbalanced. But that's classic. Its also not new news.

[Nirgon]

I was told there is no evidence for the mage swords report when I posted patch notes like 3 times.

I also posted patch notes on the invulnerable guards.

What I'm being asked to do is post patch notes for something that wasn't broken in classic as far as the necro heal. Which is pretty laughable!

Sergeant Slate.. oh poor Sergeant slate... why has no one spoken up for the militia's fallen champion on P99?

I'm also trying to get them to create a secondary Spirit Tap unique to the hoop to help out SKs and Necros on raiding.

It's a shame you'd go to such great lengths to run off someone who can only help your server become more of a classic experience.

I took tons of flak from the VZTZ crowd and bluebie crowd alike on the topic of item loot. Luckily, Nilbog and I see eye to eye on most things.

My attacks on corruption have thus far been proven to be 100% correct and I do humbly admit when I am wrong when proven to be so. For instance! I used the word "effect" incorrectly as pointed out by Zarah who basically trolled my bug report.. and admitted I was wrong.

There are points that I am not wrong on or if my memory is vague I will say so and then try to research and contribute.

If anything else? I've made some threads to get you guys all wild and excited over. There seems to be some serious forum boredom around here, but I guess you can't appreciate that either.

Have fun single pulling the fungi king and VP dragons... for now.

[Nirgon]

P.S. He knows all his shit because
he was in 13 guilds in 22 months. (http://ralloszek.stephans.org/rz/playerhistory.php?player_name=Nirgon)

The lead raiding sect, Sabbat, on Rallos Zek reformed into different guilds and then sprang off into a pretty major war.

Not to mention, my main guild, The Peacebreakers was originally known as Peace of Formosa and consisted of members from yet another guild Gan'Hosi.

Anyone else from RZ should be able to confirm that the guild commonly known as "The Peacebreakers" formed and reformed.

No surprise this was brought up like so many attempts by the clueless here to twist whatever they can get their hands on to desperately affirm what they THINK they know.

You're welcome for the Rallos Zek history lesson btw, let me know any time you'd like to know more.

[Raavak]

I've made some threads to get you guys all wild and excited over. There seems to be some serious forum boredom around here, but I guess you can't appreciate that either.
Not enough inter-guild drama these days tbh.

[Ilakje]

Continued from bugs forum:

Nirgon, you dummy. You can't even read good.

[Nirgon]

Here's a thread I haven't made yet because I'm sure it will cause the utmost insanity, but how do you guys feel about people being able to turn in epics at lvl 1? You shouldn't be able to do this until 45 for most pieces and lvl 50 even for others. Yes, I'm aware you need to be 46 to entire hate and fear... and while that magic number may come to mind to rebut my claim ... I very clearly remember some lvl 30 or so wizard on live asking me why he could not hand the note in in Erudin for the wizard epic and I told him he had to be at least 45. He then msg'd me at 45 or 46 and told me I was right, his name escapes me.

I also have bugs to report and investigate by testing here such as nullify magic should not always remove 2 buffs. I recall this being the case dispelling myself and others on red. That is the job of Annul Magic in Kunark which was specifically designed to always remove 2 effects in every case/cast. Nullify and cancel should work much like the disease/poison cure line counterparts with spell effects carrying a set of counters. Here's my grey area though. I seem to recall that no matter how many times I tried to cast cancel magic, I could not remove shield of the magi on live.

Personal notes:

Frankly? I posted some of them because I knew the bug should not exist and I don't think its against the rules to create discussion on a bug you've noticed. I've posted a number of bugs that are now fixed here and even contributed to shaman dots stacking which I believe is now patched into the game. You should have seen the responses on that as well as being able to hand shaman pets mage swords/fine steel daggers and shit. I have a very strong memory on most things and am happy to contribute. Why wouldn't you want these contributions to the project?

As far as my pomp and zeal in posting in these threads, find the man who can strictly recall exactly where the missing plane of hate zone out to Nektulos should be up there. I will gladly bow to that wisdom. I believe it dumped you out at the end of the road in Nektulos that forked off. If you want conveniences like these in exchange for game breaking bugs that trivialize content, you may want to be a little more pleasant and agreeable to people who did play this game religiously from day 1 until release. Though my character timeline in my sig goes back to 2000, I played a mage named Manlar on the Tunare server. I lost his corpse in lava storm being the newb I was (my first char) and decided I liked what I saw from the wizard and rolled on the Rallos Zek server because I wanted to attack the players I saw running around.

