Daliant admits to RMT, will GMs even ban someone who openly admits it?

[lethdar]

Since the thread about me was so rudely locked before I was even made aware of it...

Newguy, if you're going to call someone out and post personal information you could at least have the balls to not do it anonymously. Did you create that troll account specifically to flame me? Judging from your join date and post history it sure seems so. It's amazing how butthurt you got about that ragefire that you are still crying about it almost 4 months later.

Lets see... going through the list of clerics that were there that night; Xeli & Jaed (both of whom lost their pearl I might add) had a good laugh about it and I'm actually quite close friends with both of them now. Nirron shrugged it off right away cuz thats just the kind of super cool guy he is, and Kolevii was in on it... which leaves Relapsee. So if I had to guess I would say Newguy = Relapsee, although Relapsee never struck me as the type of pussy who would hide behind an anonymous account when talking shit.


**A Magic Die of Care was rolled by Daliant.
**0-100 fucks could have been given, but this time 0 fucks were given.
Honestly, I doubt anyone other than you and maybe Alarti give 2 shits about whether or not I bought a shield of rainbow hues using rl cash. Clearly Rogean & Co. don't.

Szeth, I'm disappointed man, I thought you were cooler than that. I figured 150 bucks would include an unspoken non-disclosure agreement but I guess not. It seems only fair that I extend you the same courtesy.
tadwel@gmail.com = Trent Dwyer aka "Szeth" known RMTer of rainbow shields and fingerbone hoops.

It's funny how you target me because I'm in TMO but don't mention any of your IB buddies who RMT'd. I wonder how much people like Kinsawt, Cyrano, Olympia, Szeth etc... cashed out at when everything was said and done. I guarantee it was way more than $150.


I'm curious how you came across this information??? This was so long ago even I had forgotten about it. :p


Not sure who you are in game but thanks for the kind words!

Alarti, sorry for tarnishing TMO's perfect image and reputation.

To any other haters, eat a dick.

Thread is in RnF right now.

[SamwiseRed]

Admit to boxing, ban
Admit to RMT, _____?

[lethdar]

He also points out szeth as the seller, a suspected RMTer on red99 as well. WHAT ARE THE ODDS?

[Danyelle]

Thread is in RnF right now.

Let's keep it there.

[SamwiseRed]

tbh I am pretty sure the staff know about the RMT and just play stupid. Not sure if they are getting a kick from it or what but its clear they dont care. Uthgaard has already proven this in multiple threads.

[Sithel1988]

SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GET DRUNK WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT

[SamwiseRed]

SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GET DRUNK WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT

so did you already move out of moms house?

[Sithel1988]

yes sir i moved the fuck out of my alcoholic moms house. and now i have a job as a level 1 tech in an IT company wooooooooooooooot. so much drinking to be had and stuff

[SamwiseRed]

lol sounds like you are an alcoholic as well. just dont drink and drive and mix in pills.

[lethdar]

Let's keep it there.

Would you rather the evidence of RMT on the server not be public? Are you concerned about transactions of your own?

[Sithel1988]

its Saturday. i haven't even had a beer all week.

[SamwiseRed]

how much would a set of banded armor cost me in rl moneys?

[lethdar]

Concerned that nothing will be done about this other than thread deletion :(

[formallydickman]

Ban that shiiiiit

[Danyelle]

Would you rather the evidence of RMT on the server not be public? Are you concerned about transactions of your own?

Transactions of my own? Bro, the only time I have ever spent real life currency on Everquest, besides Sony's account costs/client purchases, was when I spent $5 on LoN booster packs from Sony to trade for a Pyrilen illusion in the LoN marketplace on Live.

No, I'm concerned with keeping the rants and flames content in it's designated board. Bash Daliant about his dumbass decision of spending hard earned cash on a freaking Everquest item on an emulator all you want, in fact go ahead and add me to the bash list for giving $5 of my own hard earned cash to Sony in exchange for a statless clicky that made me look like a fiery-winged devil girl, but keep it where it should be. RnF.

[formallydickman]

Transactions of my own? Bro, the only time I have ever spent real life currency on Everquest, besides Sony's account costs/client purchases, was when I spent $5 on LoN booster packs from Sony to trade for a Pyrilen illusion in the LoN marketplace on Live.

No, I'm concerned with keeping the rants and flames content in it's designated board. Bash Daliant about his dumbass decision of spending hard earned cash on a freaking Everquest item on an emulator all you want, in fact go ahead and add me to the bash list for giving $5 of my own hard earned cash to Sony in exchange for a statless clicky that made me look like a fiery-winged devil girl, but keep it where it should be. RnF.

I'm sorry, but RnF isn't where we discuss a self-admitted RMT-er. That's where you might accuse someone without proof, etc... but he made a post admitting it and I'd like to see some action against that shit.

[Wudan]

and its heading straight for hell.... popsockers and RMTers will soon be the only ones who stay. GMs need to start thinking about creating GM system that takes care of stuff....like getting few trusted people to do the GM ingame for a start? They seem to not give a flying fuck about whats going on...the only times when I hear abotu them is when they bann for boxing....like its the worst thing here....meh :(

[Kole1]

for the record i wasn't really in on it.

[formallydickman]

popsockers

http://tropicsofmeta.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/saddam_captured.jpg (http://tropicsofmeta.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/saddam_captured.jpg)

[Zereh]

mmhmm

[Szeth]

He also points out szeth as the seller, a suspected RMTer on red99 as well. WHAT ARE THE ODDS?

on red 99? my lvl 40 druid is fucking Chillin

edit: I'm not defending myself from blue. But the account aint banned so I guess it's all good? Might as well just open an RMT forum on this web site so we can get the adsense from that too?

[Zereh]

Jackasses. All of y'all.

[HarrisonStillPosting]

TMO confirmed cheating, RMT, scum.

Nothing new here people. Nothing will be done about it just like the 350+ cheaters caught a long time ago, Hololost exploiting raid mobs on red, Nihilum exploiting raid mobs on red, etc. etc.

I can guarantee if I was GM this place would be infinitely cleaner, but that won't happen. Apparently, this server is TRYING to be dirty. There's no other explanation.

[Destan]

No, I'm concerned with keeping the rants and flames content in it's designated board. Bash Daliant about his dumbass decision of spending hard earned cash on a freaking Everquest item on an emulator all you want, in fact go ahead and add me to the bash list for giving $5 of my own in exchange for a stat clicky


Danyelle, I never knew...


....That deleting a few words could make something so harmless look so incriminating!

[Callnoutthenewbs]

Originally Posted by Daliant17447
Since the thread about me was so rudely locked before I was even made aware of it...

Newguy, if you're going to call someone out and post personal information you could at least have the balls to not do it anonymously. Did you create that troll account specifically to flame me? Judging from your join date and post history it sure seems so. It's amazing how butthurt you got about that ragefire that you are still crying about it almost 4 months later.

Lets see... going through the list of clerics that were there that night; Xeli & Jaed (both of whom lost their pearl I might add) had a good laugh about it and I'm actually quite close friends with both of them now. Nirron shrugged it off right away cuz thats just the kind of super cool guy he is, and Kolevii was in on it... which leaves Relapsee. So if I had to guess I would say Newguy = Relapsee, although Relapsee never struck me as the type of pussy who would hide behind an anonymous account when talking shit.


**A Magic Die of Care was rolled by Daliant.
**0-100 fucks could have been given, but this time 0 fucks were given.
Honestly, I doubt anyone other than you and maybe Alarti give 2 shits about whether or not I bought a shield of rainbow hues using rl cash. Clearly Rogean & Co. don't.

Szeth, I'm disappointed man, I thought you were cooler than that. I figured 150 bucks would include an unspoken non-disclosure agreement but I guess not. It seems only fair that I extend you the same courtesy.
tadwel@gmail.com = Trent Dwyer aka "Szeth" known RMTer of rainbow shields and fingerbone hoops.

It's funny how you target me because I'm in TMO but don't mention any of your IB buddies who RMT'd. I wonder how much people like Kinsawt, Cyrano, Olympia, Szeth etc... cashed out at when everything was said and done. I guarantee it was way more than $150.


I'm curious how you came across this information??? This was so long ago even I had forgotten about it.


Not sure who you are in game but thanks for the kind words!

Alarti, sorry for tarnishing TMO's perfect image and reputation.

To any other haters, eat a dick.

So where is alarti now?? she asked for proof i dont think it gets any clearer then the guy admitting it

[Szeth]

His next spin will be "well if the server/GM's dont care why should we!"

[Callnoutthenewbs]

on red 99? my lvl 40 druid is fucking Chillin

edit: I'm not defending myself from blue. But the account aint banned so I guess it's all good? Might as well just open an RMT forum on this web site so we can get the adsense from that too?

Guys mocking the gms and there rules GODDANM are we gonna put up with this?

[SamwiseRed]

I thought RMT was legal tbh, seeing as how the GMs delete any post about it but leave the players untouched. wtb banded armor. 1 dollar per ac?

[Alarti0001]

His next spin will be "well if the server/GM's dont care why should we!"

You are a moron. I personally don't have a problem with RMTing other than the fact that it is against server policy and could shut this server down.
It's shitty that within 2 days of Daliant's app to TMO he rmt'd; it made it easier for us to not notice what items he was taking from IB.

I don't speak for TMO leadership, but Daliant will be booted along with his alts, just like any rule breaker that has been proven guilty. Daliant was a pretty cool guy, its sad he tried to carry IB's cheat culture into TMO.

Hopefully, the GM's are paying attention to this and ban his accounts immediately.
Also, I hope they investigate all the IB's accounts mentioned for sale for proof RMTing so they can track down which seller has them and can ban him too.

[Alarti0001]

[QUOTE=Callnoutthenewbs;639025
So where is alarti now?? she asked for proof i dont think it gets any clearer then the guy admitting it[/QUOTE]

As to where I was, Out drinking on Cinco de Mayo foolio. Then passed out.

Why were you still here?

[buffett77]

lol Alarti0001 you have been making yourself look so foolish :)

[somnia]

You are a moron. I personally don't have a problem with RMTing other than the fact that it is against server policy and could shut this server down.
It's shitty that within 2 days of Daliant's app to TMO he rmt'd; it made it easier for us to not notice what items he was taking from IB.

I don't speak for TMO leadership, but Daliant will be booted along with his alts, just like any rule breaker that has been proven guilty. Daliant was a pretty cool guy, its sad he tried to carry IB's cheat culture into TMO.

Hopefully, the GM's are paying attention to this and ban his accounts immediately.
Also, I hope they investigate all the IB's accounts mentioned for sale for proof RMTing so they can track down which seller has them and can ban him too.

And here's the formal statement by Alarti trying to minimize the impact of the occurrence. You're such a lawyer weasel - anybody can see it in your words. I'm sure whatever you do for a living involves copious amounts of BSing as well. People like you disgust me.

[Scavrefamn]

I would be very disappointed if known RMTers are not banned.

[buffett77]

"There is never just one roach in the kitchen"

Alarti0001 should be booted from tmo just for how embarrassing he is has been. And if you really think about hes the one who essentially encouraged the outing of Daliant or whatever his name is.

[Alarti0001]

And here's the formal statement by Alarti trying to minimize the impact of the occurrence. You're such a lawyer weasel - anybody can see it in your words. I'm sure whatever you do for a living involves copious amounts of BSing as well. People like you disgust me.

