GLOBAL ooc/auction. Poll time.

[mitic]

i already have a hard enough time finding groups :\ this will pretty much force me to solo. shrug oh well.

removing /ooc wont change anything in your case

id start to search for groups actively and not passive. not being anon with lfg flag activated helps too

[Omnimorph]

I have relatively small windows on my ui (although i do have 5 of them) and with the spam fest lately where it's impossible to read someones 4 line ooc before the next one comes, i've decided to vote for it to be removed.

Looking at it, there's advantages for both removing it and keeping it.

[dali_lb]

Voted Yes. Both because of the nuiscence that ooc is being used as a social/political/flaming/random crap playground, and because of the LFG system is practically not being used by ANYone. Tried the basic old school /lfg on and the more advanced interface of the titanium client and NOone is using it. They'd rather spam OOC that many of us has already put to a small window to ignore it or only look at it when your looking for something.

On the other hand I don't see how it changes alot, since people will still be able to make usermade channels you can join, oh wait .. yes the problem is people is too lazy to either filter the ooc or just put it to a small window if they are annoyed with it

Since the devs are so concerned with classical feel, I think its time to just remove those global channels, but I honestly would rather see that some concerns was put into trying to make stuff like caster NPC's act Classic and try to come up with a usable fix to the resist problems with the client and npc's.

[raff01]

screw global OOC and AUCTION. once upon a time, adventurers made the long journey to EC tunnel and Freeport just to find goods, now they can just browse while deep in their nearby dungeon.
That is NOT classic.

[Zordana]

/anonymous or /role for them

let's get back to how we restore my old rogue gear for a more "classic" feel.

cof, rbb, full woven shadow.

roleplaying --> / all 50 cleric shows me all roleplaying 50 clerics, that would need to be changed :)

[Zordana]

i dont know what you guys are doing wrong, i always find groups or make them myself oO

[Ermonican]

Wish I could change my vote after reading some of these posts!

[Kuron]

Ordinarily I would vote to keep OOC/AUC zone-specific. Then I think back to all the rare opportunities I got to take advantage of because they are currently global. I've gotten lightning-fast groups, insane deals on items, rotting gear for free, navigation and countless tips and bits of information.

Instead of disabling it, especially since I can turn it off for myself at any time, I'd simply like to see it more strictly enforced. This doesn't necessarily mean more people watching it, though it certainly could. I feel it is more prudent to devise harsher punishment for those that abuse it. Make the consequences well-known on the forums and the rule set for this server.

For me there are far too many benefits to OOC and AUC being global, and in return for these benefits I obey a simple "don't be a dick" etiquette that a lot of other people seem to ignore.

[razgal]

I voted to keep it as it is.I like it some days /ooc is full of complete BS other days its full of interesting conversations or helpful advice for new players as well as old .The way it is currently if i feel like reading /ooc I read it if i don't i don't its my choice to read it or not. when someone is looking for a rez or some other buffs /shout works just fine for communicating with in the zone .

As far as /auction its a handy tool just how it is sure i can see an item for sale half way across the game world but i did not miss the opportunity .many sellers or buyers list the area they are in so you know before hand were the items are located and you have to decide for yourself if its worth the trip to get it.

In the end EQ is about community and as it stands currently i can talk to and be heard by the entire community reviving helpful advice and giving of it to the entire community not just the small group of people that are in my zone. Yes i could just do that within my guild but the server is more then just my guild its everyone and thats all part of why this server is so great. Sure theirs the ppl that will abuse the system but I don't wish to have it removed because a small handful of people dont behave .

In the end the Project Manager's will do as they see best for the server but as i said id prefer things to remain as they are the community as a whole seems stronger that way to me .People still use /who all lfg to find ppl looking for a grp and that item you want to buy well you still will need to make the trip to freeport area most of the time to get it .

Plus even if a porter or rezer is /anon they can see someone asking for a port or a rez and make the choice to zone over and help or not but its their choice in the end to do it or not .

[Stickyfingers]

I voted no. Mainly because, even though there were 700 people on, there are still too few people per zone IMO. You would need a constant 1000 or so IMO.

[Theldios]

I voted yes with a suggerstion. Make standard ooc zone only but why not make a global channel that people can join or leave as they please or as needed to use.

[Malrubius]

Per-zone.

Global channels are like PoK stones for conversation.

Global OOC/Auction is IMO the most glaring non-classic item on the server (with the possible exception of boats). I hate making excuses for it when I try to get my old guildies to come to the server.

[utenan]

Ordinarily I would vote to keep OOC/AUC zone-specific. Then I think back to all the rare opportunities I got to take advantage of because they are currently global. I've gotten lightning-fast groups, insane deals on items, rotting gear for free, navigation and countless tips and bits of information.

Your first paragraph kind of sums up why I don't like global channels. When you get rid of the challenge, risk, and time spent on geting something ( groups, drops ), it is less meaningful and less rewarding IMO, and that is one thing that EQ had that most other games lack.

[Nedala]

I hate making excuses for it when I try to get my old guildies to come to the server.

yeah, me too :(

[Cevel]

For those crying that global ooc is not classic get over it. Roegan did a kick ass job in making it as classic as possible and enjoyable. If you don't like the /ooc spam... turn it off and wipe your vagina... There are too many people that don't play this game every waking hour and only have limited time to play... It is still very likely for me to log on with ~230 people online and when EQ first came out the numbers were in the thousands... I'm sorry but even when 500 people are online, usually only 5-10 of those people are lfg in the lower levels. Like someone mentioned before, i would bet money the people wanting /ooc off are the ones already in the higher levels & in a guild. It just doesn't make sense to only want that aspect taken out when many other things aren't 100% classic. Plain and simple there are still not enough people on at any given hour.

[utenan]

For those crying that global ooc is not classic get over it. Roegan did a kick ass job in making it as classic as possible and enjoyable. If you don't like the /ooc spam... turn it off and wipe your vagina... There are too many people that don't play this game every waking hour and only have limited time to play... It is still very likely for me to log on with ~230 people online and when EQ first came out the numbers were in the thousands... I'm sorry but even when 500 people are online, usually only 5-10 of those people are lfg in the lower levels. Like someone mentioned before, i would bet money the people wanting /ooc off are the ones already in the higher levels & in a guild. It just doesn't make sense to only want that aspect taken out when many other things aren't 100% classic. Plain and simple there are still not enough people on at any given hour.

Let me read this piece by piece. First off, "get over it" statement, the same could be said to people who want global ooc to stay in (the minority atm). Yes, The devs have done an awesome job in recreating classic eq. Insult, insult. Personal situation. Irrational generalization (Im a 28 shaman, no guild). There are some non classic features still, but some of them cannot be changed, like item links, the sky graphic, the compass ( I think ). But there are still things that the devs have complete control of, like global channels, that are not classic and can be removed. They do, however, have no control over the population, and can only hope for the best there. Sorry for the ass-hole remark, through this wholde debate ive tried to be nice and respectful, some people go about it a different way though, thought I'd try it out : p

[Kuron]

Your first paragraph kind of sums up why I don't like global channels. When you get rid of the challenge, risk, and time spent on geting something ( groups, drops ), it is less meaningful and less rewarding IMO, and that is one thing that EQ had that most other games lack.

I agree with you completely, but I think EQ is still completely it's own creature among MMOs. While it's easier to get the information via the global channels - saying something and doing something are two different things, most of all in EQ. You still have to work for your goodies.

You might know where something spawns, or even how to make it spawn, but that doesn't eliminate the step where you'll have to sit there for 32 hours and fend off camp thieves just to see a PH pop, or for it to drop something you don't want.

That, I feel, is what separates EQ from other games. Not the lack of communication, but the dedication necessary to accomplish something with the information you receive.

For me, the only thing that sours OOC are the idiots.

[nilbog]

For those crying that global ooc is not classic get over it. Roegan did a kick ass job in making it as classic as possible and enjoyable. If you don't like the /ooc spam... turn it off and wipe your vagina... .

It is hard for me to continue reading past this point. I do not like the ooc spam, and I'm responsible for the classic content you play.

It was never an issue of whether or not it would be kept permanently. It was *when* it would be turned off. When enough people are on, it can turn into a gigantic wall of scrolling gibberish. That's non-classic.

Let me spin a tale for you. If little "Johnny" had spent 2 more hours in Tox Forest learning how to play his character, without hearing the ooc spam of free PL session in Qeynos, you might have a better Wizard in your Guk group. If not *every* item was for sale, all the time, you might get excited by an item drop. It is supposed to be immersive.

There are too many people that don't play this game every waking hour and only have limited time to play.This argument didn't work in classic and still doesn't work now.

It just doesn't make sense to only want that aspect taken out when many other things aren't 100% classic.Are you implying that we have a giant ready-made list of classic material, just ready to implement? We slowly fix things as we can, and the game will continue to get more classic as you go. Or maybe you have these fixes ready to go for us. Oh goody goody. I'm guessing not though :(

Your statement would then make sense, to argue that since not everything is 100% classic, that we shouldn't remove non classic things. Start reporting non-classic elements, provide fixes for them, or I don't see how it is relevant.

[Lazortag]

I voted no, mainly because I think that there are decent arguments for both sides but those wanting change haven't met their burden of proof, so things should stay the same.

Still, if things were to change I wouldn't commit suicide, unlike some people.

[RWARP]

Say goodbye to ever:
finding gear,
Finding groups.
Finding rezzes
Finding ports,
Getting help if you're new and stuck in nektulos,
Finding help in general,
Finding someone to summon your corpse thats stuck in a gigantic vat of lava,
I'm sure I am missing more.

OOC can go for all i care but auction needs to stay.

[Zordana]

Say goodbye to ever:
finding gear -> EC? wtf..
Finding groups -> LFG? wtf..
Finding rezzes -> /who + /tell? wtf..
Finding ports -> /who + /tell? wtf..
Getting help if you're new and stuck in nektulos -> you can still use /ooc to ask in your zone?
Finding help in general -> there is still the forum or you can /tell someone for help
Finding someone to summon your corpse thats stuck in a gigantic vat of lava --> and again there is /who + /tell
I'm sure I am missing more.

OOC can go for all i care but auction needs to stay.


fixed

[Cevel]

I was not here at the release of P99. With a population in getting into the 100s you guys thought it would be good to use /ooc to help with many apsects & 1 in particular being grouping. Ok i understand you eventually wanted to take that out and I get that. But for example using a level 20 toon-- /who all lfg 20 30.... 10 people will show up 15 if you are lucky... how is that different from the low population you guys started with in the beginning??? Our population is growing and i think it is awesome Rogean and crew are doing such a great job in making this an enjoyable game-- but even with 700ish people the level distribution is still too spread out

I am disappointed people take advantage of /ooc for personal chatter & i am not going to try to pretend i have a solution for that... for the most part you guys controlled spam from the level 1 wizard Wwwwivlvlviwuuii that would fly thru the chat screen--from my understanding i thought that to be more of a problem than anything... but why are people so against /ooc -- it is so helpful for lower levels getting groups outside of their current zone...

Nil you nailed my point i wanted to express-- P99 has non classic things in this game.. so what.. this game cannot become 100% classic so why take out anything non classic now??? people are happy with the game play-- the population is growing-- if we take out /ooc are people going to protest item linking, not being able to box, boat system?

[RWARP]

good luck finding no anon clerics , wizzies, and druids who don't want to be bugged by people and hell necros too.

Guess your /who theory goes out the line there.

[Zordana]

good luck finding no anon clerics , wizzies, and druids who don't want to be bugged by people and hell necros too.

Guess your /who theory goes out the line there.

like i mentioned already, like it is now, anonymous players (or at last the roleplaying ones) are listed!

[Zithax]

hey guys are you aware ooc can be turned off

[Ravenwind]

I vote keep it, hard enough finding a group as it is. the server doesn't have the people for zone only ooc

[nilbog]

hey guys are you aware ooc can be turned off

Yes, global ooc. We can turn it off. There are poll options at the top.

If you're implying people should turn off their own ooc, then I disagree with you.

[Beau]

Ooc/auction has NOTHING to do with the difficulty of finding groups. The server could drop to 100 people tomorrow and it would still have absolutely zero effect on it. Group issues are due to class oversaturation/availabitly, and highly desired exp zones/camps being unavailable due to present groups or farmers. It has zero to do with the use of global chat. If people are depending on ooc/auction for groups thats their own misfortune. My suggestion is if you are really that hard up for exp and typical group targets and assets are unavailble then make an unconventional group and take it to an unconventional spot. Without global /ooc classic servers would have outdoor zones(karanas) populated with pick up groups doing just fine. (reavers/aviaks/gnolls/etc) What /ooc has fostered was the desire to only hunt in zones that are suggested as the most lucrative leaving any sort of classic pick up grouping out. Again, just because you cant find a group in oasis or unrest , or guk or wherever, does not mean you cant put something together and progress.

Classic everquest was not a bunch of EQ experts only farming what they knew from years of experience to be worthwhile. If the argument is to help new people, then help them by letting them enjoy classic everyquest for themselves. Cut the training wheels.

[ulrich]

I will restate what I said earlier.