Calling me an idiot or making stupid unrelated comments in the bug section got me 2 days in the tank from Nilbog. Sorry you were subjected to the same. My personal view is that heated discussions will arise in the bugs section over controversial topics. I'll be doing my best to keep it civil there, but people including myself will likely get fired up discussing the topics.

As for my weight? I clock in at a paltry 165-170, a computer nerd by trade yes, but with a high metabolism and strict discipline when it comes to regular fatty food/chocolate/alcohol consumption. I'll leave my weight management tips out of this thread though.

[Ele]

Nirgon, the issue people are taking with your bug reports is the fact that they are not bug reports, but personal statements by you regarding changes you think the server should implement. A statement, without positive evidence, is just that a statement. Anyone can make one and make it say anything they want.

The bug report system and the developers require evidence to justify a change. I could just as easily make an opposing bug report and say "Sirran is charmable" and cite the same guides you did and declare "none of the guides say Sirran is uncharmable, so he must be charmable". That statement however is a logical fallacy, not unlike the statements you have made, wherein the guides say other stuff is charmable, therefore Sirran is uncharmable, even though none of the guides positively stated Sirran was uncharmable.

The bug report system does not operate in that manner.

If you were to bring evidence earlier in your posts that positively identifies the issue you seek to have changed/fixed, then people would be more receptive of the reports you have made/will make.

I'm all for correcting the server where it needs to be corrected, but the developers have set forth a process and it should be followed to prevent errant changes from being made.

[Autotune]

Nirgon, the issue people are taking with your bug reports is the fact that they are not bug reports, but personal statements by you regarding changes you think the server should implement. A statement, without positive evidence, is just that a statement. Anyone can make one and make it say anything they want.

The bug report system and the developers require evidence to justify a change. I could just as easily make an opposing bug report and say "Sirran is charmable" and cite the same guides you did and declare "none of the guides say Sirran is uncharmable, so he must be charmable". That statement however is a logical fallacy, not unlike the statements you have made, wherein the guides say other stuff is charmable, therefore Sirran is uncharmable, even though none of the guides positively stated Sirran was uncharmable.

The bug report system does not operate in that manner.

If you were to bring evidence earlier in your posts that positively identifies the issue you seek to have changed/fixed, then people would be more receptive of the reports you have made/will make.

I'm all for correcting the server where it needs to be corrected, but the developers have set forth a process and it should be followed to prevent errant changes from being made.

Let's all just start posting random bug reports like Nirgon and see how many we can get to go through.

[Alarti0001]

The bug report system and the developers require evidence to justify a change. I could just as easily make an opposing bug report and say "Sirran is charmable" and cite the same guides you did and declare "none of the guides say Sirran is uncharmable, so he must be charmable". That statement however is a logical fallacy, not unlike the statements you have made, wherein the guides say other stuff is charmable, therefore Sirran is uncharmable, even though none of the guides positively stated Sirran was uncharmable.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_attribution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

[Daldolma]

Sweet obese Jesus.

[Nirgon]

So the guard change and the mage sword change are just completely made up despite me posting the patch notes.

So is the Sirran death touching despite posting a raid guide confirming it as well as the Everlore post.

I don't understand your train of logic.

[Ele]

So the guard change and the mage sword change are just completely made up despite me posting the patch notes.

So is the Sirran death touching despite posting a raid guide confirming it as well as the Everlore post.

I don't understand your train of logic.

Did I say any of those posts where you actually posted positive evidence were improper? No.

Please try again.

[bamzal]

ya people cant handle classic EQ and they see what nirgon trying to do and shit themselves

[Xanthias]

Figured I'd share what Nirgon PM'd me, since he didn't wanna be "shown" in a bad light.

J

Show fucking proof before posting a bunch of "alleged bugs" because you don't like it.

I posted proof in the other threads with patch notes.

Since you're such a fucking rocket scientist, please tell us where the plane of hate zone out was?

Also:

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/25493048.jpg

And to answer your question regarding PoH Zone out. We never used it, got my epic drop off inny on live and maybe raided there a couple more times tops.

So can't answer that one.

