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Fromage
02-21-2012, 02:53 AM
Since both major raid guilds are suspended, how about getting Ninik her epic? I'm sure 80% of you have been rezzed by her at one point in time!

Lanuven
02-21-2012, 02:56 AM
bump !

Heebee
02-21-2012, 03:05 AM
I want Ninik to have my babies. Tiny gnome babies.

Lazortag
02-21-2012, 03:08 AM
I remember my first ninik rez like it was yesterday *cuts to a flashback* I was still a newb and she rezzed me in Lguk, completely refusing payment. I recall trying to trick her into grouping with me for manasong when my intention was actually to use /split to give her a bunch of plat. That day I was the happiest bard in the world, and for this reason I support all efforts at guilting the big guilds into letting her have dibs on the next ragefire.

Falisaty
02-21-2012, 05:23 AM
<---- supports this cause

Adnan
02-21-2012, 06:48 AM
Ninik is The COOLEST gnome.

Alkorin
02-21-2012, 07:24 AM
Ninik is The COOLEST gnome.

I'd help if I wasn't raid suspended by proxy. ~

Szeth
02-21-2012, 07:32 AM
Amelinda: can those of us who can't raid help ninik with her epic?

Autotune
02-21-2012, 08:15 AM
i can't engage a raid target, but i am sure i can FTE a trigger mob for Ninik.

Xeliso
02-21-2012, 09:19 AM
i can't engage a raid target, but i am sure i can FTE a trigger mob for Ninik.

Rusl
02-21-2012, 09:25 AM
Don't speak about it be about it.

fischsemmel
02-21-2012, 09:47 AM
You may not engage ANY raid targets such as "boss mobs" (including maestro, inny, cazic and draco) in fear and hate., vox and naggy, talendor, gorenaire, sev, trak, and all 6 dragons in VP.

Doesn't say anything about not being nice to Ninik.

Metallikus
02-21-2012, 09:50 AM
All of a sudden people want to help Ninik get her epic while they arent allowed to touch ragefire, but have refused to let her in the rotation during the time they have gotten their first 12 cleric epics. How cute. Will you agree to a rotation when your suspension lifts?

Szeth
02-21-2012, 10:01 AM
I wanted to help Ninik from the start. One man can only do so much.

Autotune
02-21-2012, 10:03 AM
I wanted to help Ninik from the start. One man can only do so much.

agreed. Tho i'm going to do whatever i can now.

Perun
02-21-2012, 10:07 AM
I'll help! I got a couple programs that will tell me when he spawns.. Err did I say programs I meant trackers...

Dentalplan
02-21-2012, 10:47 AM
Seriously if there's one thing that would be a common good for the server, it's this. Ninik already runs around Norrath rezzing folks, now she could do it mana free!

Ele
02-21-2012, 10:58 AM
All of a sudden people want to help Ninik get her epic while they arent allowed to touch ragefire, but have refused to let her in the rotation during the time they have gotten their first 12 cleric epics. How cute. Will you agree to a rotation when your suspension lifts?

People were claiming to want to help 7 weeks ago, but I never saw a single person camping it for Ninek.

First 12 cleric epics? Where do you get that? There are 8, that I know of, on the server now.

The first one was uncontested. The second was a FFA. Numbers 3-7 were split amongst the clerics that had put in the most time into the camp. Number 8 was picked up yesterday. Possibly could be a ninth by now.

CallnOutTheNubs
02-21-2012, 11:25 AM
All of a sudden people want to help Ninik get her epic while they arent allowed to touch ragefire, but have refused to let her in the rotation during the time they have gotten their first 12 cleric epics. How cute.

Would like to see whoever touches ragefire thats raid suspended eat a perma ban and told to GTFO the server that would be nice.

Motec
02-21-2012, 11:35 AM
Would like to see whoever touches ragefire thats raid suspended eat a perma ban and told to GTFO the server that would be nice.

You realise ragefire is a level 54 nagafen clone, and can probably be trio'd with ease. But that's beside the point. Are you about to petition Stealin for sitting in lair to help out? Or me?

Autotune
02-21-2012, 11:39 AM
You realise ragefire is a level 54 nagafen clone, and can probably be trio'd with ease. But that's beside the point. Are you about to petition Stealin for sitting in lair to help out? Or me?

feel free to petition me all day. (this is for everyone, not directed to you motec)

maverixdamighty
02-21-2012, 11:43 AM
don't see why anyone in ibo/tmo would be petitioned for this as it is not helping either of the guilds raid suspended. ib raids with vd so if anything you could say it would potentially hurt them.

OngorDrakan
02-21-2012, 11:58 AM
I will help. I believe I have been res'd by Ninik before, I will FD for you!

But would humbly request help with my Epic too. :)

Tiggles
02-21-2012, 12:09 PM
Ninik you have my support

Tulvinous
02-21-2012, 12:23 PM
Stop CB'ing a target in the only week you'll ever see and have a chance at. Instead, how about you help someone who has passively contributed more to the server w/o effort than you could even imagine.

Amelinda
02-21-2012, 12:31 PM
I will make an exception and say that despite their raid suspensions that TMO and IB both MAY assist Ninik with her epic ragefire kill. I am willing to allow that. However. They may not receive ANY loot from the encounter or benefit in ANY way at all beyond the satisfaction of helping another player. so to be clear: members from TMO and IB MAY engage ragefire ONLY to kill for Ninik or some other cleric who is NOT in a top tier raiding guild (IB/TMO/VD - including VD in this because IB/VD do joint raid and I feel a cleric in VD would have a better shot at getting ragefire than a cleric NOT in those 3 guilds.)

Reasoning: I feel that behaving in a charitable way that helps someone on the server who is NOT in one of the top competitive raiding guilds is something that would maybe encourage players to get along better. Think of this as optional community service.

**NOTE** I am only referring to ragefire. You may not perform "community service" at any other mob. *ahem*

Daldolma
02-21-2012, 12:31 PM
Ninik you have my support

And my axe.

Jimes
02-21-2012, 12:35 PM
This server has gone full retard.

Tiggles
02-21-2012, 12:36 PM
I will make an exception and say that despite their raid suspensions that TMO and IB both MAY assist Ninik with her epic ragefire kill. I am willing to allow that. However. They may not receive ANY loot from the encounter or benefit in ANY way at all beyond the satisfaction of helping another player. so to be clear: members from TMO and IB MAY engage ragefire ONLY to kill for Ninik or some other cleric who is NOT in a top tier raiding guild (IB/TMO/VD - including VD in this because IB/VD do joint raid and I feel a cleric in VD would have a better shot at getting ragefire than a cleric NOT in those 3 guilds.)

Reasoning: I feel that behaving in a charitable way that helps someone on the server who is NOT in one of the top competitive raiding guilds is something that would maybe encourage players to get along better. Think of this as optional community service.

