Mages these days... cont'd

[Swisher]

Benjy sat in on our camp in Lguk and KSed us repeatedly. He was dead, we were all at the camp before him, he got back and decided he had rights to the camp. We called 2 camp checks over 10 minutes, no response to either. He claims Ghordo was at the camp sneaking, but regardless, we got 6 people all the way out to Lguk to do ass/sup. Then this guy comes back and thinks he owns it. We eventually left. I have at least 5 other witnesses if this guy claims otherwise. I've heard he is a good guy from a guildie of his, hopefully this was just a friend on his account :P

[Swisher]

Just so there is no debate about it not being against the rules or what not, I have read the rules a few times since I decided to give up with Benjy, my group was in fact entitled to the camp.

[LevinJ]

This is Benjy, the asshole magi.

I was camping Ass/sup with Ghordo, 49 rogue in need of mask. I was semi-afk between spawns. I missed the cc if it happened, but both Ghordo and Stomp (my guildmate) tell me they responded to CC on my behalf. When I saw a /shout from Marley that he was moving group to Ass/sup, I /tell'ed him that I was camping it. While in dialogue with them, i messed up a pull in savant room and died. Ghordo remained sitting in ass/sup, answering CC's, and the room was fully cleared. I respawned at top of guk (where bound) and ran right back down. While looting my corpse in ass room (room still cleared) Swisha's group arrived and declared they owned the room.

They claimed no one responded to CC and that the rules "clearly state" that if someone doesn't respond to cc, they lose the camp even if they are present in it and keeping it clear. I informed them that I didn't accept that interpretation of the rules and would not leave the camp. Stomp and Ghordo both told them they had responded to CC's, as well.

I offered to give them every drop that I didn't need (including offering a serrated bone dirk to the rogue no charge) and I offered to help them break any uncamped room in guk that they could hold. I offered any fair resolution I could think of. The response was name calling, insults, threats of me being banned from game, reputation threats, and repeated KS attempts (unsuccessful). Some members of their group decided to leave rather than be involved. Others sent me /tell saying they just wanted exp and did not agree with Swisha, the group leader. Swisha and Ecstacy were the mouths of the group who refused to back down.

I maintained my offer to them of an amicable solution. They informed me they would rather /destroy any loot that dropped than let me have it. In the end they decided to leave the camp when they realized they could not KS me. Every member of the group except Swisha and Ecstacy sent me a /tell apologizing for Swisha's behavior. I am still at the camp now. In /tell I instructed their cleric how to get the group to Sage room, which my guildie Stomp offered to let them have. I have since given one member the supplier bag that dropped and promised them first dibs on all assassin masks after Ghordo gets his, along with any more bags that drop since we don't need them. I would still be happy to help them break any other room, as I have done for many other groups in Lguk upon request.

- Benjy 49 Mage <Europa>

[LevinJ]

That was a long post. Cliff notes:
- Swisha says I lost the camp because I didnt respond to CC, even though guildies responded for me and I had room occupied/cleared.
- Swisha moves group in, tries to KS.
- I offer friendly resolution, including giving them all masks/bags and helping them break another room.
- They prefer name calling, threats.
- They eventually give up on KSing me, move on. I help group find new camp spot and give them loots.
- Most group members apologize to me. Swisha still mad.

[Swisher]

Lol if you are going to sit here and straight up lie, then I don't know why I made this post. Whatever big man, you win.

[Swisher]

Okay this is the last thing I'll say in this thread.
- They eventually give up on KSing me, move on. I help group find new camp spot and give them loots.

Us KSing you? Dude, we did not get experience for any mobs you attacked. We even made the clear point to you that how could have attacked you first if our enchanters pet is on it?

- Most group members apologize to me. Swisha still mad. Get one of them to back that up. Blatant lie, our entire group was raging on you.

Lastly, we followed all rules, if you can't play by the rules, then you don't need to be here. Guess the only people who can bring some justice to this is the GMs.

[LevinJ]

Also as a follow up... while Swisha is here making this post his group just wiped in Savant room trying to pull exe up. I am in the process of telling his bard why pulling exe upstairs doesn't work due to pathing and offering help CR'ing.

[Barkingturtle]

I'm not sure which of you I believe and I'm not sure what's in it for me.

[Shamaeso]

Karma Swish? Like rolling over someone camping a spawn and saying no big deal?

[Swisher]

Lol shall I really post the screenshots of you FDing 6 mobs on our group Shamaeso?

[Shamaeso]

if you want considering i gated out would be surprising

[sedain121]

What is going on in this game and forums??! You really made a post about this? Grow the f up and move on you nerd. I don't get it. Coming on here and whining about a camp you didn't get.. get fkd.

There are entirely to many fkn whiners playing this game. Someone dies, cries. Someone doesn't get camp, cries. Someone finds /ooc offensive, cries. Someone doesn't like someone else, cries. Someone doesn't respond to CC, cries. OMG I'm crying now, But to come here and post shit like this just LOL @ you, I'm embarrassed for you. You and all the other whiners need to STFU with your whiny ass rants, no one cares.

[yaaaflow]

Is it true the camp was clear when you arrived Swish? If so... what exactly is your claim to the camp in your mind?

[Malrubius]

What is going on in this game and forums??! You really made a post about this? Grow the f up and move on you nerd. I don't get it. Coming on here and whining about a camp you didn't get.. get fkd.

