Americans and Guns (post pics of your armory !)

[Snagglepuss]

The liberal media is out to destroy the conservative way of life with their for-profit structure, predominantly middle-class viewership, and government autonomous operation!

[Ephirith]

Please refer to my previous post for some statistics behind gun violence.

In fact, homicide, assault, rape, and robbery are dramatically lower in areas of the United States where the public is allowed easy access to carrying concealed firearms in public.

That's because the types of places that start adopting concealed carry laws and gun restrictions are also the types of places that have high rates of homicide, assault, rape, and robbery.

And you are using statistics from a self-report survey, the National Self Defense Survey? You know how many biases are tainting that data? You may not be aware of this, but the field of Criminology has a relatively low level scientific integrity compared to other fields. You have to be very careful about your sources in this area.

[Ephirith]

I would call you out for straw manning it, but you even failed at that. You just sound like an idiot. Refute his point head on (Despots demanding relinquish guns prior to atrocities committed) not make a stupid analogy about wearing shoes.

Aw shit I got called out for strawmanning a stupid analogy for quoting...... a strawmanned stupid analogy.

Are you seriously implying our current political culture has ANY relevance to those authoritarian regimes? The argument at hand is: "Constitutional Republic with a cultural heritage of respect for the common law tradition placing restrictions on gun ownership", it's not some link in a chain leading to to a police state you fucking survivalist moron.

[Harmonium]

The only gun-restrictive measure that took effect while Hitler was in power dealt with Jews and non-citizens.

So how did that work out for them?

[Ephirith]

So how did that work out for them?

If the jews had guns they totally would have been able to defend themsleves from the waffen SS, amirite? Just like how if every American was packing a glock we'd totally be able to counter a monopoly of force by the single most powerful military machine in human history. Most American civilians are overweight or obese.

[Daldolma]

So how did that work out for them?

Pretty much the same as it would've worked out for them if that law never was passed, seeing as how they had started building concentration camps in 1933, revoked Jewish citizenship in 1935, banned Jews from professional labor in 1936, instigated forced segregation in 1936 and 1937, and didn't pass the gun laws until 1938.

Try another door.

[Turp]

All of those people were men, I suppose everything about men is wrong as well? I suppose they all also wore shoes. That makes about as much sense as your shitty analogy, and it does nothing to speak of the facts and statistics behind gun violence. Lol in your retard logic Guns kill people? not People kill people?, so in that analogy we should ban all cars because there are more car deaths every year than Guns. You obviously get your news from the TV with that famous Quote "Gun Violence", to try an tie guns with only violence, you dont hear about all the people saved from having a gun, noo they dont report on that. Thats like saying Car violence, them damn cars killing everyone, or how about a bee violence? hundreds die a year from bee stings maybe we should ban the bees! get real lol, North Korea would be perfect for you.

[Daldolma]

Lol in your retard logic Guns kill people? not People kill people?, so in that analogy we should ban all cars because there are more car deaths every year than Guns. You obviously get your news from the TV with that famous Quote "Gun Violence", to try an tie guns with only violence, you dont hear about all the people saved from having a gun, noo they dont report on that. Thats like saying Car violence, them damn cars killing everyone, or how about a bee violence? hundreds die a year from bee stings maybe we should ban the bees! get real lol, North Korea would be perfect for you.

I submit Exhibit A for why the average American should not be allowed to own a firearm. Or, apparently, a bee.

[Kraftwerk]

Aw shit I got called out for strawmanning a stupid analogy for quoting...... a strawmanned stupid analogy.

Are you seriously implying our current political culture has ANY relevance to those authoritarian regimes? The argument at hand is: "Constitutional Republic with a cultural heritage of respect for the common law tradition placing restrictions on gun ownership", it's not some link in a chain leading to to a police state you fucking survivalist moron.

You sound slightly mad. Are you mad?

[Harmonium]

That's because the types of places that start adopting concealed carry laws and gun restrictions are also the types of places that have high rates of homicide, assault, rape, and robbery.

So.. your saying that places with high rates of homicide, assault, rape, and robbery that allow their law abiding citizens to conceal carry see a drastic reduction in said crimes? This is a good thing, no?

And you are using statistics from a self-report survey, the National Self Defense Survey? You know how many biases are tainting that data? You may not be aware of this, but the field of Criminology has a relatively low level scientific integrity compared to other fields. You have to be very careful about your sources in this area.

Previous statistic sources (posted again for your pleasure)

Source: U.S. Department of Justice
Source: Northwestern University School of Law
Source: University of Chicago Law School
Source: The American Journal of Psychiatry March
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Gun control activists were unhappy with the National Self Defense Survey's results, which show that "Every 13 seconds an American gun owner uses a firearm in defense against a criminal."

In a 1994 TV news taping, Handgun Control, Inc.’s, spokesman, Sandy Cooney, called the National Self Defense Survey “obscene” and threw ad hominem slurs at its lead researcher, professor of criminology, Dr. Gary Kleck. Since Kleck is an impartial social scientist with no links to gun advocates or manufacturers — in fact he’s a liberal Democrat — it appears that Kleck’s only sin was doing research which produced results that challenged the gun-control agenda of Handgun Control, Inc., the "Million" Moms, and similar organizations.

So, to refute the results of the National Self Defense Survey, two pro-gun-control researchers, Philip Cook and Jens Ludwig, were given funding by the Clinton administration's Department of Justice to do their own survey of Defensive Gun Uses, to attempt to prove that the National Self Defense Survey's estimate was too high.

Unfortunately for advocates of gun control, the Cook-Ludwig survey produced results about the same as the National Self Defense Survey and -- in one remarkable paragraph -- suggested that their methodology was too conservative and that the Defensive Gun Use figure could even be doubled:

"Because respondents were asked to describe only their most recent defensive gun use, our comparisons are conservative, as they assume only one defensive gun use per defender. ...Inclusion of multiple DGUs reported by half of the 19 NSPOF respondents increases the estimate to 4.7 million DGUs."

Source: The National Institute of Justice, in its survey Guns in America: National Survey on Private Ownership and Use of Firearms by Philip J. Cook and Jens Ludwig.

[Kraftwerk]

I submit Exhibit A for why the average American should not be allowed to own a firearm. Or, apparently, a bee.

An anonymous message board post is your first exhibit in this theoretical courtroom deciding whether Americans should be allowed to own guns?

[Turp]

If the jews had guns they totally would have been able to defend themsleves from the waffen SS, amirite? Just like how if every American was packing a glock we'd totally be able to counter a monopoly of force by the single most powerful military machine in human history. Most American civilians are overweight or obese.
Ok do you not remember this "single most powerful military machine" vs the people of vietnam? Was not that long ago and the Vietnamese were not highly trained or highly armed, and they gave us one hell of a run for our money, there are plenty other examples of this but its not even worth wasting time trying to explain to a brick wall... The jews could of easily fought back if they were all armed an not scared, like in 1776 we fought yet another single most powerful military machine at the time, The British empire with 4-6% of our population in the current colonies, and we won.

[Sodapop]

All i know is i have a few guns/ammo in case i ever have to use them, i.e. burglary, self defense, ww3, zombie apoc. I think you are ill prepared for a real world scenario if you don't.

[Turp]

I submit Exhibit A for why the average American should not be allowed to own a firearm. Or, apparently, a bee. Move to north korea, punk

[Kraftwerk]

All i know is i have a few guns/ammo in case i ever have to use them, i.e. burglary, self defense, ww3, zombie apoc. I think you are ill prepared for a real world scenario if you don't.

Look, being prepared for a situation that may or may not occur makes you a survivalist moron.

Just kidding, you're spot on. It never hurts to own something that our constitution guarantees you the right to own as a precautionary measure.

[Daldolma]

An anonymous message board post is your first exhibit in this theoretical courtroom deciding whether Americans should be allowed to own guns?

You seem to be taking things a little too seriously. I assume you are the proud owner of a firearm and a double-digit IQ.

[Kraftwerk]

You seem to be taking things a little too seriously. I assume you are the proud owner of a firearm and a double-digit IQ.

Whoa don't give me too much credit. Double digit means 10 or more IQs right? That's pretty lofty. I wish I had a gun, they're cool.

[Ephirith]

Ok do you not remember this "single most powerful military machine" vs the people of vietnam? Was not that long ago and the Vietnamese were not highly trained or highly armed, and they gave us one hell of a run for our money, there are plenty other examples of this but its not even worth wasting time trying to explain to a brick wall... The jews could of easily fought back if they were all armed an not scared, like in 1776 we fought yet another single most powerful military machine at the time, The British empire with 4-6% of our population in the current colonies, and we won.

They didn't give us a run for our money, we mowed them down like grass. Tactical victory, after tactical victory. The Viet Cong had 10x as many combat deaths as the USA. Ultimately it was an unwinnable conflict in the strategic sense, because the rules of engagement prevented NATO from mistreating civilians, or routing enemy forces in their havens in neighboring countries without black ops. Similar to our current conflict in Afghanistan, we have complete force superiority. We, at this moment, have the power to round up every Afghan man, woman, and child, and kill them. That would end the conflict. The issue of win vs. no-win lies in the rules of engagement, not in the power of our military machine.

Similarly, the American revolution was a battle more against British willpower than British military might. We made it an expensive war on an already debt-laden empire. It just wasn't worth it for them to try and lock down what was only a marginally profitable set of colonies compared to their holdings in India and elsewhere.

Nazi Germany? No, the Jews would have gone against the ~entirety~ of the Nazi war machine, who had no rules of engagement precluding the massacre of men, women and children. No amount of assault rifles or Jewish survivalist rednecks would have changed that outcome, sorry.

[Daldolma]

All i know is i have a few guns/ammo in case i ever have to use them, i.e. burglary, self defense, ww3, zombie apoc. I think you are ill prepared for a real world scenario if you don't.

This is a mature understanding of the value of a gun.

An immature understanding of the value of a gun would be a belief that you should carry your gun everywhere you go to defend yourself from unspeakable terrors that may await at Starbucks and to Red Dawn your way to freedom against The Government when they come to take your guns, women, and college football team.

