Obvious RMT is Obvious

[somnia]

Can somebody give me a better reason that all these people quitting are selling off their high-end equipment and characters for plat? What are they doing with the plat?

Isn't it obvious what they're doing with it? We need a sting? Amirite?

[Diggles]

u r so dum

[somnia]

u r so dum

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/2892/derp2.jpg

[EQtrader]

bitch I'm selling my shit for plat then buying shit for plat then selling for plat get the cycle I'm rich bitch!!!!!!!

[Pico]

it doesnt surprise me that someone who would say "obvious rmt is obvious" in year of our lord 2012 also cares about exchanging one worthless fiat currency for another

[Autotune]

http://i.imgur.com/RYwox.gif

lol

[mcy]

Eh the money to plat ratio just isn't worth the effort any more. Once Velious comes out it will shoot back up but I wasn't waiting around for that.

[Truth]

it doesnt surprise me that someone who would say "obvious rmt is obvious" in year of our lord 2012 also cares about exchanging one worthless fiat currency for another

[quido]

How much did you make, Botnet? Like $5000 or something? I wonder what the breakdown is per hour.

[Speedling]

Botnet confirmed Richgirl.

[Szeth]

Per hour it is abnormally low, however how often do you do participate in one of your favorite activities and make money for it?

[Truth]

everyday cuz i have #1 job according to wall street journal

[Misto]

everyday cuz i have #1 job according to wall street journal

prostitution?

[Truth]

cracking the whip at virtual plantation gulags of indian slaves

[somnia]

cracking the whip at virtual plantation gulags of indian slaves

I worked with code originally from Indians....worst fucking shit I've ever seen.

[Truth]

its ok if you write good detailed design specs, but still needs a bit of cleanup generally. in the end u get wut u pay 4

[Truth]

and slavery is free*

[Rais]

How much did you make, Botnet? Like $5000 or something? I wonder what the breakdown is per hour.

I'm willing he got a nice lil paycheck from the TMO member who bought botnet and kit.

[Autotune]

I'm willing he got a nice lil paycheck from the TMO member who bought botnet and kit.

like 250k plat =?

[Versus]

175k plat for Botnet/Pwny. So what does that break down to in $? I personally think I stole that account.

[Versus]

Edit....if 1k really does = $5, ya'll are some fucked up people for spending that type of cash on this shit.

[Newguy]

^ mad hes not making the fat cash

[Xeliso]

Thought it was 175k =P

[Xeliso]

So dumb, forgot to hit next page. Woops.

[Versus]

^ mad hes not making the fat cash

If I wanted to cash in my chips, I'd have a nice sum. Just don't need to, because:

a) I enjoy playing
b) I have a job. I don't need to sell my EQ shit for McDonalds funds.

[teekanc]

If I wanted to cash in my chips, I'd have a nice sum. Just don't need to, because:

a) I enjoy playing
b) I have a job. I don't need to sell my EQ shit for McDonalds funds.

[Supaskillz]

There are some reasons to liquidate stuff other than RMT. Suppose you plan to take a break from eq until velious comes out. I think it would make sense to turn your dropables into pp since plat doesn't just become insanely easier to farm but items get much better

[Truth]

i sell eq shit for malt liquor funds

[mcy]

The ratio was abysmal at the end with TR wrecking the economy. But for a hobby it was nice cash during kunark up until they left the server. I didn't give a fuck if the accounts sold for 50k at that point since i was done playing anyway.

[quido]

Why not just give them away then?

[somnia]

There are some reasons to liquidate stuff other than RMT. Suppose you plan to take a break from eq until velious comes out. I think it would make sense to turn your dropables into pp since plat doesn't just become insanely easier to farm but items get much better

Why sell your character then?

[Hitchens]

Because with Velious out you may want to play something different.

[Silentone]

Ya because velious is a big expac for lvl 1-50, sorry that excuse doesnt fly.
1) Velious is a Raiding Xpac
2) How does selling your lvl 60 Raid geared toon help you when velious comes out
3) RMT is RMT

[Fazlazen]

All along, VD was fighting the good fight, right ?

[Alarti0001]

Velious is awesome leveling 35 + anyways

[Danyelle]

Ya because velious is a big expac for lvl 1-50, sorry that excuse doesnt fly.
1) Velious is a Raiding Xpac
2) How does selling your lvl 60 Raid geared toon help you when velious comes out
3) RMT is RMT

While I agree with 2 and 3, 1 is not necessarily true (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/zone.html?zstrat=113).

It would be more correct to state that, while providing some mid level content (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/zone.html?zstrat=117), it was (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/zone.html?zstrat=103) in fact (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/zone.html?zstrat=104) mostly (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/zone.html?zstrat=116) raiding (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/zone.html?zstrat=123).

[Diggles]

halas, the expansion

[Flunklesnarkin]

I heard Obama is a big RMTer


http://i47.tinypic.com/1jpuzd.jpg

[Alarti0001]

I LIVED in the ToFS until the bitter end of my live EQ experience.



Tofs is probably my favorite exp zone of all time, in any mmo

[Danyelle]

Tofs is easily my favorite exp zone of all time, in any mmo

[somnia]

I heard Obama is a big RMTer


http://i47.tinypic.com/1jpuzd.jpg

welcome back Flunklesnarkin

[somnia]

Tofs is probably my favorite exp zone of all time, in any mmo

[Sirbanmelotz]

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b63/pitchblackheart1/EQ000125.jpg

[Zenlina]

No idea what that SS means but why you targeting Adelaide?

[Sirbanmelotz]

Its a guy saying "U take rl $?"

[Sirbanmelotz]

hold control and scroll up

[Nirgon]

Let's post some real #'s on what's being made.

[Szeth]

Actual profits, no clue. But if I've seen as much as I have, and have to guess it's likely only a drop in the bucket... I'd say sales totals for RMT on p99 gotta be over 50k, maybe even 6 figures.

[Diggles]

read that wrong and imagined someone robbing a bank so he could buy himself a nice shiny p99 character

[bylbob]

Actual profits, no clue. But if I've seen as much as I have, and have to guess it's likely only a drop in the bucket... I'd say sales totals for RMT on p99 gotta be over 50k, maybe even 6 figures.

6 figures for a server with lets say 5000 peoples (and I am very generous), that's 20 buck per player minimum, no way.

[Szeth]

Do you understand how sales work? Rich girl could have bought 40k worth of stuff and sold it for 60k. That is still 60k worth of sales.

[bylbob]

that's 100k worth of sales. and still 20 bucks per player average regardless.

[Szeth]

Well you have retards who are willing to spend upwards of 500 for a single item. That negates 25 of your people. Also food for thought is that afaik there aren't any items going for $20 or less. Maybe a small amount of platinum. Therefore your $20 avg is a bit of a misnomer, because the SMALLEST sales are likely near 75-100 bucks

[somnia]

This is like one of the those situations where something wrong is obviously happening and the people in charge are either:

a) oblivious to it
b) in on it
c) don't know what to do about it

In order to act we need to know which one it is otherwise we're going nowhere fast.

[somnia]

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/38780/806953-batman_beyond_7_super.jpg

[somnia]

http://i45.tinypic.com/143mahf.jpg

[rmackner]

You even have people in the forum asking for help with gear when they see how high prices are. Then 3 days later they are in the EC tunnel forum looking to buy pretty high priced items. So most people just put out the $50 on 10k plat to get a jump start. Since leveling is a pain in the ass from scratch and most people don't wanna grind on a 12 year old game they put out the money for leveling gear. This is the norm on the server and I don't think it will change any time soon. I don't know why they just dont open a cash shop lol.

[somnia]

Step by Step Guide to Catching RMT Characters

Step 1:
For every account offered on the RMT site, manually query database of characters that fit description (level, race, class, items). Should be relatively few characters that match exactly.

Step 2:
Of the few characters in the query, see which ones are played frequently. If character isn't played often then likely suspect

Step 3:
Look at IP addresses that the character's account logs in from. If the account has a long history of logging in from a single IP then suddenly changes to another IP then likely suspect.

How hard is this guys?

[inyane]

The amount of pp that is being bought and sold on that forum is truly staggering.
Millions of pp.

Really makes me want to stop playing here.

[rmackner]

Lol this one guy calls him self the platlord. He gives you a AIM, email and phone number to contact him on. Selling plat on p99 must be his full time job haha.

[Szeth]

You guys are all laughing, but if it's this obvious to us... how obvious must it be to people with database access?

It took me awhile cause I enjoyed surfing and trolling here from time to time... but I am gonna guess this forum handle is eating a ban soon.

[rmackner]

Step by Step Guide to Catching RMT Characters

Step 1:
For every account offered on the RMT site, manually query database of characters that fit description (level, race, class, items). Should be relatively few characters that match exactly.

Step 2:
Of the few characters in the query, see which ones are played frequently. If character isn't played often then likely suspect

Step 3:
Look at IP addresses that the character's account logs in from. If the account has a long history of logging in from a single IP then suddenly changes to another IP then likely suspect.

How hard is this guys?

They arn't being paid from us to play this game so WTF do they care. If anything it promotes the game to the outside world. You can't even find a plat seller for EQMAC but they sure do have a website just for RMT any thing in the p99 EQ world. I think most people would just come here and buy the plat for a head start.

[Szeth]

While I agree that there's no problem with RMT, because it's anyones goddamn choice what they spend their own paycheck on... that isn't the point.

The point is that Rogean tries to maintain some moral high ground and claim that RMT is squashed and zero tolerance. Which clearly isn't true.

[somnia]

They arn't being paid from us to play this game so WTF do they care. If anything it promotes the game to the outside world. You can't even find a plat seller for EQMAC but they sure do have a website just for RMT any thing in the p99 EQ world. I think most people would just come here and buy the plat for a head start.