Look at the peoples post count against it. They are 1 , 2 and 3's. They are making new accounts to vote no. They are making new accounts to state their opinions under different names again and again. There is no argument to keeping ooc besides you want a huge chat room. In this chat you can say perverted things, political things, harass people, and get attention etc etc.

There will be more people making friends within their zones for help. Within their guilds.
There is a /who all . There is also the /lfg tool for group and ports.
In my memory the druids and wizards would port to each ring / spire and also bind in popular zones. Than they would /shout selling ports to bb , nk etc etc.

[Kainzo]

The SWGemu.com emulated server put a very similar poll, instead of removing global ooc/auc.... they were voting to wipe the server clean char/items etc.

Needless to say, on both sides, the adamant few kept making new accounts to vote no or yes.


Will the admin hold new registrations on these polls? or not allow you to vote unless you have X post counts?

[Kainzo]

:cool:I vote keep it, hard enough finding a group as it is. the server doesn't have the people for zone only ooc

Global OOC has never helped me find a group. PERIOD.

I find groups by going to the zone or making friends with people and then starting a group by sending them DIRECT tells.

"No more groups" is not a plausible cause to vote no.

[Zordana]

i read somethin earlier today like "when This and That came, everquest got easy, thats why i quit" - i know many people thinking that way and the only PRO to global ooc i read here is to make things easier... we dont want things easy, or else we would play WOW or such..

i see so many reasons to NOT have it global, but only one reason to keep it, and that is in short form "make it easier" .. do not want :)

[nilbog]

The SWGemu.com emulated server put a very similar poll, instead of removing global ooc/auc.... they were voting to wipe the server clean char/items etc.

Needless to say, on both sides, the adamant few kept making new accounts to vote no or yes.


Will the admin hold new registrations on these polls? or not allow you to vote unless you have X post counts?

Its an opinion poll. Just like any other internet poll, it shouldn't be taken as a voting booth. In the end, we'll go with what feels right. This is a way for everyone to get their thoughts out there.

[President]

Its an opinion poll. Just like any other internet poll, it shouldn't be taken as a voting booth. In the end, we'll go with what feels right. This is a way for everyone to get their thoughts out there.

It's pretty silly do take a poll if you are going to do whatever you want anyway. There's about 5 threads in the general chat that have been going on for months that sum up every thought posted here.

[Kainzo]

Its an opinion poll. Just like any other internet poll, it shouldn't be taken as a voting booth. In the end, we'll go with what feels right. This is a way for everyone to get their thoughts out there.

It's good that is stated up front. Some places don't value people's opinions and thus suffer greatly.

In the end, global ooc/auc on or off, people will STILL play and the server POP will STILL go up.

[Kainzo]

It's pretty silly do take a poll if you are going to do whatever you want anyway. There's about 5 threads in the general chat that have been going on for months that sum up every thought posted here.

Hi, polls are taken because the leaders (aka devs/project managers) want to have a FEEL for which way they want to go.

Do you know how many "opinion" polls exist in america today? Dear christ.

[nilbog]

It's pretty silly do take a poll if you are going to do whatever you want anyway. There's about 5 threads in the general chat that have been going on for months that sum up every thought posted here.

What is the point of you even saying this?

Cool I guess. Some people want to respond to a post made by a developer.

It's silly for you to be silly.

[Beau]

It's a nice courtesy i think. If the polls came up like 500/100 in opposition to the developers' predetermined opinions it might even hold sway, so even though it's not official voting, it is still a nice courtesy.

[Jesikah]

I voted for global ooc/auction. But id take it back if there was a /join general channel or /trade channel to join. Not sure if that is classic or not though I started in luclin era.

[r0xx0r]

tbh, it shouldn't be voted on - but i guess that's just me, the server is going for the current state of the game, be it classic, kunark, or velious- so hell yeah, out with the shit that dont' belong. (that is saying that it can be changed) i really believe that if folks are gonna leave because of it being removed. They won't be missed- Go back to wow, ultima online trammel land, or maybe try out EZ server i heard you start with epics there...

hey hey /rant off

manhatten

[Kainzo]

It is not classic Jesikah, though the /join function was great for CLASS discussions, pally/tank etc.. We used that extensive cross servers for the lead of their classes to discuss problems / bugs etc.

tbh, it shouldn't be voted on - but i guess that's just me, the server is going for the current state of the game, be it classic, kunark, or velious- so hell yeah, out with the shit that dont' belong. (that is saying that it can be changed) i really believe that if folks are gonna leave because of it being removed. They won't be missed- Go back to wow, ultima online trammel land, or maybe try out EZ server i heard you start with epics there...

hey hey /rant off

manhatten

Hey Manhatten, your internet ever get fixed from yesterday?

[r0xx0r]

still in the loops, oh how i wish i had google, even if it is evil! (refering to internet malf.)

[darwinain]

Why don't we drop global ooc/auction for a week or two on a trial basis and then have another poll to see if anyone has changed their minds?

--Dar

[stormlord]

This poll should have had a 3rd option:
"Yes, if and when the population is higher (ex: 1000)."

That was what the last poll did and it was more representative. I haven't even voted in this one.

Nilbog made a post that when it was 200, people wanted 500, and now that it's 700, people still want more. He implied we'll always want more. Well, servers during live had 1500-2500, maybe 1000+ average. That's an absolute. My thinking is 1000 would be a good number to shoot for because these days it's easier to use forums, network, we have item links and people have more knowledge of the game that they can share with others. So I don't think we need 2000+ max or 1000+ average to have a sufficient population. Furthermore, a lot of people playing at project1999 came here explicitly because this is classic, this is THE game! Global auctioning is not their top priority. In other words, the loss of it would not be a huge gamble or huge loss.

Like someone else here said, global chat is to conversation as pok books are to travel. They trivialize elements of classic eq that helped to make it unique, despite how controversial the elements are in other games. We have a tremendous advantage compared to 1999 because of global chat and auctioning. I tried to find a middle ground by making a thread about filtering global chat (while allowing people to still use global chat) to remedy this in the meantime until we have sufficient population to approximate the conditions of that era.

Have to also give attention to the spam in /ooc and /auction (when everyone on the server is using them, it fills up the window fast) and the auctions that are on the other side of the world (people don't say where they're most of the time and you might not be able to travel that far). A filtering mechanism would address this.

[Astropunk]

I voted yes. 700+ population is way more than necessary to remove it. I'm tired of seeing the same 25 people talk every night about nothing of any value, and yet they use the ports and lfg as reasons to keep it (I get groups and ports just fine without it). Trying to sell things is really annoying with global auction because you get tells from lowbies uninterested in the item far away asking how much is it worth.

But even if I wasn't constantly annoyed by both global chats I would vote yes. What is provided here is an emu classic everquest server and in classic everquest there was no global chat. The guy who is too lazy to look up how to get keyz in Paineel and there isn't someone there to help him, doesn't get to make an evil erudite.

[eqdruid76]

I voted yes. 700+ population is way more than necessary to remove it. I'm tired of seeing the same 25 people talk every night about nothing of any value, and yet they use the ports and lfg as reasons to keep it (I get groups and ports just fine without it). Trying to sell things is really annoying with global auction because you get tells from lowbies uninterested in the item far away asking how much is it worth.

But even if I wasn't constantly annoyed by both global chats I would vote yes. What is provided here is an emu classic everquest server and in classic everquest there was no global chat. The guy who is too lazy to look up how to get keyz in Paineel and there isn't someone there to help him, doesn't get to make an evil erudite.

This. The game should be completely unplayable by the lazy , the flaky, and the self-entitled. I don't mind losing that demographic of players one bit, even if we end up with 50 players left on the server. Which we won't of course, because the most vocal proponents will continue to play the game and find something to complain about every step of the way...

[eqdruid76]

It's pretty silly do take a poll if you are going to do whatever you want anyway. There's about 5 threads in the general chat that have been going on for months that sum up every thought posted here.

Q Q

[Phallax]

Oh I love the people pulling the "well the majority wants it" the votes are nearing 500 and the polls is only spread by 30, while it is majority its a slim line. I could see your "majority" arguement if it were say 400 v 100

[President]

Please take out tells while people are zoning, and item links too, those aren't classic. They totally ruin my immersion.

[nilbog]

Please take out tells while people are zoning, and item links too, those aren't classic. They totally ruin my immersion.

This is a poll about global ooc/auction. Take your other topics elsewhere. I'm sure people have a lot to say about them as well.

[President]

This is a poll about global ooc/auction. Take your other topics elsewhere. I'm sure people have a lot to say about them as well.

I'm obviously not requesting those to be removed. I am just making the point that the "it's not classic" reason is invalid.

[Tallenn]

What about the idea (not mine, but I like it) of turning them off on a trial basis: say 2 weeks or a month, then running another poll to see how people are liking it?

[President]

What about the idea (not mine, but I like it) of turning them off on a trial basis: say 2 weeks or a month, then running another poll to see how people are liking it?

Although this is a decent idea the poll is probably going to result somewhat the same.

It should probably just get removed, though I highly doubt we are going to see anything like EC/NFP/GFAY back in the day. In fact it might discourage new players as items to buy will become far harder than it currently is, or it was in classic. Regardless of where people gather, we will not see(with the current pop) the 100-200+ people trading in a zone like there was in classic. Having to run to a zone to see <50 people selling items and not find what your looking for will be discouraging.

[Cevel]

the polls are starting to even up....the idea that 1 person is creating many accounts to try and swing their poll is a bit sad...

Why can't we just have the mentality... "if it's not broken...why fix it?"

The server continues to grow more and more every week with global /ooc. Everyone is enjoying themselves.... everyone has benefited from from /ooc and i will call any of you out saying you have NEVER used /ooc to find a group.. /ooc has been very helpful for finding groups...no it's not the only way but yes it is useful

[Smoo]

I voted No , I would like it to stay at least for now until he population increases quite a bit more. I feel it adds a sense of community and with a lot of new folks coming this feature will surely help.. while I know it's not classic, I do feel like this is a worthwhile change to the game and it will only help new people coming on to feel and get to know their new community better. I know it helped me...

Thanks

Jobobarina The Mage !

Wrathful Inquisition

[eqdruid76]

Oh I love the people pulling the "well the majority wants it" the votes are nearing 500 and the polls is only spread by 30, while it is majority its a slim line. I could see your "majority" arguement if it were say 400 v 100

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Inflected Form(s): plural ma·jor·i·ties
Date: 1552
1 obsolete : the quality or state of being greater
2 a : the age at which full civil rights are accorded b : the status of one who has attained this age
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[Cevel]

This server is to duplicate what was Classic | Kunark | Veilous.

All of these were part of the game, aside from global ooc/auc.

Get a grip and stop being an annoying tool.


And wrong...

[eqdruid76]

the polls are starting to even up....the idea that 1 person is creating many accounts to try and swing their poll is a bit sad...

Why can't we just have the mentality... "if it's not broken...why fix it?"

The server continues to grow more and more every week with global /ooc. Everyone is enjoying themselves.... everyone has benefited from from /ooc and i will call any of you out saying you have NEVER used /ooc to find a group.. /ooc has been very helpful for finding groups...no it's not the only way but yes it is useful

The question is not its usefulness. The question is why set out to emulate Everquest, as it existed in 1999, with a chat system that emulates changes from 2002.

Spoiled brats.....

[ulrich]

A bunch of trolls mad that they might not be as famous because they spam ooc all the time.

[Phallax]

Main Entry: ma·jor·i·ty
Pronunciation: \mə-ˈjȯr-ə-tē, -ˈjär-\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural ma·jor·i·ties
Date: 1552
1 obsolete : the quality or state of being greater
2 a : the age at which full civil rights are accorded b : the status of one who has attained this age
3 a : a number or percentage equaling more than half of a total <a majority of voters> <a two-thirds majority> b : the excess of a majority over the remainder of the total : margin <won by a majority of 10 votes> c : the greater quantity or share <the majority of the time>
4 : the group or political party having the greater number of votes (as in a legislature)
5 : the military office, rank, or commission of a major

— majority adjective

Webster's Dictionary

You obviously didnt get the point...go nerd it up else where

[Phallax]

A bunch of trolls mad that they might not be as famous because they spam ooc all the time.

Lol so true

[Cevel]

yo eqdruid

with that kind of thinking why not take everything nonclassical then??

[Jairen]

i voted to keep it.

many people look back on the game from 11 years ago with very rose coloured glasses, myself included. I think there is something positive in the game that it was magical for many of us back then...and that magic is still there, but simply put, we can't remember it exactly, no ones memory is perfect, so if some things are different for the better (in which i do feel this is for the better) I don't see an issue with it. There will always be spammers etc. But the server population is small enough that global is a greater help than hindrance....I know tons of people that want to pretend they are on dial up again....but I can't. I came from too many cold efficient mmo's where no one chats or bs's while grinding... I like having an active and chatty community, in fact that is what i downright missed from eq.

keep it.

[RWARP]

I will restate what I said earlier.

Look at the peoples post count against it. They are 1 , 2 and 3's. They are making new accounts to vote no. They are making new accounts to state their opinions under different names again and again. There is no argument to keeping ooc besides you want a huge chat room. In this chat you can say perverted things, political things, harass people, and get attention etc etc.