[Daldolma]

They didn't give us a run for our money, we mowed them down like grass. Tactical victory, after tactical victory. The Viet Cong had 10x as many combat deaths as the USA. Ultimately it was an unwinnable conflict in the strategic sense, because the rules of engagement prevented NATO from mistreating civilians, or routing enemy forces in their havens in neighboring countries without black ops. Similar to our current conflict in Afghanistan, we have complete force superiority. We, at this moment, have the power to round up every Afghan man, woman, and child, and kill them. That would end the conflict. The issue of win vs. no-win lies in the rules of engagement, not in the power of our military machine.

Similarly, the American revolution was a battle more against British willpower than British military might. We made it an expensive war on an already debt-laden empire. It just wasn't worth it for them to try and lock down what was only a marginally profitable set of colonies compared to their holdings in India and elsewhere.

Nazi Germany? No, the Jews would have gone against the ~entirety~ of the Nazi war machine, who had no rules of engagement precluding the massacre of men, women and children. No amount of assault rifles or Jewish survivalist rednecks would have changed that outcome, sorry.

You shut your mouth. George Washington rode his unicorn of justice straight to the throne of King Hitler and snatched America away from those dirty Viet Cong.

[Sodapop]

This is a mature understanding of the value of a gun.

An immature understanding of the value of a gun would be a belief that you should carry your gun everywhere you go to defend yourself from unspeakable terrors that may await at Starbucks and to Red Dawn your way to freedom against The Government when they come to take your guns, women, and college football team.

Coming from a concealed carry state, we had a case go up here last year I believe that a state university student in my town who was an Iraq war veteran wanted to have concealed carry on campus, but could not because it was state property. I don't know if it passed or not but the last thing I would want in a class room that sits 200 students would be not one person shooting, but more then one. Handguns are inaccurate as fuck.

I don't like guns but if other people can and do have them, I sure as hell am going to have them and know how to use them. I just keep them put up.

[Turp]

Ultimately it was an unwinnable conflict in the strategic sense, because the rules of engagement prevented NATO from mistreating civilians,Similar to our current conflict in Afghanistan, we have complete force superiority. We, at this moment, have the power to round up every Afghan man, woman, and child, and kill them. That would end the conflict. The issue of win vs. no-win lies in the rules of engagement, not in the power of our military machine.
Exactly lol , No shit we can nuclear bomb Afghanistan an kill everyone and "win" in your eyes, do you not think those rules of engagement would apply to American citizens? hell with the way shits going probably not so you may be right:D They never could round us up but with your logic yes they could win any battle technically with 1 bomb. Its true they were not aloud to use Nukes, so they packed up and went home after months of getting shot at by random people, you can never win without a nuke, you could never round up every single citizen unless they were dead or you had some insanely huge prison, that is exactly what would happen in America. TBH i do not think they cared about civil rights of the viet congo we took airforce etc over there and really fucked them up but it was vs farmers with guns and we had to back out.

[Ephirith]

The jews could of easily fought back if they were all armed an not scared

Don't go off topic, this was the point of contention.

you can never win without a nuke, you could never round up every single citizen unless they were dead or you had some insanely huge prison

Oh shit, I think you just described the holocaust.

had some insanely huge prison

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz

The point is, you don't need to nuke a population to systematically exterminate them. It doesn't matter how many guns you have, you're not going to out-gun a modern, well-trained military like ours. Red Dawn was just a movie.

[Turp]

Aw shit I got called out for strawmanning a stupid analogy for quoting...... a strawmanned stupid analogy.

Are you seriously implying our current political culture has ANY relevance to those authoritarian regimes? The argument at hand is: "Constitutional Republic with a cultural heritage of respect for the common law tradition placing restrictions on gun ownership", it's not some link in a chain leading to to a police state you fucking survivalist moron. In your eyes what is a police state? we have military and police roaming the streets (end of posse commentatus and what Hitler one of those regimes did), Free speech zones where you can only protest in these certain zones , NDAA bill passed which is a bill that is like wiping your ass with the constitution and ending due process in court if they say so ( Hitler / China / North korea all just do this and not put it into law like we have done), Attorney general of the United States Eric Holder on TV saying we need to brain wash the public into gun control ( Again they also did this ), Bills like SOPA / CISPA to censor the internet ( Same shit in those regimes censoring the TV) , We have Fluoride in our water ( Fluoride used by Nazis to sterilize inmates and make them docile ) and the list goes on and on, stay in denial all you want , but tyranny is abroad and denial just makes you part of the problem.

[Harmonium]

Similarly, the American revolution was a battle more against British willpower than British military might. We made it an expensive war on an already debt-laden empire. It just wasn't worth it for them to try and lock down what was only a marginally profitable set of colonies compared to their holdings in India and elsewhere.

Okay lets look at the war of 1812. England was feeling mighty powerful. They had just destroyed Napoleon. And they leveled their eyes on America and decided it was time to bring our seditious nation back into the fold.

And when they landed the steamrolled us. Burned the white house, cities and villages up and down the Mississippi were burning from Native American tribes that had been bought for the English cause. We were out numbered, out gunned, and the English forces were clearly more veteran from their extremely recent war in Europe.

Nazi Germany? No, the Jews would have gone against the ~entirety~ of the Nazi war machine, who had no rules of engagement precluding the massacre of men, women and children. No amount of assault rifles or Jewish survivalist rednecks would have changed that outcome, sorry.

In the spring of 1967, following close to a decade of relative calm, Israel found itself poised for war against four of its Arab neighbors.

According to all the military analysts and pundits, it was to be a lopsided match. The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) consisted of 275,000 troops, compared to the 456,000 soldiers of the combined Iraqi, Syrian, Jordanian and Egyptian armies. The united Arab forces also had a decided edge with regards to weaponry and military equipment: they boasted more than double the amount of tanks, and close to four times the amount of combat aircraft. The three-week period preceding the Six-Day War was one of dread, shock and fright for the residents of the Holy Land.

With close to two and a half million Jews living in the tiny country, it had the highest concentration of Jews since pre-Holocaust Eastern Europe. So pessimistic was the outlook that the nation’s cemeteries and national parks were marked to become gravesites for the many who would surely perish in the course of the war.

However, despite all the prognostications, by the time the war ended, the territory under Israeli control had tripled in size. Jews returned to sites where their ancestors had lived for thousands of years, sites from which waves of terror were launched against them for so many years. The casualties and losses were painful, but minimal in comparison to all projections. The Jewish nation was miraculously victorious in the face of unbelievable odds.

History books speak of the “Hundred Years’ War,” the “Thirty Years’ War,” and many other long-fought battles. Here, in a matter of six short days, a nation managed to utterly rout not one, but four powerful enemies!

[Amesplayerofgames]

I hate you fucking hicks.

[Ephirith]

In your eyes what is a police state? we have military and police roaming the streets (end of posse commentatus and what Hitler one of those regimes did), Free speech zones where you can only protest in these certain zones , NDAA bill passed which is a bill that is like wiping your ass with the constitution and ending due process in court if they say so ( Hitler / China / North korea all just do this and not put it into law like we have done), Attorney general of the United States Eric Holder on TV saying we need to brain wash the public into gun control ( Again they also did this ), Bills like SOPA / CISPA to censor the internet ( Same shit in those regimes censoring the TV) , We have Fluoride in our water ( Fluoride used by Nazis to sterilize inmates and make them docile ) and the list goes on and on, stay in denial all you want , but tyranny is abroad and denial just makes you part of the problem.

Quit trying to imply the United States is a police state. We are a constitutional republic, considerably more conservative even than other republics in Europe who don't suffer the "police state" baggage. We have an apparatus for enforcing the rule of law, a police force whose reach is severely limited. Do they occasionally abuse their power? Yes. Are they human? Yes. Should that completely de-legitimize the entire concept of policing? No.

What would it take for you to be happy with governmental authority? Would you like anarchy? Do you want things here to be like they are in Somalia, where there is no rule of law or legitimate centralized government? Why do you obsessively fear one end of the extreme, totalitarianism, but neglect the other, anarchy?

Why is it that even the most minor act of government, like water fluoridation, or the passing of laws meant more to protect the profits of media enterprises than facilitate propaganda, are steps toward Nazi-on-Earth, but deregulation and reductions in governmental authority aren't steps toward Somalian anarchy?

Try to see outside of black-and-white thinking and acknowledge that political thought exists on a spectrum, where we ideally tend toward the middle. It's so incredibly outlandish for you to associate our behaviors with descent into a fascist police state, for so many reasons, it just boggles my mind how you can possibly think this.

In the spring of 1967, following close to a decade of relative calm, Israel found itself poised for war against four of its Arab neighbors.

According to all the military analysts and pundits, it was to be a lopsided match. The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) consisted of 275,000 troops, compared to the 456,000 soldiers of the combined Iraqi, Syrian, Jordanian and Egyptian armies. The united Arab forces also had a decided edge with regards to weaponry and military equipment: they boasted more than double the amount of tanks, and close to four times the amount of combat aircraft. The three-week period preceding the Six-Day War was one of dread, shock and fright for the residents of the Holy Land.

With close to two and a half million Jews living in the tiny country, it had the highest concentration of Jews since pre-Holocaust Eastern Europe. So pessimistic was the outlook that the nation’s cemeteries and national parks were marked to become gravesites for the many who would surely perish in the course of the war.

However, despite all the prognostications, by the time the war ended, the territory under Israeli control had tripled in size. Jews returned to sites where their ancestors had lived for thousands of years, sites from which waves of terror were launched against them for so many years. The casualties and losses were painful, but minimal in comparison to all projections. The Jewish nation was miraculously victorious in the face of unbelievable odds.

History books speak of the “Hundred Years’ War,” the “Thirty Years’ War,” and many other long-fought battles. Here, in a matter of six short days, a nation managed to utterly rout not one, but four powerful enemies!

Are you seriously comparing the potency of the Israeli military machine to jewish civilians living scattered among Europe? What the fuck is this retarded source? The arabs had a numerical advantage but their tanks were old and outdated. Their troops were poorly trained and undisciplined, often running at the first sign of combat. Israel had complete and total air superiority, which is essential in modern conflict. Again, the Arabs had more aircraft but of inferior design, and lacked the command and control apparatus to effectively coordinate an air campaign.

They were decisively defeated by a far superior Israeli military, heavily funded by Western nations and provided with top of the line, sophisticated equipment and modern command doctrine and signals intelligence.