They spend time monitoring potential 2 boxers, play(ed) babysitter to raiders, and state that RMT is against the rules, so I assume they do care.

[Daldaen]

Step by Step Guide to Catching RMT Characters

Step 1:
For every account offered on the RMT site, manually query database of characters that fit description (level, race, class, items). Should be relatively few characters that match exactly.

Step 2:
Of the few characters in the query, see which ones are played frequently. If character isn't played often then likely suspect

Step 3:
Look at IP addresses that the character's account logs in from. If the account has a long history of logging in from a single IP then suddenly changes to another IP then likely suspect.

How hard is this guys?

Whats to stop me from looking at the forums here, choose a random account and then go to a RMT site and make an identical thread? So that people think the person is RMTing it.

[somnia]

Whats to stop me from looking at the forums here, choose a random account and then go to a RMT site and make an identical thread? So that people think the person is RMTing it.

Right, that's where step 3 comes into play. Once a character enters the "watchlist", the IP of the character is monitored closely. Most people log in from the same set of IPs on a daily basis (unless you travel all the time - not the typical case). If the IP soon after changes to a totally new IP then it enters the "closely watched list". If the character consistently logs in from that same new IP then we have a strong evidence to believe the character was RMTed.

Only possible false positives would come if somebody posts a character that isn't theirs on RMT forums (they'd have to know all of their equipment and bagged loot) and soon after the owner of the account moves, goes on an extended trip, or suddenly starts allowing new guildies to use their character.

[Daldaen]

And... if they sold for platinum 'legit' as per their real auction thread on P99 boards? The account would change hands and the IP address which access the account would change..

Easiest solution, ban account sales for platinum.

[Silentone]

this isnt the first of these threads, and unfortunatly wont be the last. I mean come on, you quit a game so you sell your character? hmmmmmmm wonder why. The fact that character sales are allowed on this server even with Plat is a bit odd. I mean you dont want to allow 2boxing because it hurts the servers health so does selling characters imo. Forcing people to lvl their own characters would only increase the ammount of people leveling at lower lvls. Meh..... continue...RMT omg its happening !!!

[rmackner]

And... if they sold for platinum 'legit' as per their real auction thread on P99 boards? The account would change hands and the IP address which access the account would change..

Easiest solution, ban account sales for platinum.

Agree

[Alarti0001]

They arn't being paid from us to play this game so WTF do they care. If anything it promotes the game to the outside world. You can't even find a plat seller for EQMAC but they sure do have a website just for RMT any thing in the p99 EQ world. I think most people would just come here and buy the plat for a head start.

No one but sony can make a profit from EQ, with enough people making profits from p1999 sony "could" find cause to shut down p199 or/and eqemu
This is the real reason rmt isn't allowed

[Newguy]

if they ban accounts should they ban everyone that has bought plat or items as well?

if so there goes 30% of the population including some Tmo people.......

[Alarti0001]

if they ban accounts should they ban everyone that has bought plat or items as well?

if so there goes 30% of the population including some Tmo people.......

Lol prove it

[Callnoutthenewbs]

Tmo people all have ass burgers and there jeans if they even wear them at this point smell like year old farts/bo .......

+1 a wise man we got here

[Callnoutthenewbs]

Lol prove it

I can smell it from here

[Newguy]

Lol prove it

There was a Shield of Rainbow Hues pop up on one of your members alts a month or so ago.HE used RL cash to buy. Pretty sure you don't want me 2 start naming names of your fellow guild mates. You act like Tmo is so fucking innocent of everything, it is pretty laughable how much of a fucking retard you truly are.

[Callnoutthenewbs]

There was a Shield of Rainbow Hues pop up on one of your members alts a month or so ago.HE used RL cash to buy. Pretty sure you don't want me 2 start naming names of your fellow guild mates. You act like Tmo is so fucking innocent of everything, it is pretty laughable how much of a fucking retard you truly are.

+1 You should air tmo's circle jerk secrets to all

[Alarti0001]

There was a Shield of Rainbow Hues pop up on one of your members alts a month or so ago.HE used RL cash to buy. Pretty sure you don't want me 2 start naming names of your fellow guild mates. You act like Tmo is so fucking innocent of everything, it is pretty laughable how much of a fucking retard you truly are.

Actually you are wrong, if we have members participating in RMT I absolutely want to know and want to have it made public.
So please divulge your secrets

[Alarti0001]

There was a Shield of Rainbow Hues pop up on one of your members alts a month or so ago.HE used RL cash to buy. Pretty sure you don't want me 2 start naming names of your fellow guild mates. You act like Tmo is so fucking innocent of everything, it is pretty laughable how much of a fucking retard you truly are.

its sad when your claims are questioned you fall back on insults instead of proof? Do you work for Fox News?

[Callnoutthenewbs]

its sad when your claims are questioned you fall back on insults instead of proof? Do you work for Fox News?

Give the poor sap a chance to reply Geeez

PS feel free to materbate to my pic

[Silentone]

yawn, its sad when all we have are fake ass troll accounts to shit on. Hope you guys can come up with something better.

[Alarti0001]

yawn, its sad when all we have are fake ass troll accounts to shit on. Hope you guys can come up with something better.

we can only hope =(

[quido]

There was a Shield of Rainbow Hues pop up on one of your members alts a month or so ago.HE used RL cash to buy. Pretty sure you don't want me 2 start naming names of your fellow guild mates. You act like Tmo is so fucking innocent of everything, it is pretty laughable how much of a fucking retard you truly are.

Are you talking about me? I bought a shield from a friend for 140k. Or are you talking about Fistosaurus? He was awarded one from CT. These are the only monk alts I can think of that have a Shield of Rainbow Hues.

[Szeth]

Sweet mother of god.

[Bardalicious]

If this was really classic EQ, we'd be buying and selling on ebay - not www.lololp1999rmtsalez.com

RMT = WORKING AS INTENDED

[Newguy]

O sorry i had to do some RL stuff. It was Daliant that bought the shield for his monk. Thanks, Tmo known to harbor cheaters and people who RMT.

[Alarti0001]

O sorry i had to do some RL stuff. It was Daliant that bought the shield for his monk. Thanks, Tmo known to harbor cheaters and people who RMT.

Still waiting on evidence... I heard you were an RMT salesman.

[Newguy]

any evidence i have i will PM to harrison for you i promise

[Alarti0001]

if we have members participating in RMT I absolutely want to know and want to have it made public.
So please divulge your secrets

Just post it here? or PM me and I will? why pm harrison and have him post it?

I'm going to go out on an limb here and guess you have no evidence and you were simply casting aspersions.

[tekniq]

lol i'm not sure if you guys are just ignorant when you say "i never knew about RMT or the underground market for it"

doesn't take a moron to google it..herpederp

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=project+1999+rmt

[Diggles]

i want to make a tribes ascend version of that gif. Really badly.

[Silentone]

if you ask me, half the people who are posting here under troll accounts talking about RMT are the RMT'er raising awarness for thier site. Its pretty damn obvious what you jokers are doing. Create threads about how outraged you are about RMT, then point to the site and how easy it is to actually RMT and get away with it. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM wonder whats really happening here. FUCK off whatever you are selling we aint buying.

[Pico]

just wanted to remind every1 the ppl arguing here are grown men (?) at least physically

[tekniq]

i want to make a tribes ascend version of that gif. Really badly.

do it!

[Uthagain]

I'm going to go out on an limb here and guess you have no evidence and you were simply casting aspersions.

Doesn't aspersions come out with velious? I don't think you'll see anyone casting it here.

[Newguy]

if you ask me, half the people who are posting here under troll accounts talking about RMT are the RMT'er raising awarness for thier site. Its pretty damn obvious what you jokers are doing. Create threads about how outraged you are about RMT, then point to the site and how easy it is to actually RMT and get away with it. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM wonder whats really happening here. FUCK off whatever you are selling we aint buying.

I'm not arguing with anyone. I am not affiliated with any RMT site nor am i promoting one. I am also not outraged at all with RMT more power to the people making a steady income off a emuserver. I am though telling the 100% absolute truth. You asked me to name a name so i did. I am not out to troll Tmo but Alarti is dumb if he thinks his guild is o so innocent in such actions. Also one more thing he bought a finger bone hoop as well not off a "site" he paid RL cash to an ex IB member that he got in contact with. When they (IB) left the server. So spin your PR in which ever way you want. I really could careless.

[Alarti0001]

I'm not arguing with anyone. I am not affiliated with any RMT site nor am i promoting one. I am also not outraged at all with RMT more power to the people making a steady income off a emuserver. I am though telling the 100% absolute truth. You asked me to name a name so i did. I am not out to troll Tmo but Alarti is dumb if he thinks his guild is o so innocent in such actions. Also one more thing he bought a finger bone hoop as well not off a "site" he paid RL cash to an ex IB member that he got in contact with. When they (IB) left the server. So spin your PR in which ever way you want. I really could careless.

Evidence again please not just claims without a basis in fact. Everyone should believe you because you say you aren't lying? Seriously?

[somnia]

I'm not arguing with anyone. I am not affiliated with any RMT site nor am i promoting one. I am also not outraged at all with RMT more power to the people making a steady income off a emuserver. I am though telling the 100% absolute truth. You asked me to name a name so i did. I am not out to troll Tmo but Alarti is dumb if he thinks his guild is o so innocent in such actions. Also one more thing he bought a finger bone hoop as well not off a "site" he paid RL cash to an ex IB member that he got in contact with. When they (IB) left the server. So spin your PR in which ever way you want. I really could careless.

Dude it's super obvious that the hardcore crowd are engaging in this behavior. Nothing is being done or will be done about it though because just like in real life these people find ways around the rules by manipulating, lying, hiding evidence, colluding, wheeling and dealing, etc.