There will be more people making friends within their zones for help. Within their guilds.
There is a /who all . There is also the /lfg tool for group and ports.
In my memory the druids and wizards would port to each ring / spire and also bind in popular zones. Than they would /shout selling ports to bb , nk etc etc.

No I just don't post here cause these forums are shit.

[r0xx0r]

I am betting you that 50% if not more of the folks that voted yes also wanna see PoK added, it ain't classic get over it, I wouldn't want the results changed were we to get 1000 more ppl than now or even less, it's a pre-luclin server, shouldn't even be up for discussion. show us some links to patch notes or what not that show any form of global chat (excluding party/guild chat) and folks QQ about the global chat being brought down wouldn't get flamed, and again there would still be no discussion on it. I, along with many others I've met- joined this server because they're attempting to recreated the old eq, the one we miss, the one we loved. For better or worse, can I get a Hell Yeah?! Ask yourself why you really joined the server. I hear most say, to have fun, well isn't a difficult game fun? if you answer no- refer to WoW. If you answer yes, this form of eq is harder than most others I've seen. I really like the fact that the server wants to be as close to the real thing as possible (old eq, pre-luclin) so hats off to the devs. To hell with these lil' QQ trammelites. Remove and lets never discuss it again! Huzzah

no i can't hit <return>

manhatten

[nilbog]

The opinion poll has given me exactly what I needed to hear so far.

[Phallax]

I am betting you that 50% if not more of the folks that voted yes also wanna see PoK added, it ain't classic get over it, I wouldn't want the results changed were we to get 1000 more ppl than now or even less, it's a pre-luclin server, shouldn't even be up for discussion. show us some links to patch notes or what not that show any form of global chat (excluding party/guild chat) and folks QQ about the global chat being brought down wouldn't get flamed, and again there would still be no discussion on it. I, along with many others I've met- joined this server because they're attempting to recreated the old eq, the one we miss, the one we loved. For better or worse, can I get a Hell Yeah?! Ask yourself why you really joined the server. I hear most say, to have fun, well isn't a difficult game fun? if you answer no- refer to WoW. If you answer yes, this form of eq is harder than most others I've seen. I really like the fact that the server wants to be as close to the real thing as possible (old eq, pre-luclin) so hats off to the devs. To hell with these lil' QQ trammelites. Remove and lets never discuss it again! Huzzah

no i can't hit <return>

manhatten

trammelites lol nice UO reference =P <3 you wang

[Jairen]

I am betting you that 50% if not more of the folks that voted yes also wanna see PoK added, it ain't classic get over it, I wouldn't want the results changed were we to get 1000 more ppl than now or even less, it's a pre-luclin server, shouldn't even be up for discussion. show us some links to patch notes or what not that show any form of global chat (excluding party/guild chat) and folks QQ about the global chat being brought down wouldn't get flamed, and again there would still be no discussion on it. I, along with many others I've met- joined this server because they're attempting to recreated the old eq, the one we miss, the one we loved. For better or worse, can I get a Hell Yeah?! Ask yourself why you really joined the server. I hear most say, to have fun, well isn't a difficult game fun? if you answer no- refer to WoW. If you answer yes, this form of eq is harder than most others I've seen. I really like the fact that the server wants to be as close to the real thing as possible (old eq, pre-luclin) so hats off to the devs. To hell with these lil' QQ trammelites. Remove and lets never discuss it again! Huzzah

no i can't hit <return>

manhatten

this is the only thing i don't care for...while i like ooc, whether it stays or goes has no tangible effect on my desire to play the game.... and yes I hated PoK and that was the point that i felt the game was ruined.

what i don't care for is this whole... slagging people for having opinions different than yours.

that goes for both sides of the argument. I do remember the eq community being much more friendly back when i started in 99. this whole QQ you are wrong go play wow thing... and whatever is being thrown back is a bit tiresome.

and for the record, i am not a multiple account ;p I have one character named after my account and only started a few days ago.

anyway enough with the back and forth slinging, seriously, is it THAT big of a deal either way?

[r0xx0r]

I do apologize as I was referring to the folks that were qq'ing, I'm just hard up on following what the devs were set out on doing. Had a few discussions with folks that said they'd quit if it was removed, or no rez's for anyone that votes yes etc.. that's the qq I was talking about. Yeah heated lil' manhatten showing the red face >_<

Really hope it's no contest on if the devs should make eq the way it was, or the way some think it should be.


manhatten

[Zithax]

Yes, global ooc. We can turn it off. There are poll options at the top.

If you're implying people should turn off their own ooc, then I disagree with you.

Why? It's such an obvious solution. People would rather be part of the problem though, it seems.

[ulrich]

Zithax: If you turn it off you have a disadvantage of buying items.

If you turn it on you have to deal with the spam and political/ sex talk that makes people lose their immersion.

3rd global ooc was not classic. THIS IS A CLASSIC SERVER! They try to make it as classic as possible. Some things are built into the client and CAN"T be changed!!!<<<< Some bugs should never have been in game. example trumpy tonic quest...

I hope this answered your statement. :P

[Zithax]

Zithax: If you turn it off you have a disadvantage of buying items.

If you turn it on you have to deal with the spam and political/ sex talk that makes people lose their immersion.

3rd global ooc was not classic. THIS IS A CLASSIC SERVER! They try to make it as classic as possible. Some things are built into the client and CAN"T be changed!!!<<<< Some bugs should never have been in game. example trumpy tonic quest...

I hope this answered your statement. :P

auction can be turned off/on too? Not sure what you're saying.

also lets force everyone to use velious ui and lowest resolutions

see what I did there

[nilbog]

auction can be turned off/on too? Not sure what you're saying.

also lets force everyone to use velious ui and lowest resolutions

see what I did there

If I could force everyone to use the earliest UI client, with the oldest game mechanics, and graphics, I would.

[JayDee]

Remove global ooc

And answer my petition (pls =O)!

[r0xx0r]

If I could force everyone to use the earliest UI client, with the oldest game mechanics, and graphics, I would.

HELL YES!!!!!

[eqdruid76]

If I could force everyone to use the earliest UI client, with the oldest game mechanics, and graphics, I would.

That gave me a raging semi....

[Zordana]

If I could force everyone to use the earliest UI client, with the oldest game mechanics, and graphics, I would.

this would be very very bad, very very very bad :>
at last the UI thing if you mean this UI:

http://www.arch-overseers.com/download/file.php?id=46&t=1

[Yoite]

it would be sweet to use that UI again

[Beau]

With a spell book covering the rest of the screen til 35$

[Malrubius]

Aww man - that would be the best. I still remember the rush I got at level 35. Love that UI. Very very very very good.

[Nedala]

Yeah i like classic and all, also voted for ooc to be removed. But the first ui and the "stare at your spellbock" thing is just too much imo. Im very very happy this is not the case here. Also i dont see any problems with item-links, they just make the auc channel less spam.

[Intricus]

I think the oldest UI is hideous, would rather have the modern graphics I have now opposed to '99 graphics, would rather not have to stare at my spell book to med, and will probably vote 'no' to keep /ooc and /auction worldwide...but if all of these are changed to be just like true classic EQ, then so be it. And as convenient as item links are, I really woulden't mind seeing them done away with too.

On that note, I really hope that rumors such as Luclin models being useable sometime in the near future are bullshit, and will never happen on here.

[Corvin Headbanger]

I voted no i like being able to form groups and sell items from any zone. not everything has to be classic for everyone to have fun. I think if you got rid of the global chat people would quickly quit due to the difficulty in finding a group or the forums would turn into a lfg site. If you do choose to get rid of the global chat could you keep a global lfg channel please? If you people dont like spam i dunno why you dont just filter /ooc chat into a different box of its own.

[Zordana]

thers only 2 things i hate about this UI (besides those id even use it)
there is only 1 chat window (hate dis! do not want only 1)
and the small view, i need 3rd person with a big overview.. well i dont need.. i want! )

[r0xx0r]

I voted no i like being able to form groups and sell items from any zone. not everything has to be classic for everyone to have fun. I think if you got rid of the global chat people would quickly quit due to the difficulty in finding a group or the forums would turn into a lfg site. If you do choose to get rid of the global chat could you keep a global lfg channel please? If you people dont like spam i dunno why you dont just filter /ooc chat into a different box of its own.

they have an irc i do believe.

[Zordana]

they have an irc i do believe.

but but but.. there is /lfg and / all lfg?
i never had problems making groups or finding groups this way..
if theres a group i really wanna join which is full, i ask for a spot on the list, then wait or even play an alt until my spot opens.. <3

[r0xx0r]

true that, maybe without a ooc global, it'll force ppl to actually play their class and make friends. SHOCKING i know

[jilena]

true that, maybe without a ooc global, it'll force ppl to actually play their class and make friends. SHOCKING i know

Don't think that will matter. I think it will encourage more people to box though! lol

/LFG is not classic.

Also I think "classic classic" i.e. when the game came out, is spellbook to 50 no? Of course I understand this is due to client limitations : P

[stormlord]

Ok i made my choice. I voted no because i don't think the population is high enough.

[Phallax]

Don't think that will matter. I think it will encourage more people to box though! lol

/LFG is not classic.

Also I think "classic classic" i.e. when the game came out, is spellbook to 50 no? Of course I understand this is due to client limitations : P

nah was always to 35

[r0xx0r]

Don't think that will matter. I think it will encourage more people to box though! lol

/LFG is not classic.

Also I think "classic classic" i.e. when the game came out, is spellbook to 50 no? Of course I understand this is due to client limitations : P

ya, i wouldnt' mind seeing /lfg removed at all, cuz it wasn't in pre-luclin eq that I recall, and too bad they can't force the client UI would be awesome imho.

[Cydex]

Voted "YES! I want ooc/auction to be per zone only" mainly because /ooc was scrolling so fast tonight most of the time, I couldn't read what was being said before it scrolled off my screen anyway.

Although, I would be in favor of implementing the ability to create chat channels so there still would be global channels for those in favor of using them.

[Elendae]

Making global chat channels really defeats the purpose of removing global /ooc, as far as I see. Same thing, different name. People will still auction/lfg in there.

[Cydex]

At least people could make a channel for lfg, a channel for auctions, a channel for political bull...., a channel for talking about why we have channels, and so on and so forth.

As it is, it's several hundred people all trying to talk at once about different topics. A lot of which, I could care less to hear about--people telling Obama/Bush jokes for instance (over and over). Many argue "well turn off /ooc" .. but I'd still like to see those people /lfg, people asking for ports, ect.

More examples of the use of ooc as of right this moment: the use of different fruits, weed, someone asking for help with light healing, something about israel/nazis/racism, someone being dumb about Jesus and Christopher Columbus, couple people lfg, animal crackers with chocolate frosting, something about project1999, mistmoore group lfm, ... get the point yet?

It's kinda useless as it is. Deciphering through all that sucks. I'd of like to have seen the guy looking for help with a spell (I'm sure he'd of liked an answer), and the people LFG/LFM.

[Shrubwise]

thers only 2 things i hate about this UI (besides those id even use it)
there is only 1 chat window (hate dis! do not want only 1)
and the small view, i need 3rd person with a big overview.. well i dont need.. i want! )

You can make more chat windows. I have three.

Right-click on the name bar of your main chat, select "New Window"

[Malrubius]

You can make more chat windows. I have three.

Right-click on the name bar of your main chat, select "New Window"

He was talking about the classic (circa 1999) UI.

[Uaellaen]

oh LFG IS classic ... just not with that stupid interface crap where you can add comments to your LFG and whatnot ... simple "/lfg" to toggel it on or off .. period

[Rallyd]

As far as I'm concerned, spam has very little to do with my desire for the removal of global channels. Global channels shrinks the world and makes it altogether less interesting to run into other people while you are out and about. New players you meet become more interesting when they aren't just some voice you can hear whenever. Being in less traveled zones becomes more exciting when you are on your own without a crowd of people talking at you. Going to a big city has a more unique feel when it is a rare occasion to interact with many people. I dunno...global chat just makes eq less of the game I am so excited to be playing again.

Hate to agree with Otto - but this is definitely the case IMHO.

[eqdruid76]

Anyone else find it extremely hard to swallow that approx. 80% of the active P99 players took the time to vote on this?

Shennanigans. Probably on both sides.

[Elendae]

I think you're thinking of peak population numbers which is just above 700. I'd guess the active player base is closing in on 2000 over all the time zones.

[Olorin]

Anyone else find it extremely hard to swallow that approx. 80% of the active P99 players took the time to vote on this?

Shennanigans. Probably on both sides.

This -- probably on both sides. I do of course know of several people who run multiple accounts and thus would be able to vote multiple times, in addition to the "ip exempt".

[Uaellaen]

This -- probably on both sides. I do of course know of several people who run multiple accounts and thus would be able to vote multiple times, in addition to the "ip exempt".

IP exemption has nothing to do with this forum ...

[mitic]

devs just remove ooc and auction, its your baby and you want it

[Anuril]

devs just remove ooc and auction, its your baby and you want it

Hear, hear!