**NOTE** I am only referring to ragefire. You may not perform "community service" at any other mob. *ahem*

Fair and just ruler

Ele
02-21-2012, 12:46 PM
I will make an exception and say that despite their raid suspensions that TMO and IB both MAY assist Ninik with her epic ragefire kill. I am willing to allow that. However. They may not receive ANY loot from the encounter or benefit in ANY way at all beyond the satisfaction of helping another player. so to be clear: members from TMO and IB MAY engage ragefire ONLY to kill for Ninik or some other cleric who is NOT in a top tier raiding guild (IB/TMO/VD - including VD in this because IB/VD do joint raid and I feel a cleric in VD would have a better shot at getting ragefire than a cleric NOT in those 3 guilds.)

Reasoning: I feel that behaving in a charitable way that helps someone on the server who is NOT in one of the top competitive raiding guilds is something that would maybe encourage players to get along better. Think of this as optional community service.

**NOTE** I am only referring to ragefire. You may not perform "community service" at any other mob. *ahem*

Is that an official position that Ragefire is considered a raid mob vs. a triggered epic encounter (e.g., Astral Projection/Ixiblat)?

Ele
02-21-2012, 12:47 PM
Crap RnF, can't edit: my above post just seeks clarification, not a critisicm.

Tiggles
02-21-2012, 12:52 PM
Crap RnF, can't edit: my above post just seeks clarification, not a critisicm.

It's just charity for Ragefire


guilds need to stop trying to fucking rule lawyer everything to try and get some sort of advantage.

Lanuven
02-21-2012, 01:07 PM
Occupy Naggy's Lair for Ninik Starting now =D

Gmal
02-21-2012, 01:14 PM
When i get home I will bring out Sabbath to Tank it and camp the hell out of it for her. I dont know her but sounds like she has alot of people that love the hell out of her so I definitely would like to get to know her. Im all for this anytime good people need assistance even if your not in top raiding guild.

I have my SK morthox also whos 51 I can use to tank Naggy if he pops. We can also setup a Batphone for anyone that wants to be on it for when Naggy or Ragefire pops.

I would love to be a part of this.

OngorDrakan
02-21-2012, 01:15 PM
You have my fists! As much as a Lvl 39 can punch before being burned to ashes...

Wotsirb401
02-21-2012, 01:24 PM
Hope you brought a ton of socks if you think Naggy is spawning anytime soon

maverixdamighty
02-21-2012, 01:24 PM
no sabbath we must farm sebilis keys again first!

Xatava
02-21-2012, 01:52 PM
expect to see some benevolent charity towards untagged alts of "top tier raiding guilds" after this ruling



lul

Metallikus
02-21-2012, 02:03 PM
expect to see some benevolent charity towards untagged alts of "top tier raiding guilds" after this ruling



lul

Yes, I have no idea what the thought process was with allowing raid suspended guilds to interfere with non raid suspended guilds on raid targets.....

Ele
02-21-2012, 02:14 PM
Yes, I have no idea what the thought process was with allowing raid suspended guilds to interfere with non raid suspended guilds on raid targets.....

Where does it say interfere? She said assist Ninik.

Daldaen
02-21-2012, 02:52 PM
This Ninik person seemed pleasant, but does anyone else get annoyed by her posts always being in character?

Szeth
02-21-2012, 02:53 PM
Obviously missed the post where she addressed us fighting over her making her sad.

Completely out of the NiNik character.

Diggle
02-21-2012, 03:08 PM
can we get ninik her vp key and give her all the loot? :D

falkun
02-21-2012, 03:42 PM
I will make an exception and say that despite their raid suspensions that TMO and IB both MAY assist Ninik with her epic ragefire kill. I am willing to allow that. However. They may not receive ANY loot from the encounter or benefit in ANY way at all beyond the satisfaction of helping another player. so to be clear: members from TMO and IB MAY engage ragefire ONLY to kill for Ninik or some other cleric who is NOT in a top tier raiding guild (IB/TMO/VD - including VD in this because IB/VD do joint raid and I feel a cleric in VD would have a better shot at getting ragefire than a cleric NOT in those 3 guilds.)

Reasoning: I feel that behaving in a charitable way that helps someone on the server who is NOT in one of the top competitive raiding guilds is something that would maybe encourage players to get along better. Think of this as optional community service.

**NOTE** I am only referring to ragefire. You may not perform "community service" at any other mob. *ahem*

I give you the charitable philosophy of tmo:

i don't care what tag you wear, mine or otherwise, until ninik gets her epic, i'm going to personally make it as impossible as hell for anyone to do the turnin.

You've all been warned.

Congratulations ninik! Sucks to be you, any other "cleric not in a top tier raiding guild". So where does griefing fir into this charity ruling amelinda?

Autotune
02-21-2012, 04:03 PM
I give you the charitable philosophy of tmo:



Congratulations ninik! Sucks to be you, any other "cleric not in a top tier raiding guild". So where does griefing fir into this charity ruling amelinda?

my post was well before amelinda's post

Again, keep reaching. I seek to start a rotation, you only search for excuses not to.

falkun
02-21-2012, 04:13 PM
my post was well before amelinda's post

Again, keep reaching. I seek to start a rotation, you only search for excuses not to.

Please find the quote where I dismiss a rotation. You posted a rotation, and then asked for feedback after stating you already looked it over for loopholes. I found loopholes, and suggested ways to plug them. So I provide you feedback that you ask for and then you twist that in to "DJ does not want a rotation"? Your welcome, and congratulations on succcessfully trolling me in server chat.

Autotune
02-21-2012, 04:46 PM
Please find the quote where I dismiss a rotation. You posted a rotation, and then asked for feedback after stating you already looked it over for loopholes. I found loopholes, and suggested ways to plug them. So I provide you feedback that you ask for and then you twist that in to "DJ does not want a rotation"? Your welcome, and congratulations on succcessfully trolling me in server chat.

your guild told ninik to basically "fuck off" which is the main reason i even jumped into the cleric bullshit hole.

After the epic release, there was supposed to be a rotation being put in place, low and behold both guilds get suspended the day before.

When left with the server on their own, VD seeks to exploit their power over the other guilds by refusing to even consider a rotation start. Claiming it is unfair for VD to not have as many cleric epics as TMO or IB.

Yet how it is fair for Taken?
How is it fair for BDA?
How is it far for Divinity?
How is it far for TMO? (afterall IB has more than us)

This isn't about being fair anymore, your guild seeks to get even with greed. amirite? Fuck every other guild, this week is special because TMO/IB can't mess with you and the other guilds aren't in a position to threaten you.

Again, the "fairness" of VD is beginning to be well known.