What impact people cheat or RMT all the time....we have no way of knowing 100% if accusations are true without confessions, or gm investigations.

I will always support a TMO member until there is real evidence against them.

Are you too stupid to understand reasonable doubt?

oh and ditto to your disgust. those who cast blame without proof are among the worst kind of people existing in this world.

[Tiggles]

Posting in this thread.

[Splorf22]

There are only two reasons to liquidate all your items on an EQ server:

1] Because you want to start over on another character and avoid your rep
2] Because you want to RMT

It was 100% fucking obvious that ALL the IB guys who were liquidating their characters were going to RMT all that plat. I remember when Szeth sold his account on the forums, and people asked why the hell he was going to do it, and he replied with some BS like "I like to have big numbers in my PP account". I know because I've been buying high end items for less and less PP for the last month or so - these guys only want PP. If you ask them about trades they are totally uninterested, because they can only RMT pp.

And yes, RMT has a moderately negative effect on the game, because you get people who just monopolize camps, like Jeremy and Tootles/Tizzle at the fungi king. Now Jeremy is in the clear as we know he just dumped 800k on a fungi staff. But what about Tizzle? He also would have earned 800k and Tootles doesn't have a Donal's BP even, and there is one for sale for 325k. All you have to do is go back and look at all the IB people who sold accounts; if you find someone who doesn't have another toon playing on that IP . . . .

What irritates me about this is that it doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure out the shit that is going on here. I think the problem is that its just work and the server staff doesn't care enough to do anything about it.

[somnia]

What impact people cheat or RMT all the time....we have no way of knowing 100% if accusations are true without confessions, or gm investigations.

I will always support a TMO member until there is real evidence against them.

Are you too stupid to understand reasonable doubt?

oh and ditto to your disgust. those who cast blame without proof are among the worst kind of people existing in this world.

Whatever tune suites your task of getting what you want - that's how people like you think. 100% without confessions or GM investigations? Given most of you are rotten weasels it's unlikely anybody will willingly confess their sins. Moving on, what evidence would a GM need in order to incriminate somebody (according to you?). My guess is you'll conjure some impossible standard in conjunction with non-sequitur logic that your TMO buddies will roll with because you're one big gangbanging brady bunch of bullies and degenerates.

[Alarti0001]

Whatever tune suites your task of getting what you want - that's how people like you think. 100% without confessions or GM investigations? Given most of you are rotten weasels it's unlikely anybody will willingly confess their sins. Moving on, what evidence would a GM need in order to incriminate somebody (according to you?). My guess is you'll conjure some impossible standard in conjunction with non-sequitur logic that your TMO buddies will roll with because you're one big gangbanging brady bunch of bullies and degenerates.

Why argue logical fallacies and then commit one? Poisoning the well.

GM's should actively be checking the movement of accounts. They can log which accounts and ip's are moving the accounts, and who is receiving them. They can access trade logs to see what was exchanged. With information that newguy posted they could verify a the item exchanged on that date. That is just basics, i'm sure rogean have alot of built in tools they added for this. But without their access there is no way to know how extensive they are

[Jarnauga]

Ban account sales altogether.

Problem solved.

[buffett77]

Ban account sales altogether.

Problem solved.

you must be retarded...

[Tiggles]

The faster Kinsawt and Crew sells off there guild bank and split the better.

Keep them off the server and everything will be OK.

The majority of the server doesn't read the forums so the IB troll accounts don't really have an effect.

[pasi]

There are only two reasons to liquidate all your items on an EQ server:

1] Because you want to start over on another character and avoid your rep
2] Because you want to RMT

It was 100% fucking obvious that ALL the IB guys who were liquidating their characters were going to RMT all that plat. I remember when Szeth sold his account on the forums, and people asked why the hell he was going to do it, and he replied with some BS like "I like to have big numbers in my PP account". I know because I've been buying high end items for less and less PP for the last month or so - these guys only want PP. If you ask them about trades they are totally uninterested, because they can only RMT pp.

And yes, RMT has a moderately negative effect on the game, because you get people who just monopolize camps, like Jeremy and Tootles/Tizzle at the fungi king. Now Jeremy is in the clear as we know he just dumped 800k on a fungi staff. But what about Tizzle? He also would have earned 800k and Tootles doesn't have a Donal's BP even, and there is one for sale for 325k. All you have to do is go back and look at all the IB people who sold accounts; if you find someone who doesn't have another toon playing on that IP . . . .

What irritates me about this is that it doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure out the shit that is going on here. I think the problem is that its just work and the server staff doesn't care enough to do anything about it.

[somnia]

Why argue logical fallacies and then commit one? Poisoning the well.

GM's should actively be checking the movement of accounts. They can log which accounts and ip's are moving the accounts, and who is receiving them. They can access trade logs to see what was exchanged. With information that newguy posted they could verify a the item exchanged on that date. That is just basics, i'm sure rogean have alot of built in tools they added for this. But without their access there is no way to know how extensive they are

You offer no advice that hasn't been said before. How can you tell between a legitimate platinum transfer between friends or somebody giving their account to their guild? Even if they monitored the characters fitting the description posted on the RMT sites then how do you know somebody isn't just maliciously posting that character as if it were for sale? The only plausible way I can see this working is if you monitor the IP on all possible characters matching the descriptions and check to see if a never-before-seen IP appears for that character without any trade logs of platinum or items being exchanged from the new IP. This method would require either writing a web crawler for their forums or having a person input the info by hand.

This might work for RMT characters but platinum and items are a different story. You could monitor trade logs of the flow of platinum and high-end items but how can you, and your 100% philosophy, guarantee the platinum or items weren't given out because these two people "happen" to be friends IRL. Further, it's likely RMTers spread their items and platinum across dozens of characters and log in with a different proxy for each character as to limit losses in case of discovery. Further, if these people are truly sophisticated then they have a way to "clean" their platinum and items by going through several intermediates along different trade paths so as to provide the illusion that items are traded legitimately.

I hate to say this but there's really no surefire way to reliably discover and ban RMTers. This is a situation where everybody knows where the MOB hangs out but can't charge them with anything because all their crimes happen under the radar (ahem and well cops aren't always noble).

Alarti you sound like a lawyer IRL - want to strike up a case against the RMT site?

[Verenity]

Posting before the thread gets locked.

[Splorf22]

You offer no advice that hasn't been said before. How can you tell between a legitimate platinum transfer between friends or somebody giving their account to their guild? Even if they monitored the characters fitting the description posted on the RMT sites then how do you know somebody isn't just maliciously posting that character as if it were for sale? The only plausible way I can see this working is if you monitor the IP on all possible characters matching the descriptions and check to see if a never-before-seen IP appears for that character without any trade logs of platinum or items being exchanged from the new IP. This method would require either writing a web crawler for their forums or having a person input the info by hand.

This might work for RMT characters but platinum and items are a different story. You could monitor trade logs of the flow of platinum and high-end items but how can you, and your 100% philosophy, guarantee the platinum or items weren't given out because these two people "happen" to be friends IRL. Further, it's likely RMTers spread their items and platinum across dozens of characters and log in with a different proxy for each character as to limit losses in case of discovery. Further, if these people are truly sophisticated then they have a way to "clean" their platinum and items by going through several intermediates along different trade paths so as to provide the illusion that items are traded legitimately.

I hate to say this but there's really no surefire way to reliably discover and ban RMTers. This is a situation where everybody knows where the MOB hangs out but can't charge them with anything because all their crimes happen under the radar (ahem and well cops aren't always noble).

Alarti you sound like a lawyer IRL - want to strike up a case against the RMT site?

In general I agree with you. I actually thought about how I would write scripts to do this and it isn't easy. For example I loaned my friend's alt monk a RBG once. To the server that would look exactly like RMT. It's an interesting mathematical problem.

But IB's case is different. When you have a bunch of people who are openly selling items and quitting the server . . . I mean what the hell do you think they are doing with the pp? Letting it sit in the bank?

[somnia]

In general I agree with you. I actually thought about how I would write scripts to do this and it isn't easy. For example I loaned my friend's alt monk a RBG once. To the server that would look exactly like RMT. It's an interesting mathematical problem.

But IB's case is different. When you have a bunch of people who are openly selling items and quitting the server . . . I mean what the hell do you think they are doing with the pp? Letting it sit in the bank?

Indeed - I think it's so incredibly obvious that IB members selling their account for plat should be banned. Further, any IB character that randomly logs in from a never-before-seen IP should be banned. I'm 100% certain we'll get a couple of false positives in this procedure but IMO it's an acceptable loss for the health of the server.

To further enhance these rulings, I think all characters on auction in forums should be required to list a name.

[Alarti0001]

You offer no advice that hasn't been said before. How can you tell between a legitimate platinum transfer between friends or somebody giving their account to their guild? Even if they monitored the characters fitting the description posted on the RMT sites then how do you know somebody isn't just maliciously posting that character as if it were for sale? The only plausible way I can see this working is if you monitor the IP on all possible characters matching the descriptions and check to see if a never-before-seen IP appears for that character without any trade logs of platinum or items being exchanged from the new IP. This method would require either writing a web crawler for their forums or having a person input the info by hand.

This might work for RMT characters but platinum and items are a different story. You could monitor trade logs of the flow of platinum and high-end items but how can you, and your 100% philosophy, guarantee the platinum or items weren't given out because these two people "happen" to be friends IRL. Further, it's likely RMTers spread their items and platinum across dozens of characters and log in with a different proxy for each character as to limit losses in case of discovery. Further, if these people are truly sophisticated then they have a way to "clean" their platinum and items by going through several intermediates along different trade paths so as to provide the illusion that items are traded legitimately.

I hate to say this but there's really no surefire way to reliably discover and ban RMTers. This is a situation where everybody knows where the MOB hangs out but can't charge them with anything because all their crimes happen under the radar (ahem and well cops aren't always noble).

Alarti you sound like a lawyer IRL - want to strike up a case against the RMT site?


It's not my job to solve the servers problems? It is also not my job to investigate RMT.

Your post fits in with my point altogether. There is no way to 100% know without confession and /or mistakes made by sellers/buyers.
TMO doesn't support RMTing or cheating. Once, we had enough evidence in the past and now we have booted those cheaters/RMT'ers.
So once again TMO lives up to what they say they will do.

You float to points when it conveniences you. First it was TMO harbors cheaters/RMT'ers, and then it was just we must harbor cheaters if we can't find them all? We don't harbor cheaters and have proven it.
Of course there is cheaters/RMT'ers in most if not all guilds. However, we don't have a magical flag that appears on their head when they cheat. We do monitor our apps who seem to have more money, accounts than they should, i.e. people who just started on the server. But there really isn't much more you can ask from us.

The truth is that a vast majority of this server including BDA, TMO, Div, etc. does not RMT, or cheat. For you to say most of TMO or most of any guild does, is ridiculous. I ask you where is your evidence?

Newguy obviously had some insider information from szeth? However, I will not take someone on their word without real evidence. That just makes sense right? Or are you the type who just believe any hyperbole you hear just because it gets a greater reaction?

You are either one of the most retarded people on this server, or a really bad troll.

Personally, I believe you are just a troll because it is hard for me to believe based on some of your past syntax that you are that unintelligent.