[Daldolma]

Evidence again please not just claims without a basis in fact. Everyone should believe you because you say you aren't lying? Seriously?

You do realize how retarded it is to demand evidence, right? What is he going to do, show you bank records? And even if he did, you're just going to accept that a $150 Paypal gift happened to be from Daliant for a Shield of Rainbow Hues?

There's obviously no fucking evidence unless you have log access and can prove that someone received the item in-game without trading any reasonable form of compensation. Even then, you'd probably be arguing that he was just transferring it from another char or getting it from a friend that quit or won it at a casino. You asked for a name, he gave it to you. If you want a rock-solid case, you're barking up the wrong tree, Sherlock.

The people capable of proving RMT have no real interest in ending it. Every long-term player on the server knows who Plat Lord is both in-game and on the P99 forums. You think the GMs don't? I don't know why they allow it and I don't really care -- it's their sandbox and I'm just playing in it. But it's obvious that it happens, a lot, and it's obvious that the only people capable of providing proof won't. So stop asking for proof as if absence of evidence equals evidence of absence.

[Alarti0001]

You do realize how retarded it is to demand evidence, right? What is he going to do, show you bank records? And even if he did, you're just going to accept that a $150 Paypal gift happened to be from Daliant for a Shield of Rainbow Hues?

There's obviously no fucking evidence unless you have log access and can prove that someone received the item in-game without trading any reasonable form of compensation. Even then, you'd probably be arguing that he was just transferring it from another char or getting it from a friend that quit or won it at a casino. You asked for a name, he gave it to you. If you want a rock-solid case, you're barking up the wrong tree, Sherlock.

The people capable of proving RMT have no real interest in ending it. Every long-term player on the server knows who Plat Lord is both in-game and on the P99 forums. You think the GMs don't? I don't know why they allow it and I don't really care -- it's their sandbox and I'm just playing in it. But it's obvious that it happens, a lot, and it's obvious that the only people capable of providing proof won't. So stop asking for proof as if absence of evidence equals evidence of absence.


Do you know how fucking retarded it is to name names or say a guild participates in RMTing without evidence?
For example, I know for a fact that Daldoma RMT's.

Its obvious RMTing exists I would't deny that, I would however, deny any RMTing is going on in TMO. Also I have been here since the beginnding and I have no clue who Plat Lord is. Why don't you tell us who they are on the p99 forums?
We should get Uthgaard back he always caught those RMTers !

[Szeth]

Oh man this thread got exciting fast.

[jibekn]

Do you know how fucking retarded it is to name names or say a guild participates in RMTing without evidence?
For example, I know for a fact that Daldoma RMT's.

Its obvious RMTing exists I would't deny that, I would however, deny any RMTing is going on in TMO. Also I have been here since the beginnding and I have no clue who Plat Lord is. Why don't you tell us who they are on the p99 forums?
We should get Uthgaard back he always caught those RMTers !

hahahahahahaha

[Daldolma]

Do you know how fucking retarded it is to name names or say a guild participates in RMTing without evidence?
For example, I know for a fact that Daldoma RMT's.

Its obvious RMTing exists I would't deny that, I would however, deny any RMTing is going on in TMO. Also I have been here since the beginnding and I have no clue who Plat Lord is. Why don't you tell us who they are on the p99 forums?
We should get Uthgaard back he always caught those RMTers !

He didn't name names until you asked. It was a stupid thing to do on your part -- it is obvious that no evidence could possibly exist in either direction. That being the case, asking for names is merely begging for speculation that you can't disprove. You were better off just letting him make a nebulous statement about how certain members in TMO have RMT'd. Certain members in every major guild, with the possible exception of Divinity, have RMT'd. It's not a knock -- it's a fact of the server. Don't take it so hard, it's not like you have any way of knowing in the vast majority of cases. Some random level 58 that nobody really knows applies to your guild and is a really good app -- how the hell are you supposed to know whether or not he bought that char for RL cash at level 48? One of your guildies has 70k banked -- how are you supposed to know if he bought it or farmed it? Relax, it's obviously an individual-scale thing. Unless you're selling guild bank loot -- which he didn't accuse you of.

And if you really want to know who Plat Lord is, ask around TMO. Hell, ask Uthgaard. I'd rather not get dragged into it, but it's hardly some closely guarded secret.

[Alarti0001]

He didn't name names until you asked. It was a stupid thing to do on your part -- it is obvious that no evidence could possibly exist in either direction. That being the case, asking for names is merely begging for speculation that you can't disprove. You were better off just letting him make a nebulous statement about how certain members in TMO have RMT'd. Certain members in every major guild, with the possible exception of Divinity, have RMT'd. It's not a knock -- it's a fact of the server. Don't take it so hard, it's not like you have any way of knowing in the vast majority of cases. Some random level 58 that nobody really knows applies to your guild and is a really good app -- how the hell are you supposed to know whether or not he bought that char for RL cash at level 48? One of your guildies has 70k banked -- how are you supposed to know if he bought it or farmed it? Relax, it's obviously an individual-scale thing. Unless you're selling guild bank loot -- which he didn't accuse you of.

And if you really want to know who Plat Lord is, ask around TMO. Hell, ask Uthgaard. I'd rather not get dragged into it, but it's hardly some closely guarded secret.

I am merely allowing anon trolls who make accounts to troll tmo to back up ther claims. Also, claiming daliant rmt'd is an equally nebulous statement.

I'm asking here who is platlord! Someone out them and explain why you think they are who they are.

[Callnoutthenewbs]

Do you know how fucking retarded it is to name names or say a guild participates in RMTing without evidence?
For example, I know for a fact that Daldoma RMT's.

Its obvious RMTing exists I would't deny that, I would however, deny any RMTing is going on in TMO. Also I have been here since the beginnding and I have no clue who Plat Lord is. Why don't you tell us who they are on the p99 forums?
We should get Uthgaard back he always caught those RMTers !

Alarti0001 known child molester and complete fucking retard

[Alarti0001]

Alarti0001 known defender of truth, justice, and the American way

Ftfy

Callnoutthenewbs, known - wait who cares.

[Callnoutthenewbs]

Ftfy

Callnoutthenewbs, known - wait who cares.

You clearly care,

Might wanna go outside and tan that white pasty skin one of these days.

[Alarti0001]

You clearly care,

Might wanna go outside and tan that white pasty skin one of these days.

I live in washington, we have no sun! Plus I'm black

[Daldolma]

I am merely allowing anon trolls who make accounts to troll tmo to back up ther claims. Also, claiming daliant rmt'd is an equally nebulous statement.

I'm asking here who is platlord! Someone out them and explain why you think they are who they are.

What you're missing is that there is no possible way for anyone to prove an RMT claim to the satisfaction of a skeptic. I'm not saying Daliant RMT'd -- I have no idea. I'm just saying that RMT obviously happens, and it's impossible for a third party to prove that anyone on the entire server has RMT'd. So asking for evidence is a silly red herring. We all know that no evidence could possibly exist, and yet we know that RMT does exist. And no, accusing Daliant is not nebulous. It's pointed. TMO consists of what, 70 unique individuals? More? Saying that "members of TMO" do anything is pretty vague. Asking someone to name names is going to throw specific people under the bus, with no legitimate way to defend themselves. As impossible as it is to prove someone RMT'd, it's equally impossible to prove they didn't.

[Alarti0001]

What you're missing is that there is no possible way for anyone to prove an RMT claim to the satisfaction of a skeptic. I'm not saying Daliant RMT'd -- I have no idea. I'm just saying that RMT obviously happens, and it's impossible for a third party to prove that anyone on the entire server has RMT'd. So asking for evidence is a silly red herring. We all know that no evidence could possibly exist, and yet we know that RMT does exist. And no, accusing Daliant is not nebulous. It's pointed. TMO consists of what, 70 unique individuals? More? Saying that "members of TMO" do anything is pretty vague. Asking someone to name names is going to throw specific people under the bus, with no legitimate way to defend themselves. As impossible as it is to prove someone RMT'd, it's equally impossible to prove they didn't.

I wouldn't say impossible, some people are really stupid. However, a legitimate defense to an illegitmate claim is really whatever you want.

[Daldolma]

It's not impossible to prove RMT at all. And it is probably much easier, though much more information, to prove that someone did not RMT. There are logs for everything, you do realize this right?

Please keep up. Like I said, GMs are capable of providing proof, but they clearly don't want to. Anyone with access to logs would be able to prove RMT fairly easily, yes. And yes, it goes both ways -- they could disprove RMT if they were so inclined, as well. There's no current discussion in this thread over what the GMs are and aren't capable of doing with regards to RMT.

We're talking about third-party non-GMs, ie: some random accuser on a forum.

[Jjlent]

Oh man this thread got exciting fast.

[somnia]

Do you know how fucking retarded it is to name names or say a guild participates in RMTing without evidence?
For example, I know for a fact that Daldoma RMT's.

Its obvious RMTing exists I would't deny that, I would however, deny any RMTing is going on in TMO. Also I have been here since the beginnding and I have no clue who Plat Lord is. Why don't you tell us who they are on the p99 forums?
We should get Uthgaard back he always caught those RMTers !

So it just so happens the top guild on the server with all their high end loot isn't RMTing? Rightttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt.

Alarti you are the scum of this planet and everybody knows it. I know you do hardcore mental gymnastics to convince yourself that your path in life is righteous and you'll likely die thinking you lived a noble life but in all honesty you are a piece of smelly shit that needs to be flushed down the toilet. You're the sneaky lawyer type who twists words and reason into making people believe your vision of "evidence" is the only permissible version that will prove guilt or innocence. You bring your homebois along that will agree with anything you say because you're one big well-oiled circlejerk. You do all this because you know the straightforward reality is that you're a guilty piece of shit along with many others members in your guild.