[Shawk]

auction can be turned off/on too? Not sure what you're saying.

also lets force everyone to use velious ui and lowest resolutions

see what I did there

OOOhhh I see what you did, you over exaggerated an example to make yours seem remotely valid in the context..

Why ride a horse with four feat when you can fly a horse with four fucking wings and feat!!??? ... Look, i can do it too.. and using the, "just turn it off," comment just shows how little you know global chat effects this server entirely, I can turn it off but the entire server still has it..

Forcing a UI on an entire server would not change anything about the sever, nothing would change other then the clients outlook of the game. Forcing no more Global OOC/Auc would change countless things..

Zones will be more populated because not everyone will depend on /ooc for their grouping anymore.. staying in WK will seem a little more attractive when you think of how long it will take to get to Oasis when u have to wait for a porter to happen to drop in.. Porting to certain areas will seem less viable, you can't just /ooc WTB port to here to here.. anymore.

Life in zones will seem more localized, people will be using Shout a lot more often, each zone will almost become its own chat room, instead of the entire server using /ooc.

Items will have more varied price ranges (you won't have a globalized place to do your price checks anymore.. It may cost 20p in FP but in Qeynos they could be selling for 30p..) If you are selling a Sword for 50p in Qeynos, someone else could be selling one in FP for 25p, but the guy buying the sword in Qeynos would have no idea of that. It creates the market that EQ had, and the one I loved, it was way more realistic... and if you wanted to sell your damn FBSS you had to work to sell it, not sell it WHILE camping another fucking FBSS. (DESTROYS ECONOMY!!!)

Qeynos and zones like that would be used as minor trading areas more often, also because of the lack of ways to getting around.

Guilds will become more reliable, right now /ooc is the servers community, were all forced into this global chat room, newbs don't need guilds because they have /ooc to ask anything they could possibly need to know.

In general, if you don't understand why this needs to be done, look at every mmo currently, none have a totally global chat because it destroys so many aspects of an MMO. If this server wants to be a classic EQ server it needs to get rid of global chat completely and ignore these people who think classic was PoP.

devs just remove ooc and auction, its your baby and you want it

This, wins.

[Shawk]

This -- probably on both sides. I do of course know of several people who run multiple accounts and thus would be able to vote multiple times, in addition to the "ip exempt".

IP exempt does not allow u to vote twice, just checked.

Its per house it seems.

[Tseng]

IP exempt does not allow u to vote twice, just checked.

Its per house it seems.

Forum accounts and EQemu accounts are completely separate... How anyone would think they're in any way related is beyond me.

[guineapig]

I would like to see auction left global, ooc to be nerfed (in some way) and an LFG channel to be implemented.

I'm sorry, but I feel like not enough people use the LFG tool.
Even during peak times I can have LFG up forever and I get no responses till I do a:
/ooc LFG

[ryuut1]

why can't people just turn off ooc and auction and use shout as their zone channels? then ALL would be pleased!

[mitic]

devs srsly, we have already 37 pages within some days + other endless threads in this matter.

just disable them non-classic serverwide channels, case closed.

let the playerbase handle this by themself and allow playercreated channels instead (ie for pickupraids, auction, new players etc)

[Nedala]

why can't people just turn off ooc and auction and use shout as their zone channels? then ALL would be pleased!

Why cant people stop bringing up that point because its 0??
im sooo tired of hearing that.

[ryuut1]

then quit reading. you guys are real jerks to opposing views. they asked for our opinions, and they got them.

[Kainzo]

oh LFG IS classic ... just not with that stupid interface crap where you can add comments to your LFG and whatnot ... simple "/lfg" to toggel it on or off .. period

You are correct.

[orielberyl]

This comes down to people wanting a hardcore classic enviroment. The people who want ooc to be zonewide only do not want to give up their channel but do not want it to be global. I feel the population needs to reach at least 1000 active players during peak before we have starting cities populated enough for low players to recieve help. At that point I would vote for removal of a global channel. However I do not want players to have to give up their ooc or auction channel by disabling it to get the immersive feeling they desire. I think a fair compromise would be to implement a global general channel and make auction and ooc zonewide. So the players who want the closest to classic experience can disable the global general channel but still have access to their zonewide ooc and auction channels. Those who want the global channel can enable general and communicate with the rest of the server who choose to do so. Once we consistantly hit 1000 online during peak hours for a couple of weeks in a row there should be no vote or contest just remove general. the 736 pop on one monday night is really nice but cutting off the global channel wouldn't only happen during that time. We have hundreds of players who only play early mornings (American times .... Late night their time) or mid day. With their schedules playing during 200 population hours global is critical. I do agree with many on this thread about the non classic authenticity of gobal chat, and it does in many ways ruin the immersion and the community of the game. However all your memories of wonderful old classic where with 2000 people playing at any given moment. We do not have that luxury. it wasn't uncommon to have 70 people chilling in Gfay and a newbie could log onto a level 3 form a full group in 10 seconds and head off to crushbone. Along the way they would probably see a 40 druid who was bored and came in with the group to pl them. We do not have that. Not yet anyways. I have 100% faith in this server and believe the population will reach numbers even the devs do not dream of. Until that happens some type of equalizer needs to remain in the game for the good of the server. What if we take global ooc out and all our daytime players quit because they can't find groups and all the people who voted no quit because they really wanted ooc. Then we lose a good chunk of population.

[Phallax]

devs srsly, we have already 37 pages within some days + other endless threads in this matter.

just disable them non-classic serverwide channels, case closed.

let the playerbase handle this by themself and allow playercreated channels instead (ie for pickupraids, auction, new players etc)

channels would defeat the WHOLE purpose of all reasonings of this thread...that was the worst idea of anyone especially a dev to come up with

1) channels arent classic
2) they still allow for global communication (LFG and AUC channels will be created)

[Myrkskog]

why can't people just turn off ooc and auction and use shout as their zone channels? then ALL would be pleased!

Because you can't have integral parts of the game included in a function that people are just supposed to turn off if they don't like it. If you haven't even read the thread stop talking and just vote.

[chaple]

Um, I know their isn't many raids going on yet. But... I specifically remember, when raiding back in the classic days we had to use the different channels for raid coordination.

I.e. if more than 1 raid was occurring at the same time, one raid would use shout, another would use ooc, etc.

I guess, their won't be open raids on this server.

Or they are going to need to put in chat channels.... for this reason I vote to make the channels per zone.

[utenan]

Are chat channles seriously being considered as an alternative to global ooc? they are the same thing...... I dont think anyone is upset about the fact that you log on and /ooc is automatically on, thats the only diff between it and chat channels, I am personally upset about how global ooc changes the game, and global chat channels have the same effect.

[Phineas]

Leave it as is.

I hate change.

Almost as much as I hate the promise of change with no follow through *cough*democrats*cough*


oops, wrong forum for that...

[km2783]

I personally could care less about all the political debating going on in OOC. STFU and take that stuff to the proper place ;)

Shitcan global OOC and Auction. Not because it's not "Classic" but because it's annoying. And before anyone cries about "just mute them" or "put them in their own window", no. I will not. The channels exist for a reason, and it's not to bitch about the state of the world today, who is a great world leader, etc. Technically OOC can be about anything you want, but if people want to talk politics, religion, your girlfriend's facebook profile, etc, EverQuest is not the place for it. Discussions are fine and everything, but 600+ people have access to what boils down to a chat room where anything goes with an ever-changing subject matter that spams the crap out of people's UI.

And trying to hide it makes the channels useless for those of us willing to help newbies out. The only problem I see with getting rid of global OOC is the possibility of making it harder to find groups at times (though granted I mostly use /who all lfg and a lvl range and make my own groups), and if someone makes a character in say, Grobb, and needs help they probably won't have many in the city to help them.

[utenan]

Leave it as is.

I hate change.

Like all of the changes that occured post classic eq, that slowy destroyed the game we love? Like global channels, etc.etc.? If that is what you mean then yes, I hate change as well : D

[eqdruid76]

@nilbog

serverwide chat = not classic.

chat channels = serverwide chat.

chat channels = not classic.

Is Project1999 going to be a classic server, or not?

[mgellan]

There is another side to this story. The people that do not play because there is ooc chat they don't want their kids to see.

Agree, when I play with my son (who's 8) I have to make sure OOC and auction are turned off, which is too bad, since it takes away from his classic first time experience with the game (although I have to admit I can't get him OUT of P1999 now!)

Regards,
Mg

[ryuut1]

Because you can't have integral parts of the game included in a function that people are just supposed to turn off if they don't like it. If you haven't even read the thread stop talking and just vote.

I've read the thread and voted no. You can turn it on when you need to use it or use shout to be zone specific in your chatting.

You CAN have parts of the game that you can turn off if you don't like it. Aside from the obvious of global /ooc and /auc, I'll say the bad word filter. You can play with it on so that you don't see curses. You can turn off /auc and /ooc when you don't use them, and use /shout for your zone specific needs. So shuttup and quit trolling with your bad self.

Also, you're a stupid-face.



...you stupid-face.

[Stickyfingers]

Agree, when I play with my son (who's 8) I have to make sure OOC and auction are turned off, which is too bad, since it takes away from his classic first time experience with the game (although I have to admit I can't get him OUT of P1999 now!)

Regards,
Mg



How will that change anything? People will still be yelling obscenities in zones, it might douse the issue a bit, but certainly won't nix it.

[mgellan]

How will that change anything? People will still be yelling obscenities in zones, it might douse the issue a bit, but certainly won't nix it.

If some asshat is yelling in a zone, /ignore works nicely. Ignoring all of OOC isn't tenable nor desirable since for legit purposes it's very useful.

I vote to remove global OOC/Auction.

Regards,
Mg

[Beau]

Chat channels? Seriously? If people want all of those nice non-classic features then that is their own personal preference, and they have every right to want to use them. Lucky for them, there are plenty of non classic servers that are available, why compromise on this one?

[eqdruid76]

Leave it as is.

I hate change.

Almost as much as I hate the promise of change with no follow through *cough*democrats*cough*


oops, wrong forum for that...

Yeah, I hate that almost as much as intentionally starting a war to eliminate the forces your father made an alliance with and weaponized 2 decades ago.

oops, wrong forum for that...

[Varlos]

I'm a new player to the server and haven't played on eqemu in at least 4 years, and after about 5 minutes of listening to the trash talking and children whining and crying in OOC, I'm 100% behind returning it to zone-wide...

EC tunnel/gfay just aren't the same with server-wide OOC/auction. Part of the fun of selling/buying items was meeting the people face-to-face. Convenience=/=classic EQ...

[Stickyfingers]

I'm a new player to the server and haven't played on eqemu in at least 4 years, and after about 5 minutes of listening to the trash talking and children whining and crying in OOC, I'm 100% behind returning it to zone-wide...

EC tunnel/gfay just aren't the same with server-wide OOC/auction. Part of the fun of selling/buying items was meeting the people face-to-face. Convenience=/=classic EQ...



You still have to meet them face-to-face in order to give them the money and get the items.

[Myrkskog]

I've read the thread and voted no. You can turn it on when you need to use it or use shout to be zone specific in your chatting.

You CAN have parts of the game that you can turn off if you don't like it. Aside from the obvious of global /ooc and /auc, I'll say the bad word filter. You can play with it on so that you don't see curses. You can turn off /auc and /ooc when you don't use them, and use /shout for your zone specific needs. So shuttup and quit trolling with your bad self.

Also, you're a stupid-face.



...you stupid-face.

Go troll elsewhere. People like you are the exact reason why global OOC is such a shithole.

[Varlos]

You still have to meet them face-to-face in order to give them the money and get the items.

Yeah, still not the same. I guess the bigger issue is I don't want to put up with listening to dumb people bickering all day to get a good deal etc.. If I wanted to do that I'd sit in World of Warcraft trade chat.

[uraniumrooster]

If trade chat, and lack of the classic EC Tunnel are the main issues, why not make Auction local and keep OOC global but disallow selling/trading? Perhaps disable item-linking in OOC?

It is after all out-of-character and it makes sense that everyone playing in the game should be able to interact with one another. Not to mention with the fairly small server population (relative to when EQ Live was still classic), finding a group will be much more difficult w/o global chat and I imagine a lot of people would be frustrated by this and stop playing altogether. Driving players away in the name of being "classic" seems counter-productive.

[L2Phantom]

Driving players away in the name of being "classic" seems counter-productive.


How does that drive people away? It's the way the game was meant to be played, has been played for 10 years, and the very reason the LFG command was introduced to the game in the first place.

Global OOC caters to trolls, idiots on soapboxes about politics/religion/you name it, and trash talking server celebrities.

That is why it doesn't belong here.

[atvaata]

i think if auction were to be kept for some reason couldnt it be rate limited to like one message every 5 or 10 minutes? that would give no one any incentive to speak in that channel and could be a good compromise if ooc were disabled on a global level.

either way i voted for the complete removal cause as nibbers said.... its not classic!

[uraniumrooster]

How does that drive people away?

It's often hard enough to find a group as it is and /lfg is an option that few people use or even know about. Without a global channel, it would get that much harder to find a group and I know a lot of people on p1999, like myself, play pretty much exclusively for the grouping/social aspect. Without an easy way to get in a group I can see a lot of people stopping altogether.