I fully expect you to quote this and say something disparaging linking me to a lawyer. But, I hope for a reasoned response from you for a change.

[Safon]

IB, scum even at the end

[Autotune]

OMG
RMT
LOL


Edit: <3 Daliant and my IB homies. <4serious>

[somnia]

It's not my job to solve the servers problems? It is also not my job to investigate RMT.

Your post fits in with my point altogether. There is no way to 100% know without confession and /or mistakes made by sellers/buyers.
TMO doesn't support RMTing or cheating. Once, we had enough evidence in the past and now we have booted those cheaters/RMT'ers.
So once again TMO lives up to what they say they will do.

You float to points when it conveniences you. First it was TMO harbors cheaters/RMT'ers, and then it was just we must harbor cheaters if we can't find them all? We don't harbor cheaters and have proven it.
Of course there is cheaters/RMT'ers in most if not all guilds. However, we don't have a magical flag that appears on their head when they cheat. We do monitor our apps who seem to have more money, accounts than they should, i.e. people who just started on the server. But there really isn't much more you can ask from us.

The truth is that a vast majority of this server including BDA, TMO, Div, etc. does not RMT, or cheat. For you to say most of TMO or most of any guild does, is ridiculous. I ask you where is your evidence?

Newguy obviously had some insider information from szeth? However, I will not take someone on their word without real evidence. That just makes sense right? Or are you the type who just believe any hyperbole you hear just because it gets a greater reaction?

You are either one of the most retarded people on this server, or a really bad troll.

Personally, I believe you are just a troll because it is hard for me to believe based on some of your past syntax that you are that unintelligent.

I fully expect you to quote this and say something disparaging linking me to a lawyer. But, I hope for a reasoned response from you for a change.

Oh I'm probably a troll under your classification system. Bored as hell in game with no motivation to level since there's only one real raid guild - these forums are grade-A hilarious though.

[buffett77]

The purpose of this thread should be to point out how stupid and naive Alarti0001 truly is.... I Dont care bout rmt but to think that NO tmo have ever rmt'ed is completely ignorant. Some members of all top guilds have RMT'ed....Who do you think sells plat...Members of top guilds lol

[Seaweedpimp]

The purpose of this thread should be to point out how stupid and naive Alarti0001 truly is.... I Dont care bout rmt but to think that NO tmo have ever rmt'ed is completely ignorant. Some members of all top guilds have RMT'ed....Who do you think sells plat...Members of top guilds lol

who are you again??


oh yeah...

[Alarti0001]

The purpose of this thread should be to point out how stupid and naive Alarti0001 truly is.... I Dont care bout rmt but to think that NO tmo have ever rmt'ed is completely ignorant. Some members of all top guilds have RMT'ed....Who do you think sells plat...Members of top guilds lol

speaking of stupid and naive, do a post search you will see posts by me calling our durison a former member of TMO for RMTing...

But plat isnt limited to top guilds Phara Dar doesn't drop loads of plat. However fungi tunics everyone has access too

....idiot

[Treats]

And yes, RMT has a moderately negative effect on the game, because you get people who just monopolize camps, like Jeremy and Tootles/Tizzle at the fungi king. Now Jeremy is in the clear as we know he just dumped 800k on a fungi staff. But what about Tizzle? He also would have earned 800k and Tootles doesn't have a Donal's BP even, and there is one for sale for 325k. All you have to do is go back and look at all the IB people who sold accounts; if you find someone who doesn't have another toon playing on that IP . . . .

Quit crying because you cannot get the Fungi camp in Seb, jesus christ. Since you obviously love throwing out baseless accusations at people you do not even know, I'll help you out a little bit.

We farmed King for about a week and a half. In this time we were lucky enough to see four or five tunics on a good day but most of the time only one to three. Tunics ARE NOT that common because King does not pop that often and there is always a chance he could have a robe (a few times we had bad runs where we got three to five Robes in a row). If you had actually spent some fucking time at the camp you would know this.

It takes three people at this camp, it can be done with two but it's very risky. You claim we each made 800k, thats 2.4 million fucking platinum. Even with each each tunic selling at 60k a piece, thats 40 tunics total. Up to now I would estimate each of us has made around 300-400k in the total time spent there. I've made a few big purchases -- Deepwater Legs, CoF, and currently looking to buy a Soul Leech MQ.

Fuck you, Loraen. Quit being a bitch and go farm Tunics if you want them.

[Flunklesnarkin]

is a bit funny that the guy in the OP admitted to RMT and even said rogean and co don't give a fuck.


but thats to be expected i suppose as a good amount of GM's who play on P99 are in TMO.

[Autotune]

Alarti0001 = EQplayer001 <== known RMT'r

[Danyelle]

who are you again??


oh yeah...

This is completely unrelated to the topic at hand, mostly because I find all this fighting to be idiotic and wish people could just get along (talk about naive...) but I HAVE to say something...

Are you aware in your sig you spelled Mystical as Mydtical? My OCD has been driving me to ask you about this for awhile now, whether it was on purpose or not, but I finally had to give in lol.


Also everyone, seriously, shut up and stop fighting.

[Splorf22]

Quit crying because you cannot get the Fungi camp in Seb, jesus christ. Since you obviously love throwing out baseless accusations at people you do not even know, I'll help you out a little bit.

We farmed King for about a week and a half. In this time we were lucky enough to see four or five tunics on a good day but most of the time only one to three. Tunics ARE NOT that common because King does not pop that often and there is always a chance he could have a robe (a few times we had bad runs where we got three to five Robes in a row). If you had actually spent some fucking time at the camp you would know this.

It takes three people at this camp, it can be done with two but it's very risky. You claim we each made 800k, thats 2.4 million fucking platinum. Even with each each tunic selling at 60k a piece, thats 40 tunics total. Up to now I would estimate each of us has made around 300-400k in the total time spent there. I've made a few big purchases -- Deepwater Legs, CoF, and currently looking to buy a Soul Leech MQ.

Fuck you, Loraen. Quit being a bitch and go farm Tunics if you want them.

You guys put in 12+ hour days for two weeks. That is not fun, that is straight up work. That requires motivation, and for what? And yes there is an insane amount of platinum involved. A tunic every 5 hours or so feels about right; you guys probably spent 150 hours at that camp during your time there. That's 30 tunics and the price started at 95k. 2.4 million platinum split three ways actually sounds pretty close. And from what I hear RMT is $2-3 per k, so that's $5000 or more.

So when I see people working 12 hour days and taking home the equivalent of $5000 in cash, I think RMT. It turns out Jeremy was working for an item - I think that makes him nuts, but that's not against the rules. Maybe you'll turn out to be nuts too. If you are not involved with RMT, then given how hard it is to prove I see little chance you will be falsely convicted, and you will have my apologies as well. But you have to admit this looks suspicious for you, although not nearly as bad as the IB crowd of course.

P.S. this isn't RNF. Although this does feel like an RNF thread.

[Zereh]

is a bit funny that the guy in the OP admitted to RMT and even said rogean and co don't give a fuck.


but thats to be expected i suppose as a good amount of GM's who play on P99 are in TMO.

Neither your nor Harrison's mouths seem to be connected to your brians.

Clue. (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=74014)

[Seaweedpimp]

This is completely unrelated to the topic at hand, mostly because I find all this fighting to be idiotic and wish people could just get along (talk about naive...) but I HAVE to say something...

Are you aware in your sig you spelled Mystical as Mydtical? My OCD has been driving me to ask you about this for awhile now, whether it was on purpose or not, but I finally had to give in lol.


Also everyone, seriously, shut up and stop fighting.


No but it sounds kinda derpy so might have to leave it.

[Sadad]

Daliant helped me kill Lucan in like May 2010. Thanks, Daliant.

[YendorLootmonkey]

It turns out Jeremy was working for an item - I think that makes him nuts, but that's not against the rules. Maybe you'll turn out to be nuts too.

You know Tizzles has like 6-7 characters, right? Just because you didn't see him invest in Tootles doesn't mean he isn't equipping his other characters. If you're not in a raid guild, farming fungis is probably a pretty good way to earn plat to purchase raid items that wouldn't otherwise be available to you.

[Hitchens]

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[Splorf22]

You know Tizzles has like 6-7 characters, right? Just because you didn't see him invest in Tootles doesn't mean he isn't equipping his other characters. If you're not in a raid guild, farming fungis is probably a pretty good way to earn plat to purchase raid items that wouldn't otherwise be available to you.

Yes Yendor, I know that the fungi king is a good cash camp. I personally have made about 120k from it over the past few months - it's an easy duo if you have skills, and I am now the owner of a slightly used BCG and puppet strings. Stuff I never got when I was in a raid guild actually. Obviously there are a lot of other people who do this.

But how many of them treat it like a job for 10 days in a row of 12+ hours per day? And why?

When you consider the volume of RMT that goes on around here, then either you think that's suspicious or you're hopelessly naive. Of course, suspicion isn't guilt either.

[Alarti0001]

is a bit funny that the guy in the OP admitted to RMT and even said rogean and co don't give a fuck.


but thats to be expected i suppose as a good amount of GM's who play on P99 are in TMO.

this made me laugh a little

[Alarti0001]

Alarti0001 = EQplayer001 <== known RMT'r

I agree compare Alarti0001 and eqplayer 0001 ip's

[Vraji]

When I first started playing on P1999 about a year ago, not knowing anything about TMO,IB,TR etc and been a fresh pimple faced level 1 it was general knowledge to even me that TMO was and is the biggest RMT guild on the server.

If your guild has a general consensus of RMTing then for the most part I'd expect it to be true.

So as much as I like and appreciate some of TMOs members, the leaders need to stop been in such god darn denial.

[Callnoutthenewbs]

I heard if you rmt you get too join tmo and raid and GMs wont do nothing about it? :)

[Verenity]

So many tin foil hats up in this thread it's ridiculous.

[Callnoutthenewbs]

on red 99? my lvl 40 druid is fucking Chillin

edit: I'm not defending myself from blue. But the account aint banned so I guess it's all good? Might as well just open an RMT forum on this web site so we can get the adsense from that too?

This guys says its alright to RMT on blue then play red and gms dont do jack shit to your accounts on blue or red.

guys still playing so i guess its alright to RMT since you wont get banned?

[Zithax]

Everyone on this server RMT's GET USED TO IT, INHERENT IN MMO'S BITCH

[YendorLootmonkey]

But how many of them treat it like a job for 10 days in a row of 12+ hours per day? And why?

Because the stuff they want costs more than 120K and they want it faster than over a period of a few months?

Same reason 40 people log in on Christmas Day to kill a dragon in a video game?

There are varying degrees of "hardcore" on this server. Some people are willing to invest more time into this than others. That doesn't automatically scream RMT like you think it does.

But if that is what's happening, then I hope Amelinda catches and bans every single last one of them.

[Danyelle]

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[somnia]

They should just make RMT legal that way raid guilds can sell their gear to non-raiders and everybody #wins. Dropping $1,000 for loot rights to all VP gear I want doesn't sound too bad.

[Amelinda]

is a bit funny that the guy in the OP admitted to RMT and even said rogean and co don't give a fuck.


but thats to be expected i suppose as a good amount of GM's who play on P99 are in TMO.

