I is disapprove of The Loot Rights

[Brut]

Occasionally there's an auction about someone wanting this and that much for Pegasus Cloak at SK, or /shout about the same. Some occasions seen similiar crap on other places (a group in Lguk telling ppl they'd sell loot rights for DE mask if it drops, forgot the details on that one... was before the thing got nerfed).

...Which bugs the crap out of me. If you're parading around SK, spot Quill, kill it, cloak drops, you got one already, can't you simply /shout or /ooc that it's rotting here at loc this and that, first come first serve? The whole "WTS loot rights" on something that has 4min chance for whomever to get there is imo idiotic. I wouldn't feel particularly sorry if some pack of lowbies parked next to the corpse and forced you to lock down the corpse until it rotted.

Now I don't have a problem with you selling the loot rights if you're going to camp it for someone. Like, a ranger promises that for 2k he'll keep spawning/killing the flighty mammal until it drops the cloak, and then the customer can loot it. That's OK. That's fine. But if you're otw to splitpaw and find the mob roaming and kill it, then the whole opportunistic "WTS Loot rights" is BS. Pisses me off.

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[Serith]

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[SerithCantSpell]

Oh you mean like Inglourious Basterds trying to sell rotting raid loot in auction?

Yea it's pretty lame alright, but man nothing beats having like a MILLION PLAT in your bank, aaaahrhrhrhr SO AWESOME!!!!!

[SerithCantSpell]

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Damn Serith, go troll our drunk daddy instead okay?

[Omnimorph]

I think camping a mob you don't need with a pre-determined person to pay for the loot would be more of the dickish thing to do :/

Saying that I used to sell loot rights stuff back on live, it's a decent way to make money. People pay for stuff they didn't have to camp themselves... I don't really see a losing party in it, where as if someone is taking the camp with the sole purpose of killing it and having someone else loot it for money. That seems slightly more wrong to me as you're preventing someone who might want to camp it for themselves. :)

[Pheer]

Oh you mean like Inglourious Basterds trying to sell rotting raid loot in auction?

Yea it's pretty lame alright, but man nothing beats having like a MILLION PLAT in your bank, aaaahrhrhrhr SO AWESOME!!!!!

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[Kraftwerk]

Like, a ranger promises that for 2k he'll keep spawning/killing the flighty mammal until it drops the cloak
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What ranger? I'd pay 2k for that right now.

[Gwence]

I paid greenranger 500p for mine!

[Brut]

Some ranger was doing it for 1k months back, but he failed and gave up after some 30mins.
Camped it meself twice since it's actually suprisingly easy.

Saying that I used to sell loot rights stuff back on live, it's a decent way to make money. People pay for stuff they didn't have to camp themselves...
Ain't that essentially the same thing as camping a droppable item you don't need and selling it afterwards?

That seems slightly more wrong to me as you're preventing someone who might want to camp it for themselves. :)
Aaaand if you're selling loot rights, it usually means that while some guy was after the item, you took the camp and then want him to pay for whatever drops from the camp that you didn't need. So essentially it drops, it's gonna rot, but you're demanding him to pay you or you'll destroy it or whatever.

[Omnimorph]

Some ranger was doing it for 1k months back, but he failed and gave up after some 30mins.
Camped it meself twice since it's actually suprisingly easy.


Ain't that essentially the same thing as camping a droppable item you don't need and selling it afterwards?


Aaaand if you're selling loot rights, it usually means that while some guy was after the item, you took the camp and then want him to pay for whatever drops from the camp that you didn't need. So essentially it drops, it's gonna rot, but you're demanding him to pay you or you'll destroy it or whatever.

Yeah it is essentially the same as camping a droppable item, you're spending your time to do it etc etc. so i don't see why you shouldn't charge for it.

I'd like to think that whatever you're camping, there will be someone willing to pay for it. It serves no purpose to hold out on a fixed price for loot rights as if you don't sell it it does indeed rot, hence why a negotiable price is usually employed.

Easiest way to get rid of people selling loot rights would be for no one to offer to pay for them when they do drop... but of course we know that doesn't happen, hence why people auction loot rights in the first place :D

Whilst it is implied that the alternative to having no one buy the loot rights is that the person lets it rot, I would be highly surprised if this was actually the case.

[ulrich]

With the timer on looting. You have around 2 minutes to loot something if the kill is yours.

Is it consider Ninja looting or taking others loot if you loot someone kills after that 2 minute window. If there is 30seconds left on innoruks corpse or fippys corpse. Is it bannable or punishable if someone looted that corpse that didn't kill the mob?

What is that 2minute window there for?