Velion
02-21-2012, 05:10 PM
The suspensions should have had nothing to do with a rotation being agreed upon. If Zeelot hadn't cock-blocked the rotation, the suspensions would have had nothing to do with whether or not VD honored them, despite the difference in the raid scene this week.

Ninik seems like a great person and willing to help others on this server... but the same can be said for some of our clerics who have been waiting patiently. We didn't tell Ninik to "fuck off". She has every ability to take advantage of this week without TMO/IB and get Divinity to show up for her. When Ragefire spawned last night, I didn't see a single Divinity attempt to show up to help her.

We have been for a rotation from the very beginning and conceded to let the first 5 go to TMO/IB. Keep trying to spin this any way you want but the ONLY reason Ninik doesn't have her epic yet rests squarely on your guild's leadership.

Velion
02-21-2012, 05:14 PM
When left with the server on their own, VD seeks to exploit their power over the other guilds by refusing to even consider a rotation start.

That is such a load of shit it's not even funny. You expect us to form a rotation without TMO that will last all of 4 days? We're looking at MAYBE 2 spawns during the suspension with 4 guilds looking to get some action. What fucking good is a 4 day rotation going to do when we know TMO will come back and shit all over it as soon as their suspension is up?

Lazortag
02-21-2012, 05:24 PM
Ninik seems like a great person and willing to help others on this server... but the same can be said for some of our clerics who have been waiting patiently. We didn't tell Ninik to "fuck off". She has every ability to take advantage of this week without TMO/IB and get Divinity to show up for her. When Ragefire spawned last night, I didn't see a single Divinity attempt to show up to help her.

...

As she said herself, yesterday she willingly didn't compete against Maultriss because VD didn't have a cleric epic yet. It's not like we didn't show up because we didn't think it was important enough. As for today, Divinity is currently in the lair, so I'm not really sure what you're saying. You say we have "every ability to take advantage of this week without TMO/IB", but the point is we shouldn't even have to. A reasonable person would see that competing over a spawn by clicking at thin air for 3 days straight is stupid.

PureLo
02-21-2012, 05:29 PM
So according to the Amelinda quote and her coming in here in regards to this as was stemmed from another forum. I am curious since it clearly states that IB couldn't "engage" (insert mob list here) YET while training around in fear whenever the whole BDA/VD fiasco thing went down yesterday they technically ENGAGED Draco... where is their further suspension?

Why hasn't there been any speech or action toward this... you can argue whether it was intentional to train in order to help VD... but again last time I checked Draco doesn't go NEAR the zone in unless pulled there/aggro'd and those both fall into the definition of engagement... so again will there but a further suspension or penalty?

This charitable thing seems nice and a good step into a "greater" server, but why stop at just 1 good person and not apply these friendly dealings overall?

Velion
02-21-2012, 05:37 PM
You say we have "every ability to take advantage of this week without TMO/IB", but the point is we shouldn't even have to.

But without a rotation, that is the reality of it. Without a rotation, how can you expect a cleric to willingly give up a good shot at the epic when it is well known that after Saturday, TMO will be back to doing everything in their power to cock-block ragefire from the rest of the server. This has always been how they operate.

They all pretended to give a shit about Ninik from the very beginning but have done NOTHING to push towards a rotation or even negotiate her a spot on the initial agreement. Them bringing all of this to the forefront now and championing the "Ninik cause" is nothing more than them posturing and trying to pit the other guilds against VD for their own selfish reasons.

Jimes
02-21-2012, 05:40 PM
TMO will be back to doing everything in their power to cock-block ragefire from the rest of the server.

You mean doing everything in their power to earn as many cleric epics for their own guild? Why don't you scrubs learn to mobilize faster instead of shedding tears about things being unfair?

falkun
02-21-2012, 05:47 PM
As she said herself, yesterday she willingly didn't compete against Maultriss because VD didn't have a cleric epic yet. It's not like we didn't show up because we didn't think it was important enough. As for today, Divinity is currently in the lair, so I'm not really sure what you're saying. You say we have "every ability to take advantage of this week without TMO/IB", but the point is we shouldn't even have to. A reasonable person would see that competing over a spawn by clicking at thin air for 3 days straight is stupid.

Regardless of tmo's possible subversive agenda, the agreement was completed or almost complete prior to tmo/ib raid suspension. What steps did divinity take to renew the agreement before it expired and spiraled into chaos? Cold tried to get the rotation extended before it expired to include vd, but we were refused by zeelot. Did divinity see similar stonewalling for niniks epic? If your leadership did not try to renew the agreement, then do not blame vd for your lack of effort. If your leadership did try to renew the agreement, then what were your results.trying to negotiate with other guild leadership(I doubt vd leadership blocked you from the negotiating table)?

The leadership of all guilds wishing to be involved in a ragefire rotation had the power to prevent this chaos, yet here we are. It is unfair to place blame only on VD when we have shown through our actions we want a rotation and our competition has refused to cooperate.

Lanuven
02-21-2012, 05:53 PM
So according to the Amelinda quote and her coming in here in regards to this as was stemmed from another forum. I am curious since it clearly states that IB couldn't "engage" (insert mob list here) YET while training around in fear whenever the whole BDA/VD fiasco thing went down yesterday they technically ENGAGED Draco... where is their further suspension?

Why hasn't there been any speech or action toward this... you can argue whether it was intentional to train in order to help VD... but again last time I checked Draco doesn't go NEAR the zone in unless pulled there/aggro'd and those both fall into the definition of engagement... so again will there but a further suspension or penalty?

This charitable thing seems nice and a good step into a "greater" server, but why stop at just 1 good person and not apply these friendly dealings overall?

Ambrotos' response to this the other night was something like ..and i didnt get it in logs, but " BDA shouldnt have been poking their heads in the zone without someone first going in and seeing if it was cleared."
When they cleared the zone before going to hate. The zone doesnt repop that fast so why worry about draco or a train being at the zone in. no one pulls draco to the zone in to kill him with an already cleared zone.

Ambrotos popping off with a stupid comment like that just shows that theres more to the story thats not being talked about.

Autotune
02-21-2012, 05:53 PM
But without a rotation, that is the reality of it. Without a rotation, how can you expect a cleric to willingly give up a good shot at the epic when it is well known that after Saturday, TMO will be back to doing everything in their power to cock-block ragefire from the rest of the server. This has always been how they operate.

They all pretended to give a shit about Ninik from the very beginning but have done NOTHING to push towards a rotation or even negotiate her a spot on the initial agreement. Them bringing all of this to the forefront now and championing the "Ninik cause" is nothing more than them posturing and trying to pit the other guilds against VD for their own selfish reasons.

yes, clearly this is how we operate.

I gave everyone a rotation.

Taken, agreed
Divinity, mostly agreed
TMO, agreed
VD, declined
IB, Reportedly declined
BDA, yet to reply? but i imagine they are willing.