Hey Genius....NONE of the GM's play

Rogean - Head GM/ Head of CSR / Developre
Nilbog Project Manager/Developer/GM
Amelinda Server GM

Guides:
Sirken : Does not play
Ambrotos: Plays, not in TMO
Enroth: (new guide) Plays, not in TMO
Roids: (new guide on red) Plays, on red.... not in TMO

So where the FUCK is the good amount of GM's who are in TMO? because I'm failing to see TMO represented in this list.

Either provide me with your evidence that GM's are in TMO or please be sure to label your work as fiction as it's so bad that it's hard to recognize it as such~

[Amelinda]

They should just make RMT legal that way raid guilds can sell their gear to non-raiders and everybody #wins. Dropping $1,000 for loot rights to all VP gear I want doesn't sound too bad.

RMT will never be legal here. If you want to pay to play - go somewhere else.

[Daldaen]

They should just make RMT legal that way raid guilds can sell their gear to non-raiders and everybody #wins. Dropping $1,000 for loot rights to all VP gear I want doesn't sound too bad.

When they state openly that they allow RMT, the server can be shut down by SOE I *believe*. The entire reason this server is allowed is because its donation based, no one gains a profit off SOE/Verant's creation without using their server and shit.

Atleast thats what I recall.

[Amelinda]

Because the stuff they want costs more than 120K and they want it faster than over a period of a few months?

Same reason 40 people log in on Christmas Day to kill a dragon in a video game?

There are varying degrees of "hardcore" on this server. Some people are willing to invest more time into this than others. That doesn't automatically scream RMT like you think it does.

But if that is what's happening, then I hope Amelinda catches and bans every single last one of them.

I love this thread. I'm having more fun than I could at Christmas. The popcorn is delicious and the entertainment is pretty effing awesome.

Anyone else wanna admit to some good ole RMT?

[Seaweedpimp]

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[deneauth]

I confess I have never RMT'D on this or any MMO I have ever played, firstly because it's a game and I will not pay more for it than I have too and I enjoy customizing my own character. I apologise for playing on this server the way you are supposed to and also for not playing on the server over 10 hours a week. I am just not dedicated. *sob*

[Scavrefamn]

Amelinda ftw.

Amelinda Server GM

Does this mean you don't play?!

Your name is the only one that doesn't have a play/noplay description after.

[SamwiseRed]

people guiding on same server they play...? shit makes no sense but then again nothing here does.

[Grozmok]

You know what's really fucked up?

These forums.

I see more hate, angst and rude comments here than on YouTube and it is completely contradictory to how people treat each other on the actual server (some guilds notwithstanding, of course).

I just don't get it.

:confused:

[Light My Fire]

RMT exists and nothing is ever done about it. They don't condone it, but honestly, they are never going to stop it so I don't think they even bother.

[HarrisonStillPosting]

Lol I'm still giggling at people trying to say TMO isn't dirty like everyone knows they are

[Alarti0001]

Lol I'm still giggling at people trying to say TMO isn't dirty like everyone knows they are

One ex-IB member caught rmting.....explain to me why you weren't all over IB prior to feb 27?

[Quizy]

Yes Yendor, I know that the fungi king is a good cash camp. I personally have made about 120k from it over the past few months - it's an easy duo if you have skills, and I am now the owner of a slightly used BCG and puppet strings. Stuff I never got when I was in a raid guild actually. Obviously there are a lot of other people who do this.
.

This quote alone proves you know jack shit about the camp or have even camped it..

It needs to be trio'd.. especially now...... stop frontin newb

[Asher]

This quote alone proves you know jack shit about the camp or have even camped it..

It needs to be trio'd.. especially now...... stop frontin newb

It can be duoed just not easily. If slow lands quick duo is simple. If you get 5+ slow resists it gets interesting.

Asher

[HarrisonStillPosting]

I used to twobox it on Live in Kunark and later, Cleric/Enchanter.

It can be done if you're competent. It just involves a lot of work. In Luclin it was trivialized and I could do it drunk off my ass. I made a lot of money those days until FT3 boots were revealed to me as a better sale/camp.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Lol I'm still giggling at people trying to say TMO isn't dirty like everyone knows they are

I think most of the reasoned comments here are focusing on the idea that these problems are individual violations and can be exceptionally difficult to police.

A quick use of common sense, history, or statistics will clearly cause you to realize that every guild is going to have individuals that will break these rules. From Daliant & Durison in TMO, to Kitai and Botnet in VD, and a number of IB members, every major guild will experience it within its ranks at some point or another.

It seems reasonable to only hold a guild accountable when it refuses to take action against any outed or reasonably suspected member. As this thread and its attendant sub-threads have clearly shown, accusers, defenders, trolls, and opportunists are taking every possible chance to cloud the waters. This is only making it more difficult.

I submit that if many of the posters here wanted to improve the server by the elimination of RMT, they'd take their concerns and proof to both the GM's and all the officers of the guild in question first. Instead, we immediately see a strict display of opportunism to grind an axe. Public outing can be effective, but let's not hide behind the shield of P99 Patriotism when all you want to do is effectively call someone an E-Faggot.

I believe that it is completely disingenuous to think that any guild that wishes to continue in its existence will openly or subtly support rules violations as a matter or policy. Just as IB and VD members had a sell off, I'm sure you'd see a sell off from a number of TMO members if TMO disbanded. Point is, there is nothing that an organization can ultimately do to prevent this. It can be discouraged by a rationally acting self-preserving guild, but not prevented wholesale.

Do not mistake me, public outing is a tool that can work well. I personally have a very strong expectation that my guild's leadership will respond to this situation and remove anyone found to have seriously violated the server rules.

I suspect that the GM's have been reluctant to deal with rules violations because many people just want to use the staff as a cudgel for personal reasons and not out of any sense of altruism or correctness.

[Splorf22]

This quote alone proves you know jack shit about the camp or have even camped it..

It needs to be trio'd.. especially now...... stop frontin newb

Or maybe I know some things you don't. Did you consider that possibility before you decided to uncork the RNF?

[Angkar]

Hey Genius....NONE of the GM's play

Rogean - Head GM/ Head of CSR / Developre
Nilbog Project Manager/Developer/GM
Amelinda Server GM

Guides:
Sirken : Does not play
Ambrotos: Plays, not in TMO
Enroth: (new guide) Plays, not in TMO
Roids: (new guide on red) Plays, on red.... not in TMO


I dont think you understand the difference between GM and Dev...

[Amelinda]

I dont think you understand the difference between GM and Dev...

lol why don't you explain it to me.

[Diggles]

http://img.ponibooru.org/_images/b784dc642f36eb831be3519643b27f84/57180%20-%20Octavia%20artist%3ACarnifex%20artist%3Asiansaar %20oh_my%20sexy_times%20spitfire.jpgApology not accepted. Go jerk off to some tranny furry hentai porn, weirdo.

[Light My Fire]

Ponies are fucking gay.

[godbox]

winning thread would read again

wish they left harry potter dead at the end though

[godbox]

I think the most poignant comment in this whole thread full of elawyering is that people on the forums act like shit head lil brats who either attack each other or the server staff while arguing the semantics of each others sentence diagrams.

"ipso facto you just got out lawyerd bro"

will just real quick give a shout out thanks to i love playin on p99 its a blast from the past with great community and great gameplay

[somnia]

I think most of the reasoned comments here are focusing on the idea that these problems are individual violations and can be exceptionally difficult to police.

A quick use of common sense, history, or statistics will clearly cause you to realize that every guild is going to have individuals that will break these rules. From Daliant & Durison in TMO, to Kitai and Botnet in VD, and a number of IB members, every major guild will experience it within its ranks at some point or another.

It seems reasonable to only hold a guild accountable when it refuses to take action against any outed or reasonably suspected member. As this thread and its attendant sub-threads have clearly shown, accusers, defenders, trolls, and opportunists are taking every possible chance to cloud the waters. This is only making it more difficult.

I submit that if many of the posters here wanted to improve the server by the elimination of RMT, they'd take their concerns and proof to both the GM's and all the officers of the guild in question first. Instead, we immediately see a strict display of opportunism to grind an axe. Public outing can be effective, but let's not hide behind the shield of P99 Patriotism when all you want to do is effectively call someone an E-Faggot.

I believe that it is completely disingenuous to think that any guild that wishes to continue in its existence will openly or subtly support rules violations as a matter or policy. Just as IB and VD members had a sell off, I'm sure you'd see a sell off from a number of TMO members if TMO disbanded. Point is, there is nothing that an organization can ultimately do to prevent this. It can be discouraged by a rationally acting self-preserving guild, but not prevented wholesale.

Do not mistake me, public outing is a tool that can work well. I personally have a very strong expectation that my guild's leadership will respond to this situation and remove anyone found to have seriously violated the server rules.

I suspect that the GM's have been reluctant to deal with rules violations because many people just want to use the staff as a cudgel for personal reasons and not out of any sense of altruism or correctness.

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[Bodeanicus]

There's a very simple solution to all this. Complete and total wipe of the player database. Nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure. The we can masturbate wit the tears of the Asperger's victims whose virtual lives have been so unjustly destroyed.

[azeth]

There's a very simple solution to all this. Complete and total wipe of the player database. Nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure. The we can masturbate wit the tears of the Asperger's victims whose virtual lives have been so unjustly destroyed.

I find any naysayers to the idea of a server wipe to be very short sighted.

For all intents and purposes, if the admins are able to reintroduce Classic (minus Kunark) content, and then patch Kunark when deemed appropriate - the server ought to be wiped considering all the bologna that has gone on for years.

Out of let's say 500 active players, I imagine 50 players would not return due to losing their current character.

That said, I cannot foresee the constant population dipping below 1000 until Kunark again becomes stagnant in a year and a half.

I obviously no longer have a dog in the race, but I'm interested why folks (who clearly play here out of love for classic EQ) would oppose a total wipe/revert to Classic with timelocked expansions (Kunark/Velious)?

Isn't killing giant rats in Qeynos Sewers to hit level 5 more fun than camping Fungi King for weeks to buy BiS gear, for which you have absolutely no need?

[Alkorin]

Oh, great, another "wipe it clean" chant.

Wiping the server won't stop what's going on in this very thread. It'll just start again from net new. Why piss off your entire collective playerbase when you aren't going to effect any change anyway? Sellers will level up, make plat/farm items, and start selling again as soon as they're able. Buyers will continue to buy when there is something to spend cash on that they want.

[azeth]

Why piss off your entire collective playerbase when you aren't going to effect any change anyway? Sellers will level up, make plat/farm items, and start selling again as soon as they're able. Buyers will continue to buy when there is something to spend cash on that they want.

This is false through and through.

If the server were wiped RIGHT NOW, there would be quadrupple the population on line when the server restarts than there is currently.

Also, tracking RMT transactions from a zero'd server would be impossibly easy.

You know, I really just hate the idea of P99 going stagnant. This server ought to be treated like the marvel it is. THis is the only place left where you can play Classic EQ. TMO did a great job emerging as top dog, IB did a great job competing for years, DA too.

There isn't enough parody to sustain a happy population anymore.

[Metallikus]

I think most of the reasoned comments here are focusing on the idea that these problems are individual violations and can be exceptionally difficult to police.

A quick use of common sense, history, or statistics will clearly cause you to realize that every guild is going to have individuals that will break these rules. From Daliant & Durison in TMO, to Kitai and Botnet in VD, and a number of IB members, every major guild will experience it within its ranks at some point or another.