And your proof is suspect because I'm going to use your arguement, they remember it wrong and that information is suspect because it isn't how I remember things.

After all if your memory is perfect, mine must be as well.

[Nirgon]

Did I say any of those posts where you actually posted positive evidence were improper? No.

Please try again.

No you guys have tried to lump all of my posts together in an effort to dismiss them.

Apparently I know what I'm talking about here.

I'm quick to point fingers based on my experience in this community when I see people trying to pretend they know something to keep content trivial (cough Naggy pulled out of lair).

People were SURE that was possible, linked something from Fippy Darkpaw and acted much like they are here.... never mind the fact that these same players were told not to do so on blue and came and did it on red. That was completely non classic and vigorously defended for the same reasons I detect here.

[Nirgon]

I PM'd you because I got this impression, call me crazy, that you were making a personal attack on me.

Ever heard of take it to tells?

[Ele]

No you guys have tried to lump all of my posts together in an effort to dismiss them.

Apparently I know what I'm talking about here.

I'm quick to point fingers based on my experience in this community when I see people trying to pretend they know something to keep content trivial (cough Naggy pulled out of lair).

People were SURE that was possible, linked something from Fippy Darkpaw and acted much like they are here.... never mind the fact that these same players were told not to do so on blue and came and did it on red. That was completely non classic and vigorously defended for the same reasons I detect here.

Please do not attribute other people's posts to me, they are not mine and I have not adopted what they said, unless I state as such. If you take issue with the way other people have addressed your "bug reports" then respond to them, but do not attribute it to me when I specifically point out the flaws in your reports.

[Diggles]

mad

[Alarti0001]

Please do not attribute other people's posts to me, they are not mine and I have not adopted what they said, unless I state as such. If you take issue with the way other people have addressed your "bug reports" then respond to them, but do not attribute it to me when I specifically point out the flaws in your reports.

i think he is trying to lump everyones posts into yours !

[Messianic]

Hey guys =

[Nirgon]

I believe the point is Nirgon has flooded the bug report section of this forum with his personal recollections and anecdotes without providing any relevant time line specific support and evidence and instead wants to draw out people to do the research for him, just so he can say it doesn't match his recollection and call it a day.

You are certainly trying to lump everything I reported into "Nirgon remembers with no evidence" where each of them has evidence aside from the necro heal issue I am debating and working on.

[Ele]

You are certainly trying to lump everything I reported into "Nirgon remembers with no evidence" where each of them has evidence aside from the necro heal issue I am debating and working on.

Don't take it personally, but I was summarizing for Kenzar the observations I made from other poster's complaints about your bug report threads, since he specifically asked what the point of this particular thread was. I wouldn't have made this thread, but instead chosen to respond to the individual bug reports in the proper subforum. I've personally responded to you individually regarding various bug report threads including particular issues where you did not present evidence or used faulty logic in an attempt to argue that certain issues should be changed.

[Lazortag]

You are certainly trying to lump everything I reported into "Nirgon remembers with no evidence" where each of them has evidence aside from the necro heal issue I am debating and working on.

If your evidence is convoluted and takes paragraphs to explain but one line to refute, it's probably bad evidence. A great example is your screenshot of a level 42 druid resisting one single spell on sergeant slate, which you felt was incontrovertible proof that sergeant slate is 100% MR and has 320k hp, and an aggro radius spanning all of norrath.

I'm loath to attack anyone in RnF but you act like you're the only person here who played in classic, and whenever you're questioned on your recollections you say that we're just trying to trivialize content, as if it's impossible that we actually disagree with you. Also as an aside, I really hope you don't believe that I would try to trivialize content, I always report exploits when I see them, difference is I usually have evidence!

[Messianic]

sergeant slate is 100% MR and has 320k hp, and an aggro radius spanning all of norrath.

Don't forget the fireballs from his eyes and bolts of lightning from his arse

[bizzum]

you act like you're the only person here who played in classic

[Nirgon]

Sometimes with the comments I receive I certainly feel like I was.

Other times, you'll find I am agreeable.

For instance, I have a very strong dislike for Nizzar. However, I posted supporting the change to put a regen effect on the fungi robe.

I'm not biased unlike this forum gang that seems to go around here, namely, from a certain guild.