With any small server it's a pretty common administrative tactic to cater to as many people as possible if you want to attract and retain new players. You can just look at the poll results to see that nearly half the population is in favor of keeping a global channel, so removing it alienates a lot of players. However, keeping things as they are would alienate the other half, so in this instance a compromise would be the best solution.

Thus my suggestion to drop auction down to local and restore the classic trade zones while keeping ooc as a social/lfg channel.

[stiv]

As far as I'm concerned, spam has very little to do with my desire for the removal of global channels. Global channels shrinks the world and makes it altogether less interesting to run into other people while you are out and about. New players you meet become more interesting when they aren't just some voice you can hear whenever. Being in less traveled zones becomes more exciting when you are on your own without a crowd of people talking at you. Going to a big city has a more unique feel when it is a rare occasion to interact with many people. I dunno...global chat just makes eq less of the game I am so excited to be playing again.

As for people's concerns about new players, there are still people around and I actually think someone is more likely to help a newbie out if there aren't 500 people right there that you can pass the job onto. Directing players to the forums is also always an option.

As for the low server population, I only see this as making it all the more interesting when you DO run into people because it is just not that common.

Perhaps I'm a little overzealous about this, but seeing global chat go away is a very exciting prospect for me.

I voted no. My reasons are simple: I like this server for its unique character which largely is due to the population of the server, or rather the individuals that make up the server population. We have a large group of people playing a game that is over ten years old, the graphics are horrible for contemporary standards, the mechanics are buggy leading to a lot of frustration at times and the pace can be downright interminable. But this does not deter our peers. We play this game because we love it and we want something that was taken away for the MMO experience all those years ago. The fact is we have a large group of like minded people who log on everyday, and I like feeling connected to these people. I like the sense of community that global channels bring to the server, when i see someone spamming or lfg or w/e, I can place that person in this community, remind myself, oh yes there is _____, I wonder how they have been doing, etc.

I do not understand why everyone has to get so derisive and vitriolic about this issue, it seems to conjure up feelings of deep hatred whenever it is mentioned.

As for the arguments of the opposition, my feelings are thus: the non-classic element is a moot point. We all know that we are not playing a legit classic server. There are many elements of the game, some for better some for worse, that are not classic. Frankly I don't care. I am very content playing on the present classic hybrid server we all enjoy today and is the bed rock for the huge success of an emu server. Secondly, the belief that ooc is filled with sexist/racist/political rants I find to be a huge overstatement. I hardly notice this happening and when I do i just stop looking at green text for awhile.

So far the only cogent argument that I feel has been able to make me question my own beliefs is the piece I quoted at the beginning of the post. Doomapple presents a good point. Perhaps server wide chat erodes personal, more meaningful connections one makes face to face by providing a glut of connectivity. It is hard to say, but I think if we did away with global chat it would produce a localizing effect as people would be less inclined to travel for 30 minutes to find their destination was barren.

just my thoughts.

[MogManX44]

they only thing that is to be learned from this poll is that a lot of people are going to be pissed no matter what is done about this....sucks to be the devs :P

[Beau]

As for the arguments of the opposition, my feelings are thus: the non-classic element is a moot point. We all know that we are not playing a legit classic server. There are many elements of the game, some for better some for worse, that are not classic. Frankly I don't care. I am very content playing on the present classic hybrid server we all enjoy today and is the bed rock for the huge success of an emu server. Secondly, the belief that ooc is filled with sexist/racist/political rants I find to be a huge overstatement. I hardly notice this happening and when I do i just stop looking at green text for awhile.

just my thoughts.

Relive the classic Everquest MMORPG Gaming Experience as it was in 1999 and onward. Project 1999 is a free to play Emulated Everquest Server giving Players the opportunity to experience Classic EQ Once again, starting with the original 3 continents and a max level of 50, with the look and feel of the old interface and several modifications making game mechanics similar to how the game used to be. Project 1999 is the best and most popular classic Everquest experience.


Guess it isn't really a moot point there, is it?

[ryuut1]

Go troll elsewhere. People like you are the exact reason why global OOC is such a shithole.

and absolute dicks like you are the reason people like me turn off ooc, much like i'm done with reading this thread.

thanks for jumping in for no reason and with nothing productive to say either way! dumbass!

also, youre a stupid-face!

l8rs

[isdnelson]

I see several logical and valid options...

1) Leave it as is.

Why: /shout IS local ooc essentially. Global /occ facilitates communication for a growing population of players that is highly valuable. Imagine looking for a rez or a group without this, especially before you build up your network of friends here.

2) Make new chat channel for /occ which is global, revert /occ back to classic status. Leave /auc global, as trade would be highly crippled without it.

People claiming that removal of global auction would bring back EC Tunnel are dead wrong. It's only people that are preventing EC from being the center of trade it once was. If you don't like it, don't go to Freeport for gear and only sell from EC Tunnel. Get organized and start Bazaar days with events, giveaways, and discounts on items. That's what made EC Tunnel popular before--a sense of community. Otherwise, people will stay close to a bank that's safe and secure and NFP will continue to be a resting place for traders. Pretty simple!

That said, there is plenty of easy access to Freeport for KOS individuals too and no neutral banks outside of Runnyeye so I don't see what the big deal is.

3) Revert everything back to local and allow custom global channels. Needed channels would be...

-LFG
-Trade
-Rez service
-Portal service
-Help/Advice

etc... Probably way too complicated and global /ooc should stay. I don't care if something isn't classic. If its better it should be in game so long as it doesn't bend the spirit of the server too much. Given that /occ has already been in as is for a long time, why bother changing it? Only issue I can see is spam, in that case there are ways to avoid that.

Thanks and keep up the good work everyone!

[Bones]

they only thing that is to be learned from this poll is that a lot of people are going to be pissed no matter what is done about this....sucks to be the devs :P

Lol, so true.

[nilbog]

I hope it is known that the server will become more classic as time progresses. As live servers would patch in new content or features, we patch out newer content or features.

We will restore prekunark, Kunark, and Velious to the best of our abilities. We will put polish on them, and they are free for you to roam. Some content and features may be patched out before others, but do not be of the mindset that present non-classic elements are here to stay. It is only a matter of if they can be fixed, how they can be fixed, and when we can fix them.

I am a classic purist. The biggest mistake everquest ever made, in my opinion, was automating and simplifying the player's experience. Seemingly every new feature or change that was implemented post Velious was something to "benefit" me, that I didn't need to begin with. There are PLENTY of other games that encourage perks and things that are easier. Classic Everquest was widely-known to not be one of them.<team npc=""><team npc="">

We make the best, most well-informed decisions we can, with consideration to the feedback we receive.

</team></team>There was never a question of keeping global channels permanently. The question is to whether or not now is the time. The development team has to consider many factors, *some* of which were mentioned here. If there was a switch to immediately and completely revert this to classic, I'd flip it. Until there is, we will occasionally ask you for your feedback.

[Malrubius]

Thanks Nilbog. None of that should be a surprise to anybody, and that philosophy is really why we're all here (or, well, most of us).

[fastboy21]

is there a possibility of a solution other then simply 1) global chat or 2) zone-wide chat?

a more comfortable medium might be continent wide chat? or global chat that excluded dungeon zones?

my personal opinion is that right now we are too crowded for global chat and too vacant for zone-only chat. something in the middle would make more sense at the current time imo.

[Myrkskog]

People are interchanging the word need with convenience too much. You don't need a rez channel, you don't need a port channel, or a lfg channel, or any other channel. They make life easier, but a server would operate fine without one. Being able to auction globally is a convenience, not a need.

Whenever I speak of EC tunnel, I only do so because that's where the bazaar was on my server. I know it was Freeport of even Greater Faydark on others. The fact is that if global channels are removed, somewhere will become the trader center, wherever that may be.

We may not have the population of a live server at its peak, but we definitely have a strong population that is continually growing. I think that this is curbed by the fact that we all know what we're doing now. Population isn't the reason why there is not 15 people leveling on Kerra Isle, it's because Kerra Isle sucks. There are only 3-4 spots people actually go per level range because we know they're the best spots. They were the same 3-4 spots that were used when the server had 150 people, the same spots used now that we have 750 people, and will be the same spots used when we have 1200 people.

[Akame]

I just heard a nasty rumor in ooc that we're about to see global channels go live in the game???

Unfortunately if you make global channels in the game people will use them, which will force me to listen to the ooc chatters in order to filter the lfg calls instead of people using who all lfg.

:(

[utenan]

etc... Probably way too complicated and global /ooc should stay. I don't care if something isn't classic. If its better it should be in game so long as it doesn't bend the spirit of the server too much. Given that /occ has already been in as is for a long time, why bother changing it? Only issue I can see is spam, in that case there are ways to avoid that.

Thanks and keep up the good work everyone!


What is your idea of the spirit of the server?? Would pok stones bend the spirit of the server? Maps for every zone? Global channels?? They all do the same thing, and imo bend the spirit of the server, from classic to whatever makes it more convenient.

And that is a very poor excuse for not changing something, ( It's funny to say changing something, when it really should not be there, and was actually added post classic, which was a change for the worse imo ) that it has already been here for a while, so why change it? That is like saying "This (insert bug) has been here a long time, why bother changing it?" I don't really understand such logic.

The only problem you see is spam? You must not be looking very hard then. Lets go back to the " bend the spirit of the server " thing. One example would be items. I see items fly by my face 24/7, full sets of mithril, darkforage, pearl kedge totems, and so forth. It has gotten to the point where I am not even excited or happy when loot drops. It's like, "wow, i have seen that being sold 100 times this week in /ooc". That really kills immersion, and bends the spirit of the server in half! This is probably due to the fact that you can SELL things from your CAMP........

[Elendae]

Please please do not replace global ooc with global chat channels. If increasing immersion and that classic feel is the reasoning behind all of this, replacing one form of global communication with another really isn't the way. It's hardly a compromise to both parties.

[Brain]

Say goodbye to a good number of people if there isn't SOME FORM of global communication.

Regards,

Brain

[stiv]

I guess I should draw my camp before I make general statements about the nature of this server and the discourse up to this point. I am here, obviously, because I like the classic content and am in full agreement with the devs that EQ was a great game up until Velious. I like EQ because it is difficult and very punishing for mistakes. I like the fact that when i am doing a quest I don't see a damn icon over an npc's head telling me this is who I need to talk to or kill...

That being said, I am neither a staunch classicist, or w/e we want to call members of the community that want the true vanilla experience. I am pretty delighted that i do not have to stair at my spell book for 90% of my time logged, and similar perks that the client inevitably bring to p99. It would seem that my views differ from those of the dev team so in the end my argument does not hold much weight for the the overall effect of the server. My only stance is this: I like you people! I feel an affinity with everyone that joins this server for harboring the same feelings about classic EQ as I do. I feel that global chat allows me to be immersed in this community. Ultimately, what I seek from this server is not an attempt to re-create something Sony made 10 years ago, but to experience something that the devs made 9 months ago and share it with everyone who has come to this place.

[Nedala]

and absolute dicks like you are the reason people like me turn off ooc, much like i'm done with reading this thread.

thanks for jumping in for no reason and with nothing productive to say either way! dumbass!

also, youre a stupid-face!

l8rs

lol your the biggest troll in that thread so far and crying about trolls.

[eqdruid76]

I guess I should draw my camp before I make general statements about the nature of this server and the discourse up to this point. I am here, obviously, because I like the classic content and am in full agreement with the devs that EQ was a great game up until Velious. I like EQ because it is difficult and very punishing for mistakes. I like the fact that when i am doing a quest I don't see a damn icon over an npc's head telling me this is who I need to talk to or kill...

That being said, I am neither a staunch classicist, or w/e we want to call members of the community that want the true vanilla experience. I am pretty delighted that i do not have to stair at my spell book for 90% of my time logged, and similar perks that the client inevitably bring to p99. It would seem that my views differ from those of the dev team so in the end my argument does not hold much weight for the the overall effect of the server. My only stance is this: I like you people! I feel an affinity with everyone that joins this server for harboring the same feelings about classic EQ as I do. I feel that global chat allows me to be immersed in this community. Ultimately, what I seek from this server is not an attempt to re-create something Sony made 10 years ago, but to experience something that the devs made 9 months ago and share it with everyone who has come to this place.

Then you're here for the wrong reason, and have completely missed the point of the server. Completely.

[Nedala]

Say goodbye to a good number of people if there isn't SOME FORM of global communication.

Regards,

Brain

Why would anyone quit because of that? This is a classic server, did you really expect global channels when you started to play here?

I did not, i was surprised of the global channel not in a good way.

[utenan]

Say goodbye to a good number of people if there isn't SOME FORM of global communication.

Regards,

Brain

Ive yet to see someone say that they would quit the server if global channels were kept/taken away......

[Myrkskog]

Yeah I have no idea idea where he came up with that...

[Shawk]

Say goodbye to a good number of people if there isn't SOME FORM of global communication.

Regards,

Brain

No one is going to leave because of global chat being gone.. change your name, its unfitting.