I can't believe you are seriously trying to argue that civilian jews, even if armed, could have defended themselves from the Nazi regime, and that you'd cite a conflict involving one of the most well-trained, well-equipped militaries in the world to support that argument.

[Barkingturtle]

Honestly, guns aren't the answer.

More guns are also: not the answer.

The only way to avoid killing sprees like the one which occurred in Aurora is to stop allowing young white dudes to live alone. It should be illegal for a white dude to live alone before the age of thirty, probably. At the very least, white dudes under twenty-five who live alone should be required to register with the government and be subject to surveillance.

You know it's true, fellas. Bros just get too weird when left to their own. If your mom wasn't upstairs, you'd probably have a little girl tied up in your closet or a bunch of bombs rigged to incinerate anyone foolish enough to enter your sweaty little lair.

[Autotune]

My point was extremely straightforward. All evidence suggests that the presence of more guns results in more gun violence. The theory forwarded in this thread is that the solution to situations like the Aurora shooting is the presence of more guns. That theory has no evidence to support it whatsoever.

Because you claim not to enter any environment without your gun, you would not have been in the theater to prevent the Aurora shooting. In reality, you're making all of this up and you would have cowered between rows of seats when bullets started flying in the dark like any sane person.

None of this will stop you from continue your right-fighting based on nothing but supposition and rhetoric. You're trying to play gun-toting badass on the internet. I, for one, am not impressed. I doubt anyone else is either.

I'm Chuck Norris on the internet. Also, Hitler.

I never said I was a gun-toting badass. I think that is quite obvious if you could read. I have also been shot at before, it wasn't fun then and it wouldn't be fun again. However, I would not hide like a coward and wait for my turn at the barrel when I could do something.

Cowering when you have the ability to save lives isn't sane. It's straight lunacy.

Glad to know a "marine" vet. was out there that had this mentality, yet now I totally question your previous statement of serving.

[Alawen]

I never said I was a gun-toting badass. I think that is quite obvious if you could read. I have also been shot at before, it wasn't fun then and it wouldn't be fun again. However, I would not hide like a coward and wait for my turn at the barrel when I could do something.

Cowering when you have the ability to save lives isn't sane. It's straight lunacy.

Glad to know a "marine" vet. was out there that had this mentality, yet now I totally question your previous statement of serving.

That's an exciting life you're living, son. Toting that iron with you every wear you go, bullets whizzing by your head. Oh, wait. You've been watching movies again and forgetting it's not real, haven't you?

One of the service men who was actually in the Aurora shooting did exactly what I typed. He threw his girlfriend to the floor and covered her with his body. Then he took one for the team. She survived.

Standing there and returning fire is the fastest way to becoming one of the victims. You won't find one member of the police force or military who will endorse that tactic, unless you count Dirty Harry. You're seriously delusional, kid.

[Sodapop]

For relapse, collection throughout the years, i have about half left.
some 1911s, a glock, p226 navy, winchester 30 30, few aks, rock river arms ar, remington 870 knock off and my favorite: a 1936 sears and roebuck 22 bolt action i picked up at auction.

god bless texas!

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[Harmonium]

Nice collection ^

[Sodapop]

and for those who wonder why i have such weapons, bare in mind i have a mullet and i drive a dirt bike to work. semi auto large round rifles work better then plain sight bolt action when you hunt hogs from a helicopter during the summer to keep crops intact during the heat. no trolling.

[Harmonium]

Are you seriously comparing the potency of the Israeli military machine to jewish civilians living scattered among Europe?

Not like your implying. You really have a knack for taking a concept and running into absurdity for the sake of your arguments don't you?

You also have this strange notion that I think that armed jewish civilians would have defeated Hitler on the field of battle. I think that an armed Jewish peoples scattered in Europe would have had many more survivors, that is many would have been able to succeed in escaping. Those that failed to escape would have incurred losses for the Nazi's. Apparently you think their best bet was to just... give in, roll over? Rhetorical question mind you, this debate has grown quite stale.


They were decisively defeated by a far superior Israeli military, heavily funded by Western nations and provided with top of the line, sophisticated equipment and modern command doctrine and signals intelligence.

MYTH

“The United States helped Israel defeat the Arabs in six days.”

FACT

The United States tried to prevent the war through negotiations, but it could not persuade Nasser or the other Arab states to cease their belligerent statements and actions. Still, right before the war, President Johnson warned: “Israel will not be alone unless it decides to go alone.” 16 Then, when the war began, the State Department announced: “Our position is neutral in thought, word and deed.”

Moreover, while the Arabs were falsely accusing the United States of airlifting supplies to Israel, Johnson imposed an arms embargo on the region (France, Israel’s other main arms supplier, also embargoed arms to Israel).

By contrast, the Soviets were supplying massive amounts of arms to the Arabs. Simultaneously, the armies of Kuwait, Algeria, Saudi Arabia and Iraq were contributing troops and arms to the Egyptian, Syrian and Jordanian fronts.

[Autotune]

That's an exciting life you're living, son. Toting that iron with you every wear you go, bullets whizzing by your head. Oh, wait. You've been watching movies again and forgetting it's not real, haven't you?

One of the service men who was actually in the Aurora shooting did exactly what I typed. He threw his girlfriend to the floor and covered her with his body. Then he took one for the team. She survived.

Standing there and returning fire is the fastest way to becoming one of the victims. You won't find one member of the police force or military who will endorse that tactic, unless you count Dirty Harry. You're seriously delusional, kid.

So now you've gone from throwing yourself onto the ground to hide and calling it sane to throwing yourself over another to save another life. Which is it?

That's not exactly what you typed retard.

Keep switching up your stories and rewording what we both type, makes you sound real intelligent.

It's also amazing that a marine vet would think about standing and returning fire, way to make yourself a big ass target. This is the 2nd thing you've typed that makes me seriously doubt you ever served in anything close to the military.

Either you're the dumbest fucking marine to ever wear the uniform or you're just another harrison "combat medic".

[Autotune]

nice collection Sodapop

[Ephirith]

Not like your implying. You really have a knack for taking a concept and running into absurdity for the sake of your arguments don't you?

You also have this strange notion that I think that armed jewish civilians would have defeated Hitler on the field of battle. I think that an armed Jewish peoples scattered in Europe would have had many more survivors, that is many would have been able to succeed in escaping. Those that failed to escape would have incurred losses for the Nazi's. Apparently you think their best bet was to just... give in, roll over? Rhetorical question mind you, this debate has grown quite stale.

The contention was that arming the populace would prevent a government from asserting a monopoly of force, all I was arguing was "No". Whether they would escape or rates of survival would be irrelevant to the topic.


MYTH

“The United States helped Israel defeat the Arabs in six days.”

FACT

The United States tried to prevent the war through negotiations, but it could not persuade Nasser or the other Arab states to cease their belligerent statements and actions. Still, right before the war, President Johnson warned: “Israel will not be alone unless it decides to go alone.” 16 Then, when the war began, the State Department announced: “Our position is neutral in thought, word and deed.”

Moreover, while the Arabs were falsely accusing the United States of airlifting supplies to Israel, Johnson imposed an arms embargo on the region (France, Israel’s other main arms supplier, also embargoed arms to Israel).

By contrast, the Soviets were supplying massive amounts of arms to the Arabs. Simultaneously, the armies of Kuwait, Algeria, Saudi Arabia and Iraq were contributing troops and arms to the Egyptian, Syrian and Jordanian fronts.

The Israelis were driving American made tanks, flying European made aircraft, using NATO small arms, wielded by troops trained in part by NATO advisors. Their military system including signals intelligence, radar technology, and combat doctrine were all bolstered by American aid.

Claiming Israel didn't have American help simply because American troops weren't on the ground ignores much of the reality of the situation.

“Our position is neutral in thought, word and deed.”

Do you honestly, sincerely think the American position was neutral? They may have said that on the international stage, but in reality, the situation was very different.

[Alawen]

So now you've gone from throwing yourself onto the ground to hide and calling it sane to throwing yourself over another to save another life. Which is it?

That's not exactly what you typed retard.

Keep switching up your stories and rewording what we both type, makes you sound real intelligent.

It's also amazing that a marine vet would think about standing and returning fire, way to make yourself a big ass target. This is the 2nd thing you've typed that makes me seriously doubt you ever served in anything close to the military.

Either you're the dumbest fucking marine to ever wear the uniform or you're just another harrison "combat medic".

Do you even try to make any sense, gun-slinging hero?

Here's combat training 101, just for you:

When you hear ordnance, take cover.

You get to have the last word, now. I won't respond to you again because you're clearing arguing just to argue. There's no content to anything you type.

[Amesplayerofgames]

I picture Autotune as an overweight texan with a rat tail haircut wearing a lynyrd skynyrd t-shirt.

Yee Haw you dirty redneck.

THE NORTH WON THE WAR, GET OVER IT.

[Autotune]

Do you even try to make any sense, gun-slinging hero?

Here's combat training 101, just for you:

When you hear ordnance, take cover.

You get to have the last word, now. I won't respond to you again because you're clearing arguing just to argue. There's no content to anything you type.

Oh really? So you took what I said and reworded it back to me. I didn't think anyone could be more of an idiot than Gwence, I was clearly wrong about that.

[Sodapop]

You have to look at guns the same way you look at nuclear weapons. They are all fucking horrible. I couldn't imagine living in a country where our enemies have weapons of that potential, if you were in their shoes wouldn't you want your government to have them? To protect you?

The realization is these weapons exist, no one can change that, to not have them is a mistake. It's an unchallengeable force against your people.

How they are distributed to people who are fucking stupid and/or insane, that is the question.

Here lies the issue of gun regulation, which has been debated since the first firearm.

Game, set, match.

[Goofier]

Fucking sick 30-06 goof.

Thank you :)

[Sodapop]

Thank you :)

ps goof I used to have a xd45 subcompact, dont take me wrong i love springfield armory 1911s. but that xd45 subcompact was the worst handgun i ever owned besides a lorcin .380 auto.

[Goofier]

ps goof I used to have a xd45 subcompact, dont take me wrong i love springfield armory 1911s. but that xd45 subcompact was the worst handgun i ever owned besides a lorcin .380 auto.