[Xanthias]

I PM'd you because I got this impression, call me crazy, that you were making a personal attack on me.

Ever heard of take it to tells?

Yeah cept you are obviously the only person to ever play everquest before P99 and I figured what's the point, when I can just as easily show how big of an idiot you are publicly.

[Xanthias]

I'm not biased unlike this forum gang that seems to go around here, namely, from a certain guild.

Oh oh he's got us...

Oh wait... I see TMO, BDA, Divinty, plus a couple I don't know which guild they are in.

Never mind obviously I can't read and remember it wrong, oh sage of all things Classic

[Nirgon]

Such resistance despite patch notes to back up the mage swords change.

Should we remove 2 handed bash from the SK epic? What I'm saying is you guys think we should. Look at that thread's patch notes.

Wutdo time for the haters.

Keep the mage sword procs and remove SK epic 2h bash? Hm.

[Zereh]

Trying to fluff up the EQ Classic resume? Why not try the direct approach with those you're trying to impress instead of being a sanctimonious twit here.

[Xanthias]

Trying to fluff up the EQ Classic resume? Why not try the direct approach with those you're trying to impress instead of being a sanctimonious twit here.

Because Zereh that's all he is.

All his evidence has either never been shown or has been shown to be from wrong time periods or completely wrong.
Of course the stuff that shows he's wrong is:

That poster from the runes is mistaken and "heard of it maybe".

I have raid guides that mention what is charmed as a strategy as well as the everlore data and more.

[Nirgon]

Someone is super butt hurt about the mage sword change and SK 2 handed bash being in the same patch note. Must be frustrating to be wrong.

[Nirgon]

(Let's pick and choose cuz one makes the game easier)

[Xanthias]

Nirgon sadly most of your posts and arguements are as understandable as this

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[Xanthias]

bloody hell broken embedding

Nirgon's arguements (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrbumvF-Oe4)

[Nirgon]

Nice job posting the link, Albert Fucking Einstein.

Go make the bug report to remove SK 2 handed bash since you're so right about everything.

:rolleyes:

I think posting that patch note and it containing the SK 2 handed bash change is equivalent to me kicking my sandal into your chest and yelling "THIS! IS! EVERQUEST!".

[Nirgon]

(2 handed bash using the epic, because I am sure this will be intentionally misconstrued and used as a counter argument)

[Diggles]

http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/233/2/9/i_didn__t_ask_for_this_spray_by_doublestep-d5bypsr.jpg

[Nirgon]

arguements

http://i48.tinypic.com/i1xkwm.jpg

Go make the bug report to remove 2 handed bash with the SK epic, seriously. Then I might have some respect for you... I mean you'd be wrong but at least you'd be consistent on some level. Sort of.

[Xanthias]

http://i48.tinypic.com/i1xkwm.jpg

Go make the bug report to remove 2 handed bash with the SK epic, seriously. Then I might have some respect for you... I mean you'd be wrong but at least you'd be consistent on some level. Sort of.

I don't post bugs about things I know nothing about, unlike you.

[Nirgon]

http://zipmeme.com/uploads/generated/g1345876134148140118.jpg

[Greegon]

i'm just amazed how someone who made his account a little over a year ago has over 5000 posts on these forums, not counting RnF posts.

jjlent speaks bow down!!

[Diggles]

pvp rnf counts towards post count

[Nirgon]

More things they don't know but post anyways.

[Autotune]

More things they don't know but post anyways.

The Xanthias quote in your sig actually makes sense. Funny you'd put it in your sig lol.

Nirgon sadly most of your posts and arguements are as understandable as this

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NOT VERY UNDERSTANDABLE BRO!

[Happyfeet]

YOU THINK THIS IS A MUTHA FUCKIN GAME? (http://i.imgur.com/FZs2W.gif)

[Happyfeet]

YOU THINK THIS IS A MUTHA FUCKIN GAME? (http://i.imgur.com/FZs2W.gif)

source: source (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wavh47RpLz4)

[Daldolma]

mad cuz fat

[Nirgon]

jjlent speaks bow down!!

Yeah that hurts coming from a group of neckbeards that kill mobs between 3am and 3pm and watch them for days until they spawn. Guess it would kill you to just share a little rather than bank, RMT or whatever you do with all that droppable loot and epic quest items that I guess you call "MQables". I guess something has to pay the McDonalds' bills.

