TMO caught exploiting

[Harrison]

Then has the audacity to get lippy with Amelinda when told to fuck off...

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=591230&postcount=4

Just stop and take your slap on the wrist. Stop being terrible at 12 year-old games and crying when you're told to stop cheating.

[Ele]

Harrison playing Monday Morning Quarterback again.

[Silentone]

You must be retarded.
I always gave you the benfit of the doubt
I always bad mouthed people who took personal stabs at you.
But just deep down inside you must have some retardation in your brain that fills your mouth with diarrhea that you just cant hold back and have to spew it out. We were not exploiting, i do not agree witht he way Faz spoke to Amelinda. However with that said i do not disagree with his anger, we fianly find a way to stop being griefed with an exploit and then we get hit with this rather silly rule. I mean VD wasnt even trying to grief us anymore, so i do believe amelinda that she decided this all on her own. What i dont understand is why make it public? are you inviting VD back to grief us? why not just pop in and send us a tell or PM Zeelot saying dont pull to that spot anymore, why make it so public that its going to cause a shitstorm.

[CallnOutTheNubs]

You must be retarded.
I always gave you the benfit of the doubt
I always bad mouthed people who took personal stabs at you.
But just deep down inside you must have some retardation in your brain that fills your mouth with diarrhea that you just cant hold back and have to spew it out. We were not exploiting, i do not agree witht he way Faz spoke to Amelinda. However with that said i do not disagree with his anger, we fianly find a way to stop being griefed with an exploit and then we get hit with this rather silly rule. I mean VD wasnt even trying to grief us anymore, so i do believe amelinda that she decided this all on her own. What i dont understand is why make it public? are you inviting VD back to grief us? why not just pop in and send us a tell or PM Zeelot saying dont pull to that spot anymore, why make it so public that its going to cause a shitstorm.

Maybe we should take a lesson from El
Because
Your post is unintelligible with the improper grammar and lack of punctuation

[KentalCowtipper]

Then it should be perfectly understandable to Harrison and his redneck rampage.

Normal people = hit the clubs on Friday night.
Harrison = has clubs hit him on Friday night (or so he claims).

[Harrison]

Lol yeah, tmo is mad as fuck they got caught and it's public now.

Can't lie that you're legit anymore.

(not that anyone outside of your clusterfuck joke of a guild believed a word of it)

[Alarti0001]

Lol yeah, tmo is mad as fuck they got caught and it's public now.

Can't lie that you're legit anymore.

(not that anyone outside of your clusterfuck joke of a guild believed a word of it)

You have got to be the most retarded person alive, Amelinda has watched us kill at our spot for weeks. It obviously wasn't exploiting they just decided to add a new ruling.

[Harrison]

Pulling through walls is not exploiting. - Alarti 2012

[Alarti0001]

Pulling through walls is not exploiting. - Alarti 2012

Tmo is not raid suspended/banned - therefore not exploiting - project1999 staff

[Harrison]

Tmo is not raid suspended/banned - therefore not exploiting - project1999 staff

A) Mobs aren't adding because when you guys pull them they are pathing through the wall. (At least on the ledge) I sat and watched them the other night to be sure.

1. It's no GM intervention for raid interference/issues. NOT WHEN YOU EXPLOIT etc. (Quit trying to use this as an excuse to be a dick to me kthx)

She flat out said you were exploiting multiple times now.

You can't dodge this one, faggots.

[Silentone]

Maybe we should take a lesson from El
Because
Your post is unintelligible with the improper grammar and lack of punctuation

this isnt eqmac forums i think you're lost. QQ somewhere else

[Jimes]

Then has the audacity to get lippy with Amelinda when told to fuck off...

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=591230&postcount=4

Just stop and take your slap on the wrist. Stop being terrible at 12 year-old games and crying when you're told to stop cheating.

Do you even play on this server you fat fuck? You just chiming in on shit like you have a clue...

[Tiggles]

all i see is normal sized words followed by

really big words then i continue on and i see a
Quote of something someone said earlier on in this thread

followed by more big words refuting what was just said

then some more normal words leading into

Another quote then the post usually ends in someone calling someone

a cheater

[Harrison]

It's a favorite activity of mine on these forums to make fun of guilds and players that cheat in any way.

[Silentone]

I have no problem with you calling out cheaters, point being we didnt cheat. I'd like to sit here and explain to you why we didn't cheat but that would be like trying to teach a monkey algebra.

[Harrison]

So you're calling Amelinda a liar?

She didn't watch you pull mobs through walls up to the ledge?

[Alarti0001]

She flat out said you were exploiting multiple times now.

You can't dodge this one, faggots.

Vp isn't working correctly, nothing we are doing is causing the monster to be any easier we just get to avoid vd exploiters this way.

I'm sure amelinda knows that this is an error in way the zone works so she wants us to move our camp. The difference here is now that she has identified a bug we won't continue to use it like vd continues to use the memblur exploit.


Truth is harrison doesn't care about cheaters or exploiters, he only cares about TMO
I didn't see him get enraged when ib got suspended and had high amounts of seq usage, or when vd was and still is exploiting a bug.

[Tiggles]

So you're calling Amelinda a liar?

She didn't watch you pull mobs through walls up to the ledge?

I want to power level you a monk and get you to join VD so you can come at us bro

[Harrison]

Vp isn't working correctly, nothing we are doing is causing the monster to be any easier we just get to avoid vd exploiters this way.

I'm sure amelinda knows that this is an error in way the zone works so she wants us to move our camp. The difference here is now that she has identified a bug we won't continue to use it like vd continues to use the memblur exploit.


Truth is harrison doesn't care about cheaters or exploiters, he only cares about TMO
I didn't see him get enraged when ib got suspended and had high amounts of seq usage, or when vd was and still is exploiting a bug.

Bullshit. It's 99% of the reason I quit. They didn't ban hundreds of pieces of shit and let faggots like you guys keep playing. I have zero desire to play and/or compete with cheaters while I play legitimately.

You're still trying to dodge. You got caught exploiting and for some reason weren't punished for it (seems to be a trend if entire guilds do things rather than single players)

[Alarti0001]

Bullshit. It's 99% of the reason I quit. They didn't ban hundreds of pieces of shit and let faggots like you guys keep playing. I have zero desire to play and/or compete with cheaters while I play legitimately.

You're still trying to dodge. You got caught exploiting and for some reason weren't punished for it (seems to be a trend if entire guilds do things rather than single players)

You can make up suppositions if you want, however we weren't cheating therefore banned... try to use some logic for once

[Jimes]

Has harrison ever stepped foot in VP? How can he possibly form an opinion on any of this that isn't completely worthless?

[Lulz Sect]

hi fellows thank you for beta testing this zone

-sincerely yours,

red1999

[Tiggles]

hi fellows thank you for beta testing this zone

-sincerely yours,

red1999

This

[Silentone]

hi fellows thank you for beta testing this zone

-sincerely yours,

red1999

hehe..

[Amelinda]

TMO isn't in trouble for exploiting. in fact here are two quotes from a private section of the forums...



Their reasoning for fighting up here is that no one can train them there.....

I don't think they are necessarily seeking to exploit persay, i think they are just looking for a location they are safe from Vesica Dei & Griefers from IB.


Just clearing that tidbit up.

[Harrison]

Ruining my fun Queen Amelinda :(

Still exploiting, regardless of their excuse.

[Zereh]

Ruining my fun Queen Amelinda :(

Still exploiting, regardless of their excuse.

About time someone called you on your bullshit. Thanks, Amelinda.

[Harrison]

She didn't say you weren't exploiting. She said you may not be doing it intentionally. You're still doing it.

[Frieza_Prexus]

It seems to me, exploiting requires both a mens rea and an actus rea. Harrison, do you suggest that if a mob paths through a wall through no intent on the puller's part, that this is an exploit?

If this is the case, then I suspect it is likely that you yourself have experienced such pathing issues through no intent of your own in the course of leveling your characters.

It seems likely then, that you are just as culpable as anyone else here. Do I have this correct? If not, I look forward to your reasoned response.

[Reptak]

It seems to me, exploiting requires both a mens rea and an actus reUS.

Fixed.

[deneauth]

My advise to threads like this is ignore them completely and they die in 3 pages. Just don't post.

[Harrison]

You guys know you were doing it. You hid behind "but we're hiding from the big bad X"

X being whatever excuse you could possibly come up with to look innocent after being watched exploiting for hours by Amelinda.

Then when you were outed publicly, you raged like petulant children, as usual.

[Diggles]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/309734_257362907648125_100001232543584_794330_1282 037533_n.jpg

[Daliant17447]

[QUOTE=Amelinda;591406]Their reasoning for fighting up here is that no one can train them there.....

I don't think they are necessarily seeking to exploit persay, i think they are just looking for a location they are safe from Vesica Dei & Griefers from IB.

QUOTE]

Actually, training is a minor anoyance at best and is easily preventable. Memblur is the only reason TMO fights up there

[Harrison F0rd]

TMO isn't in trouble for exploiting. in fact here are two quotes from a private section of the forums...




Just clearing that tidbit up.

[Enygma]

Harrison still mad as fuck he's the fattest shitty EQ player on P99.... he still hasn't figured out how to pick a race other than troll.

[Harrison]

Lol all you have is a fat joke after being caught in public exploiting (pulling mobs through walls for hours to hide from big bad VD?)

[Alarti0001]

You guys know you were doing it. You hid behind "but we're hiding from the big bad X"

X being whatever excuse you could possibly come up with to look innocent after being watched exploiting for hours by Amelinda.

Then when you were outed publicly, you raged like petulant children, as usual.

We knew amelinda was there she wasn't stealthed and was chatting with us in shouts.... We continued to pull because we didn't think we were exploiting. I'm sure someone has logs.

Moron

[Autotune]

lol harrison derpin it up still i see.

[canker]

finawin, you are so far out of touch and just plain wrong about what's actually going on in the server it's embarrassingly hilarious reading your posts.

[Ele]

If Harrison only knew that when dragons come through walls it makes the encounter harder, than if they followed the pathing nodes.

[Harrison]

The noob hordes rush en masse to defend their exploiting.

Where have I seen this before?

[Alarti0001]

The noob hordes rush en masse to defend their exploiting.

Where have I seen this before?

Some noob tries to weigh in on concepts he doesn't understand. Where have I seen this before.... oh every harrison post.
Amelinda defended us.... are you calling her a liar?(where did i see this before? oh scroll up)

[Harrison]

It's pathetic. You guys can't even man up to your own actions when publicly outed by a GM.

No one is buying the act outside of your circlejerk of inbred drooling zerglings.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Harrison,

Please correct me if am wrong. You seem to be basing your statements off of this post: http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=591406&postcount=26

Yet this post: http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=591709&postcount=4 clarifies the above and clearly says we're not exploiting.

Is there some other GM statement that you consider more authoritative on the matter? I look forward to your reasoned reply.

[Feign]

Who the fuck cares? No competition on server for TMO.

[Alarti0001]

No one is buying the act outside of your circlejerk of inbred drooling zerglings.

Here is an example of a patheric 'tard thinking other people actually agree with him...

[kazroth]

Here is an example of a patheric 'tard thinking other people actually agree with him...

