Server raiding scene saved!!

[Lenin]

It is no longer necessary to have a force capable of killing raid mobs to receive loot. It is neither necessary to get exp on a kill to loot corpses. The only thing you have to do is get the first hit on a mob. I will post the proof below, and leave it to everyone else to discuss the direction in which they wish to take their FTE guilds.

TMO was awarded Trak loot by (GM) Sirken today after they disputed Trakanon. TMO wiped to Trak on a clean attempt with 27 people. BDA engaged Trak 20 minutes later with over 36 people. TMO had left Flippie (a monk) FD under Trakanon. Flippie then proceeded to pop back up and get the first hit on Trak when BDA went in to engage. TMO had 15 people rush in to hit Trakanon when BDA engaged. BDA group got exp. TMO looted 4 trak teeth, an SS BP, and bard guts with 15min left on Trak corpse before the GMs awarded the kill to TMO.

This is wonderful news. Guilds that could not consider themselves raiding guilds can now consider themselves FTE guilds. Everyone gets a shot.

Let it be known to all guilds that Trak is open game for FTE. I expect to see you all in seb within the next few days.

I hope I put forth the rules properly. Please feel free to clear up any ambiguities, GMs.

[quido]

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[BigSlip]

leh many QQ 'z

[Greeedy]

Wow they really did this? And GMs really ruled this way?

Amazing.

[Frieza_Prexus]

I believe you're late to the party. These mechanics are long-established, and they have been hotly debated. Do a forum search for "FTE Shout", and you'll come across such musings.

As an aside, my understanding is that TMO is losing a VS kill under similar circumstances. I suppose turnabout is fair play. At least, under this rule set.

[Lazortag]

This isn't any of my business but if you're disputing a GM decision it typically looks better for you to not do it in a public RnF-style thread. If I'm wrongly convicted for something in real life I don't start making sarcastic comments about the judge, I appeal it like a civilized person. TLDR: post something in petitions/exploits and use evidence.

[touchtonedialing]

As an aside, my understanding is that TMO is losing a VS kill under similar circumstances. I suppose turnabout is fair play. At least, under this rule set.

When did TMO lose a VS to a guild that did not have enough players to kill VS but got FTE then piggybacked on TMO's raid killing it?

Enjoy your server.

[arsenalpow]

i'd say it's completely different

40 people standing in a room waiting for VS to spawn, 40 people mauling him, TMO getting the kill, BDA is awarded the loot after logs were finally scoured

TMO wiping at Trak, BDA engages, flippie stands up and gets FTE as our raid force is engaging, TMO throws 2 groups of rez effected people at trak, TMO gets awarded trak


it's sad

Asgard, Full Circle, Divinity, Acyrid, Europa - go get FTE on mobs, that's all you need!

[Alarti0001]

i'd say it's completely different

40 people standing in a room waiting for VS to spawn, 40 people mauling him, TMO getting the kill, BDA is awarded the loot after logs were finally scoured

TMO wiping at Trak, BDA engages, flippie stands up and gets FTE as our raid force is engaging, TMO throws 2 groups of rez effected people at trak, TMO gets awarded trak


it's sad

Asgard, Full Circle, Divinity, Acyrid, Europa - go get FTE on mobs, that's all you need!


Lol so to avoid your RnF bann you guys RnF in server chat?

You guys have 4 guys last VS kill and you just got that loot so stfu.

[arsenalpow]

Lol so to avoid your RnF bann you guys RnF in server chat?

You guys have 4 guys last VS kill and you just got that loot so stfu.

well move this to RnF so i can stop posting on this thread then

[Lenin]

I am not sure what all this is...I am just letting the server know how the FTE scene is being handled by our new GM so that they can prepare themselves for future opportunities.

We never got to cooperate enough to establish raid rotations, maybe now we can establish FTE rotations? Or maybe it is just a dream.

Could an admin please ban quido and Bigslip from these forums for trolling on server chat? I would hate to see this moved to RnF because the staff decides that one or two idiots who make a scene should have precedence.

[Writ3r]

No surprise!

[Tarathiel]

posting in this thread before i cant

[quido]

Someone tell your folks that RnF censorship is divisive and will hurt, not help, your situation! I speak from experience.

Unlike at VS, it was perfectly clear (from what I heard) that we had FTE on Trakonan - you should have let us wipe if you didn't think we could kill him.

[arsenalpow]

Someone tell your folks that RnF censorship is divisive and will hurt, not help, your situation! I speak from experience.

Unlike at VS, it was perfectly clear (from what I heard) that we had FTE on Trakonan - you should have let us wipe if you didn't think we could kill him.

I don't think that's the case Jeremy. This system is messed up, and I get that "this is how it's always been!!" but that doesn't make it right. Our raid was already committed to the engage, we can't un-engage.

[Servellious]

Someone tell your folks that RnF censorship is divisive and will hurt, not help, your situation! I speak from experience.

Unlike at VS, it was perfectly clear (from what I heard) that we had FTE on Trakonan - you should have let us wipe if you didn't think we could kill him.

(from what i heard)

[quido]

But who is to say what a force is and isn't capable of? How do you draw that line without seeing how it turns out?

[Sprokets]

TMO has been sniping FTE for over a year now this is old news. IB/TR dealt with it, VD dealt with it. You're TMOs "competition" now so get used to this stuff.

[BigSlip]

I am not sure what all this is...I am just letting the server know how the FTE scene is being handled by our new GM so that they can prepare themselves for future opportunities.

We never got to cooperate enough to establish raid rotations, maybe now we can establish FTE rotations? Or maybe it is just a dream.

Could an admin please ban quido and Bigslip from these forums for trolling on server chat? I would hate to see this moved to RnF because the staff decides that one or two idiots who make a scene should have precedence.

rofl

[Houdiny]

Hmmm. I seem to remember an incident just two days ago me and a couple of my buddies were down in The Hole killing the zone in elementals. We had two on us, one was mezzed, the other was being killed. An entire group of BDA members proceeded to zone in, kill the mob we were killing, then B-line straight for the mezzed mob and killed it. This group was on a "corpse retrieval".

We had FTE on both of those mobs. And were killing them, yet that didn't bother the BDA group.

I don't mind killing the remaining mobs that are in your way. That wasn't the problem. It's the fact you decided to kill the mobs we were engaged in trying to get exp from.

So forgive me, but I simply don't feel sorry...The fact that one was a trash mob in a zone, and the other a raid target is irrelevant. The principals of the situation remain the same. If you don't honor said rule how can you be upset when it isn't returned?

[Greeedy]

Are you retarded Houdiny?

[Nirgon]

Sirken is so far removed from having friends in guilds here or side interests.. you are completely high out of your mind.

Bad form making this post.

[BigSlip]

Dont feel sorry for these scrubs.

PS its your own fault OP for making a sarcastic ass post in server caht. I can tell you this thread would land in rnf wether i was here or not.

[arsenalpow]

Sirken is so far removed from having friends in guilds here or side interests.. you are completely high out of your mind.

Bad form making this post.

i don't think he has a rooting interest, i think the system is stupid and TMO is shady for abusing it

[Tarathiel]

TMO has been sniping FTE for over a year now this is old news. IB/TR dealt with it, VD dealt with it. You're TMOs "competition" now so get used to this stuff.

this statement actually makes me sad, i wish that the server staff could see how bad these over lawyered rules are hurting the server. its situations like this that cause people to quit. its a shame that some sort of arrangement cant be agreed to that would benefit everyone. tbh it has nothing to do with this guild or that guild or what gm is in power, it has to do with exploitable loop holes in the current rule system

[BigSlip]

Then quit. Youre gonna lose either way... youre bda..