Bolded part: just for you

You're the second stupid fuck that has brought this up. I think it's hilarious you think this is some grand TMO scheme to fuck VD. Wanna know who helped with the rotation order? IB's own cleric Relapsee.

I'm sick of your guilds petty response about how it wasn't fair* only to find out you only wanted to stretch out this week so that you could 1up tmo on cleric epics with IB. This is why IB wouldn't allow ninik to go ahead of VD on a rotation starting now? Your entire guild becomes more and more petty.

You guys are seriously becoming the shittiest thing this server has ever seen. By all means, keep bringing up how this rotation hurts your guild soo much and helps TMO.

Everyone suffers the same consequences to breaking the agreement, everyone benefits from not breaking it.

Look in the past? who broke the first VP agreement? wasn't TMO.
Who made sure to stick out the 2nd agreement (even when it was turning to shit and it would have benefited us to end it early TR style)???

give you another hint, it wasn't TMO

It was your raiding partner, the guild you've been raiding with since october, the guild that has now been suspended twice. One of which is one of the worst offenses seen on the server so far. Yet VD completely escaped any punishment by wearing a different tag. By now you'd both be considered common law whores.

No wonder bubbles/miley stopped playing with you fucking idiots. BTW, I am not trolling, the majority of you truly are completely worthless retards.

(i apologize to the select few VD i do talk to in-game, you know who you are. In no way do i direct this toward you individually)

Velion
02-21-2012, 05:59 PM
yes, clearly this is how we operate.

I gave everyone a rotation.

Taken, agreed
Divinity, mostly agreed
TMO, agreed
VD, declined
IB, Reportedly declined
BDA, yet to reply? but i imagine they are willing.


And where is the proof of this?

Velion
02-21-2012, 06:06 PM
yes, clearly this is how we operate.

I gave everyone a rotation.

Taken, agreed
Divinity, mostly agreed
TMO, agreed
VD, declined
IB, Reportedly declined
BDA, yet to reply? but i imagine they are willing.


Bolded part: just for you

You're the second stupid fuck that has brought this up. I think it's hilarious you think this is some grand TMO scheme to fuck VD. Wanna know who helped with the rotation order? IB's own cleric Relapsee.

I'm sick of your guilds petty response about how it wasn't fair* only to find out you only wanted to stretch out this week so that you could 1up tmo on cleric epics with IB. This is why IB wouldn't allow ninik to go ahead of VD on a rotation starting now? Your entire guild becomes more and more petty.

You guys are seriously becoming the shittiest thing this server has ever seen. By all means, keep bringing up how this rotation hurts your guild soo much and helps TMO.

Everyone suffers the same consequences to breaking the agreement, everyone benefits from not breaking it.

Look in the past? who broke the first VP agreement? wasn't TMO.
Who made sure to stick out the 2nd agreement (even when it was turning to shit and it would have benefited us to end it early TR style)???

give you another hint, it wasn't TMO

It was your raiding partner, the guild you've been raiding with since october, the guild that has now been suspended twice. One of which is one of the worst offenses seen on the server so far. Yet VD completely escaped any punishment by wearing a different tag. By now you'd both be considered common law whores.

No wonder bubbles/miley stopped playing with you fucking idiots. BTW, I am not trolling, the majority of you truly are completely worthless retards.

(i apologize to the select few VD i do talk to in-game, you know who you are. In no way do i direct this toward you individually)

Do you seriously have zero reading comprehension? I have no problem with the suggested order of the rotation and how you got that from my posts is beyond me. I am all for the rotation how it was posted and I would be fine with it being implemented in it's current form.

Harmtouch
02-21-2012, 06:25 PM
no one pulls draco to the zone in to kill him with an already cleared zone.

.


I lol'd.

YendorLootmonkey
02-21-2012, 06:29 PM
I am sure everyone in VD is fine with a rotation.

We weren't fine with the original iteration, which was the "TMO/TMO/then the rotation actually starts" rotation:

(From Coldblooded's post)
[Fri Feb 17 17:12:27 2012] You told Zeelot, 'i was just talking to xeli, i dont know if your paths crossed before she logged'
[Fri Feb 17 17:12:36 2012] Zeelot tells you, 'yeah he just started talking to me'
[Fri Feb 17 17:12:41 2012] Zeelot tells you, 'About the epics right?'
[Fri Feb 17 17:12:43 2012] You told Zeelot, 'yes'
[Fri Feb 17 17:14:29 2012] You told Zeelot, 'the way it had been left with elethia, someone from each guild would get together and /random to set the rotation order'
[Fri Feb 17 17:16:05 2012] Zeelot tells you, 'I told him I'd be down to put VD into a rotation, but I would like to get 2 more for tmo if possible before that starts. IB arranged an uneven agreement and I'd like to get it evened out before putting you guys in'

Not speaking for Coldblooded, but I can't see how we wouldn't be fine with this rotation:

(From Stealin)
Tech, VD could be considered to have already gone in the rotation, put Div - ninik next, and go from there.

It's not hard.

1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 for all guilds involved.

And based on this thread (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=65687), Ninik doesn't want to interrupt VD's current camp in session, so she is okay with waiting. In my opinion, start the rotation after Emmdano's Ragefire and put VD at the end of the rotation.

So I don't see what the problem here is, aside from hashing out the "how long to engage" and "how a guild gets added to the rotation" parts. I don't think many were comfortable with this idea:


I propose changing the forfeiture to the first instance of 10pm eastern time after Ragefire spawns or 1 hour, whichever is longer.

as that reduces the frequency of Ragefire spawns for everyone else. But this is where guild reputation comes into play, since you can ask for help. Only 3 Divinity on at 4am when he spawns? Send out some calls for help to your friends in TMO, IB, VD, BDA, Taken, whoever. Promise to let everyone random on the other loot that drops. Whatever it takes.

Stop trolling, Stealin... you're making yourself look stupid, as usual. You are the biggest troll on the forum, of course your credibility is ZERO. We want to see Zeelot agree to what you just rolled out before we can tell if "TMO accepted" or not. Yes, you can work out the rotation between the clerics of the involved guilds, but the disputes are going to go to the guildleaders. The enforcement of the rotation is going to go to the guildleaders. The guildleaders need to sign off on it.

Amelinda
02-21-2012, 07:01 PM
This Ninik person seemed pleasant, but does anyone else get annoyed by her posts always being in character?

Definitely not!!! I love that about Ninik. She is the mostmost funfun perfec size gnome ever!


So according to the Amelinda quote and her coming in here in regards to this as was stemmed from another forum. I am curious since it clearly states that IB couldn't "engage" (insert mob list here) YET while training around in fear whenever the whole BDA/VD fiasco thing went down yesterday they technically ENGAGED Draco... where is their further suspension?