What kind of problems did you have with it? Davidson's is giving one away now, and we love the full-size tactical and competition models we have.

[Sodapop]

Kickback on the subcompact was too much, I've grown up shooting handguns ranging from .22 to .50AE, the hardest time I've had hitting a target was with a SA XD45 subcompact 4" barrel (I believe), couldn't hit shit outside of 10 ft, especially if you unloaded it (IE CC situation). Big round, small gun might be the cause, but man I hated that gun.

[Goofier]

Kickback on the subcompact was too much, I've grown up shooting handguns ranging from .22 to .50AE, the hardest time I've had hitting a target was with a SA XD45 subcompact 4" barrel (I believe), couldn't hit shit outside of 10 ft, especially if you unloaded it (IE CC situation). Big round, small gun might be the cause, but man I hated that gun.

Yeah, that was my guess. Very interesting, too, considering the muzzle velocity of the .45 is generall a bit slower than a 9mm. Way heavier, though, so that might do it. Especially in a package that small.

[Sodapop]

Yeah, that was my guess. Very interesting, too, considering the muzzle velocity of the .45 is generall a bit slower than a 9mm. Way heavier, though, so that might do it. Especially in a package that small.


real solution:
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090318185053/uncyclopedia/images/7/79/Gun-38-special.jpg

Although i always pinched my finger every now in then in the trigger shooting these, accurate as fuck.

[Autotune]

real solution:
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090318185053/uncyclopedia/images/7/79/Gun-38-special.jpg

Although i always pinched my finger every now in then in the trigger shooting these, accurate as fuck.

and if you run out of bullets you can always use it as a boomerang

[Bodeanicus]

So now you've gone from throwing yourself onto the ground to hide and calling it sane to throwing yourself over another to save another life. Which is it?

That's not exactly what you typed retard.

Keep switching up your stories and rewording what we both type, makes you sound real intelligent.

It's also amazing that a marine vet would think about standing and returning fire, way to make yourself a big ass target. This is the 2nd thing you've typed that makes me seriously doubt you ever served in anything close to the military.

Either you're the dumbest fucking marine to ever wear the uniform or you're just another harrison "combat medic".

Stop while your'e ahead. You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. You're just some video game pussy who's in love with the idea of being Rambo. Typical "got my ass beat in high school" nerd power trip fantasy, compensating by living in a virtual world, pretending you're a "leader," killing dragons. All the guns in the world will never change that. You're no different than Harrison, just a little better mannered. But still just as big of a pussy.

[Autotune]

Stop while your'e ahead. You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. You're just some video game pussy who's in love with the idea of being Rambo. Typical "got my ass beat in high school" nerd power trip fantasy, compensating by living in a virtual world, pretending you're a "leader," killing dragons. All the guns in the world will never change that. You're no different than Harrison, just a little better mannered. But still just as big of a pussy.

Completely wrong, but nice try.

[Amesplayerofgames]

yee haw

[Bodeanicus]

Completely wrong, but nice try.

You're right. You're a bigger pussy than Harrison, at least he tried to be a real tough guy instead of fantasizing about it and just running his mouth to other nerds on a "I KILLZ ALL UR DRAGONZ" video game forum.

[Autotune]

You're right. You're a bigger pussy than Harrison, at least he tried to be a real tough guy instead of fantasizing about it and just running his mouth to other nerds on a "I KILLZ ALL UR DRAGONZ" video game forum.

You can project your pussy self all you want on me, but i'm not a bitch so it won't bother me. You keep bringing up the in-game aspect of p99, so I am guessing either TMO has hurt your feelings or possibly I did long ago. If it was me, I'm sorry I don't remember what I did to you specifically, I generally don't remember scrubs. If it was TMO, well you're a scrub and I still don't care.

If perhaps my straight talk offends you, you can go fuck yourself. I'm sorry if you think everyone on the internet must be a pussy in their real lives like you, but I'm not one of them. You'll find nothing here but a giant, hairy cock with 2 equally large balls backing him up.

Harrison also never tried and I've never fantasized about it either. Good job being completely wrong again. Amazing how I can piss off so many pussy-ass retards in one thread.

[Bodeanicus]

Ok do you even know history? The british were the biggest baddest out there never been defeated and 4% - 6% rose up in 1776 a bunch of farmers an hicks not Gears of war faggots like you stood up an whooped there fucking ass . Your logic is all wrong a skilled group with military training cannot beat guerrilla warfare, plenty of examples of this one being Vietnam and countless others that you can research for yourself. Like i told the last guy go ahead an turn in your guns, your so positive this government wont turn into another hitler,an history does not repeat itself ohh no neverrr, trade your liberty for so called security <--- is the real ludicrous.

Jesus Christ, who let the inbreed Down's Syndrome kid have a computer.

First of all, dumbass, the height of weapons technology was the single shot musket and cannon. Try to think about that. I know it's hard. Our military now has cruise missiles, drones, nerve and bio agents, nukes, tanks, jets, and a million other things the writers of the 2nd Amendment never dreamed of. The American citizenry has absolutely no chance against a properly trained and supplied army, especially our own. The best we could hope for would be a pissant guerrilla war after we'd been steamrolled in a month.

Secondly, Vietnam was supplied by Russia and China. Who do you think will supply us? Canada and Mexico? No fucking way.

[Bodeanicus]

You can project your pussy self all you want on me, but i'm not a bitch so it won't bother me. You keep bringing up the in-game aspect of p99, so I am guessing either TMO has hurt your feelings or possibly I did long ago. If it was me, I'm sorry I don't remember what I did to you specifically, I generally don't remember scrubs. If it was TMO, well you're a scrub and I still don't care.

If perhaps my straight talk offends you, you can go fuck yourself. I'm sorry if you think everyone on the internet must be a pussy in their real lives like you, but I'm not one of them. You'll find nothing here but a giant, hairy cock with 2 equally large balls backing him up.

Harrison also never tried and I've never fantasized about it either. Good job being completely wrong again. Amazing how I can piss off so many pussy-ass retards in one thread.

Sure he did. He actually signed up, and tried. Unlike you. But here you are, talking mad shit to real veterans like you're some kind of tough guy on a video game forum, when you're actually just a huge fucking pussy leading his merry band of sociopathic social rejects in a crusade to gather pixels. No wonder you think you need a gun. The real world is scary place, isn't it, splittail?

[Autotune]

Jesus Christ, who let the inbreed Down's Syndrome kid have a computer.

First of all, dumbass, the height of weapons technology was the single shot musket and cannon. Try to think about that. I know it's hard. Our military now has cruise missiles, drones, nerve and bio agents, nukes, tanks, jets, and a million other things the writers of the 2nd Amendment never dreamed of. The American citizenry has absolutely no chance against a properly trained and supplied army, especially our own. The best we could hope for would be a pissant guerrilla war after we'd been steamrolled in a month.

Secondly, Vietnam was supplied by Russia and China. Who do you think will supply us? Canada and Mexico? No fucking way.

Confirmed fucking stupid.

I bet you're horrible at thinking past your morning piss.

[Hasbinlulz]

Der herp!! Herp der!! Derp her!! Her derp!!

[Bodeanicus]

Blackwater Tactical edition, sooooo nasty~
And no longer available.

Awesome, named after a company whose employees murdered Afghan and Iraqi civilians for fun. I'd be proud to own that pistol, and hold it in my left had while I beat off to pictures of mutilated raghead women. It's awesome, bros!

[Autotune]

Sure he did. He actually signed up, and tried. Unlike you. But here you are, talking mad shit to real veterans like you're some kind of tough guy on a video game forum, when you're actually just a huge fucking pussy leading his merry band of sociopathic social rejects in a crusade to gather pixels. No wonder you think you need a gun. The real world is scary place, isn't it, splittail?

Harrison never even got the chance to try. He was turned down. Fucking retard.

I know veterans, my family is full of them. If a "veteran" is as fucking stupid as the one that was on here earlier, you best believe I'll talk down to him. The "vet" probably never seen combat and if he had, he was probably carried by people with intelligence vastly superior to his (which is saying something for the marines).

I can tell now that you are greatly upset by video games. Have fun spending your life as some basement dwelling nerd who can't carry a on conversation with the opposite sex because it doesn't consist of pixelated fairy tell creatures and weaponry.

[Bodeanicus]

According to the National Self Defense Survey conducted by Florida State University criminologists in 1994, the rate of Defensive Gun Uses can be projected nationwide to approximately 2.5 million per year -- one Defensive Gun Use every 13 seconds.

Among 15.7% of gun defenders interviewed nationwide during The National Self Defense Survey, the defender believed that someone "almost certainly" would have died had the gun not been used for protection -- a life saved by a privately held gun about once every 1.3 minutes. (In another 14.2% cases, the defender believed someone "probably" would have died if the gun hadn't been used in defense.)

In 83.5% of these successful gun defenses, the attacker either threatened or used force first -- disproving the myth that having a gun available for defense wouldn't make any difference.

In 91.7% of these incidents the defensive use of a gun did not wound or kill the criminal attacker (and the gun defense wouldn't be called "newsworthy" by newspaper or TV news editors). In 64.2% of these gun-defense cases, the police learned of the defense, which means that the media could also find out and report on them if they chose to.

In 73.4% of these gun-defense incidents, the attacker was a stranger to the intended victim. (Defenses against a family member or intimate were rare -- well under 10%.) This disproves the myth that a gun kept for defense will most likely be used against a family member or someone you love.

In over half of these gun defense incidents, the defender was facing two or more attackers -- and three or more attackers in over a quarter of these cases. (No means of defense other than a firearm -- martial arts, pepper spray, or stun guns -- gives a potential victim a decent chance of getting away uninjured when facing multiple attackers.)

In 79.7% of these gun defenses, the defender used a concealable handgun. A quarter of the gun defenses occured in places away from the defender's home.


Source: "Armed Resistance to Crime: The Prevalence and Nature of Self-Defense with a Gun," by Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz, in The Journal of Criminal Law & Criminology, Northwestern University School of Law, Volume 86, Number 1, Fall, 1995

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Relationship between type of gun owned and
percent committing street, drug and gun crimes.
Illegal gun:
Street crimes = 74%
Drug use = 41%
Gun crimes = 21%

No gun:
Street crimes = 24%
Drug use = 15%
Gun crimes = 1%

Legal Gun:
Street crimes = 14%
Drug use = 13%
Gun crimes = 0%

Source: U.S. Department of Justice, National Institute of Justice, Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention, NCJ-143454, "Urban Delinquency and Substance Abuse," August 1995.