The people in charge aren't doing anything about RMT because, as I've pointed out before, they:

a) Don't care
b) Don't have the ability (technical or literally can't gather enough information)
c) Are oblivious to what is happening.

My best guess is that it's a mix of a and b.

http://www.deviantart.com/download/122333828/Smelly_Poop_by_gybbi94.jpg

[somnia]

I live in washington, we have no sun! Plus I'm black

/thread

[Alarti0001]

So it just so happens the top guild on the server with all their high end loot isn't RMTing? Rightttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt.

Alarti you are the scum of this planet and everybody knows it. I know you do hardcore mental gymnastics to convince yourself that your path in life is righteous and you'll likely die thinking you lived a noble life but in all honesty you are a piece of smelly shit that needs to be flushed down the toilet. You're the sneaky lawyer type who twists words and reason into making people believe your vision of "evidence" is the only permissible version that will prove guilt or innocence. You bring your homebois along that will agree with anything you say because you're one big well-oiled circlejerk. You do all this because you know the straightforward reality is that you're a guilty piece of shit along with many others members in your guild.

The people in charge aren't doing anything about RMT because, as I've pointed out before, they:

a) Don't care
b) Don't have the ability (technical or literally can't gather enough information)
c) Are oblivious to what is happening.

My best guess is that it's a mix of a and b.



All our loot it accounted for most if not all of the rmting going on is accounts of people who quit and their gear + items farmed on farming camps. Raid loots are worn by our characters, and when those items are replaced they are turned back into the guild to be re-distributed to other members.


You can believe or suppose what you want its absolutely impossible to reason with someone who operates on faith or belief. If feeling like TMO is shit, and I'm the scum of the earth gets you hard, feel free. I won't argue your feelings. I will debate with those with high-functioning brains.

[Szeth]

0% chance you know where every single piece of raid loot worn by your members is.

[Szeth]

or where it originated.

[Alarti0001]

Absolutely right it is impossible to have 100% accountability. However, we do keep track of who is awarded what and if they are noticed without their loot they are investigated. Also, when we find a cheater, we boot them and out them. Unlike other guilds who are here or left the server

[Szeth]

Right, you've avoided the issue at hand. It's not knowing when loot you've acquired goes missing. It's when loot you haven't acquired appears.

[Destan]

I live in washington, we have no sun! Plus I'm black

Lies, you're just from the wrong side of the mountains. The East/Central parts of the state (Spokane, Yakima) see plenty of sun. It only rains on liberals. =P

[somnia]

Absolutely right it is impossible to have 100% accountability. However, we do keep track of who is awarded what and if they are noticed without their loot they are investigated. Also, when we find a cheater, we boot them and out them. Unlike other guilds who are here or left the server

So no 100% accountability. Strike One
Rot loot goes to guild bank. Who accounts for that without 100% accountability? Strike Two
TMO jerkfaces. Strike Three.

You're out.

[somnia]

Lies, you're just from the wrong side of the mountains. The East/Central parts of the state (Spokane, Yakima) see plenty of sun. It only rains on liberals. =P

I don't think geographic location is the important matter at hand here.

[bylbob]

Absolutely right it is impossible to have 100% accountability. However, we do keep track of who is awarded what and if they are noticed without their loot they are investigated. Also, when we find a cheater, we boot them and out them. Unlike other guilds who are here or left the server

Didn't your leader RMT? Durison... .

[Daldaen]

Absolutely right it is impossible to have 100% accountability. However, we do keep track of who is awarded what and if they are noticed without their loot they are investigated. Also, when we find a cheater, we boot them and out them. Unlike other guilds who are here or left the server

At this point in EQ yes.

Once everything becomes no-drop... basically in PoP+, ya you can have 100% accountability. But since they made raid loot tradeable outside VP, ya you can't know where all that shit goes.

Ergo, we need PoP released. Fuck velious/Luclin.

[Alarti0001]

Right, you've avoided the issue at hand. It's not knowing when loot you've acquired goes missing. It's when loot you haven't acquired appears.

We have a lot of plat? I hardly ever make money, I'm a wizard. I am probably one of the poorer member but I had over 400k in pp at one point. What loot is in question szeth?

[Alarti0001]

Lies, you're just from the wrong side of the mountains. The East/Central parts of the state (Spokane, Yakima) see plenty of sun. It only rains on liberals. =P

Ill take my drizzles and you take your multiple feet of snow !

[Alarti0001]

So no 100% accountability. Strike One
Rot loot goes to guild bank. Who accounts for that without 100% accountability? Strike Two
TMO jerkfaces. Strike Three.

You're out.

Not 100% accountibilty doesn't mean no accountability.
Rott loot.....rotts.
So if tmo has 90% or 95% accountibility we cause all or most of rmt? Wts logic

[Daldolma]

TMO obviously isn't the major force behind RMT at this point in time -- IB is. They left and sold their guild bank to Plat Lord. Then individual members sold off all their items and RMT'd their plat or highly liquid items. You'd have to be an idiot to believe that TMO members weren't at least a few of the people buying up the fire-sale via RMT, but that's not really the point.

The point is that people will always quit P99. Recently, it was IB. Now, a lot of VD are leaving. Eventually, it'll be TMO. And when people quit, they don't want to leave their uber loot rotting in bank. They want to cash out. That's natural. Currently, there are almost no barriers to that market. People sell because they don't care if they get caught; people buy because they know they won't get caught.

It's not a guild thing. It's a server thing. Theoretically, anyone quitting will sell off their items/character/plat. High end guild members just tend to have more valuable items/more plat/better characters.

[FoxxHound]

http://i.imgur.com/RYwox.gif

haha.
Shit is awesome.

[Uthagain]

Do you know how fucking retarded it is to name names or say a guild participates in RMTing without evidence?
For example, I know for a fact that Daldoma RMT's.

Its obvious RMTing exists I would't deny that, I would however, deny any RMTing is going on in TMO. Also I have been here since the beginnding and I have no clue who Plat Lord is. Why don't you tell us who they are on the p99 forums?
We should get Uthgaard back he always caught those RMTers !

Platlord = richgirl. And Yeah, I always do catch the RMTers.

Why was the guy who got banned for accepting gems given to him by richgirl supposedly as a gift, banned and never responded to by rogean? He was too dumb to put it all together, he just wanted to play, and begged to get unbanned politely for years.
Why was the evidence that I posted from old logs ignored and removed from public view?
Why is there a record of Rogean texting Richgirl/Platlord for the past two years, with a large spike in text volume when the richgirl character finally did get banned?
Is that why he was so worried that his contact information (which is publically available all over the internet) was available? Or was that just a lame excuse to silence the truth?
Why are those logs so closely guarded from all staff except Rogean?
Probably the same reason he tried to spin the Tiggles thing that he was involved in.
Casting those aspersions.

Soak up the truth before it's gone with the wind, like the evidence I've posted before about richgirl.

Three cheers for local copies, friends in high places, and justice against the corrupt.

[Newguy]

Just for the sake of showing i am honest and not a troll you wanted evidence? Here is the best i can do. I am sure you will lawyer and twist it up in some way. The seller email and full name i will edit and daliant's last name and email will be edited. TMO SO INNOCENT ALARTI CONFIRMED A FAGGOT


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Feb 27

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Shield and fingerbone - sup?

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Feb 27

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$150 via paypal for both?


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Send it as a gift,

b@gmail.com

Let me know when you wanna do it and I will log on and the trade


On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Andy <p@gmail.com> wrote:

$150 via paypal for both?

On 2/27/12, Seller <t@gmail.com> wrote:
> Shield and fingerbone - sup?
>


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Feb 27

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do you want donals legs???


On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 7:48 PM, Seller <t@gmail.com> wrote:

Send it as a gift,

b@gmail.com

Let me know when you wanna do it and I will log on and the trade


On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Andy <p@gmail.com> wrote:

$150 via paypal for both?

On 2/27/12, Seller <t@gmail.com> wrote:
> Shield and fingerbone - sup?
>



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Feb 27

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Ill need about a week to get my next paycheck and the funds transfer to my paypal account if thats cool, yea I want Donals legs. you have??


On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Seller <t@gmail.com> wrote:

do you want donals legs???


On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 7:48 PM, Seller <t@gmail.com> wrote:

Send it as a gift,

b@gmail.com

Let me know when you wanna do it and I will log on and the trade


On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Andy <p@gmail.com> wrote:

$150 via paypal for both?

On 2/27/12, Seller <t@gmail.com> wrote:
> Shield and fingerbone - sup?
>




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Feb 28

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yea thats straight. I dont have the legs but someone said to make an offer, and ill pass it along. Hit me up here or on the forums whenever youre ready


On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:21 PM, Andy <p@gmail.com> wrote:

Ill need about a week to get my next paycheck and the funds transfer to my paypal account if thats cool, yea I want Donals legs. you have??


On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Seller <t@gmail.com> wrote:

do you want donals legs???


On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 7:48 PM, Seller <t@gmail.com> wrote:

Send it as a gift,

b@gmail.com

Let me know when you wanna do it and I will log on and the trade


On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Andy <p@gmail.com> wrote:

$150 via paypal for both?

On 2/27/12, Seller <t@gmail.com> wrote:
> Shield and fingerbone - sup?
>





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Mar 4

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funds are currently being transfered to my paypal account, anticipated date is 3/7. Ill send the money as soon as it clears.


On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 3:41 AM, Seller <t@gmail.com> wrote:

yea thats straight. I dont have the legs but someone said to make an offer, and ill pass it along. Hit me up here or on the forums whenever youre ready


On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:21 PM, Andy <p@gmail.com> wrote:

Ill need about a week to get my next paycheck and the funds transfer to my paypal account if thats cool, yea I want Donals legs. you have??