Why hasn't there been any speech or action toward this... you can argue whether it was intentional to train in order to help VD... but again last time I checked Draco doesn't go NEAR the zone in unless pulled there/aggro'd and those both fall into the definition of engagement... so again will there but a further suspension or penalty?

This charitable thing seems nice and a good step into a "greater" server, but why stop at just 1 good person and not apply these friendly dealings overall?

I'll address IB in fear. i received a tell from them before there were petitions about it. I was afk so had no idea wtf was going on. I was told they were dinking around in fear and draco spawned on top of someone kiting some glare lords. somehow they ended up dragging draco into camp because of an unfortunate series of accidents they were sitting by west wall. there was like 6-8 of them from what i was told iirc. You can't kill draco with 8 people. and if they showed up on the encounter logs for draco they know they'd be in deep shit.

Apparently BDA zoned in and draco ate them. If anyone has fraps that show a different story i am happy to watch it.

For now I am satisfied with what i was told.

Quit acting like shit is so shady around here. I am a super nice person and am pretty transparent.

I also want to remind you that we don't ansewr to you. and player punishment is NOT a public matter. so take your trolling elsewhere and quit insinuating 'im playing favorites.

PureLo
02-21-2012, 07:25 PM
you don't answer to us and say it is a troll....

Ok so you ANSWER petitions based on us and make decisions BASED on our proof... so what you're saying is contradictions are high on your priority list?

Sounds like we don't have anything to do with it... you're right /sarcasm off

Tiggles
02-21-2012, 07:30 PM
you don't answer to us and say it is a troll....

Ok so you ANSWER petitions based on us and make decisions BASED on our proof... so what you're saying is contradictions are high on your priority list?

Sounds like we don't have anything to do with it... you're right /sarcasm off

Hey Scrubby VD member

If you didnt get TMO suspended you would of not gotten ragefire anyways

Just accept you are not relevent in any capacity other than just numbers to pad IB raids.

Gwence
02-21-2012, 07:34 PM
hard to believe 8 level 60's can't kill draco, ib killed him with 12-15 level 50's pretty regularly back in the day

PureLo
02-21-2012, 07:35 PM
lol hey tiggles.... BEEP wrong answer

a know it all isn't a know it all after all... friggin faggot

Amelinda
02-21-2012, 07:37 PM
you don't answer to us and say it is a troll....

Ok so you ANSWER petitions based on us and make decisions BASED on our proof... so what you're saying is contradictions are high on your priority list?

Sounds like we don't have anything to do with it... you're right /sarcasm off

i am confused as to what you are angry about. Raid suspension means you can't raid. It doesn't mean you can't go kill trash in fear and kite around. If i suspend based on people's word then how is that fair? I have to have proof. The encounter log shows no IB engaging draco during the raid.

It would be unfair to punish a guild for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

can you please spell out what you are so angry about?

Amelinda
02-21-2012, 07:38 PM
hard to believe 8 level 60's can't kill draco, ib killed him with 12-15 level 50's pretty regularly back in the day

but would they be stupid enough to risk their names showing up on the encounter log for killing draco in direct violation of being raid suspended?

Tiggles
02-21-2012, 07:41 PM
but would they be stupid enough to risk their names showing up on the encounter log for killing draco in direct violation of being raid suspended?

Depends if Perun and Eashen are in the raid

Gwence
02-21-2012, 07:52 PM
but would they be stupid enough to risk their names showing up on the encounter log for killing draco in direct violation of being raid suspended?

my statement wasnt meant to apply to any current situation was more of a thought I decided to type out.

but now that you mention it, keep your eye on Nirron please, his obcession with halfling dominance is not natural and I believe he's up to something.

DevonG
02-21-2012, 08:17 PM
Since both major raid guilds are suspended, how about getting Ninik her epic? I'm sure 80% of you have been rezzed by her at one point in time!

Give this gnome her sprinkler, yo.

PureLo
02-21-2012, 08:26 PM
excerpts

IB will be raid suspended for the next 2 weeks for raid interference that was perpetuated by your guild leadership. Be thankful no one's account is banned. Your raid suspension will end at 12:00am EST March 3rd. You may not engage ANY raid targets such as "boss mobs" (including maestro, inny, cazic and draco) in fear and hate., vox and naggy, talendor, gorenaire, sev, trak, and all 6 dragons in VP.

The above was later modified to ONE week, this i know... (continue)

You will both return to the game next Saturday without fear that I will be taking actions against your guilds as a whole for previous behavior.

That leads to what is currently being talked about between others in another thread and now also being used from myself to you... (continue)

However at this point unfortunately I felt a harsh wakeup call was the only way to achieve a change in behavior.

So those are your words NOT mine Amelinda... and from the looks of it you can't honestly sit there and tell me IB's past behavior wasn't similar to this current instance. You also can't tell me that with their past knowledge and mobilization that they had NO IDEA whatsoever that Draco was indeed IN WINDOW. Therefore, it is quite obvious they were willing to take that calculated risk of being there when he did spawn to begin with.... you say oh well wrong place wrong time, How many zones are there across norrath? How many mobs were up according to multiple sources (not enough to warrant a gear clear)? Correct me if i'm wrong, but Draco only roams a small segment of the zone... so therefore his ENGAGEMENT can easily be avoided while killing the mobs that they had on their "supposed" train.

So according to YOUR OWN words they should be treated and judged on their past behavior and with a harsh punishment. Regardless if it was "only 8 people" as Gwence said as well as many of us know, it is doable to kill draco with 8 60's and the definition of engagement obviously took place removing him from his roaming due to aggro getting him to the zone in point. The question is will you now live up to your word and punish the guild as a whole or sit back and allow them to take advantage of your "niceness".

Kole1
02-21-2012, 08:46 PM
maybe it can be killed with 8 60's.I was one of the people there, and we did not have 8 60's. Nor did we have any intention to kill him.

we had 2 lv 60 clerics, 2 rangers, (lv 60 and 51?), a lv 55 enc, a lv 60 wizard, and some naggy/vox alts including a shaman and a druid around lv 50-52.

Nothing in the zone was up but glare lords, samhains, and random shit. We were killing them, but mostly having fun.

BDA had a tracker in zone. Ambrotos didn't have such a bad perspective. The tracker was talking to us in /ooc. He knew we were there. He had to have known we were killing the things. He had to have known mobs were dropping off track if he was doing even a half ass job of tracking.

Mobs were all over the gy/WW area. We were messing around with a charmed toad. There are a variety of ways draco coulda chain aggro'd given what we were doing. But we got out of the zone as fast as we possibly could....the 2 clerics DA and gated instantly. We couldnt have wiped any faster.

TL;DR. You had a tracker in zone, knew people were messing around in zone, zoned in, had bad luck and want Amelinda to avenge a tragic wipe.

PureLo
02-21-2012, 08:57 PM
sounds like a sufficient draco force to me and more than 8 people with some of your explanation indicating a vague number.