[quido]

You guys cry too fucking much. True story.

Wahhh, I want it to be such a way that is advantageous to me because we have shitty awareness, WAHHHH!

Man the fuck up.

[BigSlip]

exactly

[mindsculptor]

You guys cry too fucking much. True story.

Wahhh, I want it to be such a way that is advantageous to me because we have shitty awareness, WAHHHH!

Man the fuck up.

you man the fuck up and dont petition when you lose trak

[Tanthallas]

It is pretty clear what happened today.

TMO got loot off Trakanon with 17 people at their peak engaged on him. These 17 people were the peak, not the force that ran in to engage a raid mob they planned to kill with their own guild. TMO had just wiped with 27 of these same people, so I would really love to hear the argument that it was a sufficient raid force.

I do agree that the 'sufficient raid force' concept is far too ambiguous to be able to fall back on as a rule, though. That is side-stepping the real issue here, however, which is:

1. Not only that TMO actually stoops so low as to have a monk pop up for FTE after they already had a legitimate shot without interference, but that they were actually found to be IN THE RIGHT for engaging in this behavior. Clearly, the rules need to be fucking rethought if this behavior is REWARDED.

2. The atmosphere which has been established on this server - that of rule-lawyering and ridiculous formalism - and its discontents.

3. The fact, based on these rulings, any guild is free to get FTE now as the OP has said. Once you run in with your raid force, you cannot simply 'back out' if someone else got FTE even if they dont have a sufficient force to kill it....let alone if they do.

[Writ3r]

"It is against server policy to indefinitely kite, or otherwise keep occupied, a raid mob without intention of bringing it to your raid camp. You either bring it to your raid, die, or zone out. Obvious stall-kiting of a raid mob, especially in situations to prevent engagement by another guild, will result in disciplinary actions against the kiter's account, and possibly their raid/guild leadership." - Sirken

"take a log or SS of whos in the zone (/w all zone) and send it in with your petition. once upon a time i was in a guild that was literally seconds away from engaging trak when a monk from a competing guild let fly his javelin. we killed trak, yet the other guild got the loots because they had FTE. and yea, it sucked we didnt get the loots, but i had to tip my hat to that monk. but i mean, i'm not an idiot either. if u show me that GuildA had 35 in zone, and that GuildB had 5 in zone. and that GuildB let fly a javelin (technically gaining FTE), i'm not going to take away GuildAs loots. now if both guilds have sufficient raid forces, that would be a different story. you're going to notice in time that i'm a very big advocate of "common sense" - Sirken

"When I see blatant douchebaggery I will obviously suspend for it. But I’m not a nazi either. I have raid experience in EQ, and I understand that sometimes things like FTE can be extremely close, and I understand that things can just happen in the heat of battle, but there’s still a line that shouldn’t be crossed. P99 may not be a PvP server, but it is still a competitive raiding server. And as such, the staff wants to encourage heated, competitive contests between the guilds. We just want those contests decided by dedication and skill instead of garbage and griefing. Losing with class is always better than winning like a douchebag." - Sirken

I would suggest the people actually there/involved analyze these quotations and bold remarks themselves then depict from your proof or in the future preparation of proof to then be satisfactory to these areas.

If what exactly happened lies within the framework of what the OP posted considering TMO hasn't yet exactly denied it, but rather enforced that their force was hindered/less than sufficient, then it would appear Sirken is indeed what he says he isn't. Cause it would appear no common sense was used in his ruling if in fact there was intention to keep the mob occupied after 20 minutes was up with an insufficient force thus resulting in garbage and grief being rewarded rather than dedication and skill.

So i think we are all curious where does this dude Sirken draw the line between acting normal and/or with blatant douchebaggery? Cause common sense generally is that you don't engage a raid mob just after being rezzed, especially if that is the state the rest of your raid is in not being able to give/receive buffs/heals let alone dps effectively.

Red GM changing rules that resulted in less RnF to rules that encourage more RnF than even times past. FTE > all, everybody... pure genius!

[quido]

It's not perfect, but it's the lesser of two evils (the greater being that people can never attempt/claim a raid mob with low numbers because supposedly their force isn't sufficient).

You guys are lucky we don't petition you for disciplinary action for trying to ruin our Trak engage by adding extra lifetaps!!

[Tanthallas]

You guys are lucky we don't petition you for disciplinary action for trying to ruin our Trak engage by adding extra lifetaps!!

nice.

[Mylozen]

Noob here and I just have to say this whole raiding scene seems very classic indeed. One guild owns the server, a couple other guilds struggle to get kills but have a hard time supporting themselves because the guild that owns the server pretty much gets all the loots.
While I raided a lot way back in the day, I have to say you guys are a bit crazy.
Sure raiding was fun back then and I'm having a blast leveling up and feeling nostaglic, but when I think about all the forum flame wars and guild drama that was caused by end game EQ raiding I cringe. The entire raiding system in this game is horribly designed, and most of these early expansion fights are just an matter of having the numbers and gear to down things.

If you are involved in a bunch of shit and drama and aren't able to enjoy the end game I'd recommend any number of new games that have much better raiding systems. The rules set on this server are obviously designed to continue the "classic" EQ, and "classic" EQ was having one guild own the raid scene and everyone else interested in raiding would have to eat shit.

[Tanthallas]

[QUOTE=Writ3r;708454]"It is against server policy to indefinitely kite, or otherwise keep occupied, a raid mob without intention of bringing it to your raid camp. You either bring it to your raid, die, or zone out. Obvious stall-kiting of a raid mob, especially in situations to prevent engagement by another guild, will result in disciplinary actions against the kiter's account, and possibly their raid/guild leadership." - Sirken

"take a log or SS of whos in the zone (/w all zone) and send it in with your petition. once upon a time i was in a guild that was literally seconds away from engaging trak when a monk from a competing guild let fly his javelin. we killed trak, yet the other guild got the loots because they had FTE. and yea, it sucked we didnt get the loots, but i had to tip my hat to that monk. but i mean, i'm not an idiot either. if u show me that GuildA had 35 in zone, and that GuildB had 5 in zone. and that GuildB let fly a javelin (technically gaining FTE), i'm not going to take away GuildAs loots. now if both guilds have sufficient raid forces, that would be a different story. you're going to notice in time that i'm a very big advocate of "common sense" - Sirken

"When I see blatant douchebaggery I will obviously suspend for it. But I’m not a nazi either. I have raid experience in EQ, and I understand that sometimes things like FTE can be extremely close, and I understand that things can just happen in the heat of battle, but there’s still a line that shouldn’t be crossed. P99 may not be a PvP server, but it is still a competitive raiding server. And as such, the staff wants to encourage heated, competitive contests between the guilds. We just want those contests decided by dedication and skill instead of garbage and griefing. Losing with class is always better than winning like a douchebag." - Sirken

^ ^ ^ ^

[Tarathiel]

anyone who can say with a straight face that the tactics used on trak today were legitimate and fair for a blue server are either delusional or just trolling.