On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Seller <t@gmail.com> wrote:

do you want donals legs???


On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 7:48 PM, Seller <t@gmail.com> wrote:

Send it as a gift,

b@gmail.com

Let me know when you wanna do it and I will log on and the trade


On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Andy <p@gmail.com> wrote:

$150 via paypal for both?

On 2/27/12, Seller <t@gmail.com> wrote:
> Shield and fingerbone - sup?
>






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Mar 5

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Ok. Since the transfer is instant if you prefer to wait till I put items in trade that's fine. Away 3/8 for my bday so just keep me posted

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 4, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Andy <p@gmail.com> wrote:

> funds are currently being transfered to my paypal account, anticipated date is 3/7. Ill send the money as soon as it clears.
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 3:41 AM, Seller <t@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> yea thats straight. I dont have the legs but someone said to make an offer, and ill pass it along. Hit me up here or on the forums whenever youre ready
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:21 PM, Andy <p@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ill need about a week to get my next paycheck and the funds transfer to my paypal account if thats cool, yea I want Donals legs. you have??
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Seller <t@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> do you want donals legs???
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 7:48 PM, Seller <t@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Send it as a gift,
>
> b@gmail.com
>
> Let me know when you wanna do it and I will log on and the trade
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Andy <p@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> $150 via paypal for both?
>
> On 2/27/12, Seller <t@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Shield and fingerbone - sup?
> >
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Mar 7

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Ok I sent $150.00 as a gift to b@gmail.com

I'll be on tonight around 10 or 11pm EST you can find me on Daliant,
Woopi, Kenjo, or Greenbay


On 3/5/12, t@gmail.com <t@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ok. Since the transfer is instant if you prefer to wait till I put items in
> trade that's fine. Away 3/8 for my bday so just keep me posted
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 4, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Andy <p@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> funds are currently being transfered to my paypal account, anticipated
>> date is 3/7. Ill send the money as soon as it clears.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 3:41 AM, Seller <t@gmail.com> wrote:
>> yea thats straight. I dont have the legs but someone said to make an
>> offer, and ill pass it along. Hit me up here or on the forums whenever
>> youre ready
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:21 PM, Andy <p@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Ill need about a week to get my next paycheck and the funds transfer to my
>> paypal account if thats cool, yea I want Donals legs. you have??
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Seller <t@gmail.com> wrote:
>> do you want donals legs???
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 7:48 PM, <t@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Send it as a gift,
>>
>> b@gmail.com
>>
>> Let me know when you wanna do it and I will log on and the trade
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Andy <p@gmail.com> wrote:
>> $150 via paypal for both?
>>
>> On 2/27/12, Seller <t@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Shield and fingerbone - sup?
>> >
>>
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Sounds good I will get logged in around 10pmish

[Asher]

TMO SO INNOCENT ALARTI CONFIRMED A FAGGOT

Alarti asking for evidence of your claim means he is a faggot? You think everyone that RMTs tells their guild that they do so? You think guild leadership of every guild has enough time to go around all the RMT sites and track down possible people that are RMTing?

If you have proof of someone RMTing send their leadership and p99 staff your proof and I am sure they will take action if your proof stands up.

Asher

[inyane]

Platlord = richgirl. And Yeah, I always do catch the RMTers.

Why was the guy who got banned for accepting gems given to him by richgirl supposedly as a gift, banned and never responded to by rogean? He was too dumb to put it all together, he just wanted to play, and begged to get unbanned politely for years.
Why was the evidence that I posted from old logs ignored and removed from public view?
Why is there a record of Rogean texting Richgirl/Platlord for the past two years, with a large spike in text volume when the richgirl character finally did get banned?
Is that why he was so worried that his contact information (which is publically available all over the internet) was available? Or was that just a lame excuse to silence the truth?
Why are those logs so closely guarded from all staff except Rogean?
Probably the same reason he tried to spin the Tiggles thing that he was involved in.
Casting those aspersions.

Soak up the truth before it's gone with the wind, like the evidence I've posted before about richgirl.

Three cheers for local copies, friends in high places, and justice against the corrupt.

So, basically, you are saying the corruption goes all the way up to the highest level, and that Rogean is either involved, or knowingly letting it happen?

I'd believe it

[Newguy]

Daliant, all i gotta say to you is you should of never used 3rd party software on ragefire to make your gay mouse click 50x times the speed of a person while you were asleep. Which resulted in screwing over your own guild mates and Tmo's clerics. So for having 0 loyalty in any of the guilds you have ever been in and only out for yourself. I hope the Gm's look into the times, dates and logs in that email i got and fucking ban your selfish ass off the server.

[Daldolma]

Lol -- wow, exactly $150. Nuts that people will spend that for two items, one fairly easily obtained, on an emulated server.

Oh, and like I said, Uthgaard knows who Plat Lord is (see above post). If you know how to use the p99 search function, you can find his p99 forum name, too. I'm not tapped into the whole GM scene on here, but it probably means something that he's bold enough to sell millions of plat worth of items from a single project 1999 forum account that was linked to his in-game char.

[Alarti0001]

Platlord = richgirl. .
Casting those aspersions.



I thought aspersions was a place in velious?

[rmackner]

Lol -- wow, exactly $150. Nuts that people will spend that for two items, one fairly easily obtained, on an emulated server.

Oh, and like I said, Uthgaard knows who Plat Lord is (see above post). If you know how to use the p99 search function, you can find his p99 forum name, too. I'm not tapped into the whole GM scene on here, but it probably means something that he's bold enough to sell millions of plat worth of items from a single project 1999 forum account that was linked to his in-game char.

$150 for a damn private server item?! Make you wonder how much money this person has made off this server.

[rmackner]

So, basically, you are saying the corruption goes all the way up to the highest level, and that Rogean is either involved, or knowingly letting it happen?

I'd believe it

As time goes on we find out how fucked up the inner workings of this server are.

[Alarti0001]

Just for the sake of showing i am honest and not a troll you wanted evidence? Here is the best i can do. I am sure you will lawyer and twist it up in some way. The seller email and full name i will edit and daliant's last name and email will be edited. TMO SO INNOCENT ALARTI CONFIRMED A FAGGOT


Name edited < The seller

Feb 27

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Shield and fingerbone - sup?

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Feb 27

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$150 via paypal for both?


On 2/27/12, Seller <t@gmail.com> wrote:
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>
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Seller

Feb 27

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Send it as a gift,

b@gmail.com

Let me know when you wanna do it and I will log on and the trade


On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Andy <p@gmail.com> wrote:

$150 via paypal for both?

On 2/27/12, Seller <t@gmail.com> wrote:
> Shield and fingerbone - sup?
>


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Seller

Feb 27

to Andy
do you want donals legs???


On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 7:48 PM, Seller <t@gmail.com> wrote:

Send it as a gift,

b@gmail.com

Let me know when you wanna do it and I will log on and the trade


On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Andy <p@gmail.com> wrote:

$150 via paypal for both?

On 2/27/12, Seller <t@gmail.com> wrote:
> Shield and fingerbone - sup?
>



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Andy

Feb 27

to me
Ill need about a week to get my next paycheck and the funds transfer to my paypal account if thats cool, yea I want Donals legs. you have??


On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Seller <t@gmail.com> wrote:

do you want donals legs???


On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 7:48 PM, Seller <t@gmail.com> wrote:

Send it as a gift,

b@gmail.com

Let me know when you wanna do it and I will log on and the trade


On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Andy <p@gmail.com> wrote:

$150 via paypal for both?

On 2/27/12, Seller <t@gmail.com> wrote:
> Shield and fingerbone - sup?
>




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Seller

Feb 28

to Andy
yea thats straight. I dont have the legs but someone said to make an offer, and ill pass it along. Hit me up here or on the forums whenever youre ready


On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:21 PM, Andy <p@gmail.com> wrote:

Ill need about a week to get my next paycheck and the funds transfer to my paypal account if thats cool, yea I want Donals legs. you have??


On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Seller <t@gmail.com> wrote:

do you want donals legs???


On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 7:48 PM, Seller <t@gmail.com> wrote:

Send it as a gift,

b@gmail.com

Let me know when you wanna do it and I will log on and the trade


On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Andy <p@gmail.com> wrote:

$150 via paypal for both?

On 2/27/12, Seller <t@gmail.com> wrote:
> Shield and fingerbone - sup?
>





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Andy

Mar 4

to me
funds are currently being transfered to my paypal account, anticipated date is 3/7. Ill send the money as soon as it clears.


On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 3:41 AM, Seller <t@gmail.com> wrote:

yea thats straight. I dont have the legs but someone said to make an offer, and ill pass it along. Hit me up here or on the forums whenever youre ready


On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:21 PM, Andy <p@gmail.com> wrote:

Ill need about a week to get my next paycheck and the funds transfer to my paypal account if thats cool, yea I want Donals legs. you have??


On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Seller <t@gmail.com> wrote:

do you want donals legs???


On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 7:48 PM, Seller <t@gmail.com> wrote:

Send it as a gift,

b@gmail.com

Let me know when you wanna do it and I will log on and the trade


On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Andy <p@gmail.com> wrote:

$150 via paypal for both?