Actually, I agree with him. And I don't care about his past on this server, or yours, or anybody's. It's blatantly obvious from a complete and utter noob's perspective (albeit a drunk one's, so go easy on me :p) - you guys are riding the fucking line, and you know it. I seen a lot of guys riding the line like that in my old profession, flying jets in the Navy - and you know what, those "training accidents" you hear about in the news every once in awhile - they're guys like TMO. You work so hard to make it to the top, you bust your ass, you put in the hours, your learn your jet, you know how far you can take the throttle. Basically, you learn what you can and can't get away with. Here's the rub, it takes one fucking lesson to learn when you've gone too far. Crossing that line in the air leaves you dead, and your wife and kids without a husband and a father.

Yeah, yeah, this is just a fucking game, but humans are humans, and so is our fucking nature. You guys are on top, I get that. You will do anything to maintain peak performance; you're competitors. That's fucking awesome. So am I. But the minute you set aside the rules (we say the rules in aviation were written in the blood of past pilot's mistakes) - that's when you fuck up, you get caught, you go down in a ball of fire.

Look, my advice to TMO, for what it's worth - don't ever sacrifice integrity to stay on top, it's not worth it. Integrity is simply defined as what you would do if no one was looking. I know this shit is the interwebz and all that, and anonymity reigns supreme, but a true man's (or woman's) self is measured by his integrity. The minute you give up on your integrity is the minute you give up on your worth, and in the world of aviation, your life.

Take that for what it is... a drunk man's ramblings.

P.S. Your guild really needs to create a position titled PR rep - your image (if you even care about it, at this point) has been tarnished (from a completely neutral perspective) beyond reproach. They used to tell us in the Navy that we were all ambassador's of our nation every time we stepped foot in another country. And it was true. One fuck up by a guy in uniform was in the news world wide.

[Vostok]

Whats it like to log into a forum on a friday night and troll a guild in a game you don't even play.

[Alarti0001]

Actually, I agree with him. And I don't care about his past on this server, or yours, or anybody's. It's blatantly obvious from a complete and utter noob's perspective (albeit a drunk one's, so go easy on me :p) - you guys are riding the fucking line, and you know it. I seen a lot of guys riding the line like that in my old profession, flying jets in the Navy - and you know what, those "training accidents" you hear about in the news every once in awhile - they're guys like TMO. You work so hard to make it to the top, you bust your ass, you put in the hours, your learn your jet, you know how far you can take the throttle. Basically, you learn what you can and can't get away with. Here's the rub, it takes one fucking lesson to learn when you've gone too far. Crossing that line in the air leaves you dead, and your wife and kids without a husband and a father.

Yeah, yeah, this is just a fucking game, but humans are humans, and so is our fucking nature. You guys are on top, I get that. You will do anything to maintain peak performance; you're competitors. That's fucking awesome. So am I. But the minute you set aside the rules (we say the rules in aviation were written in the blood of past pilot's mistakes) - that's when you fuck up, you get caught, you go down in a ball of fire.

Look, my advice to TMO, for what it's worth - don't ever sacrifice integrity to stay on top, it's not worth it. Integrity is simply defined as what you would do if no one was looking. I know this shit is the interwebz and all that, and anonymity reigns supreme, but a true man's (or woman's) self is measured by his integrity. The minute you give up on your integrity is the minute you give up on your worth, and in the world of aviation, your life.

Take that for what it is... a drunk man's ramblings.

P.S. Your guild really needs to create a position titled PR rep - your image (if you even care about it, at this point) has been tarnished (from a completely neutral perspective) beyond reproach. They used to tell us in the Navy that we were all ambassador's of our nation every time we stepped foot in another country. And it was true. One fuck up by a guy in uniform was in the news world wide.

I was in the Navy too !..... So STFU Shippie!
We don't set aside rules. We were one of the only guilds to boot our cheaters at hackfest 2011. Where we were pulling to was a perfectly legitimate pull spot accessible by grav flux. Pulling to where we were did nothing to exploit or trivialize any encounter in VP and in some cases made them harder.

As it has been proven in the past we won't do everything to stay on top. Cheating isn't fun for us. The only thing we are guilty of is finding a kick ass pull spot that server admins didn't like.

The only reason we even used that spot which is honestly a PITA to get to is to hide from VD's memblur exploit team. A guild who rather grief a raid than bring their own force to VP.

We must be doing something right to tarnish our image so badly that we have record levels up apps with no sign of slowing.

But I am glad Harrison has one supporter some drunk ex flight jock who never got out of his T-45

[Paumad]

The only thing we are guilty of is finding a kick ass pull spot that server admins didn't like.

And as said many times before, it actually is a way shittier spot to fight VP dragons at. Bite us.

P.S: I was not in the navy
P.P.S: I'm french and I only talk gently to Amelinda...

[quido]

Fauss speaks very gently to me as well.

[Nagach]

Can you nerds get a life already ? ;)

rage inc !

[Loly Taa]

If we thought we were exploiting do you really think we'd have posted pictures of us doing so on the front page of our site?

I mean, we only posted six screenshots of where we were fighting at. That's obviously what someone who thought they were exploiting would do... right?

http://i.imgur.com/k51tu.jpg

I found that spot, it was gotten to legitimately- and it could have been gotten to legitimately on live. At no point did I ever think it was an "exploit", but I would say it was pretty fucking clever.

[Jimes]

It's blatantly obvious from a complete and utter noob's perspective (albeit a drunk one's, so go easy on me :p) - you guys are riding the fucking line

And you're basing this on what, a screenshot and the ramblings of a fat forum troll who doesn't even play here? Have you ever been in VP before?

[Paumad]

fauss is a great cyber sex partner
Wait, when did I..How do you..? I don't even...

[kazroth]

I was in the Navy too !..... So STFU Shippie!
We don't set aside rules. We were one of the only guilds to boot our cheaters at hackfest 2011. Where we were pulling to was a perfectly legitimate pull spot accessible by grav flux. Pulling to where we were did nothing to exploit or trivialize any encounter in VP and in some cases made them harder.

As it has been proven in the past we won't do everything to stay on top. Cheating isn't fun for us. The only thing we are guilty of is finding a kick ass pull spot that server admins didn't like.

The only reason we even used that spot which is honestly a PITA to get to is to hide from VD's memblur exploit team. A guild who rather grief a raid than bring their own force to VP.

We must be doing something right to tarnish our image so badly that we have record levels up apps with no sign of slowing.

But I am glad Harrison has one supporter some drunk ex flight jock who never got out of his T-45
Nice post man, you should be TMO's rep on the boards!

I feel like I can take you at your word and your explanation to the problem has me rethinking your stance on the situation.

I kinda wish Amelinda approached you guys about the situation before creating another rule. As you know from the Navy, best way to deal with a SNAFU is to approach it head on first. Perhaps the outcome could have been better for all.

To the guy above this post: No, I have never been there. I played EQ for like two years back in 99, and am just returning, maybe one day... The crux of my post was the fact that I AM a noob, and AM new to the server (i.e. neutral). All I was saying is that from a neutral standpoint, you guys weren't coming across as a professional group of peeps, and that really should be your goal, both on the server and on the forums - at least one hopes.

But Alarti0001 has got me singing a different tune for the moment. Although a little rough around the edges, the T-45 was a sweet jet :P

P.S. What'd you do, man?

[Tiggles]

Who the fuck cares? No competition on server for TMO.

[Paumad]

you guys weren't coming across as a professional group of peeps.


This is RnF, it's not like we're necessarily trying to look good in there. But it's also inevitably the place where the Guild vs Guild issues are brought up. Neutrals usually don't have all the informations required. Don't let the flaming fool you, we can also be chill and rationnal. Rarely on this side of the forums, gotta admit it.

[Bruman]

I'd just like to know what's trivializing the encounter that Amelinda claimed. I'm not even in TMO, and 99% sure I know what pull method they're using, that does indeed make it so they could anything single without any adds, and it has nothing to do with pulling a mob to a funky spot or it pathing through walls. Is it the same method for how you pull King camp in Sebilis?

If fighting up there makes it so...I dunno the AE doesn't go off or something, then I could see that. But otherwise, just curious of what's exactly is being exploited.

Again - I'm not even in TMO. Just not seeing the exploit.

[Paumad]

The AEs do go off, and as you can see in the screens, that corner is a shitty place to dive in and out. It is as you say, pretty close to how king is singled out yes. Nothing gamebreaking is happening other than the dragons taking short trips through walls ( which happens even on regular fight spots).
It's trivializing in the sense that we don't really have to deal with trains or blurbombs from any opposite force up there, I suppose.

[Alarti0001]

Nice post man, you should be TMO's rep on the boards!

I feel like I can take you at your word and your explanation to the problem has me rethinking your stance on the situation.

I kinda wish Amelinda approached you guys about the situation before creating another rule. As you know from the Navy, best way to deal with a SNAFU is to approach it head on first. Perhaps the outcome could have been better for all.

To the guy above this post: No, I have never been there. I played EQ for like two years back in 99, and am just returning, maybe one day... The crux of my post was the fact that I AM a noob, and AM new to the server (i.e. neutral). All I was saying is that from a neutral standpoint, you guys weren't coming across as a professional group of peeps, and that really should be your goal, both on the server and on the forums - at least one hopes.

But Alarti0001 has got me singing a different tune for the moment. Although a little rough around the edges, the T-45 was a sweet jet :P

P.S. What'd you do, man?

Ya the t-45 is pretty nice lol it was kind of hard to use it as an insult :P

I was ET 6 years got out as e-6 and now I work at a NOC for amazon. Nice gig for a salt.

[Lorraine]

You must be retarded. What i dont understand is why make it public? why not just pop in and send us a tell or PM Zeelot saying dont pull to that spot anymore, why make it so public that its going to cause a shitstorm.

I don't mean to rain on your parade, and by all means, please continue; but I would like to refresh your memory just a bit.

Go back (not too far) to a specific Vox incident. It just so happened that a guide appeared at that spot and specifically asked for your guild to disengage Vox and do not bug her out and prevent her from AoEing.

Everything was done in say, and there were witnesses. Members of your guild procedeed to trash talk the guide, while still attempting to kill Vox, all the while admitting that they already knew this is a known bug and its gonna get fixed soon anyway.
This spawned the entire <Start treating guides with respect> threads/debates here, in case you don't remember.

Clever use of in-game mechanics? Trivializing game content?

Or, to quote a cult P99 phrase now, <More lucky than exploit> ?

You'll be the judge of that.

I understand guild loyalty all too well, but you need to be aware that this <No Tolerance> policy that is in effect right now, didn't come out of the blue. I'm sure other(s) played a (big or small) part in it as well, but you can't exactly claim a white clean record here.

[Harrison]

http://i41.tinypic.com/amtd0z.jpg

TMO caught by Amelinda again, tries to deny it ever happened.

[Lorraine]

Or, to quote a cult P99 phrase now, < More lucky than exploit > ?

[Harrison]

Just say, "Thank you for warning us instead of suspending us."

You guys cheat so often this shouldn't even be a suspension anymore.

[CallnOutTheNubs]

Just say, "Thank you for warning us instead of suspending us."

You guys cheat so often this shouldn't even be a suspension anymore.

What it really comes down too is that the gms here are too forgiving for exploiters and cheaters cause there affraid to lose players but really all your doing is making the people who play legit day in and day out leave cause they dont wanna be apart of this exploitin shit.

Holy fuck already please ban and stop warning these faggots amelinda.

They clearly have no fucking respect for you stop being so fucking nice too them and make them go elsewhere to exploit a 12 year old game.

[CallnOutTheNubs]

Kinda wish uthgaard was still around he sure as fuck wouldnt let people talk shit to him like you amelinda.

TMO has no respect for you as you can clearly see the way they talk too you and ignore what you say.

