WOW -- ENCs suck

[redghosthunter]

I thought it was because my CHA was not max.... but now several months of punishing, grinding, painful (that about sums it,) life i now have good gear and things are no different. I was under the impression we were following a Timeline. And much later in the Timeline, ENCs sucked -- NURFed.

NO CHARM = ENCs are Worthless, who wants to be a Buff Whore?

The ENC nuke sucks, and MAJOR Agro
The ENC DOT sucks, no dps
The ENC Stuns, MAJOR Agro
The ENC Pet, weak

There is NOTHING you can do that does not get ya killed,,, over and over

Our Temple of Solusek Ro Quest.. broke--- RoIG

[Omnimorph]

Well, i wouldn't say enchs suck, but we certainly have some spells that generate aggro :) I mean our nukes are so badass, you should put them as a proc on a weapon and have it be droppable, and worth 350k!

Anyways, chanters don't suck. Hell, i can't even remember the last time i died.

[karsten]

you should definitely switch to a warlock or a priest

[redghosthunter]

Omni aint been killed in awhile , cause he hangs out behind the group and casts those buffs

[Nedala]

Hmm enc suck?

They are key class because of CC, there are camps you cant hold without an enc. And they have crack.

Encs rule imo, even if they had nothing but crack and mezz.

[BeepBeep]

I like enchanters.

[JayDee]

Yeah that's why I was duo'ing Tranix with my enchanter on vztz

[taamas]

Encs rule imo, even if they had nothing but crack and mezz.

Haste too.

[redghosthunter]

Again your all commenting on Group Benefits of ENCs, when did the Timeline change the ENC? Im pretty sure it was not Classic. But IDK cause i was always PAL.

[ulrich]

What about the encs that solo all of lower guk live and Dead!
What about the encs that Still solo efreeti. No other class can do this and a few other spots where only they can solo.

Yes they die a lot, but less and less the more they get use to the camp.
What about calm not resisting for enchanters because of the 200+ cha...
Troll form for hp regen ?? on an int caster...

Not to mention all the stuff they bring to a group or a raid. +++++

[Taminy]

I thought it was because my CHA was not max.... but now several months of punishing, grinding, painful (that about sums it,) life i now have good gear and things are no different. I was under the impression we were following a Timeline. And much later in the Timeline, ENCs sucked -- NURFed.

Overpowered/broken stuff is not supposed to be in the game even if it was classic. You don't see necros running around with a pet wielding 2 FS daggers do you?

Also, if this was classic, rogues would have crappy backstab damage and essentially do warrior dps.

A couple months ago when charm was more reliable that wasn't how classic was. I never, ever saw enchanters soloing guk camps on my server, let alone efreeti, FGs, and planes.


NO CHARM = ENCs are Worthless, who wants to be a Buff Whore?


And with charm, massively overpowered. Why should you have reliable control over a mob with 4x a warrior's hps and 2x a rogue's dps?

[Jify]

2x a rogue's dps?

Only x2? As a bard I could charm guards that quaded for 200s. Chanters were in the same boat, but with a better charm!

Try x5 rogue DPS, especially with haste!

[Izzni]

So you played an echanter soley because they could solo high end content, and not because you wanted to play a Crowd Control class...

[Taminy]

Only x2? As a bard I could charm guards that quaded for 200s. Chanters were in the same boat, but with a better charm!

Try x5 rogue DPS, especially with haste!

I thought about that I made the post.

Regardless, the same idea still stands. Why should someone get a reliable pet that is a better tank than a warrior or a better DPSer than a rogue, let alone both at the same time!

[Hasbinbad]

you should definitely switch to a warlock or a priest
i c wat u did ther

[Scrooge]

Enchanter is one of those classes that requires focus and understanding of how things work...if you want an easy ride, play a druid or a necro.

[Modus]

Enchanters are ghhheeeyyyyyy!

Play one so I don't have to.

PS: I solo Gods, and the exp is sick.

[girth]

One of the best groups I have been in on P1999 was after the charm nerf, we had a chanter charming a mob in highkeep basement and he literally out DPS'd the rest of the group. Mobs would die in less than 5 seconds.

I think it's you, not the class buddy.

[Nedala]

Haste too.

Yeah enchs are OP nerf them! :eek:

[Uaellaen]

NO CHARM = ENCs are Worthless, who wants to be a Buff Whore?

crowd control? essential in some camps? especialy in kunark i wont go anywhere near a deeper sebilis camp without chanter ...


The ENC nuke sucks, and MAJOR Agro
you are no DPS class, you are CC


The ENC DOT sucks, no dps
again, you are no DPS class, you are CC

The ENC Stuns, MAJOR Agro
every stun is major agro

The ENC Pet, weak
you are also no pet class, you are CC

[Serith]

I*

[LazyFuj]

suck less yes?

[guineapig]

Our DoT is basically a debuff that also does damage. I know they aren't used often in classic because mob hitpoints are so low but later on stacking out Dot and other Debuffs seriously lowers the damage output of harder to kill mobs. Not to mention our slows are nothing to sneeze at either.

Most of what we do just makes things easier for those around us. Making mana more plentiful, making kills faster, making heals less frequent, making offtanking unecessary, etc. We also have both invis and invis vs undead (necro is the only other class that gets that I think).

As stated before, our charmed pets when used can out DPS an entire group.

On a solo basis we are the only class that can go practically everywhere in the game without requiring any items or potions. We can do quests regardless of faction requirements, in most cases with little to no faction grind, which saves many many hours of work.