On 2/27/12, Seller <t@gmail.com> wrote:
> Shield and fingerbone - sup?
>






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t@gmail.com

Mar 5

to Andy
Ok. Since the transfer is instant if you prefer to wait till I put items in trade that's fine. Away 3/8 for my bday so just keep me posted

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 4, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Andy <p@gmail.com> wrote:

> funds are currently being transfered to my paypal account, anticipated date is 3/7. Ill send the money as soon as it clears.
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 3:41 AM, Seller <t@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> yea thats straight. I dont have the legs but someone said to make an offer, and ill pass it along. Hit me up here or on the forums whenever youre ready
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:21 PM, Andy <p@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ill need about a week to get my next paycheck and the funds transfer to my paypal account if thats cool, yea I want Donals legs. you have??
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Seller <t@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> do you want donals legs???
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 7:48 PM, Seller <t@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Send it as a gift,
>
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> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Andy <p@gmail.com> wrote:
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> $150 via paypal for both?
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> On 2/27/12, Seller <t@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Shield and fingerbone - sup?
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Andy

Mar 7

to me
Ok I sent $150.00 as a gift to b@gmail.com

I'll be on tonight around 10 or 11pm EST you can find me on Daliant,
Woopi, Kenjo, or Greenbay


On 3/5/12, t@gmail.com <t@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ok. Since the transfer is instant if you prefer to wait till I put items in
> trade that's fine. Away 3/8 for my bday so just keep me posted
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Mar 4, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Andy <p@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> funds are currently being transfered to my paypal account, anticipated
>> date is 3/7. Ill send the money as soon as it clears.
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>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 3:41 AM, Seller <t@gmail.com> wrote:
>> yea thats straight. I dont have the legs but someone said to make an
>> offer, and ill pass it along. Hit me up here or on the forums whenever
>> youre ready
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>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:21 PM, Andy <p@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Ill need about a week to get my next paycheck and the funds transfer to my
>> paypal account if thats cool, yea I want Donals legs. you have??
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>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Seller <t@gmail.com> wrote:
>> do you want donals legs???
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>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 7:48 PM, <t@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Send it as a gift,
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>> b@gmail.com
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>> Let me know when you wanna do it and I will log on and the trade
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>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Andy <p@gmail.com> wrote:
>> $150 via paypal for both?
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>> On 2/27/12, Seller <t@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Shield and fingerbone - sup?
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Seller

Mar 7

to Andy
Sounds good I will get logged in around 10pmish


So where did you get these, I'm assuming you are an RMT seller. This is far from foolproof evidence however it is concerning. Obv you edited this post as you mentioned whats ot have stopped you from editing the char names at the bottom.

If you are "for the server" as you said these "logs" should have been sent to server staff back in Feb, and should definitely be sent now.

[Newguy]

So where did you get these, I'm assuming you are an RMT seller. This is far from foolproof evidence however it is concerning. Obv you edited this post as you mentioned whats ot have stopped you from editing the char names at the bottom.

If you are "for the server" as you said these "logs" should have been sent to server staff back in Feb, and should definitely be sent now.

So you wanted a name i gave it to you. You wanted evidence i provided it for you. Like i said i am not a RMT seller. i do not even play on p99 anymore. I did not have the email in feb. I actually got it this morning. I do bet however, Daliant remains in Tmo bc you knew of him screwing out about 5 clerics on their epics when they first got released with 3rd party software. So keep trying to debate. Also you should cross reference this email add with your batphone or website - removed@gmail.com chances are he uses that email for everything.

[Callnoutthenewbs]

daliant = RMT bought 200k+ back in 2010 before his cleric was ever even level 50. confirmed platinum purchaser and 'respected member of your guild'. lolz

[Callnoutthenewbs]

alarti known faggot that lets rmt his his guild and then defends there RMT actions

What a useless PoS this guy is

[Alarti0001]

daliant bought 200k+ back in 2010 before his cleric was ever even level 50. confirmed platinum purchaser and 'respected member of your guild'. lolz

Its naive to not take information on faith when you don't know the source or validity of the information?

And in 2010 was there even 200k on the server? This claim is highly unbelievable.

Explain to me this rabbit hole?

[Szeth]

2010 was the year of 100 million plat being duped.

[Callnoutthenewbs]

2010 was the year of 100 million plat being duped.

Known tmo memeber that derails threads from his rmt buddys

[Szeth]

Is szeth in TMO now? I don't play him so I wouldn't know =p

[Uthagain]

Its naive to not take information on faith when you don't know the source or validity of the information?

And in 2010 was there even 200k on the server? This claim is highly unbelievable.

Explain to me this rabbit hole?

There were a lot of dupes on the server in 2010.

[Alarti0001]

2010 was the year of 100 million plat being duped.

Ya and I remember staff saying they found the dupers, banned them and deleted the currency

[Alarti0001]

So you wanted a name i gave it to you. You wanted evidence i provided it for you. Like i said i am not a RMT seller. i do not even play on p99 anymore. I did not have the email in feb. I actually got it this morning. I do bet however, Daliant remains in Tmo bc you knew of him screwing out about 5 clerics on their epics when they first got released with 3rd party software. So keep trying to debate. Also you should cross reference this email add with your batphone or website - removed@gmail.com chances are he uses that email for everything.

Who sent you this info this morning?

[Uthagain]

There was a lot more than that. In 2010 there was the silver ruby veil exploit, the copper to plat exchange in soltemple, a large number of showeq packet injections, varying phases of the trade dupe, which to date has always had either a vulnerability to duping or good odds of losing items in a trade, tons of items on vendors that should never have been, more that I'm probably forgetting.

[rmackner]

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=478298&postcount=11

[Newguy]

Who sent you this info this morning?

The seller did and no i will not be giving you his name or email. Told you he was ex Ib that is all you need to know.

[Fazlazen]

this thread delivers

[Crazyeye]

Proof is overrated obv, rogaine gives 0 fucks

[Alarti0001]

The seller did and no i will not be giving you his name or email. Told you he was ex Ib that is all you need to know.

Harboring a rmt terrorist lumps you in with them!

[rmackner]

Proof is overrated obv, rogaine gives 0 fucks

Pretty much, Rogaine sums it up with "So now that I've hopefully explained just how time consuming RMT investigations are, do you really think I would spend the little time I have trying to track down people spending real money on server items, instead of spending my time working on bugs, improving server performance/stability, implementing new systems to make our jobs easier (both csr and developers), and tracking down exploits and hacks?" So do you want bugs fixed or RMT banned? He only has time for one of them.

[Newguy]

Harboring a rmt terrorist lumps you in with them!

Harboring known cheaters and people who RMT lumps you in with them as well.

[rmackner]

Harboring known cheaters and people who RMT lumps you in with them as well.

No one gets to the top without fucking over someone or something.

[inyane]

Pretty much, Rogaine sums it up with "So now that I've hopefully explained just how time consuming RMT investigations are, do you really think I would spend the little time I have trying to track down people spending real money on server items, instead of spending my time working on bugs, improving server performance/stability, implementing new systems to make our jobs easier (both csr and developers), and tracking down exploits and hacks?" So do you want bugs fixed or RMT banned? He only has time for one of them.

I'd prefer he track down the RMT's, to be honest.

Though I would have also preferred they ban the 300+ people that got caught hacking and cheating, and we see how that worked out.

[Uthagain]

I think you all must have missed the post that explains why he doesn't give a fuck. And it doesn't have anything to do with time.

[Seaweedpimp]

TIME TO GET RICH

[Seaweedpimp]

http://ui28.gamespot.com/187/mobilehome.jpg

[YendorLootmonkey]

Evidence again please not just claims without a basis in fact. Everyone should believe you because you say you aren't lying? Seriously?

http://i.imgur.com/NHu4O.png

[Seaweedpimp]

LOL

so whats your point yendor? VD player is just as guilty of questsin asTMO player is.


1 difference is, nobody knows whos jennis char was, and when we do, that TMO member will not be in TMO anymore, and i can promise you that pal.


Jenni aka the broke jobless slut bum back in VD on her new ikky yet?

[Seaweedpimp]

Also, pretty glad i dont have to read her posts anymore, pretty annoying. Glad she bounced like fresh rubber and gripped and dipped the fuk out.

I thought you were gone too, oh well.

[Alarti0001]

Harboring known cheaters and people who RMT lumps you in with them as well.

I agree however you have no substantial evidence, just some text you even admitted to editing. How extensively is based only on your word. Word of mouth is not enough to incriminate someone.
Also, you confess to having knowledge of an rmt salesman. A confession however can self-incriminate.

So what we have here is daliant is innocent until proven guilty, but you are guilty by your own admission.

[Alarti0001]

LOL

so whats your point yendor? VD player is just as guilty of questsin asTMO player is.


1 difference is, nobody knows whos jennis char was, and when we do, that TMO member will not be in TMO anymore, and i can promise you that pal.


Jenni aka the broke jobless slut bum back in VD on her new ikky yet?


Vd player who is known to hate/troll tmo makes false claims....please don't tell me its possible!
Again you trisomy's can't figure out the difference between substantial evidence and accusations

[YendorLootmonkey]

Vd player who is known to hate/troll tmo makes false claims....please don't tell me its possible!
Again you trisomy's can't figure out the difference between substantial evidence and accusations

Yup, she hates you so much, she's in TMO as her new ranger, Peak. Or did someone in your guild buy that account from her via RMT, too? LOL

[Newguy]

I agree however you have no substantial evidence, just some text you even admitted to editing. How extensively is based only on your word. Word of mouth is not enough to incriminate someone.
Also, you confess to having knowledge of an rmt salesman. A confession however can self-incriminate.

So what we have here is daliant is innocent until proven guilty, but you are guilty by your own admission.

lol k dude i only edited names and emails out of respect but keep making it harder for your little butt buddy Daliant aka Andy Benton his other email address that i had edited out the post pdga17447@gmail.com.

Have you looked at your website and confirm this or the other one is not the email he used to register? I bet not and if you have and chances are he used one of them. You would not post here because you are a pussy.

[inyane]

Let's turn this discussion back to Uth saying Rog is involved in the RMT....

[Alarti0001]

lol k dude i only edited names and emails out of respect but keep making it harder for your little butt buddy Daliant aka Andy Benton his other email address that i had edited out the post pdga17447@gmail.com.