Just ban them and get them off the server already have the gonats to acually do something good for this server and when you see someone or whole guild exploiting dont warn them for the goddanm 100th time BAN them off the fucking server already.

[Paumad]

I hear she likes anonymous trolls too, I'm sure your words of encouragement mean a lot to her. Don't doubt her work, cheaters and exploiters ARE getting banned. It just so appears that we're not the cheaters you're looking for. We're a lot more lucky than exploit tbh.

The harriderp screenshot isn't even related to the spot we're talking about. As you can see we've tried a lot of different ones. The latter had no impact on the fight per say, at all.

Be mad, you degen.

[Harrison]

This is a separate instance of you cheating.

The ledge in the painting room is obviously different. Don't try to dodge it, just accept your fucking public outing AGAIN.

[CallnOutTheNubs]

I hear she likes anonymous trolls too, I'm sure your words of encouragement mean a lot to her. Don't doubt her work, cheaters and exploiters ARE getting banned. It just so appears that we're not the cheaters you're looking for. We're a lot more lucky than exploit tbh.

The harriderp screenshot isn't even related to the spot we're talking about. As you can see we've tried a lot of different ones. The latter had no impact on the fight per say, at all.

Be mad, you degen.

Male cheerleader comes to TMO defence as usually dont act like your so fucking clean and all you faggot

[Paumad]

Oh I accept the public outing allright; the cheating accusations much less. Fight spots have to be experienced when you're constantly having to re-work strategy. I'm not trying to sugar coat it. Competition in VP makes it ever changing. Even you could understand that.
There's a reason we're not using that spot anymore, it was defined a no-no by staff after its first use. So is our new one. Guess what comes next: evolution. That very same thing that turned you into a foaming idiot for lurking these forums too long.

[Paumad]

and by experienced , I meant experimented with.

[Tiggles]

Kinda wish uthgaard was still around he sure as fuck wouldnt let people talk shit to him like you amelinda.

TMO has no respect for you as you can clearly see the way they talk too you and ignore what you say.

Just ban them and get them off the server already have the gonats to acually do something good for this server and when you see someone or whole guild exploiting dont warn them for the goddanm 100th time BAN them off the fucking server already.

If uthgaard was here IB would of been banned months ago and TMO would of been happily farming VP with out fear of memblur because uthgaard would of banned then.

I know because i am uthgaard

[Harrison]

And you'd be banned for exploiting, win/win!

[Autotune]

haha, harrison ur such a fucking idiot.

The exploiting of Hoshkar was a dupe too. Amelinda wouldn't listen to us when we told her that the named dragons function just well and kept spouting the same nonsense you do.

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/s6xZSVz8krg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

This is the Hoshkar she was referring to. As you can see, the failboaters in VD are shown clearly. They cried foul because they couldn't run up and memblur. Also, much like you, they didn't have a clue as to wtf was going on. Thus, when they petitioned, like VD always does (they petition in hopes they get raid guilds suspended to suck up all the targets without competition during the suspension) Amelinda looked at it and passed immediate judgment (something that is becoming quite common). Currently, there isn't anything wrong with petitioning and attempting to get a guild raid suspended. You would be amazed at all the petitions VD puts in against me.

Anyhow, enjoy the video where we (supposedly) exploited Hoshkar in a lava tunnel where he wouldn't attack people and just stood around and had tea with us. That is, afterall, what VD and Amelinda thought.

[Harrison]

Badmouthing Amelinda now because you got caught exploiting? Disgusting.

[Autotune]

none of that was bad mouthing her. Just an actual recount of historical events.

Glad to see you realize you're an idiot on this tho. I can tell by how you word your replies.

Have a great day homie.

[Alarti0001]

Badmouthing Amelinda now because you got caught exploiting? Disgusting.

Helplessly floundering to try to spin a situation based on suppositions? Hilarious

[Harrison]

You guys are lucky you're in some magical immunity from bans. You just keep getting caught and nothing happens.

[Writ3r]

I just love how again they get accused of exploiting not even a month after being raid suspended (regardless of reason they were then let off early)... and after her big long rant of being more stern with guilds and taking her seriously, still yet to see any raid suspensions being handed out for this little gem.

[Lulz Sect]

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1030hbRoO1r5ad6vo2_400.gif

[Crazyeye]

lol @ all these clueless speculations. Just when you thought rule lawyers were gone. Guess they taught u guys something afterall eh

[Frieza_Prexus]

You guys are lucky you're in some magical immunity from bans. You just keep getting caught and nothing happens.

What rules have been broken exactly? Can you please cite them for me? I noticed you posted a screen shot of Amelinda giving us commands. Yet, my post here http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=591737&postcount=46 references more recent statements from Amelinda clarifying that we were, at the time, not in violation of the rules.

The most recent statement from the GMs regarding this, as far as I know, is the final link in my post I cited above. Is there a particular reason you consider her older, now clarified/repudiated statements, to be more authoritative than her most recent statement?

Also, I do not see the relevance in discussing hide pulling. It is, again, under no current form of GM interdiction.

As always Harrison, I look forward to your reasoned reply.

[burkemi5]

inb4
"this kid is mad as fuck"
"mad bad fat"
"lol exploiter, perma ban pls"

[Hackscendence]

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/YwZJgGTsQoM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
History repeats itself.

[Hackscendence]

failed video embed.
This (http://www.youtube.com/embed/YwZJgGTsQoM)

[Diggles]

http://files.g4tv.com/ImageDb3/293968_S/doctor-who-luke-skywalker-hanging-out.jpg

[Enygma]

Lol all you have is a fat joke after being caught in public exploiting (pulling mobs through walls for hours to hide from big bad VD?)

not a joke... true story.

[Jimes]

zomg phinny totally went through the wall. Graphical bugs on mob moving vertically = exploit guise.

[username1337]

Kinda wish uthgaard was still around he sure as fuck wouldnt let people talk shit to him like you amelinda.

TMO has no respect for you as you can clearly see the way they talk too you and ignore what you say.

Just ban them and get them off the server already have the gonats to acually do something good for this server and when you see someone or whole guild exploiting dont warn them for the goddanm 100th time BAN them off the fucking server already.

TMO Has To Go

[Tiggles]

TMO Has To Go

[Scavrefamn]

TMO isn't in trouble for exploiting. in fact here are two quotes from a private section of the forums...




Just clearing that tidbit up.

Wow... you can exploit on this server and not get punished?
O_o

That seems a little backwards...

[Jimes]

Wow... you can exploit on this server and not get punished?
O_o

That seems a little backwards...

But she...just...said...that they weren't...

[Loly Taa]

But she...just...said...that they weren't...

Reading comprehension has never been a particularly prevalent skill when it comes to RnF trolls.

I think it goes back to when they were children and if they screamed loud enough, for long enough, their parents would give them whatever they wanted.

That obviously won't happen here though.

[Scavrefamn]

But she...just...said...that they weren't...

Pulling through walls isn't exploiting...?

She never said they weren't, she said(if you read what she said) that they weren't in trouble.

[Alarti0001]

Pulling through walls isn't exploiting...?

She never said they weren't, she said(if you read what she said) that they weren't in trouble.

She said we weren't in trouble for exploiting. Implying we weren't exploiting.
However, I suggest you put in a petition to ask her direct opinion.

[Ele]

ITT: People who never fought in Veeshan's Peak on live or here.

[Jimes]

Pulling through walls isn't exploiting...?

She never said they weren't, she said(if you read what she said) that they weren't in trouble.

Good god you people are fucking dense.

[Loly Taa]

I'm not sure if you missed the post I made earlier about the mechanics of mob pathing, but incase you did- here it is again;

Harrison, I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what constitutes a "pathing exploit"

A pathing exploit isn't shit going through walls. In fact, this behavior is intentional. Things path through walls as a last ditch attempt to path to a player if the node-based pathway is too long or not easily accessible.

A "pathing exploit" is when you take advantage of the game's pathing to avoid this behaviour, and thusly prevent the mob from getting to you or attacking you.

A good example of this would be the pathing in Trakanon's lair, running over the water to delay the juggs because there are no pathing nodes in the water or on the opposite ledges, this unfairly delays the juggs from reaching the player in a reasonable amount of time. This is a pathing exploit.


I don't expect you to see reason in this, because you're not a reasonable person. The fact stands if we were doing something wrong, we would've been punished for it. Not only is there nothing wrong with what we were doing at that ledge, but no other guild in the assumed history of EQ ever had to use that spot (No one really ever the same reasons we did. Memblur didn't Complete Heal mobs on live.) So it was a brand new situation, now that we have been informed that the server admins do not appreciate us using that spot, we'll gleefully comply with their request.

The "spot" was not used because it made mobs path through walls, it was used so rez-box training would be in-effective as you need a very specific class or two to be able to get up to where we were. Even if you had them, it was difficult to do on the fly.

In case anyone in this thread is hazy on the details of what has been going on in Veeshan's Peak lately, let me inform you.


-Because the encounter logs were at one point (or may still be) cleared by a memory blur, extra code was added to the perl scripts of the raid NPCs.

This code essentially stated, if the aggro list is empty, heal the mob to 100% hitpoints. Not, wait a tick and heal the mob, not regen at 50% hp a tick. This was a full-out, 100%, INSTANT complete heal when a memblur successfully landed. This was only for raid level npcs, and is why most players have never noticed it.

Why they did it like that? I can only speculate. Perhaps the encounter logs were only designed to be saved when the mob was actually slain because otherwise you would get tons of encounter logs for non-kills. If you only save when the mob is actually killed, then you only need that log to see which guild had first to engage, and of course- which guild was owed the loot.


The first "exploiting" started when Vesica Dei decided to use this against us in Veeshan's Peak. Memory blur on live never caused a mob to heal to 100%, in fact, because of the spellfiles here- Vox doesn't even complete heal to 100%. Vox can only cast the cleric version of complete heal which is 7500 hp instead of the 32khp it should be right now. On live, when Vox CH'd, it was a MUCH bigger deal than it was here.

but we're straying away from the main point- Which is that memory blurs or empty aggro lists never made mobs regen to 100%hp instantly, or even in a single tick. Yes, uber mobs have uber regen, but it is not 100% hp in one tick. This is supported by so much evidence it's not even worth arguing.


So the only reason TMO was using that ledge was because we could not keep Vesica Dei's self-proclaimed "Occupy VP" team of 3-8 people from griefing 30-50 other players out of a deserved kill. With, guess what? An exploit, a side effect of this server's encounter log code that made it terribly easy for anyone with a memory blur spell (clerics, enchanters) or anyone who hung out in Old Sebilis at the shrooms, because they guess what? Drop an item that allows any class to memory blur a mob. Coldblooded even made it a point for her guild to farm these so they could be used to harass us with this completely unintended game mechanic.

Am I trying to say exploiting is ok? Fuck no, I found that spot in VP, we got to it with normal means, normal spells. The intent of using that spot was simply to prevent them from being able to constantly resurrection box enchanters into the zone so easily to Complete Heal the mobs we were fighting with an obviously bugged game mechanic. You wanna call anyone exploiters? It's Vesica Dei.

For us, shit going through walls is a pain in the ass, we don't like it, we'd prefer it came normally but even in normal pull locations you still have dragons warp behind you and AE your entire raid for no reason. We do not want this, we want all pulls to follow pathing, and the only reason TMO went to that ledge was because we were being literally terrorized by Vesica Dei with a known game exploit.