I think more people will lose interest from this not being changed, devs will be changing this like it or not, the question is when. If devs suddenly decide to change their mind and keep it global, then I will be worried.

It will be changed though, so those on the fence.. better make your leave now imo

[stiv]

I do not understand why everyone has to get so derisive and vitriolic about this issue, it seems to conjure up feelings of deep hatred whenever it is mentioned.


Then you're here for the wrong reason, and have completely missed the point of the server. Completely.

my point

[eqdruid76]

my point

...is what? That you also completely missed the point of my post?...

[Shawk]

I guess I should draw my camp before I make general statements about the nature of this server and the discourse up to this point. I am here, obviously, because I like the classic content and am in full agreement with the devs that EQ was a great game up until Velious. I like EQ because it is difficult and very punishing for mistakes. I like the fact that when i am doing a quest I don't see a damn icon over an npc's head telling me this is who I need to talk to or kill...

That being said, I am neither a staunch classicist, or w/e we want to call members of the community that want the true vanilla experience. I am pretty delighted that i do not have to stair at my spell book for 90% of my time logged, and similar perks that the client inevitably bring to p99. It would seem that my views differ from those of the dev team so in the end my argument does not hold much weight for the the overall effect of the server. My only stance is this: I like you people! I feel an affinity with everyone that joins this server for harboring the same feelings about classic EQ as I do. I feel that global chat allows me to be immersed in this community. Ultimately, what I seek from this server is not an attempt to re-create something Sony made 10 years ago, but to experience something that the devs made 9 months ago and share it with everyone who has come to this place.

The server was made to be classic, Global chat kills a good half of what classic was.. Community being a huge part of that, instead of communties being more scattered and remote it is all forced into a chat room that half of us are forced to turn off because of how unclassic it is..

I think a good 80% of you people saying no are just lazy and use to things being easy in MMORPGS. This game is so much easier because of Global chat and seeing as how you seem to like the brutal side of EQ it doesn't make much sense that you want global chat.

At the moment this is a classic server with classic content, but the community nothing like 1999, i think the devs know that and will make the change when the time is right. No one is mad or getting angry at your opinion, the people who are here to have a classic server are just getting bashed again by a bunch of people who want this game made easy, its the same people that want there to be more content after velious, this is suppose to be a CLASSIC server, if people don't like that they should just go join a server that already has what you guys desire implemented, there are tons of them..

Theres only one classic :( let us have this....

[Malrubius]

Say goodbye to me if there isn't SOME FORM of global communication.

Regards,

Brain

Fixed it for ya.

I would be saddened if ANY kind of global channels were made available long-term.

But there's no way I would qq about it either way.

[Malrubius]

The server was made to be classic, Global chat kills a good half of what classic was.. Community being a huge part of that, instead of communties being more scattered and remote it is all forced into a chat room that half of us are forced to turn off because of how unclassic it is..

I think a good 80% of you people saying no are just lazy and use to things being easy in MMORPGS. This game is so much easier because of Global chat and seeing as how you seem to like the brutal side of EQ it doesn't make much sense that you want global chat.

At the moment this is a classic server with classic content, but the community nothing like 1999, i think the devs know that and will make the change when the time is right. No one is mad or getting angry at your opinion, the people who are here to have a classic server are just getting bashed again by a bunch of people who want this game made easy, its the same people that want there to be more content after velious, this is suppose to be a CLASSIC server, if people don't like that they best just fuck off cause this was meant to be for us.

This post made me smile. Well said.

[Shawk]

Fixed it for ya.

I would be saddened if ANY kind of global channels were made available long-term.

But there's no way I would qq about it either way.

I say just make a guild for those that really hate local chat/auction ideas and call it, "Barrens Chat.."

clearly half them are WoW vets, so its fitting imo.

[Kennebec]

I wonder how many new forum accounts have been created sincethe poll started compared to how many new players on the server.

[r0xx0r]

with all the fuss about this, i'm suprised to not see earlier polls on things such as keeping the mana stone in, adding pok, having us start with epics, etc.. etc..

it's a classic server (pre-luclin) I myself thought that meant, if it wasn't in the game before luclin, and it can be forced then it won't be here. Can i get an amen? I joined for the original feel of everquest, what about you?


manhatten

[Pyrocat]

can I change my vote?

[Phallax]

with all the fuss about this, i'm suprised to not see earlier polls on things such as keeping the mana stone in, adding pok, having us start with epics, etc.. etc..

it's a classic server (pre-luclin) I myself thought that meant, if it wasn't in the game before luclin, and it can be forced then it won't be here. Can i get an amen? I joined for the original feel of everquest, what about you?


manhatten

Yea i was surprised and disappointed at the same time when i logged in and saw global chat

[Thrymm]

the poll is almost neck and neck.... so if the zone only wins by a small margin, does the current server wide stay?

I assume it would, only because it's been this way and many people are very against changing it to zone only. I voted zone only, but also stated either way was fine with me. I created a new chat window for ooc making it seem like the "general" channel. Also have to admit, I get more than a few chuckles with the shit that is discussed at times :).

[Phallax]

the poll is almost neck and neck.... so if the zone only wins by a small margin, does the current server wide stay?

I assume it would, only because it's been this way and many people are very against changing it to zone only. I voted zone only, but also stated either way was fine with me. I created a new chat window for ooc making it seem like the "general" channel. Also have to admit, I get more than a few chuckles with the shit that is discussed at times :).

The polls have no effect on what happens, the devs just want to know what the community thinks and have us voice our opinions.

[Malrubius]

the poll is almost neck and neck.... so if the zone only wins by a small margin, does the current server wide stay?

I assume it would, only because it's been this way and many people are very against changing it to zone only. I voted zone only, but also stated either way was fine with me. I created a new chat window for ooc making it seem like the "general" channel. Also have to admit, I get more than a few chuckles with the shit that is discussed at times :).

No, it will go away. Nilbog said it will go away, so it will go away. It is not classic, so it will go away.

As Nilbog also said, the only question is when. Methinks it will be very soon.

[r0xx0r]

don't get me wrong i see why ppl want it, but hey if we keep it can we start up some polls on everything then? i mean why not, lets just form our own version of classic
(/sarcasim off)



ps- i hope it's sooner than later

manhatten

[Winston]

classic-style, insuring EC tunnel trading by a large part of the server as the main loc for a known market place.

[raff01]

classic-style, insuring EC tunnel trading by a large part of the server as the main loc for a known market place.

Exactly, EQ without the EC tunnel market ISNT classic EQ !!!
People bitch because they don't want the hassle of having to go to EC tunnel to browse the market, but fuck, EQ wasn't meant to be convenient.
Classic EQ MEANS HASSLING STUFF like not being able to bind to cities for non casters, losing loads of xp and have difficult CRs etc...Its that hassle that made classic EQ the game we all loved.
The whole purpose of this server is to reproduce classic experience of EQ, and there NEVER was a global /ooc and /auction in Classic EQ. if you like easy EQ just play on live.
Anything that's non classic and can be removed with the titanium client should be removed.

[mitic]

on a side note, not every server had his market in ec...some had gfay as their main market

[Maggok]

i ve a question: was everything sooooo great and fun in classic? Yes, i had my best time there. but when i realy think back, there were more than 100 hundred things, which peeves me (its the same with the school time. Now, we say: yeah, it was the damn best time i had. But in the time, when we were so young and at school, there were plenty not so funny things we only forget later...). What i want to say: we now ve the Chance to make the Best / our Best Everquest. And when its mostly classic, its fine for me and i will say "hurray" :-) But we shouldt things do only cause its classic.... that would be dump (cause than we wouldnt ve learned anything from the past). I play Everquest on this Server cause i love the game-/groupplay, the need for tactics and so on. i dont play Everquest cause its 100% classic

Greetings Maggok

PS. or anybody will truely tell me, that it was "gameplay-fun" to sit 2 hours /LFG or try to /who all lfg to got a group? or need to walk one hour to EC-Tunnel only to see, that not many peeps r seeling (the right stuff)???

[Nedala]

on a side note, not every server had his market in ec...some had gfay as their main market

Kelethin trading was soooo coool. Gfay was alsways packed with people i loved it.

[Maggok]

yeah, 15 years before, i had no probs. with sitting 2 hours in EC and watch the /auction-channel - cause i was a student and had time like no others. Now, think the most of us has a Family, Work, RL..... :-)

[raff01]

i ve a question: was everything sooooo great and fun in classic? Yes, i had my best time there. but when i realy think back, there were more than 100 hundred things, which peeves me (its the same with the school time. Now, we say: yeah, it was the damn best time i had. But in the time, when we were so young and at school, there were plenty not so funny things we only forget later...). What i want to say: we now ve the Chance to make the Best / our Best Everquest. And when its mostly classic, its fine for me and i will say "hurray" :-) But we shouldt things do only cause its classic.... that would be dump (cause than we wouldnt ve learned anything from the past). I play Everquest on this Server cause i love the game-/groupplay, the need for tactics and so on. i dont play Everquest cause its 100% classic

Greetings Maggok

PS. or anybody will truely tell me, that it was "gameplay-fun" to sit 2 hours /LFG or try to /who all lfg to got a group? or need to walk one hour to EC-Tunnel only to see, that not many peeps r seeling (the right stuff)???

I remember back then it was a real challenge for a noob to go to EC when they were in Qeynos, Halas or Erudin. It made it dangerous, thus fun.
Its like old times where you actually had to walk to a market to browse, whereas today you may simply sit at your desk and browse/order everything from home.
Having to run to EC and be physically present in the tunnel to browse just makes it feel more real and more immersive, more fun ! much better than just a channel where everyone is scattered all around the world.

[mgellan]

Good point about item linking as well. But that's next month's crusade. One battle at a time. :P

Pretty sure item linking is client side - Rogean said earlier absolutely not going to be addressed... While it saves you a bit of time linking verus saying what the stats are, not game changing...

Regards,
Mg

[Myrkskog]

PS. or anybody will truely tell me, that it was "gameplay-fun" to sit 2 hours /LFG or try to /who all lfg to got a group? or need to walk one hour to EC-Tunnel only to see, that not many peeps r seeling (the right stuff)???

You still sit LFG for 2 hours even with global channels.

For trading we also have a buying/selling forum section which is never used because there is no point. Once global channels are removed its activity will skyrocket.

[utenan]

i ve a question: was everything sooooo great and fun in classic? Yes, i had my best time there. but when i realy think back, there were more than 100 hundred things, which peeves me (its the same with the school time. Now, we say: yeah, it was the damn best time i had. But in the time, when we were so young and at school, there were plenty not so funny things we only forget later...). What i want to say: we now ve the Chance to make the Best / our Best Everquest. And when its mostly classic, its fine for me and i will say "hurray" :-) But we shouldt things do only cause its classic.... that would be dump (cause than we wouldnt ve learned anything from the past). I play Everquest on this Server cause i love the game-/groupplay, the need for tactics and so on. i dont play Everquest cause its 100% classic

Greetings Maggok

PS. or anybody will truely tell me, that it was "gameplay-fun" to sit 2 hours /LFG or try to /who all lfg to got a group? or need to walk one hour to EC-Tunnel only to see, that not many peeps r seeling (the right stuff)???

Everyone's opinion of fun differs, so im not even going to start in on that, but what I can say is that stuff, like you mentioned above, may not be fun for some, but its what helped eq feel more like a world instead if a game, and it is the very reason eq was so unique, and why theres a demand for a classic server. Pretty much, and i hate to say this, if you make lfg as easy as possible, like automatically grouping you with people, and make trading the same way, you have the group system and auction house in WoW.

Also, in your first paragraph, " we shouldn't do things just cause they are classic " that is the whole reason we are here!! And when we, or at least I say " because it's classic " it is a little more complex then that. I want the feel of the game back before it was destroyed, which means taking out non classic functions, which alter the game, and make it less classic. So when I say " because it is classic ( which I don't actually say often ) " I really mean " because I do not want what is suppose to be classic eq changed and altered in a way that made me quit in the first place "

yeah, 15 years before, i had no probs. with sitting 2 hours in EC and watch the /auction-channel - cause i was a student and had time like no others. Now, think the most of us has a Family, Work, RL..... :-)

Not really an excuse to destroy classic elements of the server, as Nilbog stated earlier in the thread

[Yoite]

we used to have like a sale sunday where most of the server knew that on sunday was the day that most people would be doing the buying and selling and trading. Sure there was still activity throughout the week, but if you were looking for something in particular, you knew come sunday you could find someone selling or trading it.

[starguitar33]

OOC should be zone specific, /AUC shouldn't

[r0xx0r]

only worldwide messaging i recall in eq back in the day were as follows: party/tells/guild

even duel messages weren't global o.O

[Rufus]

I hope they don't remove it, though it seems inevitable at this point...

Everyone talks about this being a "Classic" server, which it obviously is, and Classic was the greatest time I ever had in a video game. But I also remember there being a much larger population that was able to support not only EC-only trading, but support the MANY zones that are going to be completely empty if we get rid of worldwide OOC. The world is going to seem very empty for most of us, UNLIKE in Classic where most zones had at least a few people to interact with.