[Servellious]

Noob here and I just have to say this whole raiding scene seems very classic indeed. One guild owns the server, a couple other guilds struggle to get kills but have a hard time supporting themselves because the guild that owns the server pretty much gets all the loots.
While I raided a lot way back in the day, I have to say you guys are a bit crazy.
Sure raiding was fun back then and I'm having a blast leveling up and feeling nostaglic, but when I think about all the forum flame wars and guild drama that was caused by end game EQ raiding I cringe. The entire raiding system in this game is horribly designed, and most of these early expansion fights are just an matter of having the numbers and gear to down things.

If you are involved in a bunch of shit and drama and aren't able to enjoy the end game I'd recommend any number of new games that have much better raiding systems. The rules set on this server are obviously designed to continue the "classic" EQ, and "classic" EQ was having one guild own the raid scene and everyone else interested in raiding would have to eat shit.


See some of us like the race and competition its a good adrenaline rush and if someone gets there first and wins you chalk it up and try to get better. The problem is win people rig results or kick someone sprinting past them in a race and the refs dont want to do anything about it. But i guess im just a cry baby and want a straight up race where the best wins without some bull shit

[Loly Taa]

http://i.imgur.com/YYQGy.png

[bluejam]

drama
That's what raiding on P99 is like. Enjoy.




No surprise!
http://m.cdn.blog.hu/ph/phail/image/pubi/4/Cant%20see%20SHIT.jpg

[Halfelfbard]

Lol

[bluejam]

You guys cry too fucking much. True story.

Wahhh, I want it to be such a way that is advantageous to me because we have shitty awareness, WAHHHH!

Man the fuck up.
If only I could find the thread were one or more of the TMO RNF patrol makes up a rule/rules to favour them.

[bluejam]

Fack me... randomly checked my post history from the golden age of drama pretty much exactly one year ago and behold:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=46059

[Versus]

It is no longer necessary to have a force capable of killing raid mobs to receive loot. It is neither necessary to get exp on a kill to loot corpses. The only thing you have to do is get the first hit on a mob. I will post the proof below, and leave it to everyone else to discuss the direction in which they wish to take their FTE guilds.

TMO was awarded Trak loot by (GM) Sirken today after they disputed Trakanon. TMO wiped to Trak on a clean attempt with 27 people. BDA engaged Trak 20 minutes later with over 36 people. TMO had left Flippie (a monk) FD under Trakanon. Flippie then proceeded to pop back up and get the first hit on Trak when BDA went in to engage. TMO had 15 people rush in to hit Trakanon when BDA engaged. BDA group got exp. TMO looted 4 trak teeth, an SS BP, and bard guts with 15min left on Trak corpse before the GMs awarded the kill to TMO.

This is wonderful news. Guilds that could not consider themselves raiding guilds can now consider themselves FTE guilds. Everyone gets a shot.

Let it be known to all guilds that Trak is open game for FTE. I expect to see you all in seb within the next few days.

I hope I put forth the rules properly. Please feel free to clear up any ambiguities, GMs.

Welcome to the raid scene. I see you've had your head in the sand for the past year.

[Alarti0001]

It is pretty clear what happened today.

TMO got loot off Trakanon with 17 people at their peak engaged on him. These 17 people were the peak, not the force that ran in to engage a raid mob they planned to kill with their own guild. TMO had just wiped with 27 of these same people, so I would really love to hear the argument that it was a sufficient raid force.

I do agree that the 'sufficient raid force' concept is far too ambiguous to be able to fall back on as a rule, though. That is side-stepping the real issue here, however, which is:

1. Not only that TMO actually stoops so low as to have a monk pop up for FTE after they already had a legitimate shot without interference, but that they were actually found to be IN THE RIGHT for engaging in this behavior. Clearly, the rules need to be fucking rethought if this behavior is REWARDED.

2. The atmosphere which has been established on this server - that of rule-lawyering and ridiculous formalism - and its discontents.

3. The fact, based on these rulings, any guild is free to get FTE now as the OP has said. Once you run in with your raid force, you cannot simply 'back out' if someone else got FTE even if they dont have a sufficient force to kill it....let alone if they do.

The main problem is hypocrisy. BDA cries when shit doesn't go their way. You guys just got VS loots from having 5 people online with 1 second earlier FTE. The you cry here when we get fte a full 10 seconds before you, and call us shady?

TMO can easily kill trakanon with 18 people... however on the FTE we had 25 there. The reason we wiped in the first place is because we had no groups formed and engaged about 15 seconds after the "batphone". It was rushed for whatever reason. BDA then had 15 mins to engage and you didnt. Stop sucking.

[Daliant17447]

After TMO wiped, we should have given BDA a free uncontested shot at Trakanon and allowed them as much time as they needed to prepare. It would have been the moral and right thing to do. I am disappointed.

[Alarti0001]

All my guildies hate me on every server I play

[Autotune]

All you have ever needed to be awarded loot is the FTE.

Stupid fucks making stupid fucking threads per the usual.

[Autotune]

this statement actually makes me sad, i wish that the server staff could see how bad these over lawyered rules are hurting the server. its situations like this that cause people to quit. its a shame that some sort of arrangement cant be agreed to that would benefit everyone. tbh it has nothing to do with this guild or that guild or what gm is in power, it has to do with exploitable loop holes in the current rule system

Bwaha, TMO wasn't the first guild to do the FTE snipes. Learn your history scrub.

[Mantel]

TMO was the first to do the harmsheild FTE lulz...

[Autotune]

TMO was the first to do the harmsheild FTE lulz...

First to engage a raid target with DA? I think not.

[PhuckTMO]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/25029490.jpg

[Crazyeye]

Dammit i missed a raid where we actually have less than 60 peeps?! 18 members of our choice to down trak would be overkill, lets make it more challenging and say 2 grps?

[Alarti0001]

i got 500k TmO cannot kill Trak with 18

Haha are you serious. Cause I am sure we can set this up next trak spawn.
Anyways I will take your bet.

[quido]

Guys I soloed Trakanon on Project2000.

[Vaken]

Cant wait for my Monk to get all the lewts for myself next pop...Gonna delete it all in spit too...Come at me bro

[Vaken]

Cant wait for my Monk to get all the lewts for myself next pop...Gonna delete it all in spit too...Come at me broz

[Ele]

Cant wait for my Monk to get all the lewts for myself next pop...Gonna delete it all in spit too...Come at me bro

might want to get your PH levels checked.

[chief]

Bwaha, TMO wasn't the first guild to do the FTE snipes. Learn your history scrub.