This exploit is currently fixed pending patch.

and fighting an exploit with an exploit? Hell no, it was nothing like that. Plenty of the dragons path normally onto the ledge, it simply depends on where in the zone they are located. They have always AE'd, we have fraps to prove it- they have always been able to hit our players when they are next to them, and as some people have pointed out in the past. We can simply dogwalk mobs to the ledge and make them come up without pathing through the walls. It never seemed like a problem to us because with our pull strategy. (Which is entirely legitimate) - We never get adds anyways.

The reason we weren't punished? Because it wasn't wrong until they told us not to do it, not because it was an exploit- because they simply did not believe it was the way they wanted VP to be used on their server- and when they did we complied.

As the server does belong to nilbog and Rogean, if they decide something we do isn't to their liking we have no problem stopping that activity, but we can't be punished because we found a novel way to prevent another guild from using a known exploit against us.

and shit? If you ask me, had people on live been under the pressure TMO was in- they probably would've found the same spot.

All of that aside, it's already been stated by the staff; TMO was not exploiting, they are just not allowed to use that spot as it's probably not something the developers on live ever anticipated and they don't know how to deal with it here. That's cool, I understand- The Mystical Order understands, we just hope you can patch that memblur fix in as soon as you can.

[Tiggles]

I'm not sure if you missed the post I made earlier about the mechanics of mob pathing, but incase you did- here it is again;



The "spot" was not used because it made mobs path through walls, it was used so rez-box training would be in-effective as you need a very specific class or two to be able to get up to where we were. Even if you had them, it was difficult to do on the fly.

In case anyone in this thread is hazy on the details of what has been going on in Veeshan's Peak lately, let me inform you.


-Because the encounter logs were at one point (or may still be) cleared by a memory blur, extra code was added to the perl scripts of the raid NPCs.

This code essentially stated, if the aggro list is empty, heal the mob to 100% hitpoints. Not, wait a tick and heal the mob, not regen at 50% hp a tick. This was a full-out, 100%, INSTANT complete heal when a memblur successfully landed. This was only for raid level npcs, and is why most players have never noticed it.

Why they did it like that? I can only speculate. Perhaps the encounter logs were only designed to be saved when the mob was actually slain because otherwise you would get tons of encounter logs for non-kills. If you only save when the mob is actually killed, then you only need that log to see which guild had first to engage, and of course- which guild was owed the loot.


The first "exploiting" started when Vesica Dei decided to use this against us in Veeshan's Peak. Memory blur on live never caused a mob to heal to 100%, in fact, because of the spellfiles here- Vox doesn't even complete heal to 100%. Vox can only cast the cleric version of complete heal which is 7500 hp instead of the 32khp it should be right now. On live, when Vox CH'd, it was a MUCH bigger deal than it was here.

but we're straying away from the main point- Which is that memory blurs or empty aggro lists never made mobs regen to 100%hp instantly, or even in a single tick. Yes, uber mobs have uber regen, but it is not 100% hp in one tick. This is supported by so much evidence it's not even worth arguing.


So the only reason TMO was using that ledge was because we could not keep Vesica Dei's self-proclaimed "Occupy VP" team of 3-8 people from griefing 30-50 other players out of a deserved kill. With, guess what? An exploit, a side effect of this server's encounter log code that made it terribly easy for anyone with a memory blur spell (clerics, enchanters) or anyone who hung out in Old Sebilis at the shrooms, because they guess what? Drop an item that allows any class to memory blur a mob. Coldblooded even made it a point for her guild to farm these so they could be used to harass us with this completely unintended game mechanic.

Am I trying to say exploiting is ok? Fuck no, I found that spot in VP, we got to it with normal means, normal spells. The intent of using that spot was simply to prevent them from being able to constantly resurrection box enchanters into the zone so easily to Complete Heal the mobs we were fighting with an obviously bugged game mechanic. You wanna call anyone exploiters? It's Vesica Dei.

For us, shit going through walls is a pain in the ass, we don't like it, we'd prefer it came normally but even in normal pull locations you still have dragons warp behind you and AE your entire raid for no reason. We do not want this, we want all pulls to follow pathing, and the only reason TMO went to that ledge was because we were being literally terrorized by Vesica Dei with a known game exploit.

This exploit is currently fixed pending patch.

and fighting an exploit with an exploit? Hell no, it was nothing like that. Plenty of the dragons path normally onto the ledge, it simply depends on where in the zone they are located. They have always AE'd, we have fraps to prove it- they have always been able to hit our players when they are next to them, and as some people have pointed out in the past. We can simply dogwalk mobs to the ledge and make them come up without pathing through the walls. It never seemed like a problem to us because with our pull strategy. (Which is entirely legitimate) - We never get adds anyways.

The reason we weren't punished? Because it wasn't wrong until they told us not to do it, not because it was an exploit- because they simply did not believe it was the way they wanted VP to be used on their server- and when they did we complied.

As the server does belong to nilbog and Rogean, if they decide something we do isn't to their liking we have no problem stopping that activity, but we can't be punished because we found a novel way to prevent another guild from using a known exploit against us.

and shit? If you ask me, had people on live been under the pressure TMO was in- they probably would've found the same spot.

All of that aside, it's already been stated by
the staff; TMO was not exploiting, they are just not allowed to use that spot as it's probably not something the developers on live ever anticipated and they don't know how to deal with it here. That's cool, I understand- The Mystical Order understands, we just hope you can that memblur fix in as soon as you can.

/thread

[Scavrefamn]

I'm not sure if you missed the post I made earlier about the mechanics of mob pathing, but incase you did- here it is again;



The "spot" was not used because it made mobs path through walls, it was used so rez-box training would be in-effective as you need a very specific class or two to be able to get up to where we were. Even if you had them, it was difficult to do on the fly.

In case anyone in this thread is hazy on the details of what has been going on in Veeshan's Peak lately, let me inform you.


-Because the encounter logs were at one point (or may still be) cleared by a memory blur, extra code was added to the perl scripts of the raid NPCs.

This code essentially stated, if the aggro list is empty, heal the mob to 100% hitpoints. Not, wait a tick and heal the mob, not regen at 50% hp a tick. This was a full-out, 100%, INSTANT complete heal when a memblur successfully landed. This was only for raid level npcs, and is why most players have never noticed it.

Why they did it like that? I can only speculate. Perhaps the encounter logs were only designed to be saved when the mob was actually slain because otherwise you would get tons of encounter logs for non-kills. If you only save when the mob is actually killed, then you only need that log to see which guild had first to engage, and of course- which guild was owed the loot.


The first "exploiting" started when Vesica Dei decided to use this against us in Veeshan's Peak. Memory blur on live never caused a mob to heal to 100%, in fact, because of the spellfiles here- Vox doesn't even complete heal to 100%. Vox can only cast the cleric version of complete heal which is 7500 hp instead of the 32khp it should be right now. On live, when Vox CH'd, it was a MUCH bigger deal than it was here.

but we're straying away from the main point- Which is that memory blurs or empty aggro lists never made mobs regen to 100%hp instantly, or even in a single tick. Yes, uber mobs have uber regen, but it is not 100% hp in one tick. This is supported by so much evidence it's not even worth arguing.


So the only reason TMO was using that ledge was because we could not keep Vesica Dei's self-proclaimed "Occupy VP" team of 3-8 people from griefing 30-50 other players out of a deserved kill. With, guess what? An exploit, a side effect of this server's encounter log code that made it terribly easy for anyone with a memory blur spell (clerics, enchanters) or anyone who hung out in Old Sebilis at the shrooms, because they guess what? Drop an item that allows any class to memory blur a mob. Coldblooded even made it a point for her guild to farm these so they could be used to harass us with this completely unintended game mechanic.

Am I trying to say exploiting is ok? Fuck no, I found that spot in VP, we got to it with normal means, normal spells. The intent of using that spot was simply to prevent them from being able to constantly resurrection box enchanters into the zone so easily to Complete Heal the mobs we were fighting with an obviously bugged game mechanic. You wanna call anyone exploiters? It's Vesica Dei.

For us, shit going through walls is a pain in the ass, we don't like it, we'd prefer it came normally but even in normal pull locations you still have dragons warp behind you and AE your entire raid for no reason. We do not want this, we want all pulls to follow pathing, and the only reason TMO went to that ledge was because we were being literally terrorized by Vesica Dei with a known game exploit.

This exploit is currently fixed pending patch.

and fighting an exploit with an exploit? Hell no, it was nothing like that. Plenty of the dragons path normally onto the ledge, it simply depends on where in the zone they are located. They have always AE'd, we have fraps to prove it- they have always been able to hit our players when they are next to them, and as some people have pointed out in the past. We can simply dogwalk mobs to the ledge and make them come up without pathing through the walls. It never seemed like a problem to us because with our pull strategy. (Which is entirely legitimate) - We never get adds anyways.

The reason we weren't punished? Because it wasn't wrong until they told us not to do it, not because it was an exploit- because they simply did not believe it was the way they wanted VP to be used on their server- and when they did we complied.

As the server does belong to nilbog and Rogean, if they decide something we do isn't to their liking we have no problem stopping that activity, but we can't be punished because we found a novel way to prevent another guild from using a known exploit against us.

and shit? If you ask me, had people on live been under the pressure TMO was in- they probably would've found the same spot.

All of that aside, it's already been stated by the staff; TMO was not exploiting, they are just not allowed to use that spot as it's probably not something the developers on live ever anticipated and they don't know how to deal with it here. That's cool, I understand- The Mystical Order understands, we just hope you can patch that memblur fix in as soon as you can.

After reading this carefully, I have come to the conclusion that the griefers should be banned.

And so should you for exploiting glitches.

/shrug
I am not an administrator, nor do I have any power, I just think that there should be zero tolerance for guilds who abuse glitches in the game like you did and they are doing.

[Loly Taa]

After reading this carefully, I have come to the conclusion that the griefers should be banned.

And so should you for exploiting glitches.

/shrug
I am not an administrator, nor do I have any power, I just think that there should be zero tolerance for guilds who abuse glitches in the game like you did and they are doing.

At the expense of being trolled, I must ask you good sir. Did you really read any of that? No game mechanics were exploited. Except for Vesica Dei- if that is who your vitriol is directed at then please disregard this message. (And perhaps direct your hate in the proper direction.)

[username1337]

I'm not sure if you missed the post I made earlier about the mechanics of mob pathing, but incase you did- here it is again;



The "spot" was not used because it made mobs path through walls, it was used so rez-box training would be in-effective as you need a very specific class or two to be able to get up to where we were. Even if you had them, it was difficult to do on the fly.

In case anyone in this thread is hazy on the details of what has been going on in Veeshan's Peak lately, let me inform you.


-Because the encounter logs were at one point (or may still be) cleared by a memory blur, extra code was added to the perl scripts of the raid NPCs.

This code essentially stated, if the aggro list is empty, heal the mob to 100% hitpoints. Not, wait a tick and heal the mob, not regen at 50% hp a tick. This was a full-out, 100%, INSTANT complete heal when a memblur successfully landed. This was only for raid level npcs, and is why most players have never noticed it.

Why they did it like that? I can only speculate. Perhaps the encounter logs were only designed to be saved when the mob was actually slain because otherwise you would get tons of encounter logs for non-kills. If you only save when the mob is actually killed, then you only need that log to see which guild had first to engage, and of course- which guild was owed the loot.