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Making it legally possible for civilians to carry concealed weapons does not make society more violent or result in shootouts at traffic accidents.
The rate of criminal misuse of firearms by the hundreds of thousands of persons licensed to carry concealed firearms in Florida is so low as to be statistically zero. In fact, homicide, assault, rape, and robbery are dramatically lower in areas of the United States where the public is allowed easy access to carrying concealed firearms in public.


Sources: Florida Department of State, Concealed Weapons/ Firearms License Statistical Report and "Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns," by John R. Lott, Olin Fellow in Law and Economics at the University of Chicago Law School and David B. Mustard, graduate student, Department of Economics, Journal of Legal Studies, January 1997.

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Making guns less available does not reduce suicide but merely causes the person seeking death to use another means.
While gun-related suicides were reduced by Canada's gun control legislation of 1978, the overall suicide rate did not go down at all: the gun-related suicides were replaced 100% by an increase in other types of suicide -- mostly jumping off bridges.
"The authors describe suicide rates in Toronto and Ontario and methods used for suicide in Toronto for 5 years before and after enactment of Canadian gun control legislation in 1978. They also present data from San Diego, Calif., where state laws attempt to limit access to guns by certain psychiatric patients. Both sets of data indicate that gun control legislation may have led to decreased use of guns by suicidal men, but the difference was apparently offset by an increase in suicide by leaping. In the case of men using guns for suicide, these data support a hypothesis of substitution of suicide method."


Source: "Guns and suicide: possible effects of some specific legislation," Rich, Young, Fowler, Wagner, and Black, The American Journal of Psychiatry March, 1990

How much does the NRA pay you for the privilege of sucking their collective dicks? Or are you stupid enough to do it for free?

[Bodeanicus]

Harrison never even got the chance to try. He was turned down. Fucking retard.

I know veterans, my family is full of them. If a "veteran" is as fucking stupid as the one that was on here earlier, you best believe I'll talk down to him. The "vet" probably never seen combat and if he had, he was probably carried by people with intelligence vastly superior to his (which is saying something for the marines).

I can tell now that you are greatly upset by video games. Have fun spending your life as some basement dwelling nerd who can't carry a on conversation with the opposite sex because it doesn't consist of pixelated fairy tell creatures and weaponry.

I can tell you're a pussy who's afraid to leave the house without a gun. And this is being a pussy, my friend, no matter what your NRA propaganda magazines tell you. Just tell the truth, and admit you like fucking yourself in the ass with your gun. And I don't think you need to be calling anyone a basement dwelling nerd who can't get laid, champ.

[Bodeanicus]

Also I find it odd that nobody is holding the Cinema in any way resposible for this tragedy.

It's all a cover up.

Hell the day the shooting happened Batman had JUST OPENED here in NYC.....and all new reports of the "batman massacre" were taken off the air IMMEDIATELY.

Here in NYC there wasn't a single word of the shooting on television news til a full 24 hours later -- I thought my friend was fuckin with me cuz we were about to head out and see the movie.

Why do I carry a firearm? Because places like this Cinema have ABSOLUTELY NO SECURITY. NONE. NO FUCKING SECURITY.

This guy walked with with a fucking shotgun and an assault rifle, wearing full tactical gear etc etc etc.

From what I understand, he bought his ticket and entered the theater, then propped the back emergency exit door open. Aren't those emergeny exits supposed to be alarmed?

How did this guy walk across the entire parking lot wearing full tactical gear, with nobody seein him?

How was he able to prop the rear door open for an extended period of time, with nobody seeing him?

The list goes on and on. Companies like "Cinemark Holdings" don't care about your safety.....they merely give you the ILLUSION that they do. By "officially banning firearms from all of their 459 facilities" they get a free pass on any/all resposibility. It will sure be interesting to see what they state in their defense when the law suits over this incident start cropping up.

These places don't wanna pay for any sort of security, and for this reason, I carry a firearm. In a world full of rent-a-cops armed with pepper spray, and thugs armed with firearms, I choose to defend MYSELF.

Maybe you should just stay your ass at home if you're that afraid. Maybe you and Autotune could hang out. Brush each other's hair, watch "Sex And The City," get in touch with each others "inner" feelings.

[Autotune]

I can tell you're a pussy who's afraid to leave the house without a gun. And this is being a pussy, my friend, no matter what your NRA propaganda magazines tell you. Just tell the truth, and admit you like fucking yourself in the ass with your gun. And I don't think you need to be calling anyone a basement dwelling nerd who can't get laid, champ.

Oh I never mentioned you couldn't get laid, but that's nice to know. You must be fucking broke and a basement dweller.

I don't leave the house without my gun either, because I'm not some idiot that thinks my 911 call will have a cop on my ass in time to defend me.

However, considering you never leave the basement, I am sure your mommy and daddy will protect you and your virginity.

[Daldolma]

That guys an idiot, just ignore him.

All one needs to look at is the BTK murders. Here's a guy who entered homes IN BROAD DAYLIGHT to rape, torture and execute whole families.

He did careful scouting to ensure that none of his victims owned firearms.

All one needs to do is look at the Jersey Shore shark attacks of 1916. Here's a shark that swam near shore IN BROAD DAYLIGHT to bite people in half. The shark did careful scouting to ensure that none of his victims were in nuclear-powered submarines with Tomahawk guided missiles.

This is why I never enter the ocean without a nuclear-powered submarine with Tomahawk guided missiles. I made a promise to my wife and children to protect them, and even if the chances are 1:1,000,000, you damn well better believe that shark is getting a Tomahawk missile up the ass before he comes near my family.

Sorry I'm not some pussy liberal pro-shark attack commie that is content to sit idly by while my family is ripped into pieces.

[Bodeanicus]

All one needs to do is look at the Jersey Shore shark attacks of 1916. Here's a shark that swam near shore IN BROAD DAYLIGHT to bite people in half. The shark did careful scouting to ensure that none of his victims were in nuclear-powered submarines with Tomahawk guided missiles.

This is why I never enter the ocean without a nuclear-powered submarine with Tomahawk guided missiles. I made a promise to my wife and children to protect them, and even if the chances are 1:1,000,000, you damn well better believe that shark is getting a Tomahawk missile up the ass before he comes near my family.

Sorry I'm not some pussy liberal pro-shark attack commie that is content to sit idly by while my family is ripped into pieces.

[Autotune]

All one needs to do is look at the Jersey Shore shark attacks of 1916. Here's a shark that swam near shore IN BROAD DAYLIGHT to bite people in half. The shark did careful scouting to ensure that none of his victims were in nuclear-powered submarines with Tomahawk guided missiles.

This is why I never enter the ocean without a nuclear-powered submarine with Tomahawk guided missiles. I made a promise to my wife and children to protect them, and even if the chances are 1:1,000,000, you damn well better believe that shark is getting a Tomahawk missile up the ass before he comes near my family.

Sorry I'm not some pussy liberal pro-shark attack commie that is content to sit idly by while my family is ripped into pieces.

I love this comparison, it's like, you're so fucking stupid you don't can't even comprehend the level of stupid you are.

[Bodeanicus]

I don't leave the house without my gun either, because I'm not some idiot that thinks my 911 call will have a cop on my ass in time to defend me.

Because you'e a pussy. Even if you had been in that theater, with your pistol (which, by the way, is the stupidest choice of firearms for self defense. Shotgun, all the way,) you would have died or been wounded with the rest of them. Your eyes would have been directly on the screen when the shooting started, and you wouldn't have done shit but lay on your face between the seats like most other people did. So stop pretending you're tough, because you're not, or that you would have done something if you were there. The fact the you feel the need to carry a concealed weapon with you everywhere might as well be a neon sign saying "I'm A Pussy."

[Bodeanicus]

I love this comparison, it's like, you're so fucking stupid you don't can't even comprehend the level of stupid you are.

Herp da derp derp derp! I some stupid, I can't think of and argument, so I'll say you're stupid! Heeeeerrrrrrrr......

[Jacquouille]

I love this comparison, it's like, you're so fucking stupid you don't can't even comprehend the level of stupid you are.

lol

[Autotune]

Because you'e a pussy. Even if you had been in that theater, with your pistol (which, by the way, is the stupidest choice of firearms for self defense. Shotgun, all the way,) you would have died or been wounded with the rest of them. Your eyes would have been directly on the screen when the shooting started, and you wouldn't have done shit but lay on your face between the seats like most other people did. So stop pretending you're tough, because you're not, or that you would have done something if you were there. The fact the you feel the need to carry a concealed weapon with you everywhere might as well be a neon sign saying "I'm A Pussy."

1) A shotgun is better choice, but can't carry it concealed. You're fucking stupid.

2) stating the obvious (looking at the screen) which just so happened to be where the shooter stood. Many recounts of the night by people in there stated that they seen the man move up and down the aisles. Taking cover is the correct choice to start off, then drawing your weapon and then returning fire. You're fucking stupid.

3) The ignorant often can't comprehend the actions of their intellectual superiors. You're Fucking stupid.

You'll never understand, because you're a sheep. Sheep depend on an outside force to protect them. When the big bad wolf shows up, I hope your farmer is on the far side of the field tending his other herd. Then perhaps you might understand the logic, however, I am sure you still think you're intelligent for trusting your life to laws you can't see and that won't shield you when an outlaw decides to take your life.

Have fun living life protected by your ignorance. I'll stick to trusting my Beretta.

[Harmonium]

lol the short bus trolls found this thread I see

[LordFresh]

1) A shotgun is better choice, but can't carry it concealed. You're fucking stupid.

2) stating the obvious (looking at the screen) which just so happened to be where the shooter stood. Many recounts of the night by people in there stated that they seen the man move up and down the aisles. Taking cover is the correct choice to start off, then drawing your weapon and then returning fire. You're fucking stupid.

3) The ignorant often can't comprehend the actions of their intellectual superiors. You're Fucking stupid.