Either way regardless of the "fiasco" and all that jazz as it is for those involved and their own personal skill, my topic is more or less about the GM's words and the "behavior" that occurred from a suspended guild in which she warned/suspended yet still happens to make a mess causing her and her new guides even more issues.

Kole1
02-21-2012, 09:08 PM
it was maybe a sufficient force with 2 clerics but not once they gate as soon as they see draco. The clerics both gated and told everyone to wipe.

The rest was bad luck. In terms of the "behavior" you speak of. From our perspective this was our behavior. Having some fun in an empty zone, we aggrod a mob. We gated and wiped. The rest was out of our hands. Besides from a damage shield or some random pet responding to AoE, I trust that not a single member of the expeditionary force that was there tried to actually damage draco.

We know we are raid suspended--do you really think we would risk anything further ? On our list of things to do last night, train the shit out of BDA and ruin their night and have them try to get us banned was not one of them.

Kole1
02-21-2012, 09:11 PM
and im done posting goodbye

Mcbard
02-21-2012, 09:19 PM
This sounds like a good plan.. also I think VD should attempt some VP dragons and nobody should train them for attempting!

Stop being assholes and spread some goodwill for a few more days! :)

Amelinda
02-21-2012, 09:22 PM
sounds like a sufficient draco force to me and more than 8 people with some of your explanation indicating a vague number.


Either way regardless of the "fiasco" and all that jazz as it is for those involved and their own personal skill, my topic is more or less about the GM's words and the "behavior" that occurred from a suspended guild in which she warned/suspended yet still happens to make a mess causing her and her new guides even more issues.

Dear Ex-Taken member & new Bad Kids member - i thought you and I were friends. Why are you *SO* *FUCKING* *MAD* at me?

If you are bitching about inconsitancies then how about this - maybe i'm fucking tired. Ever consider that? Maybe i'm exhausted and worn down and when I try to take a break I get messaged in IRC or my guides need me so they text me. Or I walk past the computer and see some tom foolery going on. I have the right to take time outside of the game but people don't fucking understand that and that's why i posted sets of rules today. So quit Dissecting everything I say, Laminin.

Sick to fucking death of people ASS uming they know what the fuck is going down. Messages from people complaining about Peruns punishment. How do you know what his punishment is. How do you know I didn't change my mind on what the punishment is? since friday it has been non-stop messages from people who are crying about their banned accounts (2-boxers) or people who are crying about being suspended or raid suspended. and people crying about shit that is just flat out none of their business. it has been ABSOLUTELY non-stop.

and i've said it several times on the forum here before. My dad JUST got out of the fucking hospital and i've been taking care of him and taking care of the server when i can. He had emergency surgery the saturday before last and he came home this past saturday. HE is my priority - not you people. And you need to quit assuming that everything i say is a broad fucking sweeping statement. If there are inconsistancies then maybe, just maybe, I'm fucking tired. Or maybe, JUST MAYBE, you are nitpicking shit to death or reading something wrong.

And do you realize how dumb you are being "OMG they were in the wrong place at the wrong time FUCKING SUSPEND THEM"

Jesus fuck. let it go.

that is the dumbest damn argument i've ever heard TBH. until i receive fraps that SHOWS Me that they were actively DPSing Draco down and raiding then i'm not going to punish them. They were in fear and Draco spawned on top of them. They did their very best to get out of the zone and not interfere with other raids.

IF they buffed a raid or helped a raid by kiting for them during the kill or killing their trash etc. or engaging the mob then i could see it.

*editing to add* yes. i'm being a bitch here. I'm sick of being attacked.

Chloroform
02-21-2012, 09:26 PM
Amalinda, if u want us to take u seriously STOP POSTING in rnf. lol

Flunklesnarkin
02-21-2012, 09:28 PM
I'd help the ninik dude out lol.. let me know if you get something going


53 cleric so i can provide a bit of help heh.

Szeth
02-21-2012, 09:39 PM
Amelinda caught my boxers with her night light. Skeelz

A wild Sean Bean appears.

Serin
02-21-2012, 10:12 PM
And do you realize how dumb you are being "OMG they were in the wrong place at the wrong time FUCKING SUSPEND THEM"

Jesus fuck. let it go.

that is the dumbest damn argument i've ever heard TBH. until i receive fraps that SHOWS Me that they were actively DPSing Draco down and raiding then i'm not going to punish them. They were in fear and Draco spawned on top of them. They did their very best to get out of the zone and not interfere with other raids.

IF they buffed a raid or helped a raid by kiting for them during the kill or killing their trash etc. or engaging the mob then i could see it.

*editing to add* yes. i'm being a bitch here. I'm sick of being attacked.



So, to get this straight.. You're saying that I can run around and lower a mob down to summoning level (in order to make it summon kiters) drag it to the zone IN.. And "gate/die" once it's there (on top of a guild that zones in).. And then have my sister-guild go in when it's clear and kill the mob..

As long as I make up a nice story about how "oops, I went linkdead while I was standing in the wrong position"

Got it.. Thanks.. That sounds perfectly reasonable!

YendorLootmonkey
02-21-2012, 10:31 PM
So, to get this straight.. You're saying that I can run around and lower a mob down to summoning level (in order to make it summon kiters) drag it to the zone IN.. And "gate/die" once it's there (on top of a guild that zones in).. And then have my sister-guild go in when it's clear and kill the mob..

As long as I make up a nice story about how "oops, I went linkdead while I was standing in the wrong position"

Got it.. Thanks.. That sounds perfectly reasonable!

Who sends an entire raid force through the Fear portal without having intel on exactly what's on the other side and whether it's safe to have everyone zone in or not? Regardless of whether IB was just goofing off, or actually had the perceived malicious intent, BDA could have avoided ALL OF THIS by sending in a FD scout like everyone else does, and letting the rest of the raid force know when it's safe to zone in.

Even if you have just cleared two hours before. CT could have re-popped the zone. Some trash that had been killed before you came into clear may have respawned. You don't know, so why risk zoning your entire raid into an unknown situation if you can help it?

Instead, it's easier to point blame and create conspiracy theories, am I right? Again, not trying to be a dick... but send a scout into Fear ahead of your raid force. Always. This is why.

Tiggles
02-21-2012, 10:32 PM
Who sends an entire raid force through the Fear portal without having intel on exactly what's on the other side and whether it's safe to have everyone zone in or not? Regardless of whether IB was just goofing off, or actually had the perceived malicious intent, BDA could have avoided ALL OF THIS by sending in a FD scout like everyone else does, and letting the rest of the raid force know when it's safe to zone in.

Even if you have just cleared two hours before. CT could have re-popped the zone. Some trash that had been killed before you came into clear may have respawned. You don't know, so why risk zoning your entire raid into an unknown situation if you can help it?