[anthony210]

Yes it is still ninja looting if you dont have that persons or guilds permission to loot or the corpse is not just sitting there with no one around.

[Jify]

With the timer on looting. You have around 2 minutes to loot something if the kill is yours.

Is it consider Ninja looting or taking others loot if you loot someone kills after that 2 minute window. If there is 30seconds left on innoruks corpse or fippys corpse. Is it bannable or punishable if someone looted that corpse that didn't kill the mob?

What is that 2minute window there for?

I'd tell you it's bannable. But I've had loot ninja'd from myself before, and nothing was done. Hell, the ninja looter admitted doing it in OOC. At the very least it is frowned upon, and will not earn you any friends.

/shakefist Indasha

[Elendae]

I guess I don't have that killer business instinct because making a few k worth of platinum now when the next expansion is like half a year away seems a tad pathetic. I already have nothing to buy for myself and plat is piling up pretty quickly. Can't imagine what a few months at 50 will do for me.

[iamjacksrage]

I know someone that has over a million plat

[YendorLootmonkey]

I already have nothing to buy for myself and plat is piling up pretty quickly.

I wish I had that problem :(

[Omnimorph]

I already have nothing to buy for myself and plat is piling up pretty quickly. Can't imagine what a few months at 50 will do for me.

Because of things like that is why selling loot rights works so well :p You get 50, don't really fancy camping quillmane in SK (perhaps you're not a tracking class etc) and some guy just auctions it, you've saved up a lot of plat because you don't need anything, and spending 5k on an item that is a pita to camp seems justifiable.

Then there becomes a lucrative market for doing it if someone can be bothered... pretty simple to see how it works. Sure it might not be a very nice thing, but then farming camps that could give decent exp to full groups just for the loot isn't very nice either :p

It's just one of those things unfortunately.

[seratt]

I understand someone who is trying to sell loot rights, they're just trying to make money. It's a lame way to make money, but all the same.

What I don't understand are people who actually buy loot rights. I guess some people are that hard-up.

[Senadin]

What is so hard to understand? Not everyone can track and some of the zones are huge. Not everyone is in a guild either.

There are perfectly good reason to buy an item loot right.

[Dantes]

I wish I had that problem :(

Likewise. :D

[Yinikren]

I agree with the OP, selling loot rights to a random mob is pretty uncool

[Skope]

Making money off no-drop lore items is a whangus move, regardless of what anyone says.

If you really need the money then there's plenty of other, more productive, and easier ways to make plat, doing it on a no-drop lore item that you can't use isn't one of them. It's just someone who was there doing something else, got lucky and decided they'd try to make a quick buck. Sitting in SK waiting for quill to pop and sell his corpse off is not cool. In fact if I'm in SK I'm I wouldn't hesitate to /shout the loc.

I do think planar is a bit different, though. Not quite as easy as quill is it?! :P

[Omnimorph]

Well ideally i'd just ask one of my friends if they needed it, but fact of the matter is there are people willing to pay, and if the choice is between /shouting the loc for anyone to come loot it and having someone come and pay you to loot it.

As for planar... well alot of stuff rots up there, you'd have to pay something (in PoHate) for the port up stone.

The problem with loot rights is once it starts, the object you're selling the rights to becomes marketable, as in what is usually a no drop item that if you don't need you have no business camping, soon as people are paying 5k for it it's not an item, it's 5k :p

Whilst I do disapprove of it, at the same time i can see why it happens. For every person who decries it, there'll be someone handing over money for it.

It's just one of those things /shrug.

[lyyfeleech]

Tell ya what for some of us its a blessing. For example "the most terrible guild that ever existed" IB went out their way to help me out and trade some resist gems for some blighted I needed. It helped both of us and they could not have been cooler about it.
Some ppl like me have some time to farm a bit but not be in the premier guild on the server. I for one would be thankful if a guild offered me the right to purchase something like the inny necro book....because thats the only way I will ever get it.
As far as random mobs...if the seller comes through and delivers the item...whats the problem? ...did he beat you to the mob or something?

Oh well just my 2 cents.

Lyyfeleech

[yt2005]

As I understand it, the NO-TRADE attribute is put there to prevent (well, in theory; as is the actual case, hinder) the selling of the item. Still, you're marketing a valid commodity, and the buyer and seller walk away happy. While it does seem to violate the spirit of what NO-TRADE tries to accomplish, and I'm not really comfortable with it, I very much understand it.

tl;dr: Pretty much exactly what Omnimorph said.