Have you looked at your website and confirm this or the other one is not the email he used to register? I bet not and if you have and chances are he used one of them. You would not post here because you are a pussy.

I'm not defending daliant, I'm attacking your lack of evidence. I can't check his email on the webpage I'm not an admin. However, if his email was the same all that means is you have his email? How is tha substantial evidence?

Him rmting is just as feasible as you being a jilted lover out for revenge at this point.

[Newguy]

How would i know his RL name his email add or every single one of his toons name?

[Ele]

http://i.imgur.com/NHu4O.png

Yup, she hates you so much, she's in TMO as her new ranger, Peak. Or did someone in your guild buy that account from her via RMT, too? LOL


The guy that played Jenni, and apparently bought it, hasn't played since shortly after Kunark released and thus he also didn't make it over to TMO after the merger.

He also abandoned the ranger and switched to a warrior before he quit. :p

[YendorLootmonkey]

Found the TMO Spin Machine's master plan:

http://i.imgur.com/vxabw.png

[Alarti0001]

Found the VD we suck QQ so therefore TMO Cheated Spin Machine's master plan:

http://i.imgur.com/vxabw.png
ftfy

Seriously yendor if we convicted people in the US for accusations like you seem to want to do here, there would be 330 million of us in jail.

Posting a pretty picture doesn't strengthen your claim it just makes you look more and more incapable of reasoned thought.

[Daldolma]

I'm not defending daliant, I'm attacking your lack of evidence. I can't check his email on the webpage I'm not an admin. However, if his email was the same all that means is you have his email? How is tha substantial evidence?

Him rmting is just as feasible as you being a jilted lover out for revenge at this point.


Man, this is why I told you it was stupid to beg the question.

You're having names and evidence thrown at you, and you have no way to disprove any of it. You're right -- that entire copy/paste job could have been falsified. Which is why you never should have asked for it. Now anyone reading this thread is left with the impression that either this random poster that was being badgered for details went to the trouble of falsely creating an entire dialogue with a totally innocent person, complete with RL name, e-mail addresses, and in-game character names -- or Daliant simply RMT'd. Which do you think sounds more likely?

Moreover, you've gone from a generic claim about certain members of TMO having RMT'd to Daliant being pinpointed with his purchases, RL name, and e-mail addresses being plastered on the board. If a GM actually cared (and if Daliant wasn't such a nice guy in game), this information would probably be enough to get him banned for RMT -- and it never would've seen daylight had you just left well enough alone.

By pushing this "TMO doesn't harbor cheaters" angle, you're not doing what you're trying to do. There are cheaters in your guild. Don't argue -- there are. It's not your fault or anyone else's fault, it's unavoidable. And it's not unique to TMO. So stop wasting your energy trying to prove there aren't. All you're going to do is invite more and more accusations that you have no way of combating.

[Alarti0001]

Man, this is why I told you it was stupid to beg the question.

You're having names and evidence thrown at you, and you have no way to disprove any of it. You're right -- that entire copy/paste job could have been falsified. Which is why you never should have asked for it. Now anyone reading this thread is left with the impression that either this random poster that was being badgered for details went to the trouble of falsely creating an entire dialogue with a totally innocent person, complete with RL name, e-mail addresses, and in-game character names -- or Daliant simply RMT'd. Which do you think sounds more likely?

Moreover, you've gone from a generic claim about certain members of TMO having RMT'd to Daliant being pinpointed with his purchases, RL name, and e-mail addresses being plastered on the board. If a GM actually cared (and if Daliant wasn't such a nice guy in game), this information would probably be enough to get him banned for RMT -- and it never would've seen daylight had you just left well enough alone.

By pushing this "TMO doesn't harbor cheaters" angle, you're not doing what you're trying to do. There are cheaters in your guild. Don't argue -- there are. It's not your fault or anyone else's fault, it's unavoidable. And it's not unique to TMO. So stop wasting your energy trying to prove there aren't. All you're going to do is invite more and more accusations that you have no way of combating.

You are confused, if there are cheaters/rmters in our guild I absolutely want it known and the evidence to come out.
However, nothing has been posted yet to prove that so I am inviting more "evidence".

Luckily for me I don't really need to prove innocence. The burden of proof is on the prosecution.

[Mantel]

Hi, I'm Slapen and I approve this thread.

[HIYO]

Luckily for me I don't really need to prove innocence. The burden of proof is on the prosecution.


This is not a court room. The only thing on the line is your reputation, so obviously nothing is on the line. No wonder why you continue to act the fool.

Have a great day !

[Daldolma]

You are confused, if there are cheaters/rmters in our guild I absolutely want it known and the evidence to come out.
However, nothing has been posted yet to prove that so I am inviting more "evidence".

Luckily for me I don't really need to prove innocence. The burden of proof is on the prosecution.

Once again, "evidence" is a red herring that doesn't exist and that isn't fooling anyone in this thread -- you're working against yourself. You keep stomping your feet and saying "that doesn't prove anything", but nothing would prove what you want proven. There is absolutely no way to prove that Daliant RMT'd without logs that are accessible only to GMs. Everyone knows that -- so when you ask for evidence, you make yourself (or more pertinently, the people you're defending) look guilty.

The guy provided e-mail addresses, an RL name, and a long enough dialogue to satisfy concerns about fabrication -- to most reasonable people, that's enough to assume Daliant probably did RMT. Honestly, I entered this thread thinking Daliant was a friendly guy, good player, and highly unlikely to RMT. I'm a third party -- it means nothing to me whether he did or not. When that poster accused TMO members, Daliant didn't come to mind at all. Then you asked for names, he said Daliant, and he even told you what items he bought. That made me wonder, but I still doubted it. You kept pushing and he provided the e-mails, an e-mail address, and a name -- and now I'd say I lean toward believing Daliant probably did RMT. I don't know a lot of trolls that would go through the trouble of fabricating an entire string of e-mails and throwing out e-mail addresses and a RL name just to make a totally innocent person look bad. And if a troll were to do that, I don't think they'd exercise the restraint of holding back pertinent details and only providing them after being badgered for them. They'd have just posted it all at once. I doubt I'm the only person that's been convinced.

And the only reason that happened is because you keep asking for more 'evidence'. Let it be and let the conversation go back to RMT and the server's health, rather than pushing the ridiculous argument that nobody in TMO RMTs. They clearly do.

[Asher]

The seller did and no i will not be giving you his name or email. Told you he was ex Ib that is all you need to know.

Wow, an ex IB RMTs to another ex IB and an old VD (IB in training) member RMTed?

Sounds like TMOs fault here.

Asher

[Alarti0001]

Once again, "evidence" is a red herring that doesn't exist and that isn't fooling anyone in this thread -- you're working against yourself. You keep stomping your feet and saying "that doesn't prove anything", but nothing would prove what you want proven. There is absolutely no way to prove that Daliant RMT'd without logs that are accessible only to GMs. Everyone knows that -- so when you ask for evidence, you make yourself (or more pertinently, the people you're defending) look guilty.

The guy provided e-mail addresses, an RL name, and a long enough dialogue to satisfy concerns about fabrication -- to most reasonable people, that's enough to assume Daliant probably did RMT. Honestly, I entered this thread thinking Daliant was a friendly guy, good player, and highly unlikely to RMT. I'm a third party -- it means nothing to me whether he did or not. When that poster accused TMO members, Daliant didn't come to mind at all. Then you asked for names, he said Daliant, and he even told you what items he bought. That made me wonder, but I still doubted it. You kept pushing and he provided the e-mails, an e-mail address, and a name -- and now I'd say I lean toward believing Daliant probably did RMT. I don't know a lot of trolls that would go through the trouble of fabricating an entire string of e-mails and throwing out e-mail addresses and a RL name just to make a totally innocent person look bad. And if a troll were to do that, I don't think they'd exercise the restraint of holding back pertinent details and only providing them after being badgered for them. They'd have just posted it all at once. I doubt I'm the only person that's been convinced.

And the only reason that happened is because you keep asking for more 'evidence'. Let it be and let the conversation go back to RMT and the server's health, rather than pushing the ridiculous argument that nobody in TMO RMTs. They clearly do.

There is away to prove if he rmt'd send the information to server devs, if he gets banned, Blamo!

You second paragraph is an argument ad populum, and it seems in character to make up shit about people if you are willing to make an anon troll account to just rnf. If you think this personality type is highly uncommon ill direct you to 4chan or similar internet hubs of scum.
Belief is not a burden of proof, but then again I am an atheist and am not prone to such fantasies of the mind. I may believe Daliant has done something shady but my rational mind knows to investigate further for real evidence.
I will always take the word of a guildie or someone i know over some anon forum troll.


I dont think that everyone in TMO is guilt free. We have reason to believe that Durison RMT'd or was rmting so we booted him and outing him. We have no reason to believe Daliant is rmting however. Every cheater we or someone else has identified with real evidence has been booted.

[Alarti0001]

Also to clear up what a generic red herring is since you seem misinformed

Red herring – argument given in response to another argument, which is irrelevant and draws attention away from subject of argument

Substantial evidence is the argument and is ALWAYS relevant

[Mantel]

.I dont think that everyone in TMO is guilt free. We have reason to believe that Durison RMT'd or was rmting so we booted him and outing him. We have no reason to believe Daliant is rmting however. Every cheater we or someone else has identified with real evidence has been booted.


LOL you had reason to believe Duri was RMTing.. you mean.. "we waited to "boot" Durison till after he stripped not only his toon but other guildys toon and then sold all items, and changed his phone # oh and a GM confirmed he did indeed strip the toons. Oh and Durison even admitted it.
At this point we had our "evidence" that he was indeed RMTing, so we went ahead and removed him.

[Mantel]

BTW Alarti hows the virgin life working out for ya? Perhaps do some RMTing and go to a rub and tug?