Instead, it's easier to point blame and create conspiracy theories, am I right? Again, not trying to be a dick... but send a scout into Fear ahead of your raid force. Always. This is why.


You know you done fucked up when Yendor gives you raid commentary.

YendorLootmonkey
02-21-2012, 10:40 PM
You know you done fucked up when Yendor gives you raid commentary.

LOL iknorite?

Serin
02-21-2012, 10:50 PM
Who sends an entire raid force through the Fear portal without having intel on exactly what's on the other side and whether it's safe to have everyone zone in or not? Regardless of whether IB was just goofing off, or actually had the perceived malicious intent, BDA could have avoided ALL OF THIS by sending in a FD scout like everyone else does, and letting the rest of the raid force know when it's safe to zone in.

Even if you have just cleared two hours before. CT could have re-popped the zone. Some trash that had been killed before you came into clear may have respawned. You don't know, so why risk zoning your entire raid into an unknown situation if you can help it?

Instead, it's easier to point blame and create conspiracy theories, am I right? Again, not trying to be a dick... but send a scout into Fear ahead of your raid force. Always. This is why.

Oh, you mean the same reason that VD had no trackers in zone, but Mysteriously knew exactly that draco was up?

HRMMMM WONDER HOW VD FIGURED THAT OUT GAIZ? Anybody have any idea? I certainly don't..

Oh, not to mention the fact that the competition plays by shitty "First to engage" rules and acts like bitchy little girls over crap loot that always requires gms to spend at least a month trying to figure out what exactly happened?

Why would anyone zone their forces into a raid zone while those rules apply.. I haven't the foggiest.. I mean seriously guys.. WHY would someone zone into a zone to kill a raid mob when that's the way the server handles raid mobs??

Not to mention, Why IB was in a zone that has pretty much nothing but raid content anyway? I mean.. I could understand dicking around in KC, or say.. EJ, or DL, Even Seb, or Permafrost, or solb.. or any of the other zones that raid mobs just so happen to spawn in.. But fear? Most guilds I know bring at least 2-3 groups to fear..

YendorLootmonkey
02-21-2012, 11:06 PM
Oh, you mean the same reason that VD had no trackers in zone, but Mysteriously knew exactly that draco was up?

HRMMMM WONDER HOW VD FIGURED THAT OUT GAIZ? Anybody have any idea? I certainly don't.

Because this is the first time ever in the history of Everquest that one guild has told another guild that a mob was up. I didn't realize sharing information was unethical or wrong? No one was sure complaining about TMO sharing all the raid target window information with anyone, right?


Oh, not to mention the fact that the competition plays by shitty "First to engage" rules and acts like bitchy little girls over crap loot that always requires gms to spend at least a month trying to figure out what exactly happened?


Um, do you mean, the server raid rules (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=14667) by which we're all bound?

The rules of engagement for raid bosses on Project 1999 are First to Engage (FTE) in any situation that is not covered below.

Why would anyone zone their forces into a raid zone while those rules apply.. I haven't the foggiest.. I mean seriously guys.. WHY would someone zone into a zone to kill a raid mob when that's the way the server handles raid mobs??

It takes ten seconds to zone in someone that can FD in advance of the raid force to make sure the zone-in is clear and nothing fishy is going on. Come on now.

Not to mention, Why IB was in a zone that has pretty much nothing but raid content anyway? I mean.. I could understand dicking around in KC, or say.. EJ, or DL, Even Seb, or Permafrost, or solb.. or any of the other zones that raid mobs just so happen to spawn in.. But fear? Most guilds I know bring at least 2-3 groups to fear..

The raid content of CT and Draco were not up at the time they were dicking around. Some classes can SOLO in Fear, especially if there's only a few mobs up as it is.

Seriously, stop looking for conspiracy theories. We didn't go apeshit on you when you trained Trakanon on us while we were recovering from our first attempt. We knew that was unintentional.

Serin
02-21-2012, 11:20 PM
Because this is the first time ever in the history of Everquest that one guild has told another guild that a mob was up. I didn't realize sharing information was unethical or wrong? No one was sure complaining about TMO sharing all the raid target window information with anyone, right?



Um, do you mean, the server raid rules (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=14667) by which we're all bound?

The rules of engagement for raid bosses on Project 1999 are First to Engage (FTE) in any situation that is not covered below.



It takes ten seconds to zone in someone that can FD in advance of the raid force to make sure the zone-in is clear and nothing fishy is going on. Come on now.



The raid content of CT and Draco were not up at the time they were dicking around. Some classes can SOLO in Fear, especially if there's only a few mobs up as it is.

Seriously, stop looking for conspiracy theories. We didn't go apeshit on you when you trained Trakanon on us while we were recovering from our first attempt. We knew that was unintentional.

So, it's suddenly a conspiracy theory when a guilds who is known for training and other unethical practices.. and are currently BANNED for their unethical practices.. Send a message to a guild who is KNOWN to raid in conjunction with them and "ACCIDENTALLY" train a competing guild..

Man, That's reaching so far into my asshole to pull that idea together.. I think I felt my teeth where that idea came from.. I mean.. Perish the thought that a guild that is KNOWN for unethical behavior acts unethically.. I bet you believe that all politicians are honorbound to tell the truth too..

To be perfectly honest.. VD could've handled it differently.. "Oh, You were trained by IB.. Here, we'll give you a shot at the mob considering we've picked up 9/10 other raid targets in the past 2 days" .. Instead, VD walks over a raid-force worth of corpses, and kills the mob..

Which leads to the conclusion that IB was either working on their own to Screw over anyone but their partner, or that VD just enjoys squirting a water + vinegar mixture into ladies nether regions..

Heebee
02-21-2012, 11:23 PM
Back on topic - how about that epic for Ninik?

Flunklesnarkin
02-21-2012, 11:36 PM
Who sends an entire raid force through the Fear portal without having intel on exactly what's on the other side and whether it's safe to have everyone zone in or not?


I would


but i hate my exp bar..


I'm trying to teach it a lesson.

arsenalpow
02-22-2012, 12:09 AM
We had a tracker on the other side in fear and an officer sitting at west wall who gave the all clear. Then IB showed up with Draco. If IB were trying to camp out or clear aggro why would they train to the portal? Why not head for the zone out or just gate? It's not some conspiracy but when looking at the entire situation from the BDA side could you see how we might think something was fishy?

It's all irrelevant at this point, what's done is done.

Best of luck in your next raid encounters.

YendorLootmonkey
02-22-2012, 12:16 AM
We had a tracker on the other side in fear and an officer sitting at west wall who gave the all clear. Then IB showed up with Draco. If IB were trying to camp out or clear aggro why would they train to the portal? Why not head for the zone out or just gate? It's not some conspiracy but when looking at the entire situation from the BDA side could you see how we might think something was fishy?