It seems reasonable to only hold a guild accountable when it refuses to take action against any outed or reasonably suspected member. As this thread and its attendant sub-threads have clearly shown, accusers, defenders, trolls, and opportunists are taking every possible chance to cloud the waters. This is only making it more difficult.

I submit that if many of the posters here wanted to improve the server by the elimination of RMT, they'd take their concerns and proof to both the GM's and all the officers of the guild in question first. Instead, we immediately see a strict display of opportunism to grind an axe. Public outing can be effective, but let's not hide behind the shield of P99 Patriotism when all you want to do is effectively call someone an E-Faggot.

I believe that it is completely disingenuous to think that any guild that wishes to continue in its existence will openly or subtly support rules violations as a matter or policy. Just as IB and VD members had a sell off, I'm sure you'd see a sell off from a number of TMO members if TMO disbanded. Point is, there is nothing that an organization can ultimately do to prevent this. It can be discouraged by a rationally acting self-preserving guild, but not prevented wholesale.

Do not mistake me, public outing is a tool that can work well. I personally have a very strong expectation that my guild's leadership will respond to this situation and remove anyone found to have seriously violated the server rules.

I suspect that the GM's have been reluctant to deal with rules violations because many people just want to use the staff as a cudgel for personal reasons and not out of any sense of altruism or correctness.

You talk about guilds being accountable for policing the actions of their players.....Every confirmed RMT sold account has been bought up by one guild and are all still tagged by the same guild.

As far as GMs being reluctant to deal with rules violations, they pick and chose what they go after. Lead GM warps to blackburrow to ban newbs exploiting pathing, but when something huge hits the fan it's time for vacation or the excuse of not having authorization/permissions to deal with it. Short answer: corruption.

[fadetree]

There isn't enough parody to sustain a happy population anymore


I think there's plenty of parody.

[Egil]

Also, tracking RMT transactions from a zero'd server would be impossibly easy.

I don't see how this can ever be the case. How do you differentiate between a RMT and a transaction between RL friends?

Friend levels up and wants to encourage another friend to keep playing or just wants to be nice. He gives a buddy an FBSS. How is that impossibly easy to decipher versus a RMT purchase of an FBSS?

[godbox]

That said, I cannot foresee the constant population dipping below 1000 until Kunark again becomes stagnant in a year and a half.

I obviously no longer have a dog in the race, but I'm interested why folks (who clearly play here out of love for classic EQ) would oppose a total wipe/revert to Classic with timelocked expansions (Kunark/Velious)?

Isn't killing giant rats in Qeynos Sewers to hit level 5 more fun than camping Fungi King for weeks to buy BiS gear, for which you have absolutely no need?

this is why your text walls are not worth reading =(

[azeth]

I don't see how this can ever be the case. How do you differentiate between a RMT and a transaction between RL friends?

Friend levels up and wants to encourage another friend to keep playing or just wants to be nice. He gives a buddy an FBSS. How is that impossibly easy to decipher versus a RMT purchase of an FBSS?

From a zero'd server, no one is nice enough to "give" their friend an FBSS.

[azeth]

I think there's plenty of parody.

Where's the parody? TMO has taken to gifting PUG raids a dragon a week.

What a fun time.

Clearly, I'm speaking for myself at this point considering the last few replies. I can't help but be surprised. I mean, the idea that folks wouldn't prefer to ditch their mains (who at this point serve only as farm bots for everyone's army of alts) for a fresh start under what could be a redefined set of rules (ie no poopsocking etc) is strange to me.

I wonder if a lot of you people were even around to enjoy the server when it was worth playing on.

The funniest thing to me, and no offense meant at all, but to anyone opposing a wipe - Despite some griping and bitching, the server population would increase (and maintain steady high numbers for a very very long time) and YOU would play and love every minute of it.

You cannot say you wouldn't play and enjoy yourself. I fully understand if the top end geared folks, or folks close to finishing their epic, or even those who are in their 30's and 40's and not dealing with this high end drama don't agree. The fact of the matter is, you'd still play.

Personally, I'd probably start a character and never join a guild nor ever identify that the person behind the character is me. I just love EverQuest, and again my juxtaposition on this idea of a wipe stems from wanting to see P99 continue to succeed.

[Ele]

You talk about guilds being accountable for policing the actions of their players.....Every confirmed RMT sold account has been bought up by one guild and are all still tagged by the same guild.

As far as GMs being reluctant to deal with rules violations, they pick and chose what they go after. Lead GM warps to blackburrow to ban newbs exploiting pathing, but when something huge hits the fan it's time for vacation or the excuse of not having authorization/permissions to deal with it. Short answer: corruption.

Name some names, you obviously have some in mind.

[HIYO]

Server wipe reduces the amount of plat.
Less plat avaliable drives up RMT prices.
Server Wipe benifits RMTers
Azeth is the RMT ringleader.
=D

[Susanbanthony]

Where's the parody?

Parity. Sorry!

[Hitchens]

In this thread people who do not play here discuss the merits of a server wipe.

[Fazlazen]

You talk about guilds being accountable for policing the actions of their players.....Every confirmed RMT sold account has been bought up by one guild and are all still tagged by the same guild.

As far as GMs being reluctant to deal with rules violations, they pick and chose what they go after. Lead GM warps to blackburrow to ban newbs exploiting pathing, but when something huge hits the fan it's time for vacation or the excuse of not having authorization/permissions to deal with it. Short answer: corruption.

Accounts were bought with plat, the plat was then sold for $$$. Should we go after the person who bought the char with plat, or the seller ?

Unfortunately, what I see here is your guildmates turned their backs on you, Metallikus, and decided to cash out on their way out.

Keep drinking that Kool-aid.

[azeth]

Server wipe reduces the amount of plat.
Less plat avaliable drives up RMT prices.
Server Wipe benifits RMTers
Azeth is the RMT ringleader.
=D

yes and im taking my i dunno $5-6000 and im purchasing some servers & nilbogs assistance to run a P99 V2.0 server.

Rules as follows:

FTE
No ninja looting
No training
Maximum Raid Size: 35
Minimum Raid Size to claim FTE: 20
Guild Petition Rules: 5 a month for guild related matters, anymore and you're flagged as Guild Warring for 30 days.

To be honest, I understand opposition to the thought. So don't be so angry reading these wipe it clean posts. Again, it just bothers me to see the population at 500, with 1 guild running things, and massive amounts of RMT.

Just a shame.

[inyane]

i'd like to see it wiped. so much bullshit on this server. all the duped pp and gear. all the buying and selling of accounts and crap.

i'm sitting at 60 with nothing to do. cept wait for velious, and who knows how long that will actually be.

i agree with azeth, some people would cry and quit, but i bet many more would return.

population seems to really be struggling these days, both day and night

[Nirgon]

Giving up more raid mobs to newer guilds encourages people to stay. It really is all about the community here, stop being greedy.

http://i49.tinypic.com/2iiwt8i.png

[Gwence]

things we've learned in this thread:

-Alarti is an idiot (pretty much common knowledge at this point)
-TMO condones RMT and is now trying to throw poor Daliant under the bus, very chivalrous
-Azeth talks alot but says very little (nothing new)

[azeth]

Hi Gwence, let me introduce myself, I'm Azeth, I don't believe we've ever spoken.

[Diggles]

In this thread people who do not play here discuss the merits of a server wipe.

[azeth]

Today is my birthday, I turned 26. Please be kind, thankyou.

[falkun]

with 1 guild running things

None of the other guilds bother putting up with the bullshit of trying to compete. The risk vs. reward just doesn't exist. Its actually nice right now to have TMO off in their own little world while the rest of us get to enjoy the game.

But I still have goals in this game and a server wipe would be counter-productive to those goals. Also, the server wipe would just replace our current "overlords" with new ones.

Longevity is the best thing for this server. EQMac has been locked in its state for years, and is a stable place that the people who play on it enjoy and they get along with each other. If the server was wiped all the time, you'd just have the hardcore players "beating" it over and over with every wipe. Without resets, the only people who still play enjoy it and have stuck through the years are the ones who play more to enjoy than conquer and the community has developed a mature atmosphere. On the other hand, you have the VZ/TZ PVP community, which has their PVP box wiped every couple months, maybe lasting a year. These guys go from one box to the next beating on each other for rights to claim "I am the best player on VZTZ_server_05". Personally, I'd take EQMac's community over the VZTZ community any day.

Your reasons for wanting a wipe: to remove the billions plat, to give bored players something to do, and to give everyone a clean slate for chances at top dog all cater to the "winners", and not the people who enjoy the journey. The billions of plat doesn't matter for players that enjoy the accomplishment of camping their own gear instead of buying it. The bored players wouldn't be bored if they enjoyed the journey instead of rushing to end-game, or if they enjoyed learning the meta-game for additional classes. And becoming top dog doesn't matter to people who just want to slay dragons, not train/grief/leapfrog/otherwise harass their competition for the same dragon. If you want to convince me of wiping the server and starting fresh, convince me its for my benefit. Until then, I'll take all the time I want to get my gear, kill my dragons, and I'll enjoy every small step along the journey.

[azeth]

^ I agree, I am very biased toward the min/maxer player type I absolutely am. I either am the best or close to the best or I really don't bother in many facets of my life.

I think you're right, that a wipe would really serve no benefit to the journeyman type player.

[Destan]

Azeth talks of a wipe, and while I know it's not going to happen at this point, it is something that should happen in the future. When we've played Velious out, they should wipe it and take their years of fine tuning, custom scripting, and general lessons learned and do it again but bigger and better. We'll celebrate EQs 15th birthday with a Project 1999 2.0

[azeth]

Azeth talks of a wipe, and while I know it's not going to happen at this point, it is something that should happen in the future. When we've played Velious out, they should wipe it and take their years of fine tuning, custom scripting, and general lessons learned and do it again but bigger and better. We'll celebrate EQs 15th birthday with a Project 1999 2.0

I'll be there with my level 1 rogue ready to roll anonymously in a few years! :)

[somnia]

I'm looking forward to epicemu - looks promising to solving the errors of raiding that exists on this server.

[Destan]

I'm looking forward to epicemu - looks promising to solving the errors of raiding on this server.

That's the one that is going to open with Classic - Velious but have legacy items dropping correct? The 'not really Classic but tagged that way' alternative to p99?

[somnia]

That's the one that is going to open with Classic - Velious but have legacy items dropping correct? The 'not really Classic but tagged that way' alternative to p99?

Yeah. P1999 isn't really classic but is tagged that way too.

[Diggles]

If you actually talk to the eqmac community you would find a lot of them are batshit crazy

[fadetree]

I think there's plenty of parody.

Where's the parody? TMO has taken to gifting PUG raids a dragon a week.


Just a little joke that maybe nobody got. Parity is things being equal, Parody is people making fun of something. I thought it was appropriate, given the thread.

[falkun]

If you actually talk to the eqmac community you would find a lot of them are batshit crazy

Please explain, I'm merely an outsider looking in. But even if they are crazy, is my argument that their community is more inclusive and cooperative than P99's any less valid? And the fanatics in the P99 community can be just as batshit crazy.

[Metallikus]

Accounts were bought with plat, the plat was then sold for $$$. Should we go after the person who bought the char with plat, or the seller ?