Additionally, remember that this is NOT Classic. This is a world that is constantly in flux with things changing all the time, i.e. bard songs, items coming in and out, etc. Unless you remember to log on to the forums every time before you play, you will not have any way to be notified of changes to the game. Worldwide OOC serves this purpose.

It will also be much more difficult to put a group together, thus destroying the most fun aspect of the game. Like most of you, I have other obligations in life and cannot spend an hour sitting around waiting for a group to find me. Proactively making a group aware of your existence is a much better way to find a group than sitting in one zone with LFG on. Oftentimes a group won't even try to pick you up if you are a certain distance away.

I loved Classic as much as anyone, but P1999 and Classic are not analogous.

Thanks.

[Phallax]

only worldwide messaging i recall in eq back in the day were as follows: party/tells/guild

even duel messages weren't global o.O

in true classic duels were indeed global, wasnt untill kunark came out or right before they became zone only

[Doomapple]

The whole finding groups point isn't much of a reason to keep ooc global. I can't think of a time where finding a group or a new member for a group just by using global ooc got me anywhere. It was MUCH faster when I just did a bit of '/who all' searching and sent a few tells to people. It honestly doesn't take that much time, guys.

[nilbog]

I still do not understand the "can't find groups" argument.

So.. over the past few days, I tried several / all LFG

First one, 30 matches. Various levels, guilds, etc.

35 matches

25 matches

40 matches!

33 matches

and currently, at 12:45pm cst, 25 people LFG.

So, if you are using OOC to look for a group, and 25-35 people aren't spamming ooc for LFG, you are limiting the groups you can possibly get by not doing / all LFG.

This particular argument holds no value with me anymore.

[Myrkskog]

So what argument is there left for global channels besides having an in game IRC Nilbog?

[astarothel]

The /lfgs for tanks or clerics is much more sparse. Finding a replacement (especially when pretty much every levelling cleric except me is /anon or /role) isn't always so easy with a lower population.

[nilbog]

The /lfgs for tanks or clerics is much more sparse. Finding a replacement (especially when pretty much every levelling cleric except me is /anon or /role) isn't always so easy with a lower population.

Then its sparse anyways. ooc was never intended to be a source of finding groups, and never was, afaik.

Population has an affect on /lfg. ooc does not. If you want to /roleplay or /anon, that is your right.

It decreases your visibility, as intended.

[Otto]

I've gotten 3 groups together in the past 24 hours by doing /who all LFG when people wouldn't respond in OOC.

Plenty of people already have OOC off, so that whole 'can't find a group' thing is complete and utter bull.

I still haven't seen any arguments that truly display a need or even a benefit to having global chat available.

[pickled_heretic]

try /lfg 15 20 (or any similar range) instead :D

[Bones]

I still haven't seen any arguments that truly display a need or even a benefit to having global chat available.
What about those poor lonely trolls who are so starved for attention that they will get depressed if they don't feel like everybody on the server is paying attention to whatever stupid shit they have to say?;)

[astarothel]

Population has an affect on /lfg. ooc does not.

Yep, and it's a population issue which is why I voted to keep the global at this time. OOC currently helps grouping at a lower population because a person who is /anon, not currently tagged for /lfg, or is on an alt might consider joining.

I don't want global forever, I just don't think we have enough people active on the server at this time -- another 200 people constantly to our population and my position would change.

[Myrkskog]

So we want to keep it up just in case anonymous people without a LFG tag are in fact looking for group? It seems to me if they are anon and don't have LFG up, they probably aren't LFG.

The only people I can imagine who would stay anon while LFG are rezzers/porters. If I am searching for a rep and see an Anon on LFG I'll just shoot them a tell "Lvl/Class?"

[YendorLootmonkey]

even duel messages weren't global o.O

They were in Classic... they got taken out at some point when people started abusing it by creating character names w/social/political/server commentary.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Just something to think about... if the removal of global /auc forces players to congregate in a single zone and sell/buy stuff vs. being able to make deals serverwide and arrange for a future transaction while continuing to play, is that going to significantly reduce the ability to find groups if a certain % of the server is locked into sitting in NFP or EC buying/selling? Just wondering what people's thoughts are on that. Could be a good thing... it might clear out Unrest/Guk/Oasis a little bit. ;)

[nilbog]

Yep, and it's a population issue which is why I voted to keep the global at this time. OOC currently helps grouping at a lower population because a person who is /anon, not currently tagged for /lfg, or is on an alt might consider joining.

If someone chooses to be /anon or /roleplay has no relevance to this topic. You're trying to tell me that /anon is great for clerics or porters, except when they need a group. That's just the way the game works.

So what argument is there left for global channels besides having an in game IRC Nilbog?
The only resonating validity I can see for global chats is the helping of new people. They probably got eq to work out of the box.. but might not be able to get eqemu working without assistance. That's the reason I gave a month ago, and has been barely touched on here.

Most of the arguments in favor of keeping them... seem to be unneeded luxuries, of I "want" this, because its "easier" for this.

Someone in this thread said training wheels. They need to be cut off.

[utenan]

I hope they don't remove it, though it seems inevitable at this point...

Everyone talks about this being a "Classic" server, which it obviously is, and Classic was the greatest time I ever had in a video game. But I also remember there being a much larger population that was able to support not only EC-only trading, but support the MANY zones that are going to be completely empty if we get rid of worldwide OOC. The world is going to seem very empty for most of us, UNLIKE in Classic where most zones had at least a few people to interact with.

Additionally, remember that this is NOT Classic. This is a world that is constantly in flux with things changing all the time, i.e. bard songs, items coming in and out, etc. Unless you remember to log on to the forums every time before you play, you will not have any way to be notified of changes to the game. Worldwide OOC serves this purpose.

It will also be much more difficult to put a group together, thus destroying the most fun aspect of the game. Like most of you, I have other obligations in life and cannot spend an hour sitting around waiting for a group to find me. Proactively making a group aware of your existence is a much better way to find a group than sitting in one zone with LFG on. Oftentimes a group won't even try to pick you up if you are a certain distance away.

I loved Classic as much as anyone, but P1999 and Classic are not analogous.

Thanks.

1. Paragraph 1. Why would zones be empty, because global channels are taken out? People who are playing know the game to an extent, empty zones are empty because they suck, like WK or kerra ridge.

2. Paragraph 2. This server, from what I understand, is trying to be as close to clasic as possible. And patches seem to be done almost every week, so once again the 1. reason I see for keeping global channles is that people are lazy, too lazy infact to look at a forum every 7 days.

3. Paragraph 3. The whole " it is difficult to form a group " has been repeatedly disproven, if you want to find a group, you will. I also think that you, personally, don't have the time to play, is also an invalid point, and I do not think that ther server should be compromised because of that. I mean the "classic" server shouldn't be chanegd just be cause your are casual or hardcore.

"Proactively making a group aware of your existence is a much better way to find a group than sitting in one zone with LFG on." First of all, that first option should not even be there. Secondly, Nilbog has stated several times, the function of ooc is not even to look for groups. If you are just sitting in some zone, with /lfg on, then you aren't trying very hard to find a group.

[r0xx0r]

"Proactively making a group aware of your existence is a much better way to find a group than sitting in one zone with LFG on." First of all, that first option should not even be there. Secondly, Nilbog has stated several times, the function of ooc is not even to look for groups. If you are just sitting in some zone, with /lfg on, then you aren't trying very hard to find a group.

can i get a amen?

[Myrkskog]

The only resonating validity I can see for global chats is the helping of new people. They probably got eq to work out of the box.. but might not be able to get eqemu working without assistance. That's the reason I gave a month ago, and has been barely touched on here.

95% of the questions from new people are unrelated to technical problems and could easily be looked up with google. Between a spell website and allakhazam(both listed on our stickied reference thread) all these "Do enchanters get pet's at level 1" and "Where does XX drop again" questions are easily answered. People only ask in OOC because it's easy, not because they're truly lost.

The most difficult aspect of playing P1999 is actually getting it running in the first place, and you can't ask questions in OOC until it's up and running anyways. Besides, every time someone asked about dual core or another genuine problem in OOC, it's answered by "check the forums."

Speak of the devil, I am logged in right now and this conversation just happened. Here is the transcript.

"Does any1 know how to fix the amd dual core problem? I downloaded the drivers, but still the same shit now."

"It's on the forums, I recommend searching for dual core."

"K TY."


We're not giving people enough credit, if they were able to get it running in the first place, they should be able to find a solution to their technical problems as well. Why not have a message whenever a new character logs in for the first time along the lines of;

"Welcome to Project 1999. Please be aware that due to the age of the Everquest engine, you may experience technical issues relating to your hardware or software. If you are experiencing anything unusual, please consult our comprehensive technical forum at http://project1999.org. For all game related questions, there are beginning guides and reference websites stickied on our general forum, or feel free to ask! Enjoy your stay!"

[Kainzo]

Just something to think about... if the removal of global /auc forces players to congregate in a single zone and sell/buy stuff vs. being able to make deals serverwide and arrange for a future transaction while continuing to play, is that going to significantly reduce the ability to find groups if a certain % of the server is locked into sitting in NFP or EC buying/selling? Just wondering what people's thoughts are on that. Could be a good thing... it might clear out Unrest/Guk/Oasis a little bit. ;)

so in a nutshell you're saying its going to be harder?

My my... I do think I like this change.

[Brain]

Stop crying about global chat not being classic.

Want to know what's NOT Classic?

GM's giving out random illusions (sometimes luclin models) every single freaking day at NFP bank. Oh yeah that's awesome.

What about translocators for boats? EQC has boats working, why can't we?

[Swisher]

Need to tack on at least an extra 5% to make up for the response bias. In simple terms, you need to assume that there are more people here that want zonewide chat than the amount that actually voted. People who are against an issue are more likely to respond to a poll than are the people who are either for it, or don't care.

[Kainzo]

Stop crying about global chat not being classic.

Want to know what's NOT Classic?

GM's giving out random illusions (sometimes luclin models) every single freaking day at NFP bank. Oh yeah that's awesome.

What about translocators for boats? EQC has boats working, why can't we?

Actual, GM did give out illusions in classic. Are you mad you aren't the one getting the illusions?

[Tallenn]

95% of the questions from new people are unrelated to technical problems and could easily be looked up with google. Between a spell website and allakhazam(both listed on our stickied reference thread) all these "Do enchanters get pet's at level 1" and "Where does XX drop again" questions are easily answered. People only ask in OOC because it's easy, not because they're truly lost.

SNIP

this

[Brain]

Actual, GM did give out illusions in classic. Are you mad you aren't the one getting the illusions?

lol no I know they gave out illusions in classic on rare occasions.
(They didn't give out SOL illusions though buddy)

However, they DID NOT do it every single day every time they zoned into NFP and started "frog resistance wars" or whatever Cyrius was doing today.

It just gets old after awhile.

[Kainzo]

lol no I know they gave out illusions in classic on rare occasions.
(They didn't give out SOL illusions though buddy)

However, they DID NOT do it every single day every time they zoned into NFP and started "frog resistance wars" or whatever Cyrius was doing today.

It just gets old after awhile.

Actually, the GM-Vaylin of Rathe would give out SoL illusions right before SoL ... though that was AFTER they started the patch to allow clients to see vah shir etc images. It was not a daily thing.

When classic ends is really up to the person designing the server.

In my opinion - Classic "ended" at PoP .... and in difficulty in encounters ended in GoD/OOW ... The game at that point start changing to become more "casual" like WoW.

[Beau]

lol no I know they gave out illusions in classic on rare occasions.
(They didn't give out SOL illusions though buddy)

However, they DID NOT do it every single day every time they zoned into NFP and started "frog resistance wars" or whatever Cyrius was doing today.

It just gets old after awhile.

GM'S in classic were a lot better than later era's and got involved a lot more frequently, but even then a good GM that got involved was fired soon after.
GM interaction, be it large or small scale, is classic.

[Yoite]

The GM interaction and giving illusions is awesome, dont know why you are knocking it, but furthermore, it is not the point here, we are discussing the removal of global ooc/auction.

[Elendae]

Stop crying about global chat not being classic.

Want to know what's NOT Classic?

GM's giving out random illusions (sometimes luclin models) every single freaking day at NFP bank. Oh yeah that's awesome.

What about translocators for boats? EQC has boats working, why can't we?

Stop crying about global chat being taken away?

Hey, that works that way too!

[r0xx0r]

lol no I know they gave out illusions in classic on rare occasions.
(They didn't give out SOL illusions though buddy)

However, they DID NOT do it every single day every time they zoned into NFP and started "frog resistance wars" or whatever Cyrius was doing today.

It just gets old after awhile.

GM held events in classic, this is what that is. But trust me there is something classic about you, you're a bitch- those always been around. GG-thx for playing. And honestly I am for changing everything down to snakes kicking and all that- to make this game the way it was. The whole translocator thing has been addressed, having issues with boats atm- so it's not like they doing it because they like it better. Read some patch notes, jesus.


manhatten

[Bones]

What about translocators for boats? EQC has boats working, why can't we?

EQC is working on a different client with different code as far as I know.
Edit: But I'm sure the GMs would love for you to submit a boat fix.