It's all irrelevant at this point, what's done is done.

Best of luck in your next raid encounters.

/salute

Let us know if you need extra bodies if Ragefire pops at a weird time when it's your turn!

PureLo
02-22-2012, 12:20 AM
LOL at how someone has to PM false information to Amelinda to try and sneak their way into her good graces because she can't fathom an intellectual response herself nor do those people have the BALLS to post themselves in an effort to discuss the matter.

If you think you have who i am figured out and it makes you sleep better at night, nice try the trick is on you. Go back on your past experiences with said person who you claim to be friends with and see if they relate to the person you are talking to now? If that doesn't appear to be the case then guess what it probably isn't.

Regardless when someone is suspended or "on parole" usually that generates a NO TOLERANCE policy in which you yourself said you were done being regarded as a pushover and things would change.... kolevii guess what apparently you WERE willing to take that calculated risk because it indeed happened did it not?

If you all want to try and manipulate the facts and redefine the meaning of terms that have been understood by the masses since the years of live everquest and this server's birth... by all means go for it just make sure you specify it so the rest of us can know.

Amelinda if you care to bring your RL into this GAME forum that is your own fault. Take care of your RL instead of trying to blame everything on everyone else... the fact is if you are treating this like a job then DO IT and if you are tired of it QUIT. Obviously the stress isn't worth it or eliminate the point of stress which are the people you are letting off the hook constantly.

So if you want to keep having to defend yourself... prove yourself... or solve tiresome issues, by all means continue to allow an escape route for the unethical behavior to continue to ravage the environment or better yet go take care of your RL so you don't even have to worry about it... TURN THE COMPUTER OFF.

Heebee
02-22-2012, 12:31 AM
How about that epic for Ninik?

HeallunRumblebelly
02-22-2012, 01:26 AM
Rezzed the server for years damnit :P I just don't have the cutesy attitude, arg...

Also, Wiggles. Wiggles been rezzin bout longer than anybody, though I don't see them around as much.

Furthermore, we'd rez more people if they brought back our global ooc and 7 day rez timers /whistle.

Autotune
02-22-2012, 05:01 AM
Lilyanna (sp) of whatever of VD told me that it is unfair for IB and TMO to have more epics than VD

Which in turn makes it unfair for all other guilds


perhaps for VD's line of fairness, the rotation should go

IB>TMO>VD>Taken>BDA>Div

Seeing how IB has set the bar on cleric epics, they will be skipped first

TMO will epic clerics until they meat IB's #
VD will epic until they meet IBs #
then Taken, then bda then div.


Ninik should start before this giving Div their 1st.

After everyone has equal numbers to IB's cleric epics, then start the rotation off. with IB leading and going 1-1-1-1-1-1-1

This is based off what lilyanna has told me is the reasoning the rotation would not start.

In the end, after each rotation, every guild will have the same exact number of epics.

Diggles
02-22-2012, 05:03 AM
meat

Autotune
02-22-2012, 05:07 AM
meat

yeah, i've not been correcting typos.

oducks.

Rachner
02-22-2012, 05:25 AM
In the end, after each rotation, every guild will have the same exact number of epics.

This sounds like communism to me.

lilyanna
02-22-2012, 06:13 AM
Lilyanna (sp) of whatever of VD told me that it is unfair for IB and TMO to have more epics than VD

Which in turn makes it unfair for all other guilds


perhaps for VD's line of fairness, the rotation should go

IB>TMO>VD>Taken>BDA>Div

Seeing how IB has set the bar on cleric epics, they will be skipped first

TMO will epic clerics until they meat IB's #
VD will epic until they meet IBs #
then Taken, then bda then div.


Ninik should start before this giving Div their 1st.

After everyone has equal numbers to IB's cleric epics, then start the rotation off. with IB leading and going 1-1-1-1-1-1-1

This is based off what lilyanna has told me is the reasoning the rotation would not start.

In the end, after each rotation, every guild will have the same exact number of epics.

Lol you sure twisted things there didn't you, but then I expected that :)

OngorDrakan
02-22-2012, 01:49 PM
Those of you arguing are so full of your fucking selves. This was about helping Ninik get her Epic. Not about your stupid bullshit. Make another thread you dicks. You people are so self absorbed about your god damn pixels you made this thread about YOU!! Quit the fucking game you scum. You've LOST the game. :(

Truth
02-22-2012, 01:50 PM
you tell em Im fucking pissed off now

OngorDrakan
02-22-2012, 02:01 PM
Back on topic - how about that epic for Ninik?

OngorDrakan
02-22-2012, 02:03 PM
LOL at how someone has to PM false information to Amelinda to try and sneak their way into her good graces because she can't fathom an intellectual response herself nor do those people have the BALLS to post themselves in an effort to discuss the matter.

If you think you have who i am figured out and it makes you sleep better at night, nice try the trick is on you. Go back on your past experiences with said person who you claim to be friends with and see if they relate to the person you are talking to now? If that doesn't appear to be the case then guess what it probably isn't.

Regardless when someone is suspended or "on parole" usually that generates a NO TOLERANCE policy in which you yourself said you were done being regarded as a pushover and things would change.... kolevii guess what apparently you WERE willing to take that calculated risk because it indeed happened did it not?

If you all want to try and manipulate the facts and redefine the meaning of terms that have been understood by the masses since the years of live everquest and this server's birth... by all means go for it just make sure you specify it so the rest of us can know.

Amelinda if you care to bring your RL into this GAME forum that is your own fault. Take care of your RL instead of trying to blame everything on everyone else... the fact is if you are treating this like a job then DO IT and if you are tired of it QUIT. Obviously the stress isn't worth it or eliminate the point of stress which are the people you are letting off the hook constantly.

So if you want to keep having to defend yourself... prove yourself... or solve tiresome issues, by all means continue to allow an escape route for the unethical behavior to continue to ravage the environment or better yet go take care of your RL so you don't even have to worry about it... TURN THE COMPUTER OFF.

Nice try troll.

You all know Rogean, nilbog, and Amelinda could just send you all packing. It's not YOUR server folks. It's theirs. I'd suggest you shape up or GTFO. Could really clean the server up if we got rid of you worthless scum suckers. :cool:

Writ3r
02-23-2012, 05:04 PM
Seems he was successful they were confirmed mad and banned him for trying to do good by holding her accountable for her own words. Try and learn the facts before speaking like a little idiot there ongor, if you paid any attention he wanted to further the prevention of scum ruining this server in game by trying to back up the words the GM stood by at one point then shy'd away from scrub.

OngorDrakan
02-24-2012, 12:44 AM
u mad?

JoeBob
02-25-2012, 04:24 AM
Writ3r confirmed Correct, Amelinda confirmed mad about outing her secret persona.
Confirmed supporter of BS on the server she lets said guilds pull.