God forbid you do something like share to promote a fun, friendly community.

[Autotune]

Yeah that hurts coming from a group of neckbeards that kill mobs between 3am and 3pm and watch them for days until they spawn. Guess it would kill you to just share a little rather than bank, RMT or whatever you do with all that droppable loot and epic quest items that I guess you call "MQables". I guess something has to pay the McDonalds' bills.

God forbid you do something like share to promote a fun, friendly community.

Oh, good god. Nigron has become a sharebear

[Happyfeet]

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?p=617726&highlight=neck+beard#post617726
http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?p=676629&highlight=neck+beard#post676629

[Happyfeet]

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=675817&postcount=18

[Nirgon]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/25577298.jpg

[Alarti0001]

Yeah that hurts coming from a group of neckbeards that kill mobs between 3am and 3pm and watch them for days until they spawn. Guess it would kill you to just share a little rather than bank, RMT or whatever you do with all that droppable loot and epic quest items that I guess you call "MQables". I guess something has to pay the McDonalds' bills.

God forbid you do something like share to promote a fun, friendly community.

ya you are waaay cooler spawn camping the bug report forums

[Xanthias]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/25577298.jpg

and when he says they are working as intended, will you still scream and cry that only you are correct?

[Nirgon]

I don't see how you are arguing about Kunark patch notes dude.

Mage swords and SK 2 handed bash are same patch. Mage swords out, SK bash in. End of story!

[Nirgon]

This isn't classic as Recourses did not even exist until the Luclin era.

There was no way to dispel the recourse back then because it wouldn't even show up in the buff bar.

Someone who agrees with necro changes and how I remember things during classic too.

He doesn't strike me as an idiot. /shrug

[Nirgon]

Looks like I found evidence on pretty much everything posted now.

: /

Don't you feel silly for making this thread.

I anxiously await to hear what happens with Sirran the Lunatic.

[Loli Pops]

http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg342/JimmyTheGem88/umad37ju8kd.gif

triple post mad

[Nirgon]

Look its the guy who couldn't get past level 20 wiping dying over and over again at the butcher block chess board on his troll sk.

He also pretended to be a girl on one of his accounts, that account was also banned. How humiliating to be caught doing such a thing :(.

RIP Kimm Barely

[Xanthias]

Don't you feel silly for making this thread.

I anxiously await to hear what happens with Sirran the Lunatic.

No you are still an idiot.

[bizzum]

I've always wanted to do this!

This message is hidden because Nirgon is on your ignore list.

[Xanthias]

Now I was nice and respectful in bugs...

Nirgon, pulling evidence from velious timeframe (2001 and later) to defend Kunark information is just dumb.

Remember during this time, the planes were upgraded because they had become easy, epics needed stuff simplified and they were starting the buildup for AAs and kitties from space.

Using partial information is a piss poor way to make an arguement, especially when if someone pulls all the information from posts you cherry pick they are proven wrong.

[Nirgon]

You guys seem to recall song of the siren charming him, I overlooked that and found the patch note of when it gets fixed.

I knew he wasn't enchanter charmable and I know that he should death touch :).

I'm not just trying to make things harder. In fact, I think you should have a bard charmable key master as well and both sirran and the key master should death touch mobs until some time in Velious.

I have the guy who got 3rd overall in the necro botb post regarding necro heal changes.

Where's the respect from some of you? You're welcome?

[Loli Pops]

http://img1.bdbphotos.com/images/orig/f/1/f1s5i0dh1agqd01s.jpg

[kbnexus]

You guys seem to recall song of the siren charming him, I overlooked that and found the patch note of when it gets fixed.

I knew he wasn't enchanter charmable and I know that he should death touch :).

I'm not just trying to make things harder. In fact, I think you should have a bard charmable key master as well and both sirran and the key master should death touch mobs until some time in Velious.

I have the guy who got 3rd overall in the necro botb post regarding necro heal changes.

Where's the respect from some of you? You're welcome?

Banned for spamming the forums with false info :( SAD!

[Xanthias]

Banned for spamming the forums with false info :( SAD!

:D

[Nirgon]

Not banned and its all true. Forum suspension for treating idiots like idiots.