FASTEST JAV IN THE WEST

[Tarathiel]

Bwaha, TMO wasn't the first guild to do the FTE snipes. Learn your history scrub.

i give zero fucks about tmo's history of douchebaggery, the fact that it happened before doesnt make it any less of a dick move now. the fact that the dick bag behavior is not only supported but encouraged by the staff is pretty weak too. how many guilds left the server now because of this policy? 3 or 4? (im sure king tmo bitch autotune will chime in here to educate me) imagine what the server pop would be like if all those people were still here. unlike what the TMO pr crew would have you believe, they didnt leave because they lost mobs, they left because they learned that the only skill that matters on p99 is your skill at rules lawyering. but of course why would TMO want those all those people here, the last thing they want is real competition.

im sure im gonna take alot of heat for making this post but idgaf anymore, p99's raid scene is fucking joke and im done with it

inb4 mad, bad, sad or fat or any other of the oh so original tmo combacks

[AimAce]

Your mom LOL BURN

[Alarti0001]

i give zero fucks about tmo's history of douchebaggery, the fact that it happened before doesnt make it any less of a dick move now. the fact that the dick bag behavior is not only supported but encouraged by the staff is pretty weak too. how many guilds left the server now because of this policy? 3 or 4? (im sure king tmo bitch autotune will chime in here to educate me) imagine what the server pop would be like if all those people were still here. unlike what the TMO pr crew would have you believe, they didnt leave because they lost mobs, they left because they learned that the only skill that matters on p99 is your skill at rules lawyering. but of course why would TMO want those all those people here, the last thing they want is real competition.

im sure im gonna take alot of heat for making this post but idgaf anymore, p99's raid scene is fucking joke and im done with it

inb4 mad, bad, sad or fat or any other of the oh so original tmo combacks


BDA isnt anything close to real competition so stop pretending that you are.

Also, if you want to complain about fte engages look at your guild and last VS.

get off your soapbox

[Sirbanmelotz]

Play on red and this shit wont happen bros

[AimAce]

@ Alarti Your mom

[deneauth]

Poor thread full of poor people. Let it... nevermind fuck you all. Leave already.

[Alarti0001]

same thing we said about TmO yall always trying to be like IB, till this day

except we destroyed you lol

[Autotune]

i give zero fucks about tmo's history of douchebaggery, the fact that it happened before doesnt make it any less of a dick move now. {Your guild is guilty of FTE sniping } the fact that the dick bag behavior is not only supported but encouraged by the staff is pretty weak too. how many guilds left the server now because of this policy? 3 or 4? {Zero left because of FTE sniping, scrub} (im sure king tmo bitch autotune will chime in here to educate me) imagine what the server pop would be like if all those people were still here. unlike what the TMO pr crew would have you believe, they didnt leave because they lost mobs, they left because they learned that the only skill that matters on p99 is your skill at rules lawyering. but of course why would TMO want those all those people here, the last thing they want is real competition {They left mostly due to Amelinda being flippy floppy on her own accord. Actually had little to do with TMO, fucking scrub}.

im sure im gonna take alot of heat for making this post but idgaf anymore, p99's raid scene is fucking joke and im done with it {why would anyone give your scrub ass heat, you posted no revelations and only your stupid fucking opinions for which you have no idea how far those are from fact.}

inb4 mad, bad, sad or fat or any other of the oh so original tmo combacks

Your guild cries every fucking day about how you don't get your way and that TMO won't give you free shit.

Do us all a favor and do like chest suggested, move to fucking EpicEmu. Candy ass pussy bitches, even in fantasy land.

[Tarathiel]

Play on red and this shit wont happen bros

the idea is sounding more and more appealing everyday

[Autotune]

same thing we said about TmO yall always trying to be like IB, till this day

Same thing might have been said, but TMO on average equaled IB with targets killed per month or had more (targets that mattered anyhow).

[Nizzarr]

hahah blue server

[Psionide]

my dad could beat up your dad

[Tarathiel]

Your guild cries every fucking day about how you don't get your way and that TMO won't give you free shit.

Do us all a favor and do like chest suggested, move to fucking EpicEmu. Candy ass pussy bitches, even in fantasy land.

i hate to inform you "bro" but this is a pve server, if i wanted to compete against a bunch snot nosed little brats that get more joy out of griefing people than they do playing the game i would go play mw3

your opinion isnt even relevant tho cuz you dont even play here

try again

[Autotune]

hahah blue server

I hope they join red and cry about getting PvP'd and not given ample time to jerk themselves off before engaging.

[Autotune]

i hate to inform you "bro" but this is a pve server, if i wanted to compete against a bunch snot nosed little brats that get more joy out of griefing people than they do playing the game i would go play mw3

your opinion isnt even relevant tho cuz you dont even play here

try again

It is a PvE server without instances. You want to play where you and your buddies can chat it up and get free shit, go play a WoW emu.

My opinion is more relevant than yours. I played the game for what it is, not for what it isn't.

Keep crying about shit that you'll never try to change, I am sure someone will do it for you.

[Tarathiel]

Keep crying about shit that you have no desire to change, I am sure someone will do it for you.

ftfy


if rule's lawyering, poopsoocking. and fte sniping the competition is what it takes to get kills then i dont want any part of it

im done here, have fun jacking each other off over your shiny pixels, you guys have sure "earned" them

[Autotune]

ftfy


if rule's lawyering, poopsoocking. and fte sniping the competition is what it takes to get kills then i dont want any part of it

im done here, have fun jacking each other off over your shiny pixels, you guys have sure "earned" them

have fun crying about it.

[Razdeline]

i'd say it's completely different

40 people standing in a room waiting for VS to spawn, 40 people mauling him, TMO getting the kill, BDA is awarded the loot after logs were finally scoured

TMO wiping at Trak, BDA engages, flippie stands up and gets FTE as our raid force is engaging, TMO throws 2 groups of rez effected people at trak, TMO gets awarded trak


it's sad

Asgard, Full Circle, Divinity, Acyrid, Europa - go get FTE on mobs, that's all you need!

lol at tmo still wiping to trak

[quido]

We're so bad, mad, and fat.

[Ron Burgundy]

Stay classy, Piss-poor illegitimate fake server that supports RMTers, cheaters, and general scum.

[Alarti0001]

i hate to inform you "bro" but this is a pve server, if i wanted to compete against a bunch snot nosed little brats


We do it every day.

[afkbandito]

This happened on live well into PoP. So far the experience is as similar as it gets.

[Tarathiel]

This happened on live well into PoP. So far the experience is as similar as it gets.

not on innoruuk it didnt

[afkbandito]

Lol sorry, I was on Fennin Ro...where was TMO from again?

[BigSlip]

not on innoruuk it didnt

cry yourself to sleep baby

[Droxx]

Dammit i missed a raid where we actually have less than 60 peeps?! 18 members of our choice to down trak would be overkill, lets make it more challenging and say 2 grps?

i had avatar ready for you and everything!

[feanan]

So do the same thing back to them. Though I don't think BDA has any GM's in their guild, so the outcome may be a bit different.

Everyone knows how the rules are fluid when TMO and their lawyers are involved.

[Alarti0001]

So do the same thing back to them. Though I don't think BDA has any GM's in their guild, so the outcome may be a bit different.

Everyone knows how the rules are fluid when TMO and their lawyers are involved.


So BDA getting an FTE call without a raid force in zone = Good!
TMO getting an FTE call with a raid force in zone = Bad?

idiot

[finalgrunt]

Again, a GM had the occasion to set a precedent, which would better the raid scene, but chose to backup the low move again (when "play nice" and "FTE" rules are conflicting, the FTE one was once again picked).

Can only lead to more drama and tin foil imo, but whatever.

P.S: TMO has always been doing this for Trakanon, when they can't win it in a competitive way. So either FTE them in return (and pray for GM to back you up), or if you don't want to lower yourself to their "standards", hope next time it will just go better. Nothing's perfect, so is p99 raid scene.

[Xadion]

TMO has been sniping FTE for over a year now this is old news. IB/TR dealt with it, VD dealt with it. You're TMOs "competition" now so get used to this stuff.

I believe the first real FTE snipe was Inny many many many moons ago by IB vs DA - and then the legend of Daltheb the fastest jav in the west taken into IB for that purpose.