Unfortunately, what I see here is your guildmates turned their backs on you, Metallikus, and decided to cash out on their way out.

Keep drinking that Kool-aid.

It's a fair point that I must concede. How do you police the RMT if not ban the accounts that created the plat to be sold for real dollars? If every association with RMT came with a ban, then people wouldn't willy-nilly buy up obvious RMT'd accounts because there would be risk and thus reduce the ease of such against the rules type activities. I'll still drink the Kool-aid and say there's no chance that the devs aren't somehow involved in the RMT bidness or it might be policed better. Chinese goldfarming aint a new thing.

[somnia]

It's a fair point that I must concede. How do you police the RMT if not ban the accounts that created the plat to be sold for real dollars? If every association with RMT came with a ban, then people wouldn't willy-nilly buy up obvious RMT'd accounts because there would be risk and thus reduce the ease of such against the rules type activities. I'll still drink the Kool-aid and say there's no chance that the devs aren't somehow involved in the RMT bidness or it might be policed better. Chinese goldfarming aint a new thing.

It's a bannable offense to accuse devs of such actions.

[Diggles]

Please explain, I'm merely an outsider looking in. But even if they are crazy, is my argument that their community is more inclusive and cooperative than P99's any less valid? And the fanatics in the P99 community can be just as batshit crazy.
When PC gamers first came into the server, it was like the end times. They had just got their server back from the crazy heathens of SOE to have it fall to the malicious, hacking scumbag children that all PC gamers were. No one could be trusted. They would rather have the server shut down than have PC dogs breathing the same air as them.

[Daldaen]

Ban account sales for platinum, prettty simple.

[falkun]

Ban account sales for platinum, prettty simple.

You mean...people would have to level up their own toons? That would work in a Utopia. Sadly, people will want to have high level toons without having to put in the effort of leveling them up. If they can't obtain the toons through platinum, they will obtain them through other means, including RMT. Its very difficult to definitively determine a character (account) has changed hands to another player.

Honestly, plat account sales are better for deterring account RMT than banning plat account sales. Its kind of like the media's battle with piracy, they'd win if they made it easier to obtain their material through proper means than simply trying to end piracy.

[Daldaen]

Fine let them, then ban them for RMTing.

[shorttin]

ban plat account sales so if any account changes hand no matter which method it would be against the rules and said account can be ban without any rule lawyering

[falkun]

ban plat account sales so if any account changes hand no matter which method it would be against the rules and said account can be ban without any rule lawyering

I've already countered this...
You mean...people would have to level up their own toons? That would work in a Utopia. Sadly, people will want to have high level toons without having to put in the effort of leveling them up. If they can't obtain the toons through platinum, they will obtain them through other means, including RMT. Its very difficult to definitively determine a character (account) has changed hands to another player

Until you can determine a surefire way to determine players have swapped characters, you cannot prove this. Viewing IPs doesn't do this, because even most home routers and also ISPs change IPs occasionally. So the person could be playing the same account from the same house as was done yesterday, but if the user's router or the ISP changed the external IP address, the user would still flag as playing from a different IP. Also, some people EQ in multiple locations, like those who are able to answer batphones while at work. In those instances, the user most likely has multiple IP addresses that the user legitimately plays EQ from. All the above are legitimate cases of playing from multiple IP addresses which make account transfer hard to distinguish.

Since the root of the problem cannot be solved, it is better to legalize a method for obtaining toons than outright banning their official transfer because then unofficial (read RMT) transfer will proliferate more. Examples: Prohibition, marijuana, cocaine.

[Gwence]

When PC gamers first came into the server, it was like the end times. They had just got their server back from the crazy heathens of SOE to have it fall to the malicious, hacking scumbag children that all PC gamers were. No one could be trusted. They would rather have the server shut down than have PC dogs breathing the same air as them.

Don't think this is the case from my experiences, there are some weirdos over there, but that's the norm for any server really.

[Diggles]

When I was playing on it, I joined alliance chat on an anonymous toon and admitted to being a PC player.

The rage that followed was immense. And then some random person logged in and said something about being 14 years old.

Does anyone know if EQ logs chat by default? i could probably dig up the logs for it when I get home

[godbox]

Personally, I'd probably start a character and never join a guild nor ever identify that the person behind the character is me. I just love EverQuest, and again my juxtaposition on this idea of a wipe stems from wanting to see P99 continue to succeed.

who the fuck are you?
if you dont play now then you don't know wtf server is like.
if you dont play now then gtfo the forums plzntanks

[azeth]

When I was playing on it, I joined alliance chat on an anonymous toon and admitted to being a PC player.

The rage that followed was immense. And then some random person logged in and said something about being 14 years old.

Does anyone know if EQ logs chat by default? i could probably dig up the logs for it when I get home

Clearly I'm a PC player, but after dealing with BF3 players I can definitely see why EQMac folks might feel like this.

Last night actually I dropped someone with the scoped .44 and was called a "f**got N*gger american"

[somnia]

I've already countered this...


Until you can determine a surefire way to determine players have swapped characters, you cannot prove this. Viewing IPs doesn't do this, because even most home routers and also ISPs change IPs occasionally. So the person could be playing the same account from the same house as was done yesterday, but if the user's router or the ISP changed the external IP address, the user would still flag as playing from a different IP. Also, some people EQ in multiple locations, like those who are able to answer batphones while at work. In those instances, the user most likely has multiple IP addresses that the user legitimately plays EQ from. All the above are legitimate cases of playing from multiple IP addresses which make account transfer hard to distinguish.

Since the root of the problem cannot be solved, it is better to legalize a method for obtaining toons than outright banning their official transfer because then unofficial (read RMT) transfer will proliferate more. Examples: Prohibition, marijuana, cocaine.

IP may change but you'd still fall under the same ISP and/or general geolocation. This could work but would cause problems for people who travel a lot or simply go somewhere for the weekend. What if somebody legitimately moves?

[azeth]

who the fuck are you?
if you dont play now then you don't know wtf server is like.
if you dont play now then gtfo the forums plzntanks

I apologize I wasn't aware you were the primary donator and forum moderator. Let me collect my things.

[tekniq]

$150 for a shield of the rainbow hues is pretty expensive imo...

[Diggles]

Clearly I'm a PC player, but after dealing with BF3 players I can definitely see why EQMac folks might feel like this.

Last night actually I dropped someone with the scoped .44 and was called a "f**got N*gger american"

yeah, idk, eve is one server globally so you dont really see any hate between operating systems or nationalities or any of that. My BF3 experiences are normally calm too, I kind of assume all the hatespeech sticks to xbox.

[godbox]

I apologize I wasn't aware you were the primary donator and forum moderator. Let me collect my things.

--------> door

ty =)

[Barkingturtle]

Ban plat imo.

[Gwence]

When I was playing on it, I joined alliance chat on an anonymous toon and admitted to being a PC player.

The rage that followed was immense. And then some random person logged in and said something about being 14 years old.

Does anyone know if EQ logs chat by default? i could probably dig up the logs for it when I get home

ya but you're one of the biggest retards in existence, I'm sure you were spamming a bunch of idiotic shit in alliance

[godbox]

Ban plat imo.

qft silver economy ftw Id be rich like dave chappelle

[azeth]

--------> door

ty =)

Godbox, try not to be so obvious with your RMTing

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?p=509213#post509213

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?p=510701#post510701

Level 4 one day, buying an FBSS the next?

pwnt?

[godbox]

lol

thought u were leaving?

[azeth]

lol

I'm sure you're blushing hoping no one reads my post.

Obvious RMT'r is... an idiot

[Alarti0001]

I think most of the reasoned comments here are focusing on the idea that these problems are individual violations and can be exceptionally difficult to police.

A quick use of common sense, history, or statistics will clearly cause you to realize that every guild is going to have individuals that will break these rules. From Daliant & Durison in TMO, to Kitai and Botnet in VD, and a number of IB members, every major guild will experience it within its ranks at some point or another.

It seems reasonable to only hold a guild accountable when it refuses to take action against any outed or reasonably suspected member. As this thread and its attendant sub-threads have clearly shown, accusers, defenders, trolls, and opportunists are taking every possible chance to cloud the waters. This is only making it more difficult.

I submit that if many of the posters here wanted to improve the server by the elimination of RMT, they'd take their concerns and proof to both the GM's and all the officers of the guild in question first. Instead, we immediately see a strict display of opportunism to grind an axe. Public outing can be effective, but let's not hide behind the shield of P99 Patriotism when all you want to do is effectively call someone an E-Faggot.

I believe that it is completely disingenuous to think that any guild that wishes to continue in its existence will openly or subtly support rules violations as a matter or policy. Just as IB and VD members had a sell off, I'm sure you'd see a sell off from a number of TMO members if TMO disbanded. Point is, there is nothing that an organization can ultimately do to prevent this. It can be discouraged by a rationally acting self-preserving guild, but not prevented wholesale.

Do not mistake me, public outing is a tool that can work well. I personally have a very strong expectation that my guild's leadership will respond to this situation and remove anyone found to have seriously violated the server rules.

I suspect that the GM's have been reluctant to deal with rules violations because many people just want to use the staff as a cudgel for personal reasons and not out of any sense of altruism or correctness.

best post ever, especially the part about e-faggot

[Diggles]

lol

thought u were leaving?
think you should go, RMTer

[Alarti0001]

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/1/19/129083696644264229.jpg

When somnia has no logical point he falls back on meme's

[godbox]

I'm sure you're blushing hoping no one reads my post.

Obvious RMT'r is... an idiot

lol = laughing not blushing

im pretty sure everyone that reads ur posts donates to charitable trust for online tardiness

-------->door
<----------me not caring

[somnia]

When somnia has no logical point he falls back on meme's

Herp derp logical P1999 player reporting in.

[azeth]

^ just got outed by his own posts for RMTing

amazing

[somnia]

Godbox, try not to be so obvious with your RMTing

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?p=509213#post509213

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?p=510701#post510701

Level 4 one day, buying an FBSS the next?

pwnt?

Obvious but no ban will result.

[Diggles]

lol = laughing not blushing

im pretty sure everyone that reads ur posts donates to charitable trust for online tardiness

-------->door
<----------me not caring

rmted and trying to remove any suspicions

[godbox]

i probly ran into an old friend from druzzil ro who hooked it up.

[azeth]

i probly ran into an old friend from druzzil ro who hooked it up.

no more like you're a broke ass 19 year old jerk off aholic with only enough cash to buy plat for an FBSS.

Couldn't pony up a hundo for an RBB bro?

Get fucked

[somnia]

I see Rogean's point



http://if-guild.com/fAVICON.ICO
lol
http://zerozaku.com/images/smilies/icon_poop.gif
lol & accurate imo

[Alarti0001]

things we've learned in this thread:

-Gwence is an idiot and we've known this since, basically, forever.
-IB condones cheating, and are selling off all their loots and characters. (even their golden leader Xzerion ex-dev)
-Gwence and his guild all ran off to another server because they couldn't compete here, but gwence is still so lonely he comes back to the forums for attention.

ftfy

[Danyelle]

This fucking thread

[godbox]

no more like you're a broke ass 19 year old jerk off aholic with only enough cash to buy plat for an FBSS.

Couldn't pony up a hundo for an RBB bro?