[AenarieFenninRo]

I knew he wasn't enchanter charmable and I know that he should death touch :).


and knowing is half the battle?

how about some REAL evidence?

I regret to inform you that outside from the word of the guild who spearheaded this raid and the Everlore data, there is nothing else. We dove through many screen shots and cannot in fact find any pictures of Sirran beating down the raid NPCs (being charmable) NOR can we find any of him shouting an NPC's or player's name.

So, because you cant find evidence of him beating down mobs that makes him non-charmable?
You cant find evidence of him shouting an NPC's name or a player's name that means he does?

LET ME STATE THAT AGAIN

YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE showing him charmable
YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE of him DTing

this somehow means he ISN'T charmable, and DOES DT? - This is called a "False Analogy"

Sirran was killed...back when bard charm was fucked up ;p
Key Master shouts, 'Sirran the Lunatic!!"

I believe I have solved the puzzle. Briefly charmable by bards and does death touch!


WAIT!!!! There's some evidence that Sirran must have been charmed because they attacked each other! Oh yeah, it takes two to tango, Did you consider that perhaps it was the Key Master who was charmed? By your logic above, if the situation here is that the Key Master was the one charmed, then Sirran must also be charmable!

We dont know which was charmed now do we? Besides that fact, The Key Master does the death touch, how does that mean that Sirran DTs? This is both a "False Analogy" as well as a "Hasty Generalization"

The context to the FOH quote was someone asking if Sirran had ever been killed, and had nothing to do with him being charmed, or the Key Master being the one charmed to kill him.

You're also drawing from this statement that it was because someone BARD charmed him and sent him against the Key Master. There is no evidence that it was a bard that charmed him, or if it was an enchanter.

The best conclusion we can draw from the statement is that the two faught, and most likely somebody charmed ONE of them or he and the key master would not have fought each other in the first place.

I make this statement not as a fallacy, but by evidence of them never attacking each other when one spawns next to the other. OH WAIT>>> I DONT HAVE EVIDENCE THAT THEY DONT ATTACK EACH OTHER>>> THEREFORE THEY MUST!!!

Quit with the anecdotal evidence and provide REAL EVIDENCE. Quit with the "I know it" and provide PROOF. Better still, quit with the fallacies. If you don't know a lot about fallacies, look them up, they're actually quite interesting to read about. :)

Your thread about Sirran started with:
This NPC should not be charmable due to very very high spell resists.

followed with:

I played EQ Classic and know fully well everything I just posted needs to be addressed. Please explain to me why you think any of what I posted is wrong other than it may remove the ability to exploit PvE on these servers.
Thanks!

Rogean's own words:
http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=52&postcount=1

"Please be as specific as possible when making a bug report. Include NPC names, zone, links to the quest & as much detail as you can."

Your recollections are not details. Your "knowing full well" is not evidence.

I'm not saying that Sirran was or was not charmable. I'm not saying that he did or did not DT, but you're making statements of FACT from lack of evidence.

And this, is why I agree with Xanthias that you are an idiot.

[Razdeline]

TMO is full of exploiters, hackers, and the like. This is old news. Move along

[Nirgon]

I have a raid guide that says he death touches. It matches my recollection. Score one for me.

I found the patch notes where bard charm being broken was fixed. Score another one for me.

Why people continue to argue with someone who raided classic EQ and has a very strong understanding of game mechanics (being in a pvp server did help with this ... a lot). It only boggles my mind until I realize one thing.

You want an easier EverQuest, I get it. You want to single pull things with invis, or charm mobs that shouldn't be charmable and even convinced the devs the make Sirran enchanter charmable for this long. I guess if this gets you dead mobs and helps you think you were good at classic Everquest, I'm sorry to rain on your parade.

See also the mage sword patch notes change I found. It is changed at the same time SK epic 2h bash goes in. So, either fix mage swords or remove SK 2 handed bash. The intelligent brain in my head says OK keep the SK bash but remove the mage sword proc. It is buggy and stupid.

How about town front guards should be spell immune? I remember that and backed it up, an easy kill there.

Even worse, re: the invis pull.. you guys are willing to admit certain things working or not working on EQMac as evidence but not others regarding bugs we can't seem to find patch notes for.