I guess its just because I have been on this god forsaken server too damn long that I find all of this amusing- the cycle repeats itself ... people are "shocked" by rules and raid scene that has been practically the same for what...going on 2? years now...

[azeth]

We're so bad, mad, and fat.

all of us R&F residents can certainly fit into 1 if not 2/3 of these options.

I'd say right now im fat, and bad. not mad, though.

[suptoofs]

So BDA getting an FTE call without a raid force in zone = Good!
TMO getting an FTE call with a raid force in zone = Bad?

idiot

this guy is hilarious, it's like he speaks without thinking lol

[Orruar]

The real question that needs to be asked...

How do you wipe to a mob that has 32k hp with 27 people?

[azeth]

The real question that needs to be asked...

How do you wipe to a mob that has 32k hp with 27 people?

1. No clerics
2. All rangers
3. Mass LDs
4. Trains

[baub]

I still have plenty of Trakanon BPs lying around.

plz stop the fighting guise i'll make it rain soon

[Autotune]

Again, a GM had the occasion to set a precedent, which would better the raid scene, but chose to backup the low move again (when "play nice" and "FTE" rules are conflicting, the FTE one was once again picked).

Can only lead to more drama and tin foil imo, but whatever.

P.S: TMO has always been doing this for Trakanon, when they can't win it in a competitive way. So either FTE them in return (and pray for GM to back you up), or if you don't want to lower yourself to their "standards", hope next time it will just go better. Nothing's perfect, so is p99 raid scene.

How can using FTE, which has been the standard for years, cause more tinfoil and drama?

You know what causes more tinfoil/drama, setting a new precedent on a raid dispute.

PS. You know nothing of which you speak. Every guild (who actually kill raid targets with another raid in the zone) has used fte snipes.

[Alarti0001]

this guy is hilarious, it's like he speaks without thinking lol

not as funny as someone who insults without explanation!

[Lazortag]

How can using FTE, which has been the standard for years, cause more tinfoil and drama?

You know what causes more tinfoil/drama, setting a new precedent on a raid dispute.

...


Did it cause drama when "first to 15" was repealed?

[Alarti0001]

1. No clerics
2. All rangers
3. Mass LDs
4. Trains

No groups formed!

also numbers can be inflated by non-coth people.

[Atmas]

this guy is hilarious, it's like he speaks without thinking lol

Alarti's analysis is spot on. BDA does crap like this plenty, case in point the VS last week where one BDA member ran in, pulled him ontop of a group of exping TMO, died, and then other BDA members engaged VS off of the group of TMO.

The only way you can really argue against Alarti here is if you A) don't know the facts, or B) are too stupid to understand them.

This shit just gets old and its no suprise to me why a couple of people just troll the hell out of people here. Incidents like the Draco where BDA created a train that wiped them and TMO was mistakingly blamed for a brief period of time, with BDA keeping silent on the fact that it was their own train just compound it.

[Fazlazen]

Clearly, FTE was sniped...haha by a whole 10 seconds...

1 Jaed (71103)[2744] The Mystical Order 60 Cleric 15:02:09 0 15:03:15 66 10462 0 174

2 Chowda (103069)[2670] Bregan D`Aerth 60 Warrior 15:02:19 10 15:03:13 54 10413 1514 7414

3 Flippie (210073)[2749] The Mystical Order 60 Monk 15:02:19 10 15:02:22 3 10445 21 206

4 Snackies (309053)[2735] The Mystical Order 60 Monk 15:02:20 11 15:03:11
51 10445 4858 3349

5 Kegluas (69548)[2692] The Mystical Order 59 Warrior 15:02:21 12 15:03:11 50 10457 2430 7415

6 Hitzme (210873)[2683] Bregan D`Aerth 55 Warrior 15:02:21 12 15:03:15 54 10420 1210 2289

7 Klamme (40355)[2672] Bregan D`Aerth 59 Warrior 15:02:21 12 15:03:15 54 10420 2734 2930

8 Biggslick (306149)[2706] Divinity 60 Warrior 15:02:22 13 15:03:15 53 10457 2128 4453

9 Berty's Pet (skel_pet_47_) (628)[2775] Bregan D`Aerth 47 Warrior 15:02:22 13 15:03:13 51 0 1064 724

10 Berty (149858)[2725] Bregan D`Aerth 59 Necromancer 15:02:22 13 15:02:36 14 0 0 0

[Atmas]

Faz get out of here with your facts, they do not compute with the propoganda machine.

[Autotune]

Did it cause drama when "first to 15" was repealed?

when was this?

[Lazortag]

when was this?

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=79642


15 people on a spawn is stupid. if u want to claim the mob, then engage the mob.

It didn't cause drama like you suggested it would. I'm not sure why ruling based on common sense would do that.

[Heebo]

It didn't cause drama because that makes FTE the default method to see who is entitled to the mob. I'm just curious - what would happen if you got rid of both rules? DPS KS groups? I think FTE is a bit more reasonable.

[Autotune]

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=79642



It didn't cause drama like you suggested it would. I'm not sure why ruling based on common sense would do that.

that's because he did it not during a dispute.


How can using FTE, which has been the standard for years, cause more tinfoil and drama?

You know what causes more tinfoil/drama, setting a new precedent on a raid dispute.

PS. You know nothing of which you speak. Every guild (who actually kill raid targets with another raid in the zone) has used fte snipes.

Try reading that again.

[Orruar]

1. No clerics
2. All rangers
3. Mass LDs
4. Trains

Sounds like a bad time to engage. Still, I'd imagine 27 warriors with 0 heals could drop a 32k mob without losing more than 4 or 5.

[Autotune]

Sounds like a bad time to engage. Still, I'd imagine 27 warriors with 0 heals could drop a 32k mob without losing more than 4 or 5.

depends on the 32k mob.

27 warriors on Hosh wouldn't drop him 20% before all of them were dead.

[Happyfeet]

Alarti's analysis is spot on. BDA does crap like this plenty, case in point the VS last week where one BDA member ran in, pulled him ontop of a group of exping TMO, died, and then other BDA members engaged VS off of the group of TMO.

The only way you can really argue against Alarti here is if you A) don't know the facts, or B) are too stupid to understand them.

This shit just gets old and its no suprise to me why a couple of people just troll the hell out of people here. Incidents like the Draco where BDA created a train that wiped them and TMO was mistakingly blamed for a brief period of time, with BDA keeping silent on the fact that it was their own train just compound it.


This is how that shit went down when Blaza trained us with his sweet FTE and got our engage group killed. Me, DMX and saragirl are XP'ing in the pit, I see VS on track, I batphone it, then VS is on top of us while I'm tabbed out BP'ing. Blaza dies right on top of us, DMX engages, I couldn't get back over in time to heal him. I then proceed to keep Kegluas up for ~25 seconds solo (pro, I know right). And not only VS was trained on us by them, about 5 other mobs as well, you can see them spamming me while healing. Go cry some more, that would have been our VS easily if you didn't train our engage group.

[Daliant17447]

shit I cant find my magnifying glass :(

[Alarti0001]

shit I cant find my magnifying glass :(

click on the image hold ctrl and use your mousewheel

[BigSlip]

lol bda

[HeallunRumblebelly]

After TMO wiped, we should have given BDA a free uncontested shot at Trakanon and allowed them as much time as they needed to prepare. It would have been the moral and right thing to do. I am disappointed.