The first "exploiting" started when Vesica Dei decided to use this against us in Veeshan's Peak. Memory blur on live never caused a mob to heal to 100%, in fact, because of the spellfiles here- Vox doesn't even complete heal to 100%. Vox can only cast the cleric version of complete heal which is 7500 hp instead of the 32khp it should be right now. On live, when Vox CH'd, it was a MUCH bigger deal than it was here.

but we're straying away from the main point- Which is that memory blurs or empty aggro lists never made mobs regen to 100%hp instantly, or even in a single tick. Yes, uber mobs have uber regen, but it is not 100% hp in one tick. This is supported by so much evidence it's not even worth arguing.


So the only reason TMO was using that ledge was because we could not keep Vesica Dei's self-proclaimed "Occupy VP" team of 3-8 people from griefing 30-50 other players out of a deserved kill. With, guess what? An exploit, a side effect of this server's encounter log code that made it terribly easy for anyone with a memory blur spell (clerics, enchanters) or anyone who hung out in Old Sebilis at the shrooms, because they guess what? Drop an item that allows any class to memory blur a mob. Coldblooded even made it a point for her guild to farm these so they could be used to harass us with this completely unintended game mechanic.

Am I trying to say exploiting is ok? Fuck no, I found that spot in VP, we got to it with normal means, normal spells. The intent of using that spot was simply to prevent them from being able to constantly resurrection box enchanters into the zone so easily to Complete Heal the mobs we were fighting with an obviously bugged game mechanic. You wanna call anyone exploiters? It's Vesica Dei.

For us, shit going through walls is a pain in the ass, we don't like it, we'd prefer it came normally but even in normal pull locations you still have dragons warp behind you and AE your entire raid for no reason. We do not want this, we want all pulls to follow pathing, and the only reason TMO went to that ledge was because we were being literally terrorized by Vesica Dei with a known game exploit.

This exploit is currently fixed pending patch.

and fighting an exploit with an exploit? Hell no, it was nothing like that. Plenty of the dragons path normally onto the ledge, it simply depends on where in the zone they are located. They have always AE'd, we have fraps to prove it- they have always been able to hit our players when they are next to them, and as some people have pointed out in the past. We can simply dogwalk mobs to the ledge and make them come up without pathing through the walls. It never seemed like a problem to us because with our pull strategy. (Which is entirely legitimate) - We never get adds anyways.

The reason we weren't punished? Because it wasn't wrong until they told us not to do it, not because it was an exploit- because they simply did not believe it was the way they wanted VP to be used on their server- and when they did we complied.

As the server does belong to nilbog and Rogean, if they decide something we do isn't to their liking we have no problem stopping that activity, but we can't be punished because we found a novel way to prevent another guild from using a known exploit against us.

and shit? If you ask me, had people on live been under the pressure TMO was in- they probably would've found the same spot.

All of that aside, it's already been stated by the staff; TMO was not exploiting, they are just not allowed to use that spot as it's probably not something the developers on live ever anticipated and they don't know how to deal with it here. That's cool, I understand- The Mystical Order understands, we just hope you can patch that memblur fix in as soon as you can.

the only reason TMO went to that ledge was because we were being literally terrorized by Vesica Dei

No sympathy for TMO - most of them are rude asshats that deserve any grief that comes their way.

[Alarti0001]

the only reason TMO went to that ledge was because we were being literally terrorized by Vesica Dei

No sympathy for TMO - most of them are rude asshats that deserve any grief that comes their way.

When logic fails you......use BOLD!

[tradereq]

I'm not sure if you missed the post I made earlier about the mechanics of mob pathing, but incase you did- here it is again;



The "spot" was not used because it made mobs path through walls, it was used so rez-box training would be in-effective as you need a very specific class or two to be able to get up to where we were. Even if you had them, it was difficult to do on the fly.

In case anyone in this thread is hazy on the details of what has been going on in Veeshan's Peak lately, let me inform you.


-Because the encounter logs were at one point (or may still be) cleared by a memory blur, extra code was added to the perl scripts of the raid NPCs.

This code essentially stated, if the aggro list is empty, heal the mob to 100% hitpoints. Not, wait a tick and heal the mob, not regen at 50% hp a tick. This was a full-out, 100%, INSTANT complete heal when a memblur successfully landed. This was only for raid level npcs, and is why most players have never noticed it.

Why they did it like that? I can only speculate. Perhaps the encounter logs were only designed to be saved when the mob was actually slain because otherwise you would get tons of encounter logs for non-kills. If you only save when the mob is actually killed, then you only need that log to see which guild had first to engage, and of course- which guild was owed the loot.


The first "exploiting" started when Vesica Dei decided to use this against us in Veeshan's Peak. Memory blur on live never caused a mob to heal to 100%, in fact, because of the spellfiles here- Vox doesn't even complete heal to 100%. Vox can only cast the cleric version of complete heal which is 7500 hp instead of the 32khp it should be right now. On live, when Vox CH'd, it was a MUCH bigger deal than it was here.

but we're straying away from the main point- Which is that memory blurs or empty aggro lists never made mobs regen to 100%hp instantly, or even in a single tick. Yes, uber mobs have uber regen, but it is not 100% hp in one tick. This is supported by so much evidence it's not even worth arguing.


So the only reason TMO was using that ledge was because we could not keep Vesica Dei's self-proclaimed "Occupy VP" team of 3-8 people from griefing 30-50 other players out of a deserved kill. With, guess what? An exploit, a side effect of this server's encounter log code that made it terribly easy for anyone with a memory blur spell (clerics, enchanters) or anyone who hung out in Old Sebilis at the shrooms, because they guess what? Drop an item that allows any class to memory blur a mob. Coldblooded even made it a point for her guild to farm these so they could be used to harass us with this completely unintended game mechanic.

Am I trying to say exploiting is ok? Fuck no, I found that spot in VP, we got to it with normal means, normal spells. The intent of using that spot was simply to prevent them from being able to constantly resurrection box enchanters into the zone so easily to Complete Heal the mobs we were fighting with an obviously bugged game mechanic. You wanna call anyone exploiters? It's Vesica Dei.

For us, shit going through walls is a pain in the ass, we don't like it, we'd prefer it came normally but even in normal pull locations you still have dragons warp behind you and AE your entire raid for no reason. We do not want this, we want all pulls to follow pathing, and the only reason TMO went to that ledge was because we were being literally terrorized by Vesica Dei with a known game exploit.

This exploit is currently fixed pending patch.

and fighting an exploit with an exploit? Hell no, it was nothing like that. Plenty of the dragons path normally onto the ledge, it simply depends on where in the zone they are located. They have always AE'd, we have fraps to prove it- they have always been able to hit our players when they are next to them, and as some people have pointed out in the past. We can simply dogwalk mobs to the ledge and make them come up without pathing through the walls. It never seemed like a problem to us because with our pull strategy. (Which is entirely legitimate) - We never get adds anyways.

The reason we weren't punished? Because it wasn't wrong until they told us not to do it, not because it was an exploit- because they simply did not believe it was the way they wanted VP to be used on their server- and when they did we complied.

As the server does belong to nilbog and Rogean, if they decide something we do isn't to their liking we have no problem stopping that activity, but we can't be punished because we found a novel way to prevent another guild from using a known exploit against us.

and shit? If you ask me, had people on live been under the pressure TMO was in- they probably would've found the same spot.

All of that aside, it's already been stated by the staff; TMO was not exploiting, they are just not allowed to use that spot as it's probably not something the developers on live ever anticipated and they don't know how to deal with it here. That's cool, I understand- The Mystical Order understands, we just hope you can patch that memblur fix in as soon as you can.
http://i.imgur.com/jIqHE.gif

[Alarti0001]

http://i.imgur.com/jIqHE.gif

Can't read

[Treats]

The first "exploiting" started when Vesica Dei decided to use this against us in Veeshan's Peak. Memory blur on live never caused a mob to heal to 100%, in fact, because of the spellfiles here- Vox doesn't even complete heal to 100%. Vox can only cast the cleric version of complete heal which is 7500 hp instead of the 32khp it should be right now. On live, when Vox CH'd, it was a MUCH bigger deal than it was here.

Your own guild was the first to use Memory Blur but it wasn't with the intent to CH Talendor. It was to reset the fucking encounter log. Blurring Dragons to full health is bullshit even in VP but at the same time you brought that shitstorm on yourselves.


For us, shit going through walls is a pain in the ass, we don't like it, we'd prefer it came normally but even in normal pull locations you still have dragons warp behind you and AE your entire raid for no reason. We do not want this, we want all pulls to follow pathing, and the only reason TMO went to that ledge was because we were being literally terrorized by Vesica Dei with a known game exploit.

This exploit is currently fixed pending patch.

and fighting an exploit with an exploit? Hell no, it was nothing like that. Plenty of the dragons path normally onto the ledge, it simply depends on where in the zone they are located. They have always AE'd, we have fraps to prove it- they have always been able to hit our players when they are next to them, and as some people have pointed out in the past. We can simply dogwalk mobs to the ledge and make them come up without pathing through the walls. It never seemed like a problem to us because with our pull strategy. (Which is entirely legitimate) - We never get adds anyways.

The reason we weren't punished? Because it wasn't wrong until they told us not to do it, not because it was an exploit- because they simply did not believe it was the way they wanted VP to be used on their server- and when they did we complied.


Your pull strategy is entirely legitimate?

Are you fucking kidding me?

Pulling a Dragon through a shit ton of other wurms and not having them assist just because you've got hide or invis up? The only way this was ever possible on live was if there were separate factions involved. All mobs in VP should be on Ring of Scale and therefore should all be assisting.

To say this isn't an abuse of the way things work on this server is stupid. I'm sure Nilbog thinks its completely legitimate that you are able to pull a Dragon anywhere you want in Veeshan's Peak just because there aren't any see invis mobs in the way and you've got hide/invis. Give me a fucking break.

Look at these videos from Triton:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4862392845512389709

Here they are doing Hoshkar and fighting him in his lair.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4994722420355221407

Fighting Phara Dar against the back wall outside of the double doors. They even have a wurm back there too but I suppose thats just for shits and giggles. Do you honestly think they were too stupid to figure out that it was possible to PULL THE DRAGONS ANYWHERE IN THE FUCKING ZONE if that was even remotely possible????????? This is probably two or three months after Velious was released too so they had plenty of time to figure out what they could and couldn't do.

Doesn't matter what guild is on top, same thing happens every time. Everyone abuses stuff and never posts the bugs on the forum until one of three things happens:

1) You get told to stop by a Guide/GM

2) Another guild uses the same tactic/exploit on you

3) Someone else posts the bug on the forum

[Jimes]

Pulling a Dragon through a shit ton of other wurms and not having them assist just because you've got hide or invis up? The only way this was ever possible on live was if there were separate factions involved.

lol. do any of you people actually play this game?

[Quizy]

Trolls keep on trolling...

bro's keep on lootin.

keep hatin bitches because the rich get richer and the pussies liek harrison just get madder.

steady being a virgin! grats dude!

[Danyelle]

the only reason TMO went to that ledge was because we were being literally terrorized by Vesica Dei

No sympathy for TMO - most of them are rude asshats that deserve any grief that comes their way.

I can literally see you grasp at a straw just now.

[Loly Taa]

I can literally see you grasp at a straw just now.

Your brony icon is sooooo cute, but it doesn't re-inforce your point anymore.

[Fazlazen]

Your own guild was the first to use Memory Blur but it wasn't with the intent to CH Talendor. It was to reset the fucking encounter log. Blurring Dragons to full health is bullshit even in VP but at the same time you brought that shitstorm on yourselves.



Your pull strategy is entirely legitimate?

Are you fucking kidding me?

