watch out for xaine

[shortbuslower]

Watch out for xaine if you group with him. make sure you clarify loot rules. I was dumb enough not make sure loot rules werent clarified in king group. He won 2 fungi tunics in 90 mins. I always assumed unspoken rule is on something like fungi is you only get one. I know better now but just a warning to you all. Thanks for your time from the dumb shaman who now knows better.

[Winni]

sounds like a fgt

[Ashimar]

We should make a King group sometime

[sawin]

he shouldve left after winning the first fungi, right?

[Tiggles]

he shouldve left after winning the first fungi, right?

[Ele]

he shouldve left after winning the first fungi, right?

Why? Just make a corpse to hold the fungis you win.



Should definitely verify king camp rules before you get started with your duo/trio/group.
Whether it be everyone gets one before anyone gets a second or full random each time.

[Quizy]

Why? Just make a corpse to hold the fungis you win.



Should definitely verify king camp rules before you get started with your duo/trio/group.
Whether it be everyone gets one before anyone gets a second or full random each time.

Qft

[Glitch]

Grats Xaine

[Autotune]

Grats Xaine

[Danyelle]

Grats Xaine

[arsenalpow]

Grats Xaine

[elementalking]

Grats Xaine

[Slave]

Grats Xaine

[Tiggles]

Grats Xaine

[azeth]

Grats Xaine

[kingsBlend]

Grats Xaine

[HarrisonStillPosting]

Xaine sounds like a faggot.

[Winni]

sounds like a fgt

[Kingofqueens123]

Grats Xaine

[Versus]

Grats Xaine

[DankNugs]

Grats Xaine

[Smyd]

reading this thread makes me so glad this server exists.
It attracts all the scum of the net and keeps you here... and im not referring to Xaine alone, but including the rest of the numb skull delinquents posting in this thread.

Thanks P99 for doing such a great job of cleaning the net :)

[Flunklesnarkin]

no point getting mad about him getting a second fungi...


Is it a nice thing to do imo.. no


but you should really clearly define loot rules with people you don't know so stuff like this doesn't happen.


although if you did limit it to one fungi per person he probably would have just left either way.. some people like to loot and scoot and not help out the group for a little bit heh.


I'm a fan of selling the stuff and splitting profits with the group myself.. but most people on this server seem to like winner takes all for some reason.

[Danyelle]

reading this thread makes me so glad this server exists.
It attracts all the scum of the net and keeps you here... and im not referring to Xaine alone, but including the rest of the numb skull delinquents posting in this thread.

Thanks P99 for doing such a great job of cleaning the net :)

GRATS XAINE!

[Doublestep]

Ever have one of those days where you're too sick to masturbate? It sux

[Asher]

On the other servers I played on we held loot till someone left group and then randomed to avoid shit like this. Sometimes, if just one person left we would let the person /random 1 6. If they rolled a 1 they got the loot. Or 2 and 3 etc if there were more.

Yes, ninja looting is possible but it is also possible without doing loot like this. Nothing prevents people from looting and /qing

It prevents people from being D-bags and winning two items while others win nothing and also keeps the group together with everyone in the group trying to attain as much loot as possible so they have the best chance to win something at the end.

I have been in guild groups where people insisted on rolling the minute something dropped. Always seemed silly to me.

Asher

[shortbuslower]

i wont deny should of clarified loot rules, just word to the wise make sure clarify to every one else. Never had issues before until that night and I have seen alot of fungi's,hiero cloaks, sbs, rbgs drop. First time had issue with something like that. Like i said though, my fault for not making sure what the loot rules were. Every one but him was on same page about 1 fungi per person so duhno. Not much we could do since rules werent clarified.

[traderbro]

Xaine doing big thangz

[Xiek]

When I took a roll on the tunic that dropped after I won the first one, one which I did not win, no one said anything about not being allowed to get a second tunic. (yes 3 dropped in a row) Only after I rolled and won a second tunic, did it become an issue.

[Asher]

When I took a roll on the tunic that dropped after I won the first one, one which I did not win, no one said anything about not being allowed to get a second tunic. (yes 3 dropped in a row) Only after I rolled and won a second tunic, did it become an issue.

Maybe they thought you were being funny rolling again the second time.

Generally it is assumed that it is one item per person. Anything else is greedy IMO.