Daliant, you still owe me 6k for that kedge robe o_o

[feanan]

I'm in a partial food coma, but how does a druid CH?

[azeth]

I'm in a partial food coma, but how does a druid CH?

shrug, natures touch ~1500 hp

[BigSlip]

shrug, natures touch ~1500 hp

healing for 2200

[BigSlip]

actually theyre higher than that, 2700 up in thur

[feanan]

nature touch isn't until velious. and he's got some 2800 hp CH's in there...

[feanan]

Does Donal's BP work from inventory for other classes? Don't know what else it could possibly be.

[azeth]

nature touch isn't until velious. and he's got some 2800 hp CH's in there...

wait how do we know there weren't any clerics?

[feanan]

In the same screenshot you can see the mob hitting him is taking 6 damage from his DS, which is from the druid AC buff Bladecoat.

In the same screenshot, you can see:
You have healed Kegluas for 2745 points of damage.
Kegluas is completly healed.

Exploit? Photoshop? Bug?

[Fazlazen]

Isn't there a quest that you can do that gives you a weapon that can cast a spell that can heal that much ? advice : its inflamed !

[azeth]

Isn't there a quest that you can do that gives you a weapon that can cast a spell that can heal that much ? advice : its inflamed !

BE IT A PALADIN SWARD?

[Fazlazen]

In the same screenshot you can see the mob hitting him is taking 6 damage from his DS, which is from the druid AC buff Bladecoat.

In the same screenshot, you can see:
You have healed Kegluas for 2745 points of damage.
Kegluas is completly healed.

Exploit? Photoshop? Bug?

clearly exploit !

[Fazlazen]

BE IT A PALADIN SWARD?

maybe...

[azeth]

advice : its inflamed !

Also Faz you get a pass since you speak french, but inflamed =! flaming

[Autotune]

maybe...

hmm pretty sure there is a giant stick with a blade on it that can do something like that too... isn't there?

Who knows, probably just exploits.

[azeth]

http://i.imgur.com/7xrKA.jpg

[feanan]

Reaper of the dead? Single charge. Or not here on p1999?

I guess rnf isn't a place to try and get any serious information.

Just figured if there was some druid usable CH item that it would be common knowledge, but I've not heard of it.

Of course, it could be some sky quest or VP stuff and I wouldn't have a clue

[HeallunRumblebelly]

reaper 1 charge or soulfire 5 charges. w/e

[azeth]

Reaper of the dead? Single charge. Or not here on p1999?

I guess rnf isn't a place to try and get any serious information.

Just figured if there was some druid usable CH item that it would be common knowledge, but I've not heard of it.

Of course, it could be some sky quest or VP stuff and I wouldn't have a clue

culprit (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=434)

[Crazyeye]

The real question that needs to be asked...

How do you wipe to a mob that has 32k hp with 27 people?


1. No clerics
2. All rangers
3. Mass LDs
4. Trains


5. No Crazyeyes

[Autotune]

reaper 1 charge or soulfire 5 charges. w/e

most have a reaper, some have soulfires, few have both.

They are both common knowledge.

[quido]

Happyfeets clearly enabled his GM status and used #cast to CH our peeps.

[Jacquouille]

EQ drama,

btw I met Franswa and his lovely girlfriend today @ Gamescom in Germany.

We say hi to all our friends and can't wait to play all together again in velious

lots of love

visc

[feanan]

Thanks for the answer.

Common knowledge? I doubt it. Maybe in TMO, IB, BDA...

I never would have even suspected any other class could get soulfire, or would bother for 5 charges of CH.

Nor would I believe he'd waste those charges healing a tank on a fight he knew they weren't going to win :)

[Phatso]

So BDA getting an FTE call without a raid force in zone = Good!
TMO getting an FTE call with a raid force in zone = Bad?

idiot

Let me fix this for you.

BDA getting a FTE call while TMO poopsocks = awesome
TMO getting a FTE call after they wiped and were recovering = lame

[Eccezan]

TMO has been sniping FTE for over a year now this is old news. IB/TR dealt with it, VD dealt with it. You're TMOs "competition" now so get used to this stuff.

http://qkme.me/3qj4l5

[Daliant17447]

Wow Azeth, I didn't think anyone actually used Internet Explorer anymore.

[jpeute]

wow nice 15 pages for this thread...so let me guess , tl;dr bda crying like a pussy?

[azeth]

Wow Azeth, I didn't think anyone actually used Internet Explorer anymore.

as i've said many times before, i'm usually use a netbook @ work.

[Alarti0001]

Let me fix this for you.

BDA getting a FTE call while TMO poopsocks = awesome
TMO getting a FTE call after they wiped and were recovering = lame

We had 15 mins to recover that is way more than enough time.... You have heard of cleric epics? and live reinforcements correct?

BDA not being able to engage Trak in those 15 mins = lame.

[Arteker]

I'm in a partial food coma, but how does a druid CH?

using a fucking soulfire omg , learn some shit.

[Arteker]

In the same screenshot you can see the mob hitting him is taking 6 damage from his DS, which is from the druid AC buff Bladecoat.

In the same screenshot, you can see:
You have healed Kegluas for 2745 points of damage.
Kegluas is completly healed.

Exploit? Photoshop? Bug?

he is using a fucking soulfire retard. maybe u should learn about how works this fucking game ebfore u embarras yoruself so much i want to puke over ur tiny micropenis

[Happyfeet]

Thanks for the answer.

Common knowledge? I doubt it. Maybe in TMO, IB, BDA...

I never would have even suspected any other class could get soulfire, or would bother for 5 charges of CH.

Nor would I believe he'd waste those charges healing a tank on a fight he knew they weren't going to win :)

I'M BLOWIN MINDS UP IN THIS BITCH!
When TMO went to the cross server Test of Tactics it was a requirement that all 12 of us had full Soulfires and reapers. So 6 CH's per person X 12 = 72 CH's per team.
Afterlife still smoked the fuck out of us with their 4 bards or whatever they had.

And yes I used all 5 on the Warrior bc had they not been training other shit on us we would have had the reinforcements there in time to take over CH's, I would have died due to healing agro at some point, but whatever.

Can't say I didn't try, it's better than rolling over like a bitch and taking the BDA train to the ass.

[Taelara]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/8816055.jpg

[Paumad]

All hail Happyfeets, wielder of the spoonfire.

[KentalCowtipper]

Guess what - you BDA bitches whined about VS FTE - 1 second sooner - with 5 people in the zone. No way you could have done VS but you got the loot. Enjoy your legs.

I been practicing my Javelin skills. Daltheb would be proud. This is the first of many FTE from me. I will do whatever it takes within the letter of the p99s rules to get FTE over BDA after they pulled that on VS with 5 people.
Thank you for properly motivating me with that VS.

[KentalCowtipper]

Oh yeah another great round of the FTE game in Sky tonight.. this time though the first 4!! people on the list were TMO.. 5th was a BDA :D

[finalgrunt]

Guess what - you BDA bitches whined about VS FTE - 1 second sooner - with 5 people in the zone. No way you could have done VS but you got the loot. Enjoy your legs.

I been practicing my Javelin skills. Daltheb would be proud. This is the first of many FTE from me. I will do whatever it takes within the letter of the p99s rules to get FTE over BDA after they pulled that on VS with 5 people.
Thank you for properly motivating me with that VS.