Pulling a Dragon through a shit ton of other wurms and not having them assist just because you've got hide or invis up? The only way this was ever possible on live was if there were separate factions involved. All mobs in VP should be on Ring of Scale and therefore should all be assisting.

To say this isn't an abuse of the way things work on this server is stupid. I'm sure Nilbog thinks its completely legitimate that you are able to pull a Dragon anywhere you want in Veeshan's Peak just because there aren't any see invis mobs in the way and you've got hide/invis. Give me a fucking break.

Look at these videos from Triton:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4862392845512389709

Here they are doing Hoshkar and fighting him in his lair.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4994722420355221407

Fighting Phara Dar against the back wall outside of the double doors. They even have a wurm back there too but I suppose thats just for shits and giggles. Do you honestly think they were too stupid to figure out that it was possible to PULL THE DRAGONS ANYWHERE IN THE FUCKING ZONE if that was even remotely possible????????? This is probably two or three months after Velious was released too so they had plenty of time to figure out what they could and couldn't do.

Doesn't matter what guild is on top, same thing happens every time. Everyone abuses stuff and never posts the bugs on the forum until one of three things happens:

1) You get told to stop by a Guide/GM

2) Another guild uses the same tactic/exploit on you

3) Someone else posts the bug on the forum

FoH pulled every dragon at the zone in, so did Almageste and many others. The fact that Triton didn't doesn't mean it wasn't done, just that perhaps they weren't as advanced in terms of pulling mechanics (still a great guild btw) Between that spot on your fraps and Phara Dar spawn point, there is about 15 dragons, so my guess is that they still knew how to not get any add. That add is probably the roamer and they didn't care about it because they as you said it yourself were in velious era and probably owning the zone. It's Triton after all.

One thing that is wrong about the zone: Nothing sees through hide, except for the actual dragons. This isn't how it should be and it was bug reported again by a member of TMO (Nizzarr).

That CoS pulling and the fact that a mob that can't see you can't aggro you is 100 % classic, I remember on live playing a monk and being completely pissed off at some of the stuff my friend Sollador the Reaver could pull off. I believe it got changed somewhere post-luclin, but I stopped playing in PoP, so I wouldn't know about that.

[Fazlazen]

and by 15 dragons, I meant wurms, and I probably exagerate the number x2 ;)

[CallnOutTheNubs]

I probably exagerate the number x2

That must be the common thing with you till the girl acually sees it and laughs
you fucking tiny dick french pussy

[Ikonoclastia]

One thing that is wrong about the zone: Nothing sees through hide, except for the actual dragons. This isn't how it should be and it was bug reported again by a member of TMO (Nizzarr).
^^
If that bug is allowing single pulling through trash mobs then that would be exploiting a bug (regardless of whether its been bug reported, and even moreso if it has).

[Chanur]

Has harrison ever stepped foot in V P? How can he possibly form an opinion on any of this that isn't completely worthless?

Probably 10 years ago when VP was last relevant.

[Fazlazen]

^^
If that bug is allowing single pulling through trash mobs then that would be exploiting a bug (regardless of whether its been bug reported, and even moreso if it has).

Remember when snare and root stacked ? I abused the hell out of that bug too, ban me.

[Alarti0001]

That CoS pulling and the fact that a mob that can't see you can't aggro you is 100 % classic, I remember on live playing a monk and being completely pissed off at some of the stuff my friend Sollador the Reaver could pull off. I believe it got changed somewhere post-luclin, but I stopped playing in PoP, so I wouldn't know about that.


This. Any sk/ necro puller from live knows this. Stop being bads

[Verenity]

This. Any sk/ necro puller from live knows this. Stop being bads

This method of pulling has been used for quite some time now. Just because it involves raid content in this particular instance doesn't mean it's all of a sudden an exploit.
I'm sure all of you who are complaining have either used it or wish they had thought to use it, and are only mad because either
a) it's TMO doing it
or
b) you have literally nothing better to do.

[Ikonoclastia]

Remember when snare and root stacked ? I abused the hell out of that bug too, ban me.
I wasn't saying anyone should be banned. From what I remember of Veeshans peak you could be non-kos with the dragons but the trash would always attack you so they had to be on different factions. Other then that I don't recall much.

[Shiftin]

The first "exploiting" started when Vesica Dei decided to use this against us in Veeshan's Peak.

Remember like 2 months ago when your own guildmates admitted talendor was on purpose? Remember how it wasn't even the first time you were caught doing it? (hint: faydedar)

You had a great post going until you pulled this out of your ass.

[Loly Taa]

Remember like 2 months ago when your own guildmates admitted talendor was on purpose? Remember how it wasn't even the first time you were caught doing it? (hint: faydedar)

You had a great post going until you pulled this out of your ass.

You mean Qados? He's not been TMO for at least a month now, maybe a month and a half. We've even deguilded all accounts we thought he had access to, which unfortunately includes Marley because he's stuck out in the Canadian wilderness and cannot get any internet access. I'm not going to disclose why, that's guild business- but to say we condoned what we did is simply ludicrous. In fact, it's downright spiteful.

I don't see how my point is devalued simply because a single TMO member memblurred (or didn't) memblur a mob in an isolated incident.

We didn't use it as a tactic to be taken seriously, and now that I have the ear of an IB member- can you please tell me, why did you accept the rotation with TMO and specifically not include VD? Why not let them get your rot loots? Was Coldblooded just your puppet?

I suppose that's a silly question, it's quite obvious she was.

And let me make it clear right now why we don't want to negotiate with VD.

If Vesica Dei had not propped up IB/TR like a set of crutches while we laid waste to them, IB would've left months sooner from the server. TMO often mused about making deals with VD because we knew IB was the weaker guild, I'm not sure if we actually approached VD about this but- either way. This golden age of Project 1999 without IB/TR would've happened months earlier without VD being their puppet guild.

Now that IB is gone, VD has literally absorbed IB's former members and have become so much more hungry for pixels. There was no application period, the time they spent "raiding" together was essentially their "app" period.

When IB fell apart TMO didn't just "let" people in, not even the players we respected most in IB. They apped, and some are still apping- but we still didn't sacrifice our app process because IB disbanded and we wanted to suck up the talent pool.

So please, fucking spare me the crying about how TMO should make this server a great place now that IB left for VD's sake. VD had every opportunity to stop this months ago and chose pixels over principle.

We're totally willing to make this server a great place, but not for Vesica Dei. Had they clammed the fuck up we'd be whistling dixie right now.

[Dravingar]

Oh loly, you so crazy.

[Lulz Sect]

http://oi28.tinypic.com/2aj0qvc.jpg

[Tiggles]

Remember like 2 months ago when your own guildmates admitted talendor was on purpose? Remember how it wasn't even the first time you were caught doing it? (hint: faydedar)

You had a great post going until you pulled this out of your ass.

remember when we killed your guild and made you quit the server?

trash

[Harrison]

Lol so many words for "we got caught cheating"

[Alarti0001]

Lol so many words for "we got caught cheating"

You got caught cheating? cause we didn't ask gm's

[Loly Taa]

Lol so many words for "we got caught cheating"

in the troll world we call this- TL;DR (too long; didn't read)

but in your world it would go something like this? TI;CR (too ignorant, can't read)

Did anyone know Harrison was once a TMO applicant?

Apparently he applied because his brother was really adamant about TMO being a cool guild.

We denied him..........

[Dravingar]

in the troll world we call this- TL;DR (too long; didn't read)

but in your world it would go something like this? TI;CR (too ignorant, can't read)

Did anyone know Harrison was once a TMO applicant?

Apparently he applied because his brother was really adamant about TMO being a cool guild.

We denied him..........

Dravingar also took his CoF with him when he quit TMO. Loly is #1 truth.

[Alarti0001]

Dravingar also took his CoF with him when he quit TMO. Loly is #1 truth.

Dravingar confirmed selfish whore?

[CallnOutTheNubs]

Hey now let us not forget TMO are cheating fucking scum of the server

[Enygma]

Hey now let us not forget TMO are cheating fucking scum of the server

except... they had the fewest people caught ACTUALLY cheating out of all the guilds on the server.

If someone knows where to find the stats of the ammount of people suspended or banned for using macroquest/showeq/etc please post.

True story.

[Alarti0001]

except... they had the fewest people caught ACTUALLY cheating out of all the guilds on the server.

If someone knows where to find the stats of the ammount of people suspended or banned for using macroquest/showeq/etc please post.

True story.

fewest next to divinity that is

[Harrison]

in the troll world we call this- TL;DR (too long; didn't read)

but in your world it would go something like this? TI;CR (too ignorant, can't read)

Did anyone know Harrison was once a TMO applicant?

Apparently he applied because his brother was really adamant about TMO being a cool guild.

We denied him..........

False, I removed myself when you were absorbing DA. I refuse to associate myself with cheaters.

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/9694/91468092.jpg


Anything else you would like to lie about? Like how you were publicly outed not once but twice in two days for exploiting pathing?

[Seaweedpimp]

fat kid so obsessed, made sure to ss himself removing self from guild


who gives a fuck




noooooooo boooddyyyyy

[Harrison]

Who gives a fuck? People trying to lie about it because their guild just got caught exploiting TWICE publicly.

[Flunklesnarkin]

Harrison is on a sacred mission from the gods to save the future.

The only way to prevent the apocalypse is to dismantle TMO.

There is still time to save humanity!!!

[quido]

DURRRRRR

[Lovely Icecomet]

TL;DR BUT GOLLY I AM MAD

[Frieza_Prexus]

Who gives a fuck? People trying to lie about it because their guild just got caught exploiting TWICE publicly.

Harrison, can you please cite for us the specific rules we have broken? Alternatively, can you please cite an authoritative GM statement that clearly confirms your statement?

As always, I eagerly await your kind response.

[Lovely Icecomet]

http://www.dualshockers.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/always-sunny-charlie-lawyer.png

[Alarti0001]

Alternatively, can you please cite an authoritative GM statement that clearly confirms your statement?


No he can not he probably also thinks Obama is a Kenyan Muslim

[Harrison]

http://i41.tinypic.com/amtd0z.jpg

Pathing exploiters caught. Going to keep bumping this everyday just so people are informed.

[Jimes]

Are people still trying to call getting single pulls utilizing sneak/hide/invis/etc exploiting? They've killed several VP dragons since Amelinda's post using the same methods, just pulled to a different location. Why haven't they been banned? Maybe it's because it's not a fucking exploit, it's a common pulling strategy used in every zone at every level.

[quido]

DURRRRRR

[Frieza_Prexus]

Harrison,

Since that screen shot has been taken, Amelinda has clarified the official position here: http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=591406&postcount=26

That screenshot has also been rebutted with a FRAPS of the Hoshkar fight in question here: http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=592129&postcount=79

The most current GM position, which I have provided with links, appears to be that TMO has not exploited VP in the manner that you suggest. If you have newer evidence, or if I have missed something, I kindly ask that you present it.

If your best argument is the screen shot you keep posting, I ask why is that considered more authoritative than postings by the same staff member which were done at a later date after more investigation had been conducted.

This is now my 6th posted directly addressing you specifically, Harrison. I am sure you are just taking your time to craft a strong and appropriate rebuttal to fully explain your position.

Just don't take too long to get back to me, otherwise we might start to doubt your serious commitment to the health of this server. And none of us would want that.

[Harrison]

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=591231&postcount=5
A) Mobs aren't adding because when you guys pull them they are pathing through the wall. (At least on the ledge) I sat and watched them the other night to be sure.