You certainly wont be invited back to a group by those people.

Asher

[Flowz]

how can u loot 2 fungi's on anti bullying day

[bman8810]

I wonder if the other person that won one rolled again as well?

[Xiek]

I wonder if the other person that won one rolled again as well?

He did. After he won the first one, he said he'd pass on the next, though he ended up rolling on the next one...dunno what his intentions were. He had 2 guildies in the group so I imagine he wanted to give one to them if he won.

[Autotune]

This is why people duo king. So whinny bitches that cry about 1 loot drop can go xp in some shitty camp.

[Ele]

Maybe they thought you were being funny rolling again the second time.

Generally it is assumed that it is one item per person. Anything else is greedy IMO.

You certainly wont be invited back to a group by those people.

Asher

That is an assumption you made.

[Asher]

That is an assumption you made.

Also one that I believe is a safe assumption.

If some douche bag in the group thinks he is entitled to two loots before another member gets one he has issues.

Asher

[azeth]

To the folks that think it's wrong to go in on both Fungis - My thought is how far does this principle go?

We all understand that you think it's unfair for 1 person to win both. Take this situation for example, you're headed down to an existing King group to replace such-and-such group member. The pre-existing group has been there for 5 hours without a single Fungi. You arrive, get buffed, pull frogs and shrooms and pop the King. He drops a Fungi, and you've been there a whopping 20 minutes.

You cannot tell me that:
1.) You wouldn't roll on it even though the 5 other members have busted balls for 5 hours
2.) You think its FAIR for you to roll.


It basically comes down to the same principle that the devs introduced Veeshan's Peek with. "Go about your business because we don't give a fuck in this zone."

You cannot regulate things with as many factors and uncertainty as Fungi drops/Raid guilds going at each other.

[Asher]

To the folks that think it's wrong to go in on both Fungis - My thought is how far does this principle go?

We all understand that you think it's unfair for 1 person to win both. Take this situation for example, you're headed down to an existing King group to replace such-and-such group member. The pre-existing group has been there for 5 hours without a single Fungi. You arrive, get buffed, pull frogs and shrooms and pop the King. He drops a Fungi, and you've been there a whopping 20 minutes.

You cannot tell me that:
1.) You wouldn't roll on it even though the 5 other members have busted balls for 5 hours
2.) You think its FAIR for you to roll.


It basically comes down to the same principle that the devs introduced Veeshan's Peek with. "Go about your business because we don't give a fuck in this zone."

You cannot regulate things with as many factors and uncertainty as Fungi drops/Raid guilds going at each other.

While I understand your argument I would not call the person greedy that just joined. It is possible without that person the group couldn't have went on or else I am sure they wouldn't have invited him in the first place. He is there, he didn't already win something, no reason he shouldn't be able roll IMO. Another reason I prefer rolling at the end. Make him stick it out the entire camp and then roll when group is over.

Everyone has their own opinion of loot rules. Generally, if you come off greedy to people you will not get invited back. Loot rules should be explained when the group is formed but sometimes even explaining loot comes off as loot whorish.

To each his own.

Asher

[HarrisonStillPosting]

ITT: Greedy cockguffing faggots

[Ele]

Loot rules should be explained when the group is formed but sometimes even explaining loot comes off as loot whorish.

If someone interprets a discussion of how loot is handled in a group as "loot whorish", that person needs to chill. A two-minute discussion up front saves a lot of headache once something actually drops and six different people have six different ideas of what is fair/assumed loot distribution.

Otherwise, the only safe assumption to make is everyone rolls on everything that drops as it drops.

[Asher]

If someone interprets a discussion of how loot is handled in a group as "loot whorish", that person needs to chill. A two-minute discussion up front saves a lot of headache once something actually drops and six different people have six different ideas of what is fair/assumed loot distribution.

Otherwise, the only safe assumption to make is everyone rolls on everything that drops as it drops.

My first point was this:

So I am forming a King group and as the leader of the group I inform everyone that we are going to do the loot such and such a way. They all say "yea, whatever." Someone leaves and another joins and I announce the rules again in group. Again someone leaves and someone joins. Other people in the group are gonna think I am a loot whore and all I care about is loot because I keep bringing it up.

In a perfect world it gets announced each time but to everyone else in the group it sounds bad.