People like you take this game way too seriously.

[Jacquouille]

I'm stuck in a shed, i'm cold, starving and bleeding, anyone got bandages?

please :(

[suptoofs]

People like you take this game way too seriously.

seriously, an emu no less LOL....

[Greeedy]

People like Kental are why TMO gets away with what it does.

Completely oblivious members who have more playtime than a 13 year old boy whose parents never loved him.

[Greeedy]

"It is against server policy to indefinitely kite, or otherwise keep occupied, a raid mob without intention of bringing it to your raid camp. You either bring it to your raid, die, or zone out. Obvious stall-kiting of a raid mob, especially in situations to prevent engagement by another guild, will result in disciplinary actions against the kiter's account, and possibly their raid/guild leadership." - Sirken

"take a log or SS of whos in the zone (/w all zone) and send it in with your petition. once upon a time i was in a guild that was literally seconds away from engaging trak when a monk from a competing guild let fly his javelin. we killed trak, yet the other guild got the loots because they had FTE. and yea, it sucked we didnt get the loots, but i had to tip my hat to that monk. but i mean, i'm not an idiot either. if u show me that GuildA had 35 in zone, and that GuildB had 5 in zone. and that GuildB let fly a javelin (technically gaining FTE), i'm not going to take away GuildAs loots. now if both guilds have sufficient raid forces, that would be a different story. you're going to notice in time that i'm a very big advocate of "common sense" - Sirken

"When I see blatant douchebaggery I will obviously suspend for it. But I’m not a nazi either. I have raid experience in EQ, and I understand that sometimes things like FTE can be extremely close, and I understand that things can just happen in the heat of battle, but there’s still a line that shouldn’t be crossed. P99 may not be a PvP server, but it is still a competitive raiding server. And as such, the staff wants to encourage heated, competitive contests between the guilds. We just want those contests decided by dedication and skill instead of garbage and griefing. Losing with class is always better than winning like a douchebag." - Sirken

I would suggest the people actually there/involved analyze these quotations and bold remarks themselves then depict from your proof or in the future preparation of proof to then be satisfactory to these areas.

If what exactly happened lies within the framework of what the OP posted considering TMO hasn't yet exactly denied it, but rather enforced that their force was hindered/less than sufficient, then it would appear Sirken is indeed what he says he isn't. Cause it would appear no common sense was used in his ruling if in fact there was intention to keep the mob occupied after 20 minutes was up with an insufficient force thus resulting in garbage and grief being rewarded rather than dedication and skill.

So i think we are all curious where does this dude Sirken draw the line between acting normal and/or with blatant douchebaggery? Cause common sense generally is that you don't engage a raid mob just after being rezzed, especially if that is the state the rest of your raid is in not being able to give/receive buffs/heals let alone dps effectively.

Red GM changing rules that resulted in less RnF to rules that encourage more RnF than even times past. FTE > all, everybody... pure genius!

Bump

[bluejam]

this guy is hilarious, it's like he speaks without thinking lol
You must be new here. :)

[Autotune]

I'm stuck in a shed, i'm cold, starving and bleeding, anyone got bandages?

please :(

damn man, you gotta let me know your play times (in my timezone) so i can get with you and help you out.

[Daliant17447]

Is Day-Z worth it for the $30 for Arma II? Or should I just wait til it gets released as a stand alone game?

[Autotune]

Is Day-Z worth it for the $30 for Arma II? Or should I just wait til it gets released as a stand alone game?

um, prob just wait? It's fun no doubt if you got other people to run with. I picked it up for $17 and am pretty satisfied.

However, there is no hint to when the game will be standalone so you could wait awhile.

[Jacquouille]

um, prob just wait? It's fun no doubt if you got other people to run with. I picked it up for $17 and am pretty satisfied.

However, there is no hint to when the game will be standalone so you could wait awhile.

+1

Man I'm just fucking around for now, flared a group of guys and then got sniped hahaha was fun.

Waiting for my new laptop then im going serious (end of the month), until then my macbook can't manage the game too well :(

[Autotune]

+1

Man I'm just fucking around for now, flared a group of guys and then got sniped hahaha was fun.

Waiting for my new laptop then im going serious (end of the month), until then my macbook can't manage the game too well :(

we finally fixed up a heli and i got my cuz to drop me off on a building so no one can reach me from the ground. Now I get to sit around and snipe assholes till he comes back to get me lol

[xnolanx]

WTB - Server-wide agreed raid target spawn rotation

There was an effective one on The Rathe server that I played on back in live..

[bluejam]

well, you can only do one of three things:

a) keep raiding "casual"

b) keep raiding, but turn on the "hardcore" mode, but it'll burn you out unless you're unemployed or got no other interests that keep you occupied.

c) activate zerg mode. set up a rotation with every other guild that wants a shot at raid targets, set up a huge batphone for everyone in said guilds, come up with a TS (cus Vent is usually limited and/or expensive) and put people with basic leadership and organization skills in charge to lead "The Zerg"© --- slay dragons, share loot. talk to players who know how things work. don't have any bards that can kite fear for a quick draco whack? make 'em hone their skills a bit before you go in to clear fear for armor.

step up and raid the way this server demands or enforce a rotation.


100 player Gore kills? Murder VS with 70?

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/8/83784/1561135-trollface_small.jpg

[Daliant17447]

http://i.imgur.com/hokQV.jpg

Anyone ever get this or know how long this shit usually takes? Its been like 3 hours since I purchased the game. Fucking steam :mad: should have just gone to walmart

[Jacquouille]

hum wtf !!!???

THis is just weird, purchased just without any issue

[somnia]

Damn. Just damn.

[Slycen]

I remember when people fought over Vox/Naggy...

[Strifer]

=It is no longer necessary to have a force capable of killing raid mobs to receive loot. It is neither necessary to get exp on a kill to loot corpses. The only thing you have to do is get the first hit on a mob. I will post the proof below, and leave it to everyone else to discuss the direction in which they wish to take their FTE guilds.

TMO was awarded Trak loot by (GM) Sirken today after they disputed Trakanon. TMO wiped to Trak on a clean attempt with 27 people. BDA engaged Trak 20 minutes later with over 36 people. TMO had left Flippie (a monk) FD under Trakanon. Flippie then proceeded to pop back up and get the first hit on Trak when BDA went in to engage. TMO had 15 people rush in to hit Trakanon when BDA engaged. BDA group got exp. TMO looted 4 trak teeth, an SS BP, and bard guts with 15min left on Trak corpse before the GMs awarded the kill to TMO.

This is wonderful news. Guilds that could not consider themselves raiding guilds can now consider themselves FTE guilds. Everyone gets a shot.

Let it be known to all guilds that Trak is open game for FTE. I expect to see you all in seb within the next few days.

I hope I put forth the rules properly. Please feel free to clear up any ambiguities, GMs.

http://i.imgur.com/c3wkj.gif

[Autotune]

http://i.imgur.com/hokQV.jpg

Anyone ever get this or know how long this shit usually takes? Its been like 3 hours since I purchased the game. Fucking steam :mad: should have just gone to walmart

I've never seen that before. Have you tried googling it to see what it might be? Just might have to contact them and figure out what the prob is.