You'll never understand, because you're a sheep. Sheep depend on an outside force to protect them. When the big bad wolf shows up, I hope your farmer is on the far side of the field tending his other herd. Then perhaps you might understand the logic, however, I am sure you still think you're intelligent for trusting your life to laws you can't see and that won't shield you when an outlaw decides to take your life.

Have fun living life protected by your ignorance. I'll stick to trusting my Beretta.
Funny you say that, I agree and I just came back from watching batman. Had my beretta with me.

[Daldolma]

I love this comparison, it's like, you're so fucking stupid you don't can't even comprehend the level of stupid you are.

That's just like, your opinion, man.

My opinion is that you're a RL pussy that spends 9/10 of his waking life posting on these forums.

[Daldolma]

lol the short bus trolls found this thread I see

Tell me again about the time Hitler required his citizens to relinquish all their firearms. Was that before or after Hellboy won the war?

[JenJen]

i play EQ with my machine gun next to me at all times

[Goofier]

About 100 yards, if that, from our front door:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/_fe704YRpa8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

The little old lady that lived across the street from us got busted in on by 2 kids one night. A guy got held up at gunpoint at the end of the block. George Sodini was riding the same bus as my wife, and 2 friends were supposed to be at the gym that night. Richard Baumhammers shot up a church right down the hill from us and the Chinese place I used to go for lunch.

Yup, we got guns. Legal ones.
'Cause criminals. Don't. Care.

[Goofier]

Oh, just started making plans. If all goes well, I'll post some video of us shooting a Steyr Aug clone and our 20 gauge with dragon's breath.

[LordFresh]

Wow crazy video. People be crazy

[runlvlzero]

All of those people were men, I suppose everything about men is wrong as well? I suppose they all also wore shoes. That makes about as much sense as your shitty analogy, and it does nothing to speak of the facts and statistics behind gun violence.

Thats a simplistic way of taking a simple observation out of context and spinning it.

The real deal is - there is a war on for your freedom, I specifically remember a well payed blonde ditz getting on TV and blaming "Mass Murder" on freedom.

Anyone whos been through colledge knows that being free and being empowered (including empowered to defend yourself) are not "causal" to mass murder. However TYRANNY and STRICT FUCKED UP LAWS are... simple as that. Enjoy your North Korean happy time.

[Harmonium]

http://i.imgur.com/Ve7o8.jpg

[runlvlzero]

Lol good point - you don't have to even be afraid of a fucking thing, =P I bet she was just a pro markswomen proud of her trade.

[Daldolma]

Your empowerment is an illusion. If the government wants you dead, you're dead. If the government wants you taken prisoner, you're taken prisoner. If they want to hear your phone calls, they hear your phone calls. Owning a gun that's 40 years behind DoD technology isn't going to help you.

It's not 1776, we're not being occupied, you're not winning a war with a bunch of inbred hillbillies that wouldn't hand over their assault rifles.

[Harmonium]

We get it Daldolma, if anyone comes for you, your A-OK with just rolling over for them. Not everyone happens to share that sentiment.

[Harmonium]

http://i.imgur.com/UlrJa.jpg

[LordFresh]

The american dream.

[LordFresh]

sorry forgot to add pic

[Harmonium]

Nice piece, I just hate how expensive .45 ammo is

[Daldolma]

We get it Daldolma, if anyone comes for you, your A-OK with just rolling over for them. Not everyone happens to share that sentiment.

There's a pretty enormous gap between just rolling over for someone that "comes for me" and carrying a gun into every movie theater, coffee shop, and Chuck E Cheese I happen upon.

There's also a difference between owning a gun in case for some unanticipated reason you may need it in the future, and owning a gun because you think it empowers you to take on the US government if need arises.

[Harmonium]

There's a pretty enormous gap between just rolling over for someone that "comes for me" and carrying a gun into every movie theater, coffee shop, and Chuck E Cheese I happen upon.

If you took a poll on the people from survivors of the Colorado shooting asking "Would you have liked a gun on you, that night in the movie theater" I wonder what the results would be. :rolleyes:

There's also a difference between owning a gun in case for some unanticipated reason you may need it in the future, and owning a gun because you think it empowers you to take on the US government if need arises.

You make assumptions that clearly empower your case on this. If there was a civil war, do you honestly believe that active duty military members would unanimously follow orders to kill American civilians? As a veteran myself, I wouldn't.

Between a split in the military (and one can only hope that the majority of soldiers in this country would hold to their oath to protect the Constitution), Veterans, trained Militia, armed civilians, all fighting on familiar ground with support from local communities. I don't think it would be as cut and dry as you make it.

You paint it like some rogue civilian with a pistol going up against the full might of the government, three letter agencies, and military. Of course such a scenario is ridiculous, but it's a rather weak position on why people shouldn't own a gun.

[Barkingturtle]

If you took a poll on the people from survivors of the Colorado shooting asking "Would you have liked a gun on you, that night in the movie theater" I wonder what the results would be. :rolleyes:
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I imagine many of these people will emerge from this scenario with a new-found loathing of guns, actually.

I mean, not every victim of molestation goes on to be a pervert.

[Daldolma]

If you took a poll on the people from survivors of the Colorado shooting asking "Would you have liked a gun on you, that night in the movie theater" I wonder what the results would be. :rolleyes:



You make assumptions that clearly empower your case on this. If there was a civil war, do you honestly believe that active duty military members would unanimously follow orders to kill American civilians? As a veteran myself, I wouldn't.

Between a split in the military (and one can only hope that the majority of soldiers in this country would hold to their oath to protect the Constitution), Veterans, trained Militia, armed civilians, all fighting on familiar ground with support from local communities. I don't think it would be as cut and dry as you make it.

You paint it like some rogue civilian with a pistol going up against the full might of the government, three letter agencies, and military. Of course such a scenario is ridiculous, but it's a rather weak position on why people shouldn't own a gun.

If you took a poll on the survivors of the Jersey shark attacks asking "Would you have preferred to be in a nuclear-powered submarine with Tomahawk missiles?", I wonder what the results would be.

And there wouldn't be a civil war, so I'd rather not engage in masturbatory fantasies about me, conscientious objectors, and armed civilians hiding in the mountains and taking out tanks with Patrick Swayze's ghost.

[Harmonium]

I imagine many of these people will emerge from this scenario with a new-found loathing of guns, actually.

I mean, not every victim of molestation goes on to be a pervert.

lol because owning a gun is like being a sexual predator.


If you took a poll on the survivors of the Jersey shark attacks asking "Would you have preferred to be in a nuclear-powered submarine with Tomahawk missiles?", I wonder what the results would be.

And there wouldn't be a civil war, so I'd rather not engage in masturbatory fantasies about me, conscientious objectors, and armed civilians hiding in the mountains and taking out tanks with Patrick Swayze's ghost.

Another wonderful analogy. I got nothing man. You win!

Oh wait, your comparing a civil war to Red Dawn... honestly?

[Daldolma]

It's your fantasy, bro. You tell me what happens. I just assumed we could tie in Swayze. First we start a civil war against the most technologically advanced military in the world, then we gather up all the armed civilians and conscientious objectors, then you fill in the blanks. I'm interested to see how you finish this scenario without the use of "unmanned drones" and "obliterated".

[Harmonium]

It's your fantasy, bro. You tell me what happens. I just assumed we could tie in Swayze. First we start a civil war against the most technologically advanced military in the world, then we gather up all the armed civilians and conscientious objectors, then you fill in the blanks. I'm interested to see how you finish this scenario without the use of "unmanned drones" and "obliterated".

Confirmed best straw man fallacy ever.

[Daldolma]

I don't think you know what a straw man is. Your scenario is patently absurd. I don't need to misrepresent it. Just because I'm laughing at your immaturity doesn't mean I'm misrepresenting it. Please explain to me the scenario in which this scenario will occur and not be almost instantly crushed.

[Harmonium]

please, elaborate on the absurdity? What exactly do you find immature? I mean I could try and break every concept down to a 10 year old level for you, but that would require more effort than I'm willing to commit.

[Ephirith]

Claim: Civilians carrying guns helps counter the tyranny of the government.

Reality: Ignorant fucks who don't know shit about politics, don't vote, have no critical thinking skills, and take no personal responsibility for the condition of their country cause the tyranny of government.

Your guns are irrelevant and relegated to an implausible redneck survival fantasy in which the government suddenly decides to impose martial law, all because a statesman three hundred years ago said that was how it would go down- centuries before the internet, the machine gun, the sniper rifle, nuclear weapons, fighter jets, and tanks all made large swaths of Enlightenment-era political thought utterly obsolete.

If our country ever goes down the shitter into totalitarianism- or worse, anarchy- it won't be by force, it won't be a gunfight. It will be because too many people are way too fucking stupid to perpetuate a healthy democratic state. Healthy democracy requires an enlightened electorate. So quit fucking talking about big government toting a gun to your door- its irrelevant and serves no purpose in justifying the ownership of a gun. You want to protect your freedom? Read a fucking book.

[Daldolma]

It's absurd because we have prohibitive military might. You cannot pose an existential threat to our government. There has never been a civil war in a nuclear-armed country, and we're not just any nuclear country. We're 20 years ahead of China's military technology, which means we're 40 years ahead of whatever non-governmental resistance you're conceiving of. Your gun wouldn't mean shit.

It wouldn't be a "war". Theoretically, it would be pockets of militants being put down. In reality, it would never come to that because you'd have to be insane to enter an armed conflict with a goal of overthrowing the US government, and there simply aren't enough insane people.

[Daldolma]

I don't understand how you don't understand the gap in technology. As far as the US government is concerned, your biggest, baddest assault rifle might as well be a crossbow, a sword, or a slingshot. If they wanted you dead, they could kill you with machines and satellites from a thousand miles away.

Your gun is good for shooting up civilians and animals. That's pretty much it.

[Harmonium]

It's absurd because we have prohibitive military might. You cannot pose an existential threat to our government.

I am identifying this as the backbone of your logic. To which I say a civil war would result in a split military. It wouldn't be civilians vs military. There would be military tech and personnel on both sides.

If you don't agree with me on that, then there's really no point in debating this any further.

[Daldolma]

If that were the case, then what good is your gun? Funding and armories would be split, and you'd be free to arm yourself to the teeth with modern American equipment and fight your war by traditional means. Your crap civilian weaponry would still be useless, you just might not be routed in this theoretical civil war.