Hell, I even threw you a bone helping prove that dragons and animal types shouldn't be dual wielding and proc'ing weapons on their current loot table. Guess what? I remembered that and have the keen eye to pick it out of a classic screen shot and be like "hey guys, you didn't notice this, but here's a fix" - something that makes some encounters MUCH easier. But where's the love?

That is all, and please, refer to me as Dr. Nirgon.

[Diggles]

fix the bug where there isnt a max level monk on both of my accounts

[Nirgon]

Bunch of black knights riding around with their helmets on backwards imo.

[AenarieFenninRo]

And where did this raid guide come from? I had to create my own raid guide back in the day, yes I did raid original EQ. I don't ever seem to recall an official raid guide released by Verant.... Prima released one, but they're not Verant / Sony.

So are you now quoting your own self created raid guide to match with your memory? Or are you quoting a raid guide created by a company other than the one that created / developed / patched the game when things went wonky?


Why people continue to argue with someone who raided classic EQ and has a very strong understanding of game mechanics boggles my mind.


Why is it that you think that you were the only one who raided in classic? Why is it that you seem to think you're the only one with understanding of game mechanics? Making an accusation that I want EZ-Mode is a mistake, I never said that. In fact I specifically stated:


I'm not saying that Sirran was or was not charmable. I'm not saying that he did or did not DT, but you're making statements of FACT from lack of evidence.


What this says if you cant read is PROVIDE EVIDENCE NOT RECOLLECTION. It does NOT say I want easy mode, it also does not say I want hard mode. I'm fine with the change if it goes in, i'm fine if it stays out... I DONT CARE EITHER WAY. I'm saying PROVIDE EVIDENCE because claims of "this is how I remember it" are not evidence.

You're still an idiot.

[Nirgon]

What do you think about invis pulling?

[Nirgon]

Youre also not saying he did or didn't because you don't know.

I do.

[AenarieFenninRo]

You're right, I DONT KNOW. Thats why I'm not being an idiot saying "this is how I remember it so it must be true" because that could be the original way, it could be after a patch way, it could be the 2002 way, or it could be the 1999 way. Without evidence I dont make claims of "this is how it should be since I remember it this way"

The logic here is simple, just because you remember it a certain way, without evidence, making a claim is plain idiotic. If you feel there is a problem, find the evidence to back it up, don't rely on the developers to already know if you're correct or not. Don't make a claim in your posting that its "Game breaking raid issue: Sirran the Lunatic" and then your evidence is "I remember it differently". Thats akin to chicken little saying the sky is falling!

If you can't find evidence, then maybe you should tone down the rhetoric first and say, I dont remember this, but I believe its incorrect, could someone please help me find some evidence that its working as intended and not an erroneous piece of code?

When someone else finds evidence such as http://www.therunes.net/g-charm.htm that state chanters WERE able to charm him, perhaps you should acknowledge you were WRONG, instead of screaming to the heavens that you're still right because it was "fixed" at some point, and because you provide "evidence" about a different mob entirely does not mean you're correct about the mob you listed in the title of the thread. Read this as, if Key Master isn't currently DTing, then make a post about the KEY MASTER, not SIRRAN! Just because people are using it to their advantage while he IS charmable does not make it "game breaking", because at some point it WAS allowed.

We're here for the CLASSIC experience, bugs / exploits and all. If things were fixed in 2005 because they "never should have been that way" but always were from 1999 up to that point, then they SHOULD NOT get changed here because thats not part of our timeline.

Until you can find the evidence of charming Sirran being removed / changed, there is no reason for the Developers to take it out because nobody knows WHEN it should be removed. You posted about bard songs being fixed, but NOT about dictate. You claim that when the bard fix was implemented that it also fixed dictate. This MIGHT BE true! How can we know if that is true or not? EVIDENCE!

How do I feel about invis pulling? FEELINGS have nothing to do with it. If it worked the way it did on live, during the timeline we are in (our current timeline is somewhere between Sep 19 2000 when epics were released and Dec 6 2000 when Velious was released or anything prior to now, then its correct. If it doesn't match the way it worked on live during that time frame, it is incorrect.

[AenarieFenninRo]

And where did this raid guide come from?

[Itap]

logical text.