[Malrubius]

Stop crying about global chat not being classic.

Try reading it again more slowly this time...

I hope it is known that the server will become more classic as time progresses. As live servers would patch in new content or features, we patch out newer content or features.

We will restore prekunark, Kunark, and Velious to the best of our abilities. We will put polish on them, and they are free for you to roam. Some content and features may be patched out before others, but do not be of the mindset that present non-classic elements are here to stay. It is only a matter of if they can be fixed, how they can be fixed, and when we can fix them.

I am a classic purist. The biggest mistake everquest ever made, in my opinion, was automating and simplifying the player's experience. Seemingly every new feature or change that was implemented post Velious was something to "benefit" me, that I didn't need to begin with. There are PLENTY of other games that encourage perks and things that are easier. Classic Everquest was widely-known to not be one of them.<team npc=""><team npc="">

We make the best, most well-informed decisions we can, with consideration to the feedback we receive.

</team></team>There was never a question of keeping global channels permanently. The question is to whether or not now is the time. The development team has to consider many factors, *some* of which were mentioned here. If there was a switch to immediately and completely revert this to classic, I'd flip it. Until there is, we will occasionally ask you for your feedback.

[astarothel]

If someone chooses to be /anon or /roleplay has no relevance to this topic. You're trying to tell me that /anon is great for clerics or porters, except when they need a group. That's just the way the game works.


I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.`

[iamjacksrage]

seems like the results are split down the middle

[iamjacksrage]

and if someone really wants the poll to bend one way over another can't they just spam create accounts and vote?

[Myrkskog]

I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.

http://hauntingthunder.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/mr-gumby.jpg

[iamjacksrage]

soo what does this ^ have to do with anything?

[moebius8]

the only answer that makes the most sense is removing the global ooc and replacing it with private chat channels. People can join or not as the channel creator and themselves see fit.
ooc/auction is returned to zone wide status and the 1/2 of the server that enjoys the activity can run from zone to zone looking for one another as they seem to yearn for.
they will also be able to hawk their wares for hours at a time in a single zone instead of gaining exp wont that be awesome?

the rest of us will use a better way because we dont see the glory in running around from zone to zone or standing in which ever zone wins the "lets sell our junk" designator for hours at a time trying to unload that high quality bear skin.
different strokes for different folks and everyone gets what they want with private chat channels.

[r0xx0r]

they have an irc channel, i'm sorry i too am against the private chat channels even. Yes I want old eq back. If that means i suck- well so be it, i can suck start a leaf blower than. >_<


manhatten

[Malrubius]

http://hauntingthunder.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/mr-gumby.jpg

Something about that expression makes me roflmao.

[moebius8]

they have an irc channel, i'm sorry i too am against the private chat channels even. Yes I want old eq back. If that means i suck- well so be it, i can suck start a leaf blower than. >_<


manhatten

this is the attitude i dont understand. what does it matter if people you arent associating with are talking in a private channel you have no interest in joining?

it would be none of your business anyhow

[eqdruid76]

this is the attitude i dont understand. what does it matter if people you arent associating with are talking in a private channel you have no interest in joining?

it would be none of your business anyhow

You just don't get it, do you?

[moebius8]

You just don't get it, do you?

no i dont get how my talking to someone in a private global channel your not invited too and wouldn't be interested in joining if you were has anything whatsoever to do with your game play
.
it would be same if i were running an irc window over the eq screen, its just more convenient to have it all in the client. running several different apps to achieve the same end seems like a useless pain in the ass when we already have the functionality built in.

if i had an irc screen open would you still whine like a little girl because me and my friends were talking to one another and you couldn't understand why?

[r0xx0r]

no i dont get how my talking to someone in a private global channel your not invited too and wouldn't be interested in joining if you were has anything whatsoever to do with your game play
.
it would be same if i were running an irc window over the eq screen, its just more convenient to have it all in the client. running several different apps to achieve the same end seems like a useless pain in the ass when we already have the functionality built in.

if i had an irc screen open would you still whine like a little girl because me and my friends were talking to one another and you couldn't understand why?

because it wasn't in the original game and if it is something that can be changed then change it so it is the way it was. get it-got it? doubt it...


small insert here- no i wouldn't cry like a baby, it's not the devolopers job to make the game more convient for you, it's their job to make it classic, our we speaking greek? didn't you read what all the developers have said?

manhatten

[Brain]

this is the attitude i dont understand. what does it matter if people you arent associating with are talking in a private channel you have no interest in joining?

it would be none of your business anyhow

It's not the fact that they have a problem with what you're talking about. But it does ruin the classic experience.

Back in classic each zone would usually have their own conversation going on (if there was one happening...)

Now the ONLY problem I have with private chat is: The talkers will be talkers, no matter how. If a private chat channel is available the people that talk nonstop will be talking on the private channels which leads zone-wide talk to a minimum...) This creates extremely boring and dry conversations that weren't like classic...

Basically if there is no form of zone-wide communication there will be much more individual zone talk, which is nice but will make groups much harder to find.

[Malrubius]

no i dont get how my talking to someone in a private global channel your not invited too and wouldn't be interested in joining if you were has anything whatsoever to do with your game play
.
it would be same if i were running an irc window over the eq screen, its just more convenient to have it all in the client. running several different apps to achieve the same end seems like a useless pain in the ass when we already have the functionality built in.

if i had an irc screen open would you still whine like a little girl because me and my friends were talking to one another and you couldn't understand why?

Ehh, I could say - "I don't get why other people porting themselves around the world at will with PoK stones has anything whatsoever to do with your gameplay. If you don't like the PoK stones, don't use them. It has no effect on you."

See the problem with that? It is a multiplayer game. What you do *does* affect me, and what I do *does* affect you.

In short, the existence of global channels affects the game world I play in - whether I use them or not. Just like PoK stones, in-game maps, monsters, spells, armor, weapons, good players, bad players, groups, soloers, oceans, land, swamp, lava, string, dung, music, sound, and tiny daggers.

That being said, I personally don't care much either way about private channels. :D I just think that that particular argument doesn't hold any water.

[utenan]

What Malrubius said. It has nothing to do with you talking to people, its how it effects the game, and if you cannot understand that, then I don't know what else to say. As far as private channels go, you might as well just say global channels, because they are all the same thing....

[moebius8]

well theres currently a 2% deviation in the poll. its effectively a 50/50 split so whichever way the wind blows will be extremely divisive to the population as a whole. even the most ardent global hater has to see that.
im glad i dont have to make the choice. I still see global private channels as the best compromise, of course thats only my opinion yours may differ.

[Myrkskog]

Global private channels wouldn't change anything. There will be an private global OOC channel and a private global auction channel. The only difference would be that the text is blue instead of green.

[moebius8]

Global private channels wouldn't change anything. There will be an private global OOC channel and a private global auction channel. The only difference would be that the text is blue instead of green.

you would also have to explictly join the channels so there could be no argument about whether you want to be there or not. from the whining in ooc most of the local channels only crowd cant quite get there heads around how to turn off ooc so this would help them by turning it into an opt in situation.
if you make the choice to be in the channels then you have no room to complain about them. If you dont join the channels then you have nothing to complain about.

[Shawk]

http://web16.twitpic.com/img/104031073-e7e5ea78d74bad8597d7cc988b07173c.4bf78f00-scaled.jpg

Global right now is nothing more then a lazy way to get a group and a place to talk about random shit..

almost 50 pages later and there still has yet to be a good reason to keep it.

[r0xx0r]

you would also have to explictly join the channels so there could be no argument about whether you want to be there or not. from the whining in ooc most of the local channels only crowd cant quite get there heads around how to turn off ooc so this would help them by turning it into an opt in situation.
if you make the choice to be in the channels then you have no room to complain about them. If you dont join the channels then you have nothing to complain about.

ya'll really don't get the point do you? there would be an effect. if you gonna have global private channels might as well have global ooc, it doesn't matter if i can see the damn words or not. it would affect the entire server. c'mon look at it really really hard. Now tell me, honestly- you think it wouldn't affect anyone?- Malrubius put it best

"Ehh, I could say - "I don't get why other people porting themselves around the world at will with PoK stones has anything whatsoever to do with your gameplay. If you don't like the PoK stones, don't use them. It has no effect on you."

See the problem with that? It is a multiplayer game. What you do *does* affect me, and what I do *does* affect you.

In short, the existence of global channels affects the game world I play in - whether I use them or not. Just like PoK stones, in-game maps, monsters, spells, armor, weapons, good players, bad players, groups, soloers, oceans, land, swamp, lava, string, dung, music, sound, and tiny daggers."

think ppl, think.


manhatten

[Wargazm]

yea!!! put manastones back in the game!

[Yertandus]

I think almost everybody playing on this server either played in classic or at least has experience with EQ and I don't think its necessary even for the new players to have global chat.. besides one of the coolest things about classic was the EC tunnel i say bring it back!

[eqdruid76]

At this point, I've given up on the proponents of server-wide chat. They can't comprehend why we don't want it, they're too stubborn to try to understand our point of view, and the only reason they can justify keeping it is that the game will be too hard without it. And when asked why they even play on this server, they respond "because I love classic EQ, I just don't like how frustrating and difficult it is/was"......

/shrug...

[JaVeDK]

At this point, I've given up on the proponents of server-wide chat. They can't comprehend why we don't want it, they're too stubborn to try to understand our point of view, and the only reason they can justify keeping it is that the game will be too hard without it. And when asked why they even play on this server, they respond "because I love classic EQ, I just don't like how frustrating and difficult it is/was"......

/shrug...

I think most proponents of the global chat channels understand very well why some don't want them. I think most of us even agree with you, but feels the population is still too low to support it. At this stage I believe it's a very real concern that the removal of global chat will have a severe impact on the economy and the social interaction - especially during US off-peak hours, where many of us not from North America play.

[Secrets]

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[Aprio]

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You win the thread! :D

[astarothel]

I think most proponents of the global chat channels understand very well why some don't want them. I think most of us even agree with you, but feels the population is still too low to support it. At this stage I believe it's a very real concern that the removal of global chat will have a severe impact on the economy and the social interaction - especially during US off-peak hours, where many of us not from North America play.

^^ This.

Unfortunately the zealots on _both_ sides lost sight of this on page 1 and went off attacking people, and generally being raging asshats.

[svoald]

Could something be done where it turns on or off depending on how many people are on? Like 500 or more global is off, and 499 or less it's on (or whatever numbers seem appropriate)?


I agree with something like this however I can see how it would be frustrating when the server is right at that switch limit and it goes back and forth between zone and global. However if this concept can be tweaked, I really like Soup's idea.

[iamjacksrage]

Man, this poll is so freakin close. Can we really call it if the total difference between votes is a mere 1%?


someone could easily just spam create accounts and vote to sway it one way or another, but regardless of that...


1%!!!!!!!!?!?!?

[nilbog]

someone could easily just spam create accounts and vote to sway it one way or another, but regardless of that...

I'm fairly certain this has been for the past 2 days, for both sides. This is why internet polls do not ever decide anything.

The replies here are far more valuable to me than the poll results.

[Bones]

The replies here are far more valuable to me than the poll results.

This.

[Kinamur1999]

The replies here are far more valuable to me than the poll results.

Global channels is a minor convenience, LFG/Auctions/Noob questions, for an overwhelming amount of bs arguments stemming from the r&f forums that lead to gms having to tell people to chill out.

Forcing people to sit in ec to sell instead of nfp, doing a /who all lfg and /who all <zone>, sounds a HELL of a lot better than the constant spam of 5-6 people screaming at each other over shit thats already plastered all over the forums.

Not to forget, no global channels no more fucking racist bullshit spam from our angry friend

[Asmet]

Its definitely nice to be able to see lfg and auction information as well as advice in one location but its almost impossible to catch those good nuggets of information with all of the arguments about what politician is the best/worst and why, why I hate like this drug and/or why my opinion is far better than yours that chokes out anything useful and completely renders ooc useless.

I found out about this EQ emulator as was excited. I got a few others to start and had hopes to return to and support a game where a good challengewas offered and an awesome community could be found fostered by EQ's need for an interdependent society. However, ooc chat in here seems as bad as Wow and has been very disheartening. It seems to spew more hate than anything else.

People say turn of ooc but then you miss any chance to catch a group or auction that's offered there if you can filter through everything else to find it. It would rock if there were separate channels. Then I could see lfg and auctions and go ahead and turn off occ and leave that to people who want to sling arrows at one another.

[Wildir]

allow IP exemptions for seller accounts in the EC or FP area?
on live, a good portion of the sellers in FP were 2nd boxes set up just to sell, while they were playing on their main character. I would hate to just sit in FP spamming for sells, seems the economy will suffer some from this.

Wildir 50 cleric
Wildcat 50 ranger

[Shawk]

allow IP exemptions for seller accounts in the EC or FP area?
on live, a good portion of the sellers in FP were 2nd boxes set up just to sell, while they were playing on their main character. I would hate to just sit in FP spamming for sells, seems the economy will suffer some from this.

Wildir 50 cleric
Wildcat 50 ranger

Are you suggesting IP exemptions should be made so people can have a second boxed seller? Your post doesn't make much sense..