There are entirely to many fkn whiners playing this game. Someone dies, cries. Someone doesn't get camp, cries. Someone finds /ooc offensive, cries. Someone doesn't like someone else, cries. Someone doesn't respond to CC, cries. OMG I'm crying now, But to come here and post shit like this just LOL @ you, I'm embarrassed for you. You and all the other whiners need to STFU with your whiny ass rants, no one cares.

Dude, stop crying about posts in R&F.

[sedain121]

Dude, no.

This crybaby attitude carries over to in game.

People coming to the forums and basically TELLING!!!! Ohhhhhh

grow up and keep it to yourself, no one cares.

[mgellan]

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/object/960/99/n2262094092_36392.jpg

[Nedala]

Benjy is in my guild and one of the most helpful people ive ever met.

I was in lguk at this time with 2 other guildies and saw the CC of Swisha, benjy didnt response but his friends did. 5mins later i hear from benjy they wanna claim the camp now because he missed the cc.

[Gorroth]

Camp checks are a courtesy and do not entitle you to anything. Also, next time, scroll up and take a couple of screenshots.

[Hasbinbad]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIsYmKXStSA

[Uaellaen]

LOOOL hasbin, that song is actualy hillarious .. but after 20 seconds i couldnt hear it anymore, it got annoying ><

and to the OP ...

Going forward, if you intend to hold or claim a camp, your group must retain presence at that camp.
If there is a full spawn of mobs in a camp room up I think that would be considered not camped.

so my understanding is that benjy was in the room, and all 3 mobs were down? maaaybe take more time reading the rules next time before you flame a good guy ...

[Omnimorph]

CC's aren't mandatory anyways, i've been mid-answering one CC when someone else comes into the zone and asks another one. Am i to believe if i don't answer these every 10 seconds i lose my camp? of course not.

Answering CC's is a courtesy, one that people who might be afk during respawns or w/e don't have to oblige. Failure to answer a CC is certainly not a legitimate reason to try and take someone else's camp.

[karsten]

i've thought about this quite a bit and decided that i believe and support benjy also

[Uaellaen]

karsteeeennnn

[Yoite]

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

my rant is everytime i log on Yoite to try and farm Lguk for some money everything is camped. NARNIA! im about out of twinking funds!

[Swisher]

The point of me saying this is because there was nobody at the camp when I got there, benjy comes Back and claims the camp is his and killsteals 5 or 6 mobs that we pull. Cc is not a big deal we arrived at the camp, he wasn't there, he comes back and decides it is his camp. M
2 people apologized benjy, others were either logged off Or stayed there and were really upse

[LevinJ]

It's over Swisha. Most of your group came back to ass sup room and was hanging out with me for a while last night after they bailed on you. We had a good time.

[calaxa]

M 2 people apologized benjy, others were either logged off Or stayed there and were really upse

If you were in the right and the camp was indeed yours, why did 2 members of your group apologize to Benjy? It sounds to me like half your group agreed it was Benjy's camp after all.

[Tallenn]

Fact: Two people giving different accounts of what occured. Obviously one must be lying.
Fact: Neither has shown any proof that they are not lying.
Fact: Most people don't give a shit.

What this WILL affect for most people is if, in the future, they have some adverse dealings with one of you, they will automatically assume (probably rightly so) that you were the one lying.

Nobody is going to buy that you were screwed by someone else unless either:

you show proof
that person already has a reputation of being an asshat

[Yellow]

i support Yellow. Yellow for president! Yay~!~~

[harojaro91]

Why only 2 of the 6 apologized? Because they succumbed to you giving them free l00tz and helping them kill shit to gain their favor, who wouldn't like that that Benjy?

[Uaellaen]

Why only 2 of the 6 apologized? Because they succumbed to you giving them free l00tz and helping them kill shit to gain their favor, who wouldn't like that that Benjy?

orrrr 2 of them realized they were wrong, where as the others were stubborn ...

[LevinJ]

Actually, of the 7 involved (one person replaced the member who refused to take part and left initially)... one left initially and sent me an apology... 2 remained mad... and the other 4 all chilled with me in ass sup room and I consider them all friends now. Chatted with two of them again today.. Including ones who got no loot from me.

You gotta understand I am working from an entirely different paradigm than the "take this game seriously" one... It's called I do this to relax, and I take RL seriously. No need for enemies... happy to help people kill stuff and shoot the breeze

[Fawqueue]

It's been brought up that CC's are merely a courtesty and not obligatory to maintain a camp. Another thing that should be brought up deals with someone calling a camp but not being physically present. Even if benjy wasn't there, unless there are re-pops, you can't take over the camp. In the camp rules, regarding maintaining multiple camps, it specifies that as long as you are able and nobody is contesting you can do as many as you'd like (so at any given time, you won't physically be present at all of them). But, if someone comes and wants to take one over, it's YOUR decision which one you'd like to keep. So even in this situation, as long as the room was empty and he wanted it, benjy still holds the camp. Sounds like a misunderstanding, just say "Sorry Benjy, guess I didn't fully understand the situation" and call it a day. Oh and Kinsawt, sorry...I didn't fully understand the situation =P

[yt2005]

Even if Benjy wasn't there, unless there are re-pops, you can't take over the camp.

Whoa, is this true? If a group arrives at a camp with no one there (no mobs, no campers), the camp isn't up for grabs?