I hate to say it Aenarie, but Nirgon is trolling you hard. He has selective reading, no matter how logical and correct your responses are, he will nitpick it and redirect conversations. It happens in every single thread, it's just the way it is. He wants a classic server that he doesn't even play on anymore

[AenarieFenninRo]

he can troll me if he wants, just helps to prove the point even further :D

[Kassel]

Did some testing on EQ mac this week (FWIW) Arrow tagged a wyrven in WW, hit instant invis (ranger AA) ran around the zone invis with my mob and got many non see invis adds on the same faction in my train, all while invis. Almost died !! I can confirm that in the POP expansion you can not invis pull. Could you do that in Kunark ? IDK & IDC

That being said Nigron you are anoying as fuck.

[Nirgon]

That being said Nigron you are anoying as fuck.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeJ1UqnHsvU&NR=1&feature=endscreen

[Nirgon]

You're right, I DONT KNOW.

[AenarieFenninRo]

I'm not sure how me saying I dont know something is a bad thing? At least I dont declare that I do and am proven wrong

You're STILL an idiot!

[Itap]

point proven lol

On the real, youre a good dude Nirgon. After reading the 100+ page thread by Uth, I have respect for you for wanting justice

[Nirgon]

And I was *right* in my quest for justice.

[Nirgon]

I'm not sure how me saying I dont know something is a bad thing? At least I dont declare that I do and am proven wrong

You're STILL an idiot!

Go find my patch note where it says that the bard charm was fixed.

You just sound like one of the "omg Blizz this game is too hard come on Blizz" kids to me :).

Ask for a challenging, classic experience. Respect those who crusade to support it.

You didn't address me stating that dragons (or non humanoid mobs - yes most undead count) should not wield or proc their weapons and further they should not dual wield (attack 4 times with double attack!) when doing so. You're welcome?

It might occur to you I have a strong memory of game mechanics and a keen eye.


Here's another: I have not *once* seen a mob on the red server at least say "time to die soandso!".


One bug fix at a time bro. Take a deep breath and calm down. The truth will set you free.

[Nirgon]

http://www.blazen.com/mike/eq/newer_caps/killin_efreeti.jpg

Time to die classic haters!

[AenarieFenninRo]

Go find my patch note where it says that the bard charm was fixed.


Bard song != Dictate
Key master DTing != Sirran DTing

how many times must one tell you to not confuse one thing with another?

Still an idiot!

[Nirgon]

Right he was briefly charmable by bards while that was broken.

Remember, you don't know :).

If everyone else here knows so much why are they missing so many obvious things missing or wrong?

[Sodapop]

hey nirgon you suck dick like the midget i just almost beat the shit out of.

[Nirgon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT9aU8-ofdA

[Nirgon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dCWTUj845w&feature=related

[Sodapop]

that judge brown shit is fucking hilarious

[AenarieFenninRo]

Right he was briefly charmable by bards while that was broken.

Remember, you don't know :).

If everyone else here knows so much why are they missing so many obvious things missing or wrong?

Bard song != Enchanter Dictate
Key master DTing != Sirran DTing

how many times must one tell you to not confuse one thing with another?

Still an idiot!

Speaking of missing the obvious... sounds like the pot calling the kettle black

[Nirgon]

Should never be able to dictate him. Baws charm exploit lasted very briefly. The real idiots are the people who can't even clear sky with a charmed mob that guys for 2k or still wipe despite it.

Step up your game, cry babies.

[Nirgon]

Nothing confused here still looking for dev responses.

[Nirgon]

I've decided Bill Nye the science guy makes a more fitting forum avatar, having to explain to you kids how things work... I'll try to make it more fun with do it yourself experiments (aka go log on EQ Mac and prove me wrong fgts).

Zeelot, I expected more from you.

Having proved that it works on EQ Mac as far as NPCs that should aggro regardless of invis... I think it's time you show me patch note evidence that says you should be able to invis pull everything pre Luclin.

Happy hunting!

[Valiant]

Your avatar looks like a Pelican.

3 post before a reply. Y so mad? :mad:

[Nirgon]

People update their blogs 3 times a day sometimes.

How's that week off on your goofy rage spewing ranger? Finding productive things to do I see such as argue with intellectual superiors.

Pras PvP champ Klubba, a true Oracle in my eyes.

[Valiant]

Unlike you, I got other characters to play.

Hows Holocaust doing?

Oh wait.

[Nirgon]

Who says I don't play? =)

Oh wait.