[Harrison]

TMO caught exploiting and trying to backpedal out of it, fucking rofl.

[Alarti0001]

TMO caught exploiting and trying to backpedal out of it, fucking rofl.

A sane, rational person updates their opinions as new information is provided to them.....apparently you are neither

[Frieza_Prexus]

^

And this has been covered in a detailed explanation since on the mechanics of hide pulling. This works in any zone, and you can log on to test it yourself. This very thread discusses the mechanics of hide pulling.

This is how it worked on live as well. We did this on my own server of Prexus. Keepers of the Faith, Unity, and Stasis all used Shadow Knights with circlets of shadows to do something similar to what is done now. The end result is a solo pulled dragon anywhere in the zone. The current technique is simply more refined.

Further, the time stamp on the GM post in your link is before the link I posted explaining that TMO is not considered to have exploited. I again ask, why are you ignoring the newer, hence more authoritative, post in favor of an older one.

Once again Harrison, I am looking forward to a reasoned rebuttal from you that specifically addresses the questions I have leveled at you.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Alarti's post snuck in before mine. The " ^ " I used specifically points to Harrison's most recent posts. I am not referencing Alarti's.

[Harrison]

http://i41.tinypic.com/amtd0z.jpg

Bumping while TMO furiously zergs this thread in a rather pathetic attempt to backpedal.

[Haul]

DIABLO 3!

[Seaweedpimp]

tbh if a video game bothered me as much as tmo and eq bothers harrison id just kill myself. or walk outside.

[Harrison]

http://i41.tinypic.com/amtd0z.jpg

Bump for the new page

[Frieza_Prexus]

Harrison,

Now that we are on a new page, I believe you may have accidentally missed my most recent post. I'll quote and link it for you at the end of this post.

I know you, as a respected and engaged member of this community, have an active desire to communicate and help solve the problems this community faces.

As always, I eagerly await your specific and well-reasoned rebuttal. Doubtless, your eventual reply will not disappoint.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=593346&postcount=157

And this has been covered in a detailed explanation since on the mechanics of hide pulling. This works in any zone, and you can log on to test it yourself. This very thread discusses the mechanics of hide pulling.

This is how it worked on live as well. We did this on my own server of Prexus. Keepers of the Faith, Unity, and Stasis all used Shadow Knights with circlets of shadows to do something similar to what is done now. The end result is a solo pulled dragon anywhere in the zone. The current technique is simply more refined.

Further, the time stamp on the GM post in your link is before the link I posted explaining that TMO is not considered to have exploited. I again ask, why are you ignoring the newer, hence more authoritative, post in favor of an older one.

Once again Harrison, I am looking forward to a reasoned rebuttal from you that specifically addresses the questions I have leveled at you.

[Alarti0001]

Bumping while TMO furiously zergs this thread in a rather pathetic attempt to backpedal.
.
Backpedaling would be if we were trying to back away from a previously held position. We have not. They don't teach proper english at the hillbilly academy of deli slicing?
Linked old new instead of more current decisions does not give your argument any credence.......yes even if you link it 7 times

[Harrison]

Man look at their PR campaign trying to ignore the fact they got caught multiple times.

[Maze513]

just got caught doing Tal Gore and Trak in an hour... must be xploits

[Alarti0001]

Man look at their PR campaign trying to ignore the fact they got caught multiple times.

Luckily the judge and jury are not you.... it s the server staff....guess you are wrong. But! You have a right to your opinion however moronic it might be

[Harrison]

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...31&postcount=5

A) Mobs aren't adding because when you guys pull them they are pathing through the wall. (At least on the ledge) I sat and watched them the other night to be sure.

Amelinda watched you exploit for hours. Backpedal harder! You're almost fooling people outside of TMO. (not really. We all know you are fucking terrible lol)

[Alarti0001]

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...31&postcount=5


Amelinda watched you exploit for hours. Backpedal harder! You're almost fooling people outside of TMO. (not really. We all know you are fucking terrible lol)

You should also quote her more recent posts. See my above posts about more recent/relevant posts

[Xeliso]

This thread just keeps going in circles huh? Harrison vs TMO as usual.

[Jjlent]

tbh if a video game i don't play bothered me as much as tmo and eq bothers harrison id just kill myself

[Glitch]

just got caught doing Tal Gore and Trak in an hour... must be xploits

ught doing Tal Gore and Trak in an hour... mu

oing Tal Gore and Trak in

al Gore

[Szeth]

I have to shit so fucking bad.

[Alarti0001]

Caught !......we are al gore lol

[Harrison]

Bump for new page.

PR zerging failing hard.

[azeth]

tmo and al gore invented and then shit up the internet.

fax

[Danyelle]

Al Gore

oh god what have you discovered. Norrath Warming!

[Frieza_Prexus]

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...31&postcount=5
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amelinda
A) Mobs aren't adding because when you guys pull them they are pathing through the wall. (At least on the ledge) I sat and watched them the other night to be sure.
Amelinda watched you exploit for hours. Backpedal harder! You're almost fooling people outside of TMO. (not really. We all know you are fucking terrible lol)

This has been rebutted with FRAPs evidence, mechanical discussion, and there is an implicit retraction of the quoted statement because the strong rebuttals have been allowed to stand unchallenged and subsequent posts by the staff contradict the quoted statement.

Harrison, I am starting to question your dedication to serious and cordial discourse, sir.

[fahlen]

"Xeli is a douche for leapfrogging." gogo

[baub]

p99 need a pathing developer?

[quido]

DURRRRRRRRRRRR

[Harrison]

A) Mobs aren't adding because when you guys pull them they are pathing through the wall. (At least on the ledge) I sat and watched them the other night to be sure.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...31&postcount=5

Bump for the new page. TMO still churning that PR campaign to try to deflect the eyes away from the fact they were caught exploiting multiple times.

[Seaweedpimp]

even if it were tru



were still #1

ur not even in the # 2 guild, much less the first.

nothing will stop our flood of apps.

tmo will be here till the server is no more

u will continue to me mad forever


Signed,
A. Gore

[Frieza_Prexus]

Harrison,

I am beginning to have strong doubts about your perception of time. Are you, perchance, Dr. Manhattan? Do you experience time as a singular instance? Is that why you have not properly addressed the points I've made regarding the shifting GM stance and the factual rebuttals to the now repudiated statements?

If you're experience linear time like the rest of us, should I start playing the same game you are? I seem to recall an application to TMO on our old boards. Older posts are more reliable right?

I'll drop you a line soon about your pending application to TMO. You are hereby granted provisional membership. Congratulations.

[Alarti0001]

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...31&postcount=5

Bump for the new page. TMO still churning that PR campaign to try to deflect the eyes away from the fact they were caught exploiting multiple times.

Harrison still posting nonsensical debunked threads as current fact......why don't u start posting some shit about DA and fishbait for old times sake. Gooooooo!

[Harrison]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/16631057.jpg

[quido]

DURRRRRRRRRRR

[Jjlent]

because we r straight bosses? bro don't hate cause TMO can't be touched

[Frieza_Prexus]

Harrison,

I've actually addressed you in a straight forward and fair manner. You want to make people take you seriously, and you want to make a point. I've given you ample opportunity to do just that. By now, most would have resorted to insulting you and making jabs at your personal life. I've refrained from all of that. Sure, my Dr. Manhattan post was a bit of a jib, and if that was too much, then I apologize.

If you are truly more than a troll, as you claim to be, then I expect you to behave better than this. I'm actually trying to be respectful. The least you could do is return the favor on some small level.

If you want every free-thinking person here to lose what little respect they might have had for you, then keep right on going the way you are.

[Tiggles]

DURRRRRRRRRRRR

DURRRRRRRRRRR

[fahlen]

Harrison confirmed mad because <Freeport Community College> rejected his app.

[fahlen]

Freeport Community College^

[Harrison]

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...31&postcount=5

Bump for the new page. TMO still churning that PR campaign to try to deflect the eyes away from the fact they were caught exploiting multiple times.

http://i41.tinypic.com/amtd0z.jpg

[Anger]

It was all fine and dandy when Xzerion was allowing your guild to exploit and crash zones, and now a questionable situation appears and, once again, you have a problem with it.

Same old song and dance. Nothing to see here.

[Harrison]

bump

[Chanur]

I feel its an exploit everytime we pull in VP. But I am just a member of TMO and the officers get upset when they are reminded something they are doing is not on the up and up.

[kazroth]

I feel its an exploit everytime we pull in VP. But I am just a member of TMO and the officers get upset when they are reminded something they are doing is not on the up and up.

Troll or srs?

[Frieza_Prexus]

Troll.

Search through his post history; he's got very little else in it.

[Alarti0001]

bump

troll or srs?



also, i like how he wont respond to you xast....seems a logical debate is out of his league

[Circa.]

In all honesty does this Harrison guy even play ? If not why does he feel the need to be involved with the server so much. Is he a GM/Guide or something ? I don't get it.

[Scavrefamn]

I don't know why all these people are trolling Harrison, he has a solid argument backed by logic/screenshots.

Down with exploiters/cheaters.

[Enygma]

Q:In all honesty does this Harrison guy even play ? If not why does he feel the need to be involved with the server so much. Is he a GM/Guide or something ? I don't get it.

A: hes a raging fat homosexual.

true story.

[Bodeanicus]

In all honesty does this Harrison guy even play ? If not why does he feel the need to be involved with the server so much. Is he a GM/Guide or something ? I don't get it.

This is the only place he gets any attention, and he gets plenty by being a little bitch.

[Frieza_Prexus]

I don't know why all these people are trolling Harrison, he has a solid argument backed by logic/screenshots.

Solid is a relative term when one refuses to address the incongruities in his own argument.

[canker]

harrison's reason for continuing this woefully misdirected attempt at calling TMO exploiters..


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_lLHrzVPMNpk/S9dCArfV81I/AAAAAAAABwc/TfkSwohv0Rg/s1600/banging_your_head_on_a_wall_burns_150_calories_tsh irt-p235352405897168105qw9y_400.jpg

[Xanthias]

Solid is a relative term when one refuses to address the incongruities in his own argument.

But Xas, if he does that he might actually realize he is wrong and then the world would end and his tiny little head would explode...

[Alarti0001]

xanthias exploits CT deathtouches x2

see his sig for evidence

reported

Just spit water all over my computer........vd's new tactic destroy all tmo raiders computers with hilarity

[Alarti0001]

It was all fine and dandy when Xzerion was allowing your guild to exploit and crash zones, and now a questionable situation appears and, once again, you have a problem with it.

Same old song and dance. Nothing to see here.

Evidence? /snore

What a nublet

[Xanthias]

xanthias exploits CT deathtouches x2

see his sig for evidence

reported

LOL
<3 you too Peak

[Qadosx]

xanthias exploits CT deathtouches x2

see his sig for evidence

reported

Landed a DI on him right before he ran in, was epic to be rewarded with the double death touch. All rangers should be death touched x2 imo.

[Autotune]

Landed a DI on him right before he ran in, was epic to be rewarded with the double death touch. All rangers should be death touched x2 imo.

haha :)

[Silentone]

Landed a DI on him right before he ran in, was epic to be rewarded with the double death touch. All rangers should be death touched x2 imo.

QADOS :)

[Harrison]

http://i41.tinypic.com/amtd0z.jpg

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=591231&postcount=5

Then Faglazen tries to say that their exploiting is okay because there isn't supposed to be GM intervention in VP LOL

To which, Amelinda responds:

1. It's no GM intervention for raid interference/issues. NOT WHEN YOU EXPLOIT etc. (Quit trying to use this as an excuse to be a dick to me kthx)

You can't hide from this or lie about it, TMO. You were caught in public cheating, again.