[KentalCowtipper]

It is no longer necessary to have a force capable of killing raid mobs to receive loot. It is neither necessary to get exp on a kill to loot corpses. The only thing you have to do is get the first hit on a mob. I will post the proof below, and leave it to everyone else to discuss the direction in which they wish to take their FTE guilds.

TMO was awarded Trak loot by (GM) Sirken today after they disputed Trakanon. TMO wiped to Trak on a clean attempt with 27 people. BDA engaged Trak 20 minutes later with over 36 people. TMO had left Flippie (a monk) FD under Trakanon. Flippie then proceeded to pop back up and get the first hit on Trak when BDA went in to engage. TMO had 15 people rush in to hit Trakanon when BDA engaged. BDA group got exp. TMO looted 4 trak teeth, an SS BP, and bard guts with 15min left on Trak corpse before the GMs awarded the kill to TMO.

This is wonderful news. Guilds that could not consider themselves raiding guilds can now consider themselves FTE guilds. Everyone gets a shot.

Let it be known to all guilds that Trak is open game for FTE. I expect to see you all in seb within the next few days.

I hope I put forth the rules properly. Please feel free to clear up any ambiguities, GMs.

Soloing dragons like a BOSS /flex

[Diggles]

EQClassic is gonna be in beta next year.

Soon you won't have to settle for a second rate classic experience any more.
nah, if i wanted cancer like EQClassic i'd just play on t00p's server

[Raavak]

Lol sorry, I was on Fennin Ro...where was TMO from again?

On E`ci a GM or guide told a raid at Seb zone-in they could not go to Trak's lair because the competing guild had *2* people down there prepping to attack it and we could not interfere with their "raid".

This stuff on P99 is so much better.

[azeth]

On E`ci a GM or guide told a raid at Seb zone-in they could not go to Trak's lair because the competing guild had *2* people down there prepping to attack it and we could not interfere with their "raid".

This stuff on P99 is so much better.

GMs/Guides must have operated completely by their own server rules. After hearing things like that, and in hindsight, Rodcet Nife must've been an outlier in regard to GM interference.

My guild illusioned everyone as Frogloks and proceeded to train the entire Ssra zone on a competing guild because they leap-frogged us on a Cursed attempt. Literally 0 repercussions from the GMs.

[India]

My guild illusioned everyone as Frogloks and proceeded to train the entire Ssra zone on a competing guild because they leap-frogged us on a Cursed attempt. Literally 0 repercussions from the GMs.

OMG hahahah I think I remember that, it was FoT against Forsaken!

[azeth]

OMG hahahah I think I remember that, it was FoT against Forsaken!

Lol yes, Forsaken my first guild-nemesis.

[India]

Well I have to say it wasn't so much the train that killed us as it was our own laughter. That was hilarious!!! I may still have some screenshots of that :)

[Alarti0001]

blah blah


Ya but when will you go live? May 2024?

[Eccezan]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/25247024.jpg

[quido]

He chose.... poorly.

[Autotune]

It will go live next year also.

Once the packet cracking stage is over, the server will come together fast.

There will finally be a truly classic everquest server out there soon. So go on and argue about your pixels and gm favoritism here all you want.

When you get tired of it there will be EQClassic that has no GM involvment and is based on an actual classic client.

yeah, I remember stuff like this getting posted when I first visited p99 forums.

It's always, "next year". Maybe one year you guys will actually be correct.

[baub]

yeah, I remember stuff like this getting posted when I first visited p99 forums.

It's always, "next year". Maybe one year you guys will actually be correct.

That's asking a lot.

I remember falling into the EQClassic trap, once I found out p99 existed it was like I was reborn

[AimAce]

Dunno why everyone is dissing EQC. Yes its kinda vaporware, and I'm not claiming its going to be better than p99 or anything, but for gods sake they are doing it for the community. I find it a bit silly that Mike is trying to advertise for it right now...esp in a way that implicates P99 in a negative light, but regardless, his douchieness in one aspect does not change the fact that EQC is meant to make people happy. Let him be.

[Alarti0001]

It will go live next year also.

Once the packet cracking stage is over, the server will come together fast.

There will finally be a truly classic everquest server out there soon. So go on and argue about your pixels and gm favoritism here all you want.

When you get tired of it there will be EQClassic that has no GM involvment and is based on an actual classic client.

Can you import my character here that I have built up since 2009? about 3 yrs now?

[AimAce]

Can you import my character here that I have built up since 2009? about 3 yrs now?

Terrible argument. If you believe that point, then why aren't you back on eqlive.

[Alarti0001]

Like poking a bee hive with TMO here lol

Spin it however you like, this server is too easy and not classic for many reasons.

The dev's lack the ability to fix many of the bugs.

There isn't an event logging system in place which allows Players and GM's (amelinda) to engage in RMT for months.

Retarded FTE rules in the raid scene etc etc.


The unfortunate reality is most players are content as long as mobs are swinging and they can hit back. A majority of players do not care about the accuracy of the game or how much easier it is than it should be; they just want to see and experience the things they remember and EQEmulator servers are more than willing to exploit this

Its also much harder in some places. Next?

[Greeedy]

Its also much harder in some places. Next?

Would you say that you are completely retarded, or only half?

[Alarti0001]

Would you say that you are completely retarded, or only half?

OOO I choose to disregard your fallacy of false dilemma and choose neither.

Maybe you could explain your statement or is name calling without reason all you can come up with?

[Greeedy]

You just answered the question, thanks.

[Smyd]

{didnt read the entire thread}

From my experience, i know the old school, die-hard EQ player loves EQ for the contest. Right? So how is this a contest? If a kill results in bickering with fellow players and GM's, how is that rewarding?
"I know you killed "X" but i got the first hit, so im entitled to the loot." What an accomplishment. fags.

I vote that free for all be implemented. Now imagine the contest... don't be anal beating hypocrites omg

[Rali]

Like poking a bee hive with TMO here lol

Spin it however you like, this server is too easy and not classic for many reasons.

The dev's lack the ability to fix many of the bugs.

There isn't an event logging system in place which allows Players and GM's (amelinda) to engage in RMT for months.

Retarded FTE rules in the raid scene etc etc.


The unfortunate reality is most players are content as long as mobs are swinging and they can hit back. A majority of players do not care about the accuracy of the game or how much easier it is than it should be; they just want to see and experience the things they remember and EQEmulator servers are more than willing to exploit this

Hi Flunklesnarkin! ;)

[Eashan3.0]

<----- Pro Nazi

[sedrie.bellamie]

all these situations are when the mob window is very near closing. VS and Trak have never had ANY competition from BDA when they were "fresh" in the window. BDA only shows up for the last 12-6 hours of a mob's window. Then BDA has the nerve to complain about GM decisions. Sorry no 15 on the spawn for your pooopsock you have to pay attention and not just AFK. BDA can almost do whatever they want b/c it is TMO who are the bad guys in the GMs eyes. So what does BDA do with their position? Crybaby themselves out of a forum and earn no general respect from the server population. Why is Divinity making a resurgence? Why is Asgard growing? TMO has closed app to anyone not 60 with raid gear so unless you want to join the crybabies in BDA you might as well join Divinity or Asgard. Those RAID guilds do raids without crying to the GMs. As always I hope the VD/IB guys BDA has was really worth the black eye they have received from teaming up with such a class act.

[Amxdark]

a 13 year old boy whose parents never loved him.



i was once this boy :(