If you think you can safely assume that everyone rolls on everything, even after they won something, you are going to be in for a lot of disappointment. I think you will not find many people that believe that is fair.

Asher

[Szeth]

Now what if we were to bring the real money value of that Fungi into question. How would this situation play out if this dude just jacked you for $50-70 dollars?

[Autotune]

Now what if we were to bring the real money value of that Fungi into question. How would this situation play out if this dude just jacked you for $50-70 dollars?

I'd have just ninja looted it and laughed.

[Flunklesnarkin]

Group with people who share your views on loot


or be prepared to roll on everything.


sell and split stuff usually works out pretty good though imo.. you might not get the "retail" value of an item if you are trying to sell and split fast but everybody gets something that way. (see enough big drops and you can just outright buy whatever it is you want.)


and usually somebody in the group wants to buy the item anyways so they end up with a discount.

It comes down to perception i suppose.. but whats better to you.. one person gets an 80/90K fungi.. or everybody in group gets 20~25k?

[HarrisonStillPosting]

If I was the group leader I would have just told him if he doesn't like the rules he can leave. It's that simple.

It goes both ways. He wants to be a greedy faggot, he can wait for a group full of his type after you leave. Should have took control of the situation and assigned it to someone else.

[azeth]

If I was the group leader I would have just told him if he doesn't like the rules he can leave. It's that simple.

It goes both ways. He wants to be a greedy faggot, he can wait for a group full of his type after you leave. Should have took control of the situation and assigned it to someone else.

pretty sure Xaine could have just taken screenshots of the /random outcomes and used that as proof he won it fair and square.

So what if the group kicks him out, he won 2 fungis

[HarrisonStillPosting]

If the group decided (like he did) on a whim, it's not up to him anymore.

The problem is you caved in to his faggotry and greed, really.

[bman8810]

If the group decided (like he did) on a whim, it's not up to him anymore.

The problem is you caved in to his faggotry and greed, really.

Except you can't announce new rules de facto. This type of situation has been going on for ages and, quite frankly, I'm fairly certain that given the opportunity the rest of the group members would have taken two fungis. The problem is they didn't win them.

[HarrisonStillPosting]

The group can do whatever it wants to. It's a group decision.

If the player decided on a whim he wants to be a douchebag and take two fungis, the group can decide on a whim he can't. Both rules weren't discussed and one doesn't take precedence over the other just because you want it to.

[Danyelle]

This thread is no longer about Xaine and is now about Harrison.




Stop me when I get to the part I'm supposed to be surprised about.


Also Grats Xaine!!!!

[bman8810]

The group can do whatever it wants to. It's a group decision.

If the player decided on a whim he wants to be a douchebag and take two fungis, the group can decide on a whim he can't. Both rules weren't discussed and one doesn't take precedence over the other just because you want it to.

Quite the contrary, without discussing the loot rules anything goes. As such, while you may find Xaine's actions dubious he was within the bounds placed upon him by the group. However, if new rules were laid out after rolls/items were won then that is a de facto rule change and only applies to any items that drop afterwards.

[Joroz]

shit happens, just put him on the go fuck yourself list and avoid him in the future.

[Vostok]

Dick move? yes.

Your own fault for not clarifying rules at start? you betcha.

[Messianic]

I hear God came down from Sinai and laid down PUG rules in stone and Xaine violated them

[Truth]

Dick move? yes.

Your own fault for not clarifying rules at start? you betcha.

grats Xaine ;)

http://images.sodahead.com/profiles/0/0/0/5/9/3/6/0/9/you-betcha-16911498680.jpeg

[HarrisonStillPosting]

Quite the contrary, without discussing the loot rules anything goes. As such, while you may find Xaine's actions dubious he was within the bounds placed upon him by the group. However, if new rules were laid out after rolls/items were won then that is a de facto rule change and only applies to any items that drop afterwards.

Which means if the group decided, at that moment, to not let him get the second one...he wouldn't get it.

The rules weren't decided in either direction until that point where Xaine took it upon himself to be a greedy faggot.

[Asher]

Dick move? yes.

Your own fault for not clarifying rules at start? you betcha.


Yes, it is your job to make sure that all the idiots that consider that fair understand that it is not when the group is formed.