[Autotune]

Lol, is Harrison still clinging to

ZOMG, I READ EGGSPLOIT THEREFORE EGGSPLOIT!?

[Alarti0001]

Lol, is Harrison still clinging to

ZOMG, I READ EGGSPLOIT THEREFORE EGGSPLOIT!?

Amelinda can u solve this....post once that you caught harrison in a situation that seemed like exploiting and later say not really. Obviously harrison will immediately kill himself.

[Frieza_Prexus]

For now I'm saying it's an exploit

Harrison, Amelinda clearly indicates the issue is unsettled while she's making her statement. She even invites us to discuss it. Since that /shout was done in game, our rebuttal argument has been made, hide pulling is currently under no form of GM interdiction, and she has come out and said that TMO is not in any sort of trouble.

You did read the screen shot you keep posting, right?

As always, I look forward to a productive discussion with you. That is, when you're no longer afraid of me.

[Hitchens]

TMO monk drug corpses for my group in Chardok. Oh, and I saw Stealin run past me once in KC. Can't say any experience with TMO has been negative so far.

Don't much care about the cheating allegations. That's between the individuals accused and the staff.

[Qadosx]

Harrison, you are a fool.

That is all.

[Harrison]

Spin dat PR campaign. Guild is such a joke lmao

[Danyelle]

Amelinda can u solve this....post once that you caught harrison in a situation that seemed like exploiting and later say not really. Obviously harrison will immediately kill himself.

Can this be equated to dividing by zero?

[Paumad]

Qados <3

[Autotune]

Harrison mad he was never apart of a winning team. Sorry bro.

[Harrison]

Yeah, that's why I removed myself from the cheating failboat zerg.

Twist it harder. Everyone almost forgot that you were just caught multiple times pulling shit through walls, exploiting.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Everyone almost forgot that you were just caught multiple times pulling shit through walls, exploiting.

And no one will forget when you threw away the only time someone extended an offer of rational discourse towards you.

[Autotune]

I pull shit through walls, floors, ceilings, worlds, other mobs, and wal-marts.

That is the difference between me and you; I am a pro at EQ and you can't even form an original thought.

[Harrison]

Pros don't cheat. You guys have been caught and outed publicly. That's how bad you are.

The past 20 pages of you guys furiously trying to deflect, is even more pathetic.

[Paumad]

The past 20 pages of me having a seizure, is even more pathetic

[Autotune]

Pros cheat in the eyes of shitty people with low IQs. It is how the ignorant explain the abilities of people with far superior intelligence, with words like exploit and aliens.

[Szeth]

Pros don't cheat.

Do you watch sports?

[Alarti0001]

Pros don't cheat. You guys have been caught and outed publicly. That's how bad you are.

The past 20 pages of you guys furiously trying to deflect, is even more pathetic.

There is one person furious in this thread... and they aren't in TMO

[Danyelle]

I pull shit through walls, floors, ceilings, worlds, other mobs, and wal-marts.

I'm interested in knowing details...

[Harrison]

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=591231&postcount=5

http://i41.tinypic.com/amtd0z.jpg

Then Faglazen tries to say that their exploiting is okay because there isn't supposed to be GM intervention in VP LOL

To which, Amelinda responds:

1. It's no GM intervention for raid interference/issues. NOT WHEN YOU EXPLOIT etc. (Quit trying to use this as an excuse to be a dick to me kthx)

You can't hide from this or lie about it, TMO. You were caught in public cheating, again.

Bump for the new page. They're zerging this thread trying to deflect, it's so sad rofl

[Autotune]

Bump because this isn't a new page.

[Loly Taa]

Bump for the new page. They're zerging this thread trying to deflect, it's so sad rofl

I don't get how you think you're hurting us with this. No one with any common sense doesn't already have you ignored or simply does not stop by RnF. You're certainly not cutting down on our incoming apps, in fact, we're stronger now than we've ever been.

Not to mention you're just flat out wrong, but again- anyone with common sense already knows this.

[Autotune]

I don't get how you think you're hurting us with this. No one with any common sense doesn't already have you ignored or simply does not stop by RnF. You're certainly not cutting down on our incoming apps, in fact, we're stronger now than we've ever been.

Not to mention you're just flat out wrong, but again- anyone with common sense already knows this.

I've already stated this.


Harrison is so widely hated that when he hates on someone else, it makes them look better. He's just that stupidly retarded that he still, for some unknown reason, thinks he is actually having the effect he desires.

[CallnOutTheNubs]

Amelinda said ;

This is sooo not a joke.

A) Mobs aren't adding because when you guys pull them they are pathing through the wall. (At least on the ledge) I sat and watched them the other night to be sure.

B) I know WHY you are fighting up there.

TMO = Bunch of faggot ass exploiters and rappists of the young and tight

[Autotune]

Amelinda said ;

This is sooo not a joke.

A) Mobs aren't adding because when you guys pull them they are pathing through the wall. (At least on the ledge) I sat and watched them the other night to be sure.

B) I know WHY you are fighting up there.

TMO = Bunch of faggot ass exploiters and rappists of the young and tight

Point A is partly correct. While the mobs were coming without adds, it had nothing to do with the walls. None of our Named pulls come with adds to any of our camp locations, regardless of the route they take.

Point B could be correct. If she knows we are fighting up there because Rogean/Nilbog was allowing an actual exploit to go unpunished.

You = Anon pussy bitch who knows only what his penisbuddy Harrison has pumped in his anal pie.

When you understand P99 mechanics, hit me up.

[Harrison]

Furiously trying to deny this still. Now that is fucking hilarious.

[Loly Taa]

Furiously trying to deny this still. Now that is fucking hilarious.

The only thing happening "furiously" here is you fapping to the thought of you having some impact on the world aside from the amount of Ethiopians that could be saved by the food you personally consume annually.

[Jjlent]

bump to expose tmo for the pro exploiters we are

don't worry harry, i got your back

PS. if you think you can exploit like a pro, go here (http://www.themysticalorder.net/phpBB3/) to app

[Jimes]

The only thing happening "furiously" here is you fapping to the thought of you having some impact on the world aside from the amount of Ethiopians that could be saved by the food you personally consume annually.

shit just got real

[Jjlent]

PPS. i know i havent been on in a while except for random hour here or there but i still love u guys
well except for jeremy, he once touched my no no place

[Jjlent]

Jeremy confirmed Rapist, TMO confirmed Don status
these forums are pretty entertaining

[Autotune]

PPS. i know i havent been on in a while except for random hour here or there but i still love u guys
well except for jeremy, he once touched my no no place

Guess there really is a first for everything

[Jjlent]

i still have nightmares, we were in KC and he locked me in a jail cell and did bad, grotesque things. then hobby flew in and saved me and flew me to safety on his winged iguana

[quido]

i still have nightmares, we were in KC and he locked me in a jail cell and did bad, grotesque things. then hobby flew in and saved me and flew me to safety on his winged iguana

this is more or less how I remember it too

[Harrison]

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=591231&postcount=5

http://i41.tinypic.com/amtd0z.jpg

Then Faglazen tries to say that their exploiting is okay because there isn't supposed to be GM intervention in VP LOL

To which, Amelinda responds:

1. It's no GM intervention for raid interference/issues. NOT WHEN YOU EXPLOIT etc. (Quit trying to use this as an excuse to be a dick to me kthx)

You can't hide from this or lie about it, TMO. You were caught in public cheating, again.

[quido]

This message is hidden because Harrison is on your DURRRRRRRRRRRR list.

[Autotune]

haha, i love how you have Amelinda's shout in that SS.

I've killed people with the named dragons in the lava tunnels. I'd have shown her that, but she stated she clearly "wasn't stupid" and "raided on live" so i figured she was just pissed (aka, not a good time to reason with an irrational pissed off woman).


Good thing that Hoshkar Fail video Daliant took totally disproves your, as well as Amelinda's, entire argument on that Hoshkar wipe.

If only she had been less pissed off and more willing to test her assumption, you wouldn't be posting her (at that time) ignorance over and over.

[Danyelle]

>Terrible fat-mad thread gets derailed by amazing stories of molestation and flying iguanas
>Harrison tries to steal the glory back by making more analravaged posts that no one sees

You keep using the word 'pathetic' bro...do you even know what it means? Last I checked, getting so mad at a video game that you do, well, what you're doing.. pretty much is the exact definition of that word.

QUIT GETTING MAD AT VIDEO GAMES

Now if we could please continue with this amazing story....

[Autotune]

>Terrible fat-mad thread gets derailed by amazing stories of molestation and flying iguanas
>Harrison tries to steal the glory back by making more analravaged posts that no one sees

You keep using the word 'pathetic' bro...do you even know what it means? Last I checked, getting so mad at a video game that you do, well, what you're doing.. pretty much is the exact definition of that word.

QUIT GETTING MAD AT VIDEO GAMES

Now if we could please continue with this amazing story....

NOOOO, I love it when people make themselves look like complete idiots!

Harrison and Yendor are my two favorites

[Harrison]

Having a zerg of people come to defend you doesn't make you right.

You got caught. You can't twist your way out of it.

[Harrison]

Oh, new page again.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=591231&postcount=5

http://i41.tinypic.com/amtd0z.jpg

Then Faglazen tries to say that their exploiting is okay because there isn't supposed to be GM intervention in VP LOL

To which, Amelinda responds:

1. It's no GM intervention for raid interference/issues. NOT WHEN YOU EXPLOIT etc. (Quit trying to use this as an excuse to be a dick to me kthx)

You can't hide from this or lie about it, TMO. You were caught in public cheating, again.

[Loly Taa]

Having a zerg of people come to defend you doesn't make you right.

You got caught. You can't twist your way out of it.

This is no zerg, RnF is just particularly vibrant tonight. Also twist our way out of what? you trolling us? As I've stated earlier this isn't an issue for us. I'm having fun, are you?

[Danyelle]

Did my post make you mad? Shh baby shh, it's ok

Just a heads up i'm not affiliated with TMO. They could give two fucks about me I'm sure and, out of all the guilds' members, I know...Stealin (I think i know Loly from THF too but it could easily have been someone else and I'm not sure we ever spoke in person. Shame =/ ). That's about it. I'm not a part of some zerg to defend them. I just don't see them as having done anything wrong and, most importantly, find how mad you get at video games to be utterly hilarious. It's like you really have nothing better to do with your time.

There comes a moment in every gamer's life when you need to get up out of the chair, let the ass imprint even out, and take a breather for awhile.

[Loly Taa]

Did my post make you mad? Shh baby shh, it's ok

Just a heads up i'm not affiliated with TMO. They could give two fucks about me I'm sure and, out of all the guilds' members, I know...Stealin (I think i know Loly from THF too but it could easily have been someone else and I'm not sure we ever spoke in person. Shame =/ ). That's about it. I'm not a part of some zerg to defend them. I just don't see them as having done anything wrong and, most importantly, find how mad you get at video games to be utterly hilarious. It's like you really have nothing better to do with your time.

There comes a moment in every gamer's life when you need to get up out of the chair, let the ass imprint even out, and take a breather for awhile.

What is THF? I have been many places, many games, but I don't recall any THF acronyms. I played on live during TMO's glory years and after that played EVE online as Brraiinnnssss making people rage because of my smartbomb rig back when you still had to warp to every gate at 15km.