Chain stuns! We have an arsenal of spells that enable us to completely lock down a mob without any chance for them to react. All of our spells are magic based which some might think of as a detriment but we also get the best Magic resist debuffs in the game and it's an unresitable spell!

In later expansions we get interesting spells like horryfying visage which even helps crappy tanks keep aggro better.

The class is special and one of the best defined in the game. Things like charisma buffs, memory blurs, our enchant metals line, are all fairly unique. We even have a small DS available to us, ATK buffs, oh and almost forgot all of our mana syphoning spells! Including a mana leech spell!

No it's not an easy class to solo with and wasn't meant to be. It was designed as a complex class that takes a while to truly master and is indespensable in group situations.
I for one appreciate the fact that my main character is basically like playing EQ on hard mode.

You complain about it being difficult for a chanter to solo? Tell that to a warrior or rogue! At least we have soloing as an option and you should be happy with that.

[km2783]

It sounds to me like you're not playing the class for you. My highest so far is a lvl 12 because I'm still experimenting with classes, and my highest back in the day was a bard which I haven't even touched yet (and don't plan to). I mention this last because maybe you're tastes in class have changed over the years.

[Sylphe]

Enchanters do no suck. You're just not meant to play one.

[Jeebus]

Enchanters are a great class and are lost for the most part in any other MMO. Chicanery did a great job decribing the multitudes of uses an enchanter brings to the table.

Most classes have 1 to 2 jobs in a raid, enchanters have many more.

[Plaxiglass]

I remember back in the days when I tried to farm giants in frontier mountains in live. There was this enchanter that would take 5 giants at the same time, he initially took 3 but 2 more aggroed because of me and he said it was okay and took the 5 giants. It was beautiful to watch. I hope to see skillful enchanters in this server.

[Anata]

Really, I'm also playing an enchanter as my main now and enjoy the class very much. Crowd controlling is a risky, difficult and very rewarding job in a group, even if nobody seems to notice it.

The only problem is that charm does not work well on this server (the effective duration seems to be too short), which decreases the fun somewhat, but just to a little degree. :)

[Zephys]

This thread amuses me.

[yt2005]

Crowd controlling is a risky, difficult and very rewarding job in a group, even if nobody seems to notice it.

I'll tell you what I do notice: Crack. LOVE IT.

[siinge]

with the current state of enchanters at 50


they are hands down the single most powerful class in eq classic emu

there isnt anything they cant farm and is off limits if your willing to do some crazy shit...

there > necro's druids shaman mages

when it comes to named farm

in the hands of a scrub.... you ll prob get frustrated and re roll

[km2783]

I have died more on my enchanter than all my other characters combined.

Mostly due to other people's jack assery (pulling from the BACK of a lulled camp so the pull runs over all his buddies, not pulling mobs off me when that happens like they expect a clothy to off-tank or get a spell off while 2+ mobs beat the messy shit out of you, breaking a mezz via attack or AoE, etc)

but damn it's fun when you have a group that knows what's going on.

[km2783]

Or when that AoE stun gets off despite the beating and you perma mezz some mobs while the group burns everything down. :D

[redghosthunter]

/nod Zephys

WOW i got a rise on that one :)

Souless "DRAMA" Mindgames

I got good threads... Some of my Threads on http://crucible.samanna.net/viewforum.php?f=53 have done well 2

[Tallenn]

Seriously, how fucking hard is it to /assist the tank, and not break mez?

[km2783]

Seriously, how fucking hard is it to /assist the tank, and not break mez?

Apparently shockingly hard. Everyone forgets there is an enchanter in the group and has glorious visions of off-tanking and saving the group dancing in their heads. Meanwhile the healer is cursing their oily hides for making their life a healing nightmare.

[redghosthunter]

My all time Fav Mez break is when players AE... its like they want u to die

[Scrooge]

Do tell.

[Yak]

Like any other class in this same you need to understand what you role is and how to effectively play your class. Not an easy class to play but that's the point. Once you do get the hang of it, enchanters can do some amazing things. However, sounds like you are getting frustrated which is understandable. Take a break from that class, roll up or play an alt.

[Chanus]

My ENC doesn't suck. Hrmm.

[quellren]

What on earth prompted necro'ing a six month old whiny, uninformed rant about easily one of the most powerful classes in EQ?

[Messianic]

Scrooge is the culprit for Necroing this post...

[Scrooge]

It was too tempting not to.

[Chanus]

What? Awww.

You moron.

[Asher]

Well, i wouldn't say enchs suck, but we certainly have some spells that generate aggro :) I mean our nukes are so badass, you should put them as a proc on a weapon and have it be droppable, and worth 350k!

Anyways, chanters don't suck. Hell, i can't even remember the last time i died.

SoDs are 50k on Al'kabor

Asher

[Darthmuhh]

I have died more on my enchanter than all my other characters combined.

Mostly due to other people's jack assery (pulling from the BACK of a lulled camp so the pull runs over all his buddies, not pulling mobs off me when that happens like they expect a clothy to off-tank or get a spell off while 2+ mobs beat the messy shit out of you, breaking a mezz via attack or AoE, etc)

but damn it's fun when you have a group that knows what's going on.

Eh, I remember getting mad as shit when my GF use to be in a group of retards that got her killed multiple times like that.

I do not play yet, but this thread is making me lean heavy towards trying a chanter, even though they are gay:p

Shammy was always my main and i enjoyed the challenge of rooting and debuffing multiple mobs while grouping. Hell I use to even pull for the group, what better mob to have come into camp then one who is already slowed and debuffed?

[Scrooge]

For those who missed out on this excellent thread!