(Note that I'm not actually agreeing that this type of civil war is even remotely possible, just pointing out that it doesn't serve as an impetus to stockpile guns.

[Autotune]

If that were the case, then what good is your gun? Funding and armories would be split, and you'd be free to arm yourself to the teeth with modern American equipment and fight your war by traditional means. Your crap civilian weaponry would still be useless, you just might not be routed in this theoretical civil war.

(Note that I'm not actually agreeing that this type of civil war is even remotely possible, just pointing out that it doesn't serve as an impetus to stockpile guns.

Having guns (regardless of what they are) is better than not having any guns, regardless of who you are facing. Go back and look at history, people still fought back with less advanced weaponry better than the ones who had little to no weaponry.

[Harmonium]

Stealin beat me to it. It's all about weapon proficiency. I regularly shoot the guns I own, and will perform much better with the guns I practice with than another gun even if it is superior. Besides, did you see my pic? My arsenal is pretty decent :)

[Daldolma]

Having guns (regardless of what they are) is better than not having any guns, regardless of who you are facing. Go back and look at history, people still fought back with less advanced weaponry better than the ones who had little to no weaponry.

I disagree with this assessment. You're better off not fighting than attacking the US military with a musket. Your entire argument is predicated on the assumption that you're better off "fighting back".

There is no fighting back if the US government wants you dead. Whether you have a crossbow, a handgun, an assault rifle, or a fucking bazooka, you're not doing shit about an unmanned drone that wipes you out before you know it's there. This basis for having a gun is a fantasy.

[runlvlzero]

I disagree with this assessment. You're better off not fighting than attacking the US military with a musket. Your entire argument is predicated on the assumption that you're better off "fighting back".

There is no fighting back if the US government wants you dead. Whether you have a crossbow, a handgun, an assault rifle, or a fucking bazooka, you're not doing shit about an unmanned drone that wipes you out before you know it's there. This basis for having a gun is a fantasy.

Ever seen someone win without a gun? Happens all the time, its called fighting a real war instead of a pretend war.

The wars you see on TV with the big missiles and fancy robot drone ships are faught against an un-organized force taught by the CIA with 20 year old tactics.

There are more stealthy and subversive ways of overthrowing the "Power Elite" without even going after the military. You can't have jackbooted thugs if those jackbooted thugs dont get food, water, and shelter.

Guns will not win a conventional war, but are useful personal protection in many instances were a small squad of jackbooted thugs are attacking a critical target.

They are also usefull for assasination. Just as regular old fashoined bows are... a bow shot in the dark is far more effective then a loud sniper shot if you can get close to your target =P Even conventional standard issue body armor does not work so well against the peircing shape of knives and arrows.

Now I am bording on scary patriot act stuff. But it is not inconcievable that a sizeable portion of the population might wish to resist the "Govmnt". Theoretically it could be done... disrupting communications and supply lines, we would win by attrition, the soldiers would eventually just go home and join the rest of the average folk or city states or whatever while the bankers, backers and rich could not fund a sustained "Thermo-nuclear robo war".

This is why hillbillies with guns and home made knives are such a threat to the people who have the Mccaininites and Obamians by the ballz.

[runlvlzero]

Double post with Internet Nazi's +5 for the win...

Also look at world war II, ever seen the movie about the sniper guys in Russia versus the "Superior" germans?

Who won that conflict, bunch of hillbilly russian farmers in buildings with hunting rifles.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0215750/ Enemy at the Gates ftw...

[Daldolma]

Can't tell if serious.

[runlvlzero]

My ninja skills are far superior to your lack of ability to tell if I'm serious or not P

But seriously if you think demanding that all the hillbillies disarm is gonna make you safer and NOT MATTER to them, your nuts.

Because it does matter... its not your right to fuck with our rights in this regard and the problem with this country degenerating into a shithole is because people cant just shut it and start lobbying for community shit to start fixing the economy instead countries like germany pay out shit tons of money for startups to use whatever 'super clean new energy they have'

this is called promoting something

its far better then banning shit

we've banned just about everything meaningful in this damn country or are working on it and made enough jackass laws and commericial regulations to just about fuck ourselves.

So yeah, scream ban guns, waste all your time and energy on it...

why don't ya'll STFU and like... promote deregulating the tech for molten salt reactors, or campaigning for that shit? why not subsidise it and create jobs building them... but no ya'll are about to ban nuclear too, not just faulty crappy nuclear but all nuclear...

FIX YO OWN SHIT, then tell the hillbillies what to do

[runlvlzero]

Also at the rate the economy is failing your super awesoem high tech elite shock troopers would basically have to turtle in one city and get resupplied from outside the country... this may infact be a strategy that could come to fruition... by all means leave the rest of the country to the crazed hillbillies

[Daldolma]

I don't know what kind of drugs you're on, but they must be awesome.

[runlvlzero]

Better then yours you egg sucking traitor! j/k

But dood seriously you are arguing on the internet that stupid people en mass with any amount of firepower do not matter.... this is not true... everyone matters, even the people you think are stupid and need to be controlled.

So I recommend you learn to stop living and fear and just do your thing cause the fast majority of the doods and doodettes posting their pictures of their sexy toys are on about doing just that.

[runlvlzero]

fucking a... *VAST not fast its late and i'm gonna stop rage posting on you =)

[runlvlzero]

blegh "Stop living in fear" to correct that last horrible bad sentance )

and yeah i'm an un-educated retard with just enough IQ to single key the damn keyboard and have firefox fuck up my posts

[Daldolma]

I like you far better than most of the people arguing your side.

[runlvlzero]

Thanks man.

Also I don't think things are hopeless, I'm speaking purely abstractly and figuratively. I don't even own a gun. My family owns several, but they never come out of their thing, I would be better off running into the woods with a canteen and my hunting knife then trying to face down a squad of crazed goons P

But I think the idea for the amendment saying we should be allowed to keep guns is that force is addative. And it works in the same way as a nuclear deterrent.

You are absolutely right that we need to educate people and get them more politically aware, thats a better weapon then any gun we have right now. But thats now P and people are looking a bit far into the future with the original arguement.

[Sodapop]

Sure a lot of talk not a lot of guns.

[ShadowWulf]

Technique #4 - 'INFORMATION COLLECTION'

Information collection is also a very effective method to determine the psychological level of the forum members, and to gather intelligence that can be used against them. In this technique in a light and positive environment a 'show you mine so me yours' posting is initiated. From the number of replies and the answers that are provided much statistical information can be gathered. An example is to post your 'favourite weapon' and then encourage other members of the forum to showcase what they have. In this matter it can be determined by reverse proration what percentage of the forum community owns a firearm, and or a illegal weapon. This same method can be used by posing as one of the form members and posting your favourite 'technique of operation.' From the replies various methods that the group utilizes can be studied and effective methods developed to stop them from their activities.



http://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm

.....So, yea.....

:confused:

[Sodapop]

Shadowulf, if you show me yours, ill def show you mine!

[Goofier]

Sure a lot of talk not a lot of guns.

Spoke.

[ShadowWulf]

Shadowulf, if you show me yours, ill def show you mine!

http://i.imgur.com/191zKl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/jr6RUl.jpg
Smart ass.

[Sodapop]

nice dick tattoo on your left wrist, your boyfriend give you that in prison?

[Sodapop]

ps you always keep your finger off the trigger, smart ass.

and who the fuck drinks samuel adams?

[ShadowWulf]

ps you always keep your finger off the trigger, smart ass.

and who the fuck drinks samuel adams?

Do you have any idea how this particular gun functions?

And I drink Sam Adams. And Stone. And Rogue.

Oh yea...






Technique #5 - 'ANGER TROLLING'

Statistically, there is always a percentage of the forum posters who are more inclined to violence. In order to determine who these individuals are, it is a requirement to present a image to the forum to deliberately incite a strong psychological reaction. From this the most violent in the group can be effectively singled out for reverse IP location and possibly local enforcement tracking. To accomplish this only requires posting a link to a video depicting a local police officer massively abusing his power against a very innocent individual. Statistically of the million or so police officers in America there is always one or two being caught abusing there powers and the taping of the activity can be then used for intelligence gathering purposes - without the requirement to 'stage' a fake abuse video. This method is extremely effective, and the more so the more abusive the video can be made to look. Sometimes it is useful to 'lead' the forum by replying to your own posting with your own statement of violent intent, and that you 'do not care what the authorities think!!' inflammation. By doing this and showing no fear it may be more effective in getting the more silent and self-disciplined violent intent members of the forum to slip and post their real intentions. This can be used later in a court of law during prosecution.

[ShadowWulf]

nice dick tattoo on your left wrist, your boyfriend give you that in prison?

Close, got drunk with a buddy who learned to tatt in prison, and he did a shit sword tatt on my arm. Lesson learned.

[Sodapop]

Close, got drunk with a buddy who learned to tatt in prison, and he did a shit dick tatt on my arm. Lesson learned.

#5 anger trolling.

[ShadowWulf]

#5 anger trolling.

So what are you drinking?

And post some guns.

[Sodapop]

back to #4

http://i.imgur.com/EAeAM.jpg

[ShadowWulf]

back to #4


Thumbs up; though as already stated I only collect or own black powder weapons myself I still dig modern weapons as well. Im looking into a sharps with a brass scope (classic 1800's milled glass if possible) as my next purchase but they are a pretty penny fully optioned.

[Sodapop]

See now we are on the same page. That's rad, and yes I realized that weapon is a single action, but you bust my balls I'm gonna bust yours. Only black powder weapon I've ever shot was a 50 cal obv. single shot, modern hunting rifle, it hurt, bad. Antique weapons are awesome, ones you never shoot. My 22 and my grandfathers service pistol are the ones I just keep, shiny and in cases. He was LAPD btw.

[ShadowWulf]

LA here, uncle was LA sheriff not PD but he taught me everything I knew about black powder as he collected them as well. The revolver is a .44 confederate calvary revolver, the other I posted is a .50 (fucker kicks hard, its basically a sawed off .50 rifle with a slick grip that makes it swing upwards towards te shooter after firing in hot conditions, you load it with the same powder charge as a rifle. 50 to 100 grains -FF- black). I also have a .50 plains rifle but cant get good shots ATM as im drunk, the wife is asleep and im using a phone.


http://i.imgur.com/WfYtBl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Scu8il.jpg


People need to stop debating law in this thread and just post guns, modern or old.