[Alarti0001]

LOL you had reason to believe Duri was RMTing.. you mean.. "we waited to "boot" Durison till after he stripped not only his toon but other guildys toon and then sold all items, and changed his phone # oh and a GM confirmed he did indeed strip the toons. Oh and Durison even admitted it.
At this point we had our "evidence" that he was indeed RMTing, so we went ahead and removed him.

this all happened in one day so ya when we suspected he was rmting we booted him and removed his access, once we proved he was rmting we reported it to the server.

[Daldolma]

Also to clear up what a generic red herring is since you seem misinformed

Red herring – argument given in response to another argument, which is irrelevant and draws attention away from subject of argument

Substantial evidence is the argument and is ALWAYS relevant

No, it's not, because there is no such thing as "substantial evidence". I don't understand why this is difficult for you. Everyone here understands that the only incontrovertible evidence is in the logs -- and only GMs can access the logs. Therefore, incontrovertible evidence is an impossibility -- and impossibilities are irrelevant. With that in mind, asking a non-GM for "substantial evidence" is a) mouth-gapingly stupid, and b) a clear red herring. You're drawing attention away from the accusation and the circumstantial evidence by demanding an impossibility.

[Mantel]

LOL happened in one day. You really are as dumb as you look. To think he never did it before that day shows how in denial you are. Keep drinking the coolaid brew.

[Alarti0001]

LOL happened in one day. You really are as dumb as you look. To think he never did it before that day shows how in denial you are. Keep drinking the coolaid brew.

Didnt say he didnt, just said when we found out we booted him. The line up you described in your earlier post happened in one day.

Lol @ slapen calling someone a virg....get on back to eqmac you couldn't hack it here

[Mantel]

BTW Alarti remember when you swore up and down that NO one in TMO did anything shady with Uthgaard? How did that work out for ya. You are in such denial, and think TMO members are you friends. NEWSFLASH: NO one gives two shits about you, and will do anything including sell you out for more loot. BTW say it with me ..sunlight!

[Mantel]

rotfl eqmac? I never played there never have never will. Sweet try thoe.

[Daldolma]

There is away to prove if he rmt'd send the information to server devs, if he gets banned, Blamo!

That's not proof at all. Uthgaard has posted LOGS proving Richgirl RMT'ed -- he gave you your incontrovertible evidence -- and Richgirl wasn't banned for months. His forum account still isn't banned; he's selling a fucking pre-nerf fungi, for Christ's sake. That might be the single easiest item in the game to track. For better or worse, it has been made extraordinarily clear that combating RMT is not a priority of this staff.

Conversely, I know of multiple people that have been accidentally or mistakenly banned and had those bans revoked. Being suspended/banned is proof of nothing other than the fact that your account was suspended/banned -- it doesn't prove innocence or guilt.

[Mantel]

Alarti confirmed crying that his brews got cought.

[Pico]

thread and all its contributors are deserving of serious psychological study

[Alarti0001]

No, it's not, because there is no such thing as "substantial evidence". I don't understand why this is difficult for you. Everyone here understands that the only incontrovertible evidence is in the logs -- and only GMs can access the logs. Therefore, incontrovertible evidence is an impossibility -- and impossibilities are irrelevant. With that in mind, asking a non-GM for "substantial evidence" is a) mouth-gapingly stupid, and b) a clear red herring. You're drawing attention away from the accusation and the circumstantial evidence by demanding an impossibility.

Plenty of ways to establish substantial evidence. Screenshots usually work best. Not screenshots of logs or email by the way. But I noticed alot of people are trying to do trades via text or AIM. Yes screenshots can be edited but its very unlikely that someone with skill enough to edit them past peer review exists here.
Editable logs and emails will always be suspect.

The real debate is that if you have information about RMTing you should go to the GM's who have infinitely more tools to find out about the truth of your claims. Coming here and flaming without evidence is the real red herring. Accusations and claims without proof are irrelvant.

Sorry if you got confused by your "belief" daldoma

[Alarti0001]

That's not proof at all. Uthgaard has posted LOGS proving Richgirl RMT'ed -- he gave you your incontrovertible evidence -- and Richgirl wasn't banned for months. His forum account still isn't banned; he's selling a fucking pre-nerf fungi, for Christ's sake. That might be the single easiest item in the game to track. For better or worse, it has been made extraordinarily clear that combating RMT is not a priority of this staff.

Conversely, I know of multiple people that have been accidentally or mistakenly banned and had those bans revoked. Being suspended/banned is proof of nothing other than the fact that your account was suspended/banned -- it doesn't prove innocence or guilt.

Being perma banned does.....Uthgaard once though I was running a RMT operation or something it took about 2 days but i gave him all my ip information to play with and it was proven that I was innocent. The people who stay banned are the guilty ones.

[Sodapop]

though I was running a RMT operation.

[Daldolma]

Plenty of ways to establish substantial evidence. Screenshots usually work best. Not screenshots of logs or email by the way. But I noticed alot of people are trying to do trades via text or AIM. Yes screenshots can be edited but its very unlikely that someone with skill enough to edit them past peer review exists here.
Editable logs and emails will always be suspect.

The real debate is that if you have information about RMTing you should go to the GM's who have infinitely more tools to find out about the truth of your claims. Coming here and flaming without evidence is the real red herring. Accusations and claims without proof are irrelvant.

Sorry if you got confused by your "belief" daldoma

Lol. So wait a minute. People do trades via text or AIM (or e-mail). AIM and e-mail are text-based formats that can be edited extremely easily. Hence, AIM and e-mail are "suspect". Yeah, you're right -- you're sure paving the way for substantial evidence. What do you want screenshots of? In-game chat? Nobody organizes RMT in-game. There's a whole fucking website devoted to matching buyers with sellers via AIM, e-mail, and PMs on their third party site.

And once again, the GMs don't give a shit about RMT and it's obvious this poster doesn't care enough to actually get Daliant in trouble. He didn't even want to name his in-game character. You just kept egging him on until he provided more than enough evidence for the GMs to look into Daliant -- if they cared, which they likely don't.

[Daldolma]

Being perma banned does.....Uthgaard once though I was running a RMT operation or something it took about 2 days but i gave him all my ip information to play with and it was proven that I was innocent. The people who stay banned are the guilty ones.

Or in other words, if you hadn't cared enough to give him all your IP information, you would've remained banned. In which case, you must've been running an RMT operation!

It's a silly argument. Plenty of people break the rules and escape punishment. Literally hundreds were cheating and escaping punishment for months before the ShowEQ/MQ bust. You're a perfect example of someone that apparently wasn't cheating and got suspended anyway. Just because someone hasn't been punished doesn't mean they're innocent, and just because someone has been punished doesn't mean they were guilty.

[Alarti0001]

Lol. So wait a minute. People do trades via text or AIM (or e-mail). AIM and e-mail are text-based formats that can be edited extremely easily. Hence, AIM and e-mail are "suspect". Yeah, you're right -- you're sure paving the way for substantial evidence. What do you want screenshots of? In-game chat? Nobody organizes RMT in-game. There's a whole fucking website devoted to matching buyers with sellers via AIM, e-mail, and PMs on their third party site.

And once again, the GMs don't give a shit about RMT and it's obvious this poster doesn't care enough to actually get Daliant in trouble. He didn't even want to name his in-game character. You just kept egging him on until he provided more than enough evidence for the GMs to look into Daliant -- if they cared, which they likely don't.

They have to be edited externally

[somnia]

Alarti confirmed mad.

http://t.qkme.me/353zv5.jpg

[Alarti0001]

Alarti confirmed mad.

http://t.qkme.me/353zv5.jpg

How is this confirmed you are creeping me out mano!

[somnia]

How is this confirmed you are creeping me out mano!

http://2damnfunny.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Scumbag-Nerd-Meme-In-Real-Life.jpg

[FoxxHound]

Soooo much anger.

[Alarti0001]

Meme's make you important

[somnia]

Too easy to direct the sheep on these forums.

[SamwiseRed]

sadly these RMTs make about .50 /hour when you do the math.

[Szeth]

vs 0 when you're playing EQ anyways and NOT rmting?

type /played. multiply days by 24, then cut that in half. You can either have the money or not =)

[Chubbler]

You even have people in the forum asking for help with gear when they see how high prices are. Then 3 days later they are in the EC tunnel forum looking to buy pretty high priced items. So most people just put out the $50 on 10k plat to get a jump start. Since leveling is a pain in the ass from scratch and most people don't wanna grind on a 12 year old game they put out the money for leveling gear. This is the norm on the server and I don't think it will change any time soon. I don't know why they just dont open a cash shop lol.

I think you're projecting.
Just a little.


"I beat my children, and am therefore suspicious that others may be beating their children, too."

[Sodapop]

vs 0 when you're playing EQ anyways and NOT rmting?

type /played. multiply days by 24, then cut that in half. You can either have the money or not =)

this is the dumbest fucking thing u've ever said on this server. why dont you go play shitty eq on your ipad u fgt.

[Szeth]

I clicked this thread to say whatup to sodapop...

Fuck you sodapop.

[Sodapop]

szethpop confirmed mad.

[Amelinda]

RMTing is against the rules. YES people still get banned for RMT. Time is at a premium for me right now and the last time I was giving ALL of my free time* to the servers I became pretty sick. I have no desire to wind up sick like that again and none of you have the right to ask me to do so. So I've taken a step back. If you wanna send me a PM listing specific people with evidence to back it up to look up I'll gladly pull some trade logs. I have a list i'm going to be pulling when nilbog gets back in town.

Locking this post as it has degenerated into "Reasons why you should RMT because if you don't then you are an idiot"

I haven't even bothered to read all the way through this post. but i've seen enough.