Had it been my group I would have told him to fuck off, booted him and handed to the next highest roller. Unless of course I was in one of these crazy TMO groups where this seems to be acceptable.

You guys do this internally too?

Asher

[Szeth]

Wait wait wait... so the loot rules aren't talked about = I can ninja loot and claim the rules were FFA?

[Ele]

Yes, it is your job to make sure that all the idiots that consider that fair understand that it is not when the group is formed.

Had it been my group I would have told him to fuck off, booted him and handed to the next highest roller. Unless of course I was in one of these crazy TMO groups where this seems to be acceptable.

You guys do this internally too?

Asher

In the first sentence, you say it is your responsibility, as group leader, to make sure the loot distribution rules are known by all ahead of time.

Yet in the second sentence you say you would have booted the guy for 1) not knowing the rules (a.k.a. your own personal loot rules, which you assume everyone should follow), 2) having a different idea about loot distribution, and 3) winning a second item when the rules had not been pre-established.

Who is the loot whore here? It sure doesn't sound like Xaine to me. He was operating within the confines of the group as he understood them to be. Just like you assume everyone knows your rules set, and that seems to be the issue you keep bringing up. Not everyone had the same experiences on live, and every single server had different customs and norms regarding grouping, lists, rolling, NBG, and FFA. To take what you know as normal or fair, from your experiences on live and here, and to impose it on people here, without forewarning them of what you perceive to be the normal loot rules, is a gross miscalculation.

In the above scenario, the group that didn't clarify the rules before hand could have made their case and asked that he return it to the next highest roller, but at the same time not be mad if he didn't return it. From that point forward, the group could have agreed to limit it to one item per person until everyone got something and chalked it up to experience about the need to clarify rules before the need arises to invoke them.


As an aside, TMO guild groups usually see us duel to the death to determine loot. Of course monks/necros/sks usually win the most loot since they train everyone and scoop it up off the still fresh bodies. :)

[Flunklesnarkin]

People over analyzing this lol


In absence of rules most people expect to random everything.


FFA (ninja) looting would most likely fall under the "play nice policy"

[Verenity]

Grats Xaine

Player operating within the confines of a group without a set loot policy.
Nothing else to see here, move along.

[bman8810]

Which means if the group decided, at that moment, to not let him get the second one...he wouldn't get it.

The rules weren't decided in either direction until that point where Xaine took it upon himself to be a greedy faggot.

Quite the display of selective reading there champ. Please go reread my post because I addressed this.

[Asher]

In the first sentence, you say it is your responsibility, as group leader, to make sure the loot distribution rules are known by all ahead of time.

Yet in the second sentence you say you would have booted the guy for 1) not knowing the rules (a.k.a. your own personal loot rules, which you assume everyone should follow), 2) having a different idea about loot distribution, and 3) winning a second item when the rules had not been pre-established.

Who is the loot whore here? It sure doesn't sound like Xaine to me. He was operating within the confines of the group as he understood them to be. Just like you assume everyone knows your rules set, and that seems to be the issue you keep bringing up. Not everyone had the same experiences on live, and every single server had different customs and norms regarding grouping, lists, rolling, NBG, and FFA. To take what you know as normal or fair, from your experiences on live and here, and to impose it on people here, without forewarning them of what you perceive to be the normal loot rules, is a gross miscalculation.

In the above scenario, the group that didn't clarify the rules before hand could have made their case and asked that he return it to the next highest roller, but at the same time not be mad if he didn't return it. From that point forward, the group could have agreed to limit it to one item per person until everyone got something and chalked it up to experience about the need to clarify rules before the need arises to invoke them.


As an aside, TMO guild groups usually see us duel to the death to determine loot. Of course monks/necros/sks usually win the most loot since they train everyone and scoop it up off the still fresh bodies. :)

First Sentence = Facetious if it wasn't already obvious.

Second Sentence = What I would do for him being a greedy retard.

I would think the average person would want fair loot distribution which that is obviously not. If we are to assume a loot distribution it should be a fair.

Hell, I am going to assume the the loot distribution in any group I am in is that I get everything. If it isn't mentioned to be otherwise that is how it should be right?

The group should have decided what was best when that shit came up. If the group thought it was fair then great.

Asher

[Faywind]

Ever have one of those days where you're too sick to masturbate? It sux

Get a girlfriend, masturbation is overrated...