[ShadowWulf]

I try and use real kit material, i have a shit ton now all brass. Those 2 pics above are about 5 years old or so (San Bernardino range). Experimented with honeycomb, wax, cloth, wasp nest (FUCK that sucked to collect!!), felt and zero (as in NO) wadding. Thats what goes between the powder ansd ball as you load the guns.

That fucking .50 pistol cant hit SHIT consistently, ever. Heh, but that's the nature of these old guns and why is hoot em. The .44 is far better for actually hitting something that ISNT a line of men like ducks in a civil war row.

[Bodeanicus]

Like you said. the .50 pistol is basically a sawed off shotgun. It's amazing they ever hit anything beyond 10 yards with those things. I'm pretty sure the .44 has a rifled barrel, hence the improved accuracy.

[LordFresh]

back to #4

http://i.imgur.com/EAeAM.jpg

honestly clean your gun and your desk brew. Sure that gun still fires with all the jizzum all over it? hehe

[Alawen]

Wow. So none of you can see that all claims of responsible gun ownership left the thread with the picture of the handgun leaning on the whiskey bottle?

[KentalCowtipper]

Wow soda.. hes kinda right man. You need to clean your gun. With an auto the dirt and grime can without a doubt jam your gun - either the firing pin or spring mechanism for the clip can easily lock if enough crap is present. No point in owning a gun if its not going to fire whenever you need it to.

[Bodeanicus]

Also, clean the pube hair off your keyboard before photographing it, please.

[Sodapop]

Worst keyboard ever, its completely covered in stains, hairs, lice. as far as the gun being cleaned, I'm afraid to even fire that gun and never have. Do research on a lorcin .380, they are worth about $50 at a pawnshop tops.

[ShadowWulf]

Wow. So none of you can see that all claims of responsible gun ownership left the thread with the picture of the handgun leaning on the whiskey bottle?

http://i.imgur.com/cGHmD.jpg

Less talk more guns.

[Goofier]

Wow soda.. hes kinda right man. You need to clean your gun. With an auto the dirt and grime can without a doubt jam your gun - either the firing pin or spring mechanism for the clip can easily lock if enough crap is present. No point in owning a gun if its not going to fire whenever you need it to.

Magazine.

Sorry, someone had to do it.

[FoxxHound]

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/528981_409790515723020_1466074176_n.jpg

[Happyfeet]

Awesome, named after a company whose employees murdered Afghan and Iraqi civilians for fun. I'd be proud to own that pistol, and hold it in my left had while I beat off to pictures of mutilated raghead women. It's awesome, bros!

Who are you in game? So I can avoid you like everyone should. You're a fucking idiot. It doesn't matter what the gun is named after, let me clue you in about what is important though:

Specifications and features:
SIG Sauer P226 Blackwater Tactical full-size semi-automatic handgun
9mm caliber
4.4" barrel
20 round capacity (4 magazines included)
Trigger safety
Single/double-action
Short Reset Trigger
10 lbs. trigger pull double-action
4.4 lbs. trigger pull single-action
Black, hard-anodized lightweight alloy Beavertail frame
Stainless steel slide with black Nitron finish
Custom Blackwater Magwell grips
TruGlo trititum fiber optic front sight
SIGLite rear night sight
Blackwater logo on the top of slide
Integral Picatinny rail
Front cocking serrations
7.7" overall length
5.5" tall
1.5" wide
6.3" sight radius
34 oz. unloaded

The Sig Sauer P226 is the pistol that set the standard by which all other combat handguns are measured. Designed as Sig's entrant in the military trials to replace the 1911, today the P226 is in use by the U.S. Navy Seals, Federal agents, and numerous law enforcement agencies including the Texas Rangers, Ohio State Highway Patrol and the Michigan State Police to name a few. The exceptional ergonomics and balance make this full size pistol easy to handle. Available in either 9mm, .357 Sig or .40 S&W, its longer barrel yields better ballistic performance and accuracy.

[Sodapop]

I wish I never sold my 226 I was late on child support. I had the navy edition. Most accurate semi auto pistol I ever had. Great gun.

[Sodapop]

One complaint was no safety, not a good gun for new shooters.

[Happyfeet]

Yea man I saw your navy 226 in your photo earlier, nice collection for sure. The no safety thing is kinda strange, not too many guns are without them. I'd love to snag a surefire picatinny light, but those damn things are like $300-400, any suggestions?

I'm too lazy to drag all my guns out, that's just my nightstand gun and it was close enough to take a picture of heh.

[Hailto]

http://i.imgur.com/vjnRn.jpg

Mosin Nagant, pretty good probability that it saw combat/killed Nazis as the Russians had a weapon shortage for the majority of WW2. Kindof a shitty picture, took it with my phone, couldn't get the full rifle in frame as its about 4 feet long.

[Hailto]

Jesus Christ, no idea why its so big by default, can't edit posts on this forum for some retarded reason as well so heres a better pic:

http://i.imgur.com/vjnRnl.jpg

[Mith0r]

Buy 'Merican
http://www.project1999.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3193&stc=1&d=1343120584

back-up
http://www.project1999.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3194&stc=1&d=1343120728

[BABSIE]

Elfquest 2012: The End Times. Ain't no illuminati taking my freedom boom stick.

[Bodeanicus]

Who are you in game? So I can avoid you like everyone should. You're a fucking idiot. It doesn't matter what the gun is named after, let me clue you in about what is important though:

Specifications and features:
SIG Sauer P226 Blackwater Tactical full-size semi-automatic handgun
9mm caliber
4.4" barrel
20 round capacity (4 magazines included)
Trigger safety
Single/double-action
Short Reset Trigger
10 lbs. trigger pull double-action
4.4 lbs. trigger pull single-action
Black, hard-anodized lightweight alloy Beavertail frame
Stainless steel slide with black Nitron finish
Custom Blackwater Magwell grips
TruGlo trititum fiber optic front sight
SIGLite rear night sight
Blackwater logo on the top of slide
Integral Picatinny rail
Front cocking serrations
7.7" overall length
5.5" tall
1.5" wide
6.3" sight radius
34 oz. unloaded

The Sig Sauer P226 is the pistol that set the standard by which all other combat handguns are measured. Designed as Sig's entrant in the military trials to replace the 1911, today the P226 is in use by the U.S. Navy Seals, Federal agents, and numerous law enforcement agencies including the Texas Rangers, Ohio State Highway Patrol and the Michigan State Police to name a few. The exceptional ergonomics and balance make this full size pistol easy to handle. Available in either 9mm, .357 Sig or .40 S&W, its longer barrel yields better ballistic performance and accuracy.

Very, very important. Those specs are what keeps me feeling like a total pussy when I'm out in the big, bad dangerous world. Like Autotune said, some insane sodomite might dong my dookey hole, must be prepared to "Stand My Ground!" And it's used by Blackwater! Makes me feel like a total badass! Read the description I copied and pasted from Sig's website!

[LordFresh]

Very, very important. Those specs are what keeps me feeling like a total pussy when I'm out in the big, bad dangerous world. Like Autotune said, some insane sodomite might dong my dookey hole, must be prepared to "Stand My Ground!" And it's used by Blackwater! Makes me feel like a total badass! Read the description I copied and pasted from Sig's website!

alright dude we get it. You dont need a gun to defend yourself or your wife. Nobody is looking to use the gun they conceal carry. They carry (myself included) the gun incase they are caught in a shit storm like the movie theater issue. They dont want to leave it up to chance that they can "get there loved ones to safety". Front page of yahoo today.
http://gma.yahoo.com/women-survived-theater-shooting-grieve-hero-boyfriends-215438672--abc-news-topstories.html

Do you think for a moment he thought it would happen to him? Do you think for a moment he didnt wish he had a weapon to fight back? You have to use reasoning... having a gun on your isnt all that bad of an idea. I carry a beretta 9mm on me. It is small enough to just throw it in my pocket when i leave the house. It feels like i have a wallet in my pocket. Most of the time I forget its there. I really hope i never ever have to use it. I wont leave it up to chance - I carry brew.

[Bodeanicus]

But the thing is, some people are looking to use it. Just like the guy who shot up that theater, the guy who shot up Virginia Tech, the guy who literally blew Gifford's brains out, the DC snipers, and the list goes on.

I have no problem with anyone owning a hunting rifle and/or shotgun. What I have a problem with is practically any asshole with a narcissistic hero complex being able to get a concealed carry permit. I have a problem with there being no background checks into mental health, no training course requirement, no unified database. What laws we do have are barely enforced, thanks to the NRA lobby. It's shameful.

[Goofier]

Y'know, the biggest problem with this thread is that anyone even responded to those posting arguments.

The arguments have been made, nobody is adding anything new here, just wasting time.

Shut up and vote.

[Hasbinlulz]

Shut up and vote.
Even *I* cannot detect if this is irony or not.

If not: Shut the front door, dimwit.

If so: You're fucking brilliant on a scale that only a few people on this board could understand.

[Goofier]

Even *I* cannot detect if this is irony or not.



I'll take Door 3.

[Autotune]

Even *I* cannot detect if this is irony or not.

If not: Shut the front door, dimwit.

If so: You're fucking brilliant on a scale that only a few people on this board could understand.

you mean sarcasm? It's definitely ironing.

[Harmonium]

But the thing is, some people are looking to use it. Just like the guy who shot up that theater, the guy who shot up Virginia Tech, the guy who literally blew Gifford's brains out, the DC snipers, and the list goes on.

I have no problem with anyone owning a hunting rifle and/or shotgun. What I have a problem with is practically any asshole with a narcissistic hero complex being able to get a concealed carry permit. I have a problem with there being no background checks into mental health, no training course requirement, no unified database. What laws we do have are barely enforced, thanks to the NRA lobby. It's shameful.

http://i.imgur.com/nrNEF.jpg

[Goofier]

Dear BATFE...
We drove an hour, filled out the paperwork, spent $2k, and came home with a hat and keychain.
So it's short, big deal.
Tax stamp, plzkthxbye.
Oh, and hurry it up.