Get fucked

lol

series of dumb ass responses to some kid aspergers
wtf is aholic?
how u know what a rbb costs?
------------------------------------------> door

thanks for a winning thread for me to read =)

[azeth]

^ still deflecting attention from obvious RMTing

[somnia]

ftfy

Not witty, go home.

[godbox]

wtf is rmt?

[Grozmok]

This fucking thread

is awesome.

[godbox]

is awesome.

qft

except im not getting any work done cuz of how fast paced it is =(

[Danyelle]

wtf is rmt?

Real Money Trading

AKA, Non-Sanctioned exchange of real world currency for a video game's currency or items in said game.

Sony doesn't allow it, EQEmu doesn't either. Most games don't unless it's through the developers.


I'm guessing you already knew all of this though.

[azeth]

qft

except im not getting any work done cuz of how fast paced it is =(

this we have in common. im deadline-less this week though.

[Diggles]

qft

except im not getting any work done cuz of how fast paced it is =(

shit bro, need to work so you have munies for that RMT

[godbox]

ooooooooooooo
i thought it was real macho tuffguy
like yah no shit im a real macho tuffguy
thanks for clearing that up
nah im not a real money transfer
i do it for free

[somnia]

Somebody call my name?

http://www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Spike+TV+Scream+2007+Arrivals+tcfjhDfc0QVl.jpg

[godbox]

^
im starting to show my age =(

[Silentone]

Cool, just got done reading this whole thing.

Godbox = cheater
Danyelle = likes ponies
Altari0001 = eqplayer0001
Daliant = RMTer ( love ya bro, sorry your IB pals were bad peeps)
Somnia = Harrison
Gwence = misses p99
Server = $$$$

[shorttin]

I've already countered this...


actually banning people for breaking the rules is the best deterrent of all but that obviously doesn't happen here

[godbox]

Cool, just got done reading this whole thing.

Godbox = dany trejo
Danyelle = likes ponies
Altari0001 = eqplayer0001
Daliant = RMTer ( love ya bro, sorry your IB pals were bad peeps)
Somnia = Harrison
Gwence = misses p99
Server = $$$$

read harder =(

[Silentone]

I read, and it all points to you either being a lying beggar or a RMT'er.

[godbox]

I read, and it all points to you either being danny trejo or a dany trejo lookalike.

[Autotune]

People in TMO have RMT'd, this is both shocking and new.

People on p99 have RMT'd from every guild!?!? NOWAI

you are all drama fags.

[Diggles]

srsly bro, you need to get back to work so you can afford another fbss next week

[Alarti0001]

Cool, just got done reading this whole thing.

Godbox = cheater
Danyelle = likes ponies
Altari0001 = eqplayer0001
Daliant = RMTer ( love ya bro, sorry your IB pals were bad peeps)
Somnia = Harrison
Gwence = misses p99
Server = $$$$

Silent might be on to something!

[Tiggles]

So like somnia is Hasbinbad according to the registration IPs

[azeth]

So like somnia is Hasbinbad according to the registration IPs

somnia is definitely someone with an agenda. that guy is just way too venomous toward TMO if he/she is truely only a 51 bard like his/her sig suggests.

what could TMO have possibly done to offend you? Your LZO group get trained by TMO otw to Trak or?

[Alarti0001]

So like somnia is Hasbinbad according to the registration IPs

Tiggles you always come through

[Danyelle]

Cool, just got done reading this whole thing.

Godbox = cheater
Danyelle = likes ponies
Altari0001 = eqplayer0001
Daliant = RMTer ( love ya bro, sorry your IB pals were bad peeps)
Somnia = Harrison
Gwence = misses p99
Server = $$$$

Seems legit

[Grozmok]

you are all drama fags.

Better than cat fags I guess.

[Xeliso]

So like somnia is Hasbinbad according to the registration IPs

Moar. I like it.

[Silentone]

So like somnia is Hasbinbad according to the registration IPs

figured harrison but that makes sense as well. good work tiggles

[Daliant17447]

sell you the info on Newguy for 150 bucks.
trade u a shield of rainbow hues for it

[Diggles]

WTB dubstep eq video pst

[Daliant17447]

my last EQ video currently in the works

[azeth]

my last EQ video currently in the works

itd be hilarious if you included the in-game RMT exchange in it

[Daliant17447]

No point.. i would just sell it back to you

and I'd probably buy it, and then post about it

[Silentone]

this coming from a person who was trying to have sex with xeli. keep going relapsee

[chosen one]

lethdar you need to get a life your like troriste all bluebed out

[Paumad]

to be fair, everyone tried having sex with Xeli

[Daliant17447]

<06:44:49>"Daliant": I owe you an apology
<06:44:55>"Daliant": and Nirron
<06:47:37>"Daliant": How can I make it up to you < should of said 150 bucks
<06:50:18>"Daliant": I feel really bad about it, it was a stupid and disrespectful thing to do
<06:51:03>"Daliant": in hindsight it wasnt worth it
Ya i agree ^
<06:55:33>"Daliant": well I did spend at least 4-5 days of clicking
<06:56:07>"Daliant": when TMO clerics started showing up I took it to the next step and I wish i wouldnt have < Ya fuck the clerics you now r best friends with AMIRITE
<06:56:16>"Daliant": because it wasnt fair to you guys

awww <3 can't believe u saved those bro! Going in my P99 scrapbook 4sure

[Autotune]

Relapsee bringin the lulz

[Autotune]

ohai alpha emma watson gif poster

haha, Truthfully I got the idea from IRC.

[Danyelle]

haha, Truthfully I got the idea from IRC.

I miss you ;_;

Bastard

[Autotune]

I miss you ;_;

Bastard

Daliant summoned me with epic threads!

[Danyelle]

Daliant summoned me with epic threads!

Stealin goes where the drama is. It sustains him, like food and water.

[Autotune]

Stealin goes where the drama is. It sustains him, like food and water.

something like that haha :)

Who knows, may have to start dropping huge drama bombs and scandal details myself.

[Fazlazen]

You did turn on your fellow guildmates too relapsee, just 1 less time than daliant ;)

[somnia]

So like somnia is Hasbinbad according to the registration IPs

You really want to be in my RnF guide, don't you?

[buffett77]

http://imgur.com/tCp90.gif

[Autotune]

Who wins Daliant who pays 150 bucks for a shield + PP back in the day and be a faggot to his fellow guildmates then Karma eats him up or Me for a stripped account like 2 months ago?

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/7064/pwnedz.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/16/pwnedz.jpg/)

you be the judge.

PS. Should of never fucked over your so called "friends" you fat fucking bitch.

oh snap, gauntlet thrown down.

[Danyelle]

You really want to be in my RnF guide, don't you?

It's clearly incomplete

[Crazyeye]

Who wins Daliant who pays 150 bucks for a shield + PP back in the day and be a faggot to his fellow guildmates then Karma eats him up or Me for a stripped account like 2 months ago?

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/7064/pwnedz.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/16/pwnedz.jpg/)

you be the judge.

PS. Should of never fucked over your so called "friends" you fat fucking bitch.


Relapsee wants to play big pocket little pocket small bank big bank. Durison still has u beat tho

[SamwiseRed]

what the hell could be worth over 10 dollars on this emu let alone 700.

edit: contacting sony HQ about this RMT business. burn it down.

[lethdar]

Biggest guilds on the server openly RMT, flaunting it about on the forums while nothing is done about it.

What a sad day for P99, hope starwars was worth it.

[bizzum]

What do you mean when i didn't agree how Tmo treated Jjlent on a "joint raid" and you bitches kicked him out of the guild? Think i was the only one who stood up for a friend the dude that had 80+% attendance in ascension unlike your faggot ass. So naw bro i woulda kept fighting you pussies the one who decided to join Tmo

I still love you Relapsee, also I love JJlent, but who doesn't!

[Xeliso]

wutwut, long time no see pal.

[Flunklesnarkin]

apparently the only thing you can be banned for is boxing lol


but i guess thats only people who don't tether their box accounts to a smart phone.

[Xeliso]

Silent? we all know he is retarded, it's a given.

[Autotune]

Xeli once talked shit about in me a forum of TMO's that he didn't think I could see. Then when he found out i could see he quickly deleted it.

Stealin = Top dog :)

[Xeliso]

Ya probably loot council, it wasn't that bad was it? Something along the lines I was worried you wouldn't make rational decisions.

Cats out of the bags, Stealin helps TMO decide loots. Hide yo kids.

[Xeliso]

<3 true story. Relapsee was a boss, pulled hate by himself and helped me get my planar.

[Autotune]

Ya probably loot council, it wasn't that bad was it? Something along the lines I was worried you wouldn't make rational decisions.

Cats out of the bags, Stealin helps TMO decide loots. Hide yo kids.

lol I don't remember what it was about, but wasn't bad for sure.

[Fazlazen]

What do you mean when i didn't agree how Tmo treated Jjlent on a "joint raid" and you bitches kicked him out of the guild? Think i was the only one who stood up for a friend the dude that had 80+% attendance in ascension unlike your faggot ass. So naw bro i woulda kept fighting you pussies the one who decided to join Tmo

Haha, good one ! Truth is I got suspended by Uthgaard himself for sticking out for Jjlent when he decided to suspend him for doing whatever he did on that joint raid. I did however give him a world of shit for it (apparently it's the one thing I'm good at), but he never got booted from the guild, sorry, that's just in your head.

At that time, you were looking for any excuse you could find to leave the guild. As you know, you didn't really like to fight for things, you are more the type of guy that wants it all, but without the effort.

Look where that got us, the people who stuck it out are now doing alright ;) , and your bitch-ass got driven us the server. You were a terrific cleric. Too bad you had no guts.

Enjoy the 700 $ you made tho, I bet they were well worth the 100+ /p .

[bizzum]

Funkle? we all know he is retarded, it's a given.

ftfy

Silent needs to get in here and spell some shit.

[bizzum]

Are you dumb? There were only a handful of people putting in srs amounts of time in ascension you were not 1 of them. To say i was only in it for loot is laughable. i attained more in my app to IB then i did in 6 months of tracking 40+h a week + nearly perfect raid attendance to keep that guild afloat you bitch.

Driven off the server? Laugh Out Loud. I got more heart then your entire faggot French Canadian state you pussy.

Me, you and Yindidar tracking Ascension ftw Relapsee :D

[Seaweedpimp]

relapse


swamp log masta

die by a mueselman

[Fazlazen]

Are you dumb? There were only a handful of people putting in srs amounts of time in ascension you were not 1 of them. To say i was only in it for loot is laughable. i attained more in my app to IB then i did in 6 months of tracking 40+h a week + nearly perfect raid attendance to keep that guild afloat you bitch.

Driven off the server? Laugh Out Loud. I got more heart then your entire faggot French Canadian state you pussy.

You are a much much better tracker than I am relapsee. 40 hrs a week for 2 months /salute lol.

You have 0 heart and we drove you and your pussy squad IB off the server. As you put it so well yourself :

TMO gives 0 fuck

[Silentone]

what im laughing about is he basically gave away the person who he RMT'd too, all the have to do is track down where his char and loot when and bam the poor fuck who trusted him and paid 700 dollars is now dunzo. GG.

PS. HIDE YOU RMT'd LOOT, HIDE YOUR CHARS THE COMING!!!!