[Tallenn]

Why do so many people want to regulate what other people wish to do or not do voluntarily? This is a completely voluntary transaction. Nobody is being forced into it. It is win/win. If it weren't win/win, one party or the other wouldn't participate. Get it? In the case of Quill: if you are the magician, would you rather pay for looting rights to the cloak, or not ever even hear he spawned?

Learn2 Free Market

And for the record, I have seen Quillmane up twice on track. I usually see if anyone in my guild wants to come get it, and if not, I'll do a /w magician and /t one of them. Note that if you are anon or role, you will not show up in a /w magician. I do it that way because I CHOOSE to. If I instead chose to try to sell off the looting rights, that would be MY CHOICE also.

[Omnimorph]

that would be MY CHOICE also.

Yeah! Pro-lifers be damned! It's his body dammit!

wait.. what were we talking about again? ;)

[ooantipostoo]

Occasionally there's an auction about someone wanting this and that much for Pegasus Cloak at SK, or /shout about the same. Some occasions seen similiar crap on other places (a group in Lguk telling ppl they'd sell loot rights for DE mask if it drops, forgot the details on that one... was before the thing got nerfed).

...Which bugs the crap out of me. If you're parading around SK, spot Quill, kill it, cloak drops, you got one already, can't you simply /shout or /ooc that it's rotting here at loc this and that, first come first serve? The whole "WTS loot rights" on something that has 4min chance for whomever to get there is imo idiotic. I wouldn't feel particularly sorry if some pack of lowbies parked next to the corpse and forced you to lock down the corpse until it rotted.

Now I don't have a problem with you selling the loot rights if you're going to camp it for someone. Like, a ranger promises that for 2k he'll keep spawning/killing the flighty mammal until it drops the cloak, and then the customer can loot it. That's OK. That's fine. But if you're otw to splitpaw and find the mob roaming and kill it, then the whole opportunistic "WTS Loot rights" is BS. Pisses me off.

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Sounds like someone is butt hurt about missing some loot. Who gives a shit if people sell loot rights, Its like selling ports as a druid not all class's can port so they have to resort to other sources of income. They killed it they have the right do do whatever the hell they want with THERE loot.

Good day.

[Wutno]

It's not enough that the government wants to have its hands in everything I do and regulate my real life. I want my online life regulated by a virtual police force to punish people from doing what they want.

After all, isn't there a point when you have made enough profits? You should be farming things and giving them to lvl 1 noobs or following groups in Unrest to buff, heal, rez and pull for them.

Also, we should implement a death tax. Not only do you lose xp when you die but you lose 50% of your wealth off the top to the virtual police force.

Leche~

[Omnimorph]

They killed it they have the right do do whatever the hell they want with THERE loot.

Good day.

If you're going to emphasize a word... might want to use the correct one ;)

Their their buddy... /comfort

[yt2005]

Can we change the subject to the concept of Need-Before-Greed? It still very much relates to the topic title. Yes? No?

[YendorLootmonkey]

This oughta be an epic thread... "Need Before Greed" vs "FU, I'm Entitled to Everything" personal mantras. :)

[Zephys]

Either way selling loot rights is dumb.

[Omnimorph]

This oughta be an epic thread... "Need Before Greed" vs "FU, I'm Entitled to Everything" personal mantras. :)

NBG is all well and good among friends, but when you get to a situation where there's a 12k item dropping for melees (FBSS) and a 50p item for the casters (ring) then it's really not fair. Getting an FBSS and selling it could get the caster GEBS or w/e.

If we do the everyone rolls on items over a certain price, it means it doesn't matter what camp you go to, if there's an expensive item you have a chance of winning it.

I believe this is the fairest method in all honesty. Afterall , you could have someone in full rubi with 2 yaks, but only a TBB... technically they need the fbss, but the guy in bronze needs it too :p

[YendorLootmonkey]

Yeah, personally I believe in NBG among friends/guildmates, and all-in /random for the stuff that's going to be of value to everyone in a random pickup group. What if you just won a 12K item in that same group earlier though? If someone in that situation goes in on the next /random, I personally would think that person is a douche.

[Tallenn]

NBG is all well and good among friends, but when you get to a situation where there's a 12k item dropping for melees (FBSS) and a 50p item for the casters (ring) then it's really not fair. Getting an FBSS and selling it could get the caster GEBS or w/e.

If we do the everyone rolls on items over a certain price, it means it doesn't matter what camp you go to, if there's an expensive item you have a chance of winning it.

I believe this is the fairest method in all honesty. Afterall , you could have someone in full rubi with 2 yaks, but only a TBB... technically they need the fbss, but the guy in bronze needs it too :p

this.

To me need before greed sounds a lot like, "from each according to his ability, to each, according to his need."