[Amelinda]

FYI: to the idiots who keep posting shit like "OH GMS NOT DOING ANYTHIGN ABOUT RMT BURN IT DOWN"

you people are stupid.

I want to remind you of a few things.
1. we don't have a public ban list and NEVER WILL.
2. WE NEVER comment on discipline in public arenas.
3. I am not going to come to you every time I ban someone.
4. unless you play EQ from my lap - you don't know who the fuck IS or isn't banned. so STFU.

[quido]

May I play EQ from your lap sometime please?

[Zenlina]

What do you mean when i didn't agree how Tmo treated Jjlent on a "joint raid" and you bitches kicked him out of the guild? Think i was the only one who stood up for a friend the dude that had 80+% attendance in ascension unlike your faggot ass. So naw bro i woulda kept fighting you pussies the one who decided to join Tmo

looting firework stick on holiday events is serious business, dont know about the kicking him out of the guild thing tho.. was pretty funny and issue was resolved within afew hours anywho. Not sure why making it more then it is tho.

[Popt]

<3 relapsee

[Nagach]

FYI: to the idiots who keep posting shit like "OH GMS NOT DOING ANYTHIGN ABOUT RMT BURN IT DOWN"

you people are stupid.

I want to remind you of a few things.
1. we don't have a public ban list and NEVER WILL.
2. WE NEVER comment on discipline in public arenas.
3. I am not going to come to you every time I ban someone.
4. unless you play EQ from my lap - you don't know who the fuck IS or isn't banned. so STFU.

Look at what you've become Eli.

[Nagach]

You are a much much better tracker than I am relapsee. 40 hrs a week for 2 months /salute lol.

You have 0 heart and we drove you and your pussy squad IB off the server. As you put it so well yourself :

TMO gives 0 fuck

NERD GRUDGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

What's up fagzalzen , how is life dawg

[FoxxHound]

May I play EQ from your lap sometime please?

i has seen herz

[Alarti0001]

Are you dumb? There were only a handful of people putting in srs amounts of time in ascension you were not 1 of them. To say i was only in it for loot is laughable. i attained more in my app to IB then i did in 6 months of tracking 40+h a week + nearly perfect raid attendance to keep that guild afloat you bitch.

Driven off the server? Laugh Out Loud. I got more heart then your entire faggot French Canadian state you pussy.

40 hrs a week for 6 months and all you got was $700...thats not a good wage son
You can do better than $1.37 an hour

[Fazlazen]

NERD GRUDGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

What's up fagzalzen , how is life dawg

T'es toujours bien accroché à mes couilles hein toi !?!

[inyane]

FYI: to the idiots who keep posting shit like "OH GMS NOT DOING ANYTHIGN ABOUT RMT BURN IT DOWN"

you people are stupid.

I want to remind you of a few things.
1. we don't have a public ban list and NEVER WILL.
2. WE NEVER comment on discipline in public arenas.
3. I am not going to come to you every time I ban someone.
4. unless you play EQ from my lap - you don't know who the fuck IS or isn't banned. so STFU.


why all the secrecy? so discipline can be selectively enforced, and nobody will know one way or the other?

[nilbog]

why all the secrecy? so discipline can be selectively enforced, and nobody will know one way or the other?

It's not secrecy. It's just none of your fucking business. There was no public tribunal on eqlive.

If you have something legitimate to report, report it.

[Daldolma]

I don't really understand the purpose of the non-disclosure, either. It's the type of policy that sounds good, but doesn't accomplish any goal. If people are being banned for RMT, boxing, ShowEQ/MQ, etc, you should let the server know about it so as to discourage others from following suit. As things stand, just about everyone knows a few players who cheat or a few accounts that were RMT'd, but nobody really hears about anyone ever being banned. That creates the impression that cheating is widespread and punishment is non-existent.

And I don't really understand the calls for legitimate reports, either. Just as an example, Richgirl is clearly Plat Lord. Uthgaard has confirmed this, and while I realize Uthgaard's word isn't being taken at face value around these parts anymore, he's hardly the only person that knows. And yet, Richgirl's p99 forum account is still in use. In fact, it just sold a Pre-nerf Fungi Staff for 800k. That's not a transaction that should be difficult to track; that platinum shouldn't be difficult to remove. And if there was no such transaction, it shouldn't be hard to find a list of pre-nerf Fungi Staffs that were traded in the past two weeks. If you want to throw me access to the logs, I'll find it for you. If RMT were a priority of server staff, cutting the head off the snake (Plat Lord) would be a really good way to get started. Instead, these deals are going down on p99's very own forums.

It's not so much that RMT happens that is fueling this new anti-RMT sentiment. It's that it's happening in plain sight. EVERYONE knows that IB's guildbank was RMT'd, and that many of their core members are cutting their loot/chars and RMT'ing them. Hell, this is the kind of thing that former IB members will confirm for you. We're not talking about a set of fine steel weapons and 400 platinum changing hands. We're talking about transfers of rare god/dragon loot and hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of platinum at a time.

[Nirgon]

I wish Nilbog was psychic.

[Barkingturtle]

It's not secrecy. It's just none of your fucking business. There was no public tribunal on eqlive.


There also wasn't a pervasive perception that the staff was silently complicit in the RMT trade, at least not that I remember.

Also, you self-righteous prick, it is all of our business. You aren't the only one investing time here, nor money. This level of RMT will shut this server down. I for one would like to know what's being done about it because I've stopped trusting the staff here implicitly since you're either silent or petulant, every one of you, all the time. Maybe hire a community liason who comes out of their basement every so often and thus knows how to communicate amongst real people without just patronizing and pissing off the folks supporting your project.

Of course, there is some question what really supports this project these days, isn't there? Well dudes, that question only gets louder the quieter you become.

Server seems to be in a stage of terminal mismanagement for the past few months, particularly when it comes to community relations. Part of the problem is that Rogean is the only staff member with any tact or charisma, and he's pretty much MIA compared to how involved he used to be around here.

[nilbog]

As things stand, just about everyone knows a few players who cheat or a few accounts that were RMT'd, but nobody really hears about anyone ever being banned. That creates the impression that cheating is widespread and punishment is non-existent.

Yes, they do. They just refuse to recognize/believe it when we say it. We have consistently said we ban players. You know what impression would be created if we did publish a list of banned players? Unfortunately, it would be something like favoritism. Person A and B were banned, but person C wasn't! What is this, corrupt corrupt etc. This already happens.

And I don't really understand the calls for legitimate reports, either. Just as an example, Richgirl is clearly Plat Lord. Uthgaard has confirmed thisConfirmed is a bit too strong of a word. Uthgaard was in a position for a long time where he could have banned and did ban many players. If there was incontrovertible proof, then it would be handled the same as anyone else. Perhaps it's being handled now? If you have additional evidence, petition it.

In fact, it just sold a Pre-nerf Fungi Staff for 800k. That's not a transaction that should be difficult to track; that platinum shouldn't be difficult to remove. And if there was no such transaction, it shouldn't be hard to find a list of pre-nerf Fungi Staffs that were traded in the past two weeks. This indicates that any high platinum trade is RMT. That simply isn't the case. If it was sold for money, it would be an illegal transaction.

If RMT were a priority of server staff, cutting the head off the snake (Plat Lord) would be a really good way to get started. Instead, these deals are going down on p99's very own forums.While it isn't my #1 priority, I consistently help write and run queries with the goal of finding illegal transactions. Before someone blows up and says it should be my #1 priority, no it should not. My priority is the recreation of classic everquest. In fact, anything that isn't a bug report completely detracts from this goal. It IS worked on though. <- This is where you should believe me. If you don't, there's little I could say that will change your mind.

And btw, I'm tired of hearing and seeing everything about RMT and platinum and character sales. You might soon see a complete abolishment of any character sales for platinum on the forums. It might happen elsewhere, but whatever, I've always said I frowned upon it anyway.

It's not so much that RMT happens that is fueling this new anti-RMT sentiment. It's that it's happening in plain sight. EVERYONE knows that IB's guildbank was RMT'd, and that many of their core members are cutting their loot/chars and RMT'ing them. Hell, this is the kind of thing that former IB members will confirm for you. We're not talking about a set of fine steel weapons and 400 platinum changing hands. We're talking about transfers of rare god/dragon loot and hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of platinum at a time.If there is proof of this, submit it. Submit to me personally if you'd like. If someone has this proof in a petition, screenshots, logs, paypal logs and conversations, and we do NOT act on it, there would likely be rants and flames indicating how we suck, with that information attached. There's a reason you never see something like that though.. and its because we do act on information when it's given to us. :P

Like the RMT discussion the other day, which happened in the public arena... Evidence was submitted and it was handled. Because it happened in public, there was a huge outcry about how we don't do shit. Just because the public doesn't see a head on a spike doesn't mean anything. That is merely ONE instance of what happens when the public gets ahold of information.

[bylbob]

I don't really understand the purpose of the non-disclosure, either. It's the type of policy that sounds good, but doesn't accomplish any goal. If people are being banned for RMT, boxing, ShowEQ/MQ, etc, you should let the server know about it so as to discourage others from following suit. As things stand, just about everyone knows a few players who cheat or a few accounts that were RMT'd, but nobody really hears about anyone ever being banned. That creates the impression that cheating is widespread and punishment is non-existent.


You answered it, the main reason is because not much is done about it, letting know everyone that not much is done will be even worse than feigning something is done even if hardly anyone get banned. Better leave the mass in the doubt that something is done than letting them know nothing is done.

There is a serious lack of GMs on this server and not just to fight against RMTer. I hope they recruit a solid team of GMs for velious or i doubt many will even bother coming back to this server, I don't know if I will bother much with it myself.

+ rogean pays the gas for his ferrari (wich he bought with adsense profit) with RMT, it is a well known fact :o

[nilbog]

There also wasn't a pervasive perception that the staff was silently complicit in the RMT trade, at least not that I remember.

Also, you self-righteous prick, it is all of our business. You aren't the only one investing time here, nor money. This level of RMT will shut this server down. I for one would like to know what's being done about it because I've stopped trusting the staff here implicitly since you're either silent or petulant, every one of you, all the time. Maybe hire a community liason who comes out of their basement every so often and thus knows how to communicate amongst real people without just patronizing and pissing off the folks supporting your project.

Of course, there is some question what really supports this project these days, isn't there? Well dudes, that question only gets louder the quieter you become.

Server seems to be in a stage of terminal mismanagement for the past few months, particularly when it comes to community relations. Part of the problem is that Rogean is the only staff member with any tact or charisma, and he's pretty much MIA compared to how involved he used to be around here.

BTW, it's Rogean's rule that player punishments aren't public information; not mine. He leads CSR. I lead development. Unfortunately, as apparent here, it's a complete waste of my time to do anything but develop. Noted.

[achtung]

Don't let these monkeys troll you Nilbog. Concern trolling is still trolling.

<3

[Bodeanicus]

Are you dumb? There were only a handful of people putting in srs amounts of time in ascension you were not 1 of them. To say i was only in it for loot is laughable. i attained more in my app to IB then i did in 6 months of tracking 40+h a week + nearly perfect raid attendance to keep that guild afloat you bitch.

Driven off the server? Laugh Out Loud. I got more heart then your entire faggot French Canadian state you pussy.

Jesus Christ... bragging about playing a fucking video game 40 hours a week for 6 months. You fucking crippled, or something?