Proposal to the TMO leadership

[Calabee]

get whoever has leads to <Rants and Flames> to pass you leadership, and disband the old tmo tag imo.

Would be much more fitting :P

[Calabee]

hmmk, guess i cant < > on the boards. that was sposed to be Rants and Flames in between the to's ~_~

[Fazlazen]

es tu sur l'acide calabee ?

[Ele]

que?

[bizzum]

何だ

[Shannacore]

I am the leader of Rants & Flames.



So, no.

[Diggles]

I am the leader of Rants & Flames.



So, no.

MASTER HAS SPOKEN

[Tiggles]

Another quality post from a member of VD

Guess you guys plenty of free time to post in RnF now that you cant kill anything anymore.

[Mystro]

Another quality post from a member of VD

Guess you guys plenty of free time to post in RnF now that you cant kill anything anymore.

Sick burn.

Think of that all day while sitting home on your fat unemployed ass?

Pass the cheese please

[Shannacore]

Tiggles has a pretty baller job iirc

[Tiggles]

Sick burn.

Think of that all day while sitting home on your fat unemployed ass?

Pass the cheese please

This dudes mad IB used him and his guild up then dropped them to the curb like the trash they are.

Tiggles has a pretty baller job iirc

Are you seriously playing on red?

[Shannacore]

This dudes mad IB used him and his guild up then dropped them to the curb like the trash they are.



Are you seriously playing on red?

Yessir.

Level 18 ~

[Slippery]

Yessir.

Level 18 ~

if you run into a 17/18 de necro, you know its me and you betta start runnin ^-^

[Szeth]

or turn and kill him

[Silentone]

wtf does that even mean. wtb normal engrwish

[quido]

que?

[Shannacore]

if you run into a 17/18 de necro, you know its me and you betta start runnin ^-^

Pretty sure you killed me about two days ago.

[Szeth]

Pretty sure you killed me about two days ago.

SS or didnt happen

[Tiggles]

No one ever gets fairly killed in PVP

Its either afk,zerg,hacks etc

[Gwence]

Another quality post from a member of VD

Guess you guys plenty of free time to post in RnF now that you cant kill anything anymore.

you're pretty much the last person on the planet that should be commenting on post quality

[Alarti0001]

you're pretty much the last person on the planet that should be commenting on post quality

pretty much....but gwence would be the absolute last

[quido]

Gwence likes bugs.

[Gwence]

I am judge, jury, and executioner in these parts.

[Szeth]

what about litigation GWENCE?!

[Paumad]

get whoever has leads to Rants and Flames to pass you leadership, and disband the old tmo tag imo.

Would be much more fitting :P

I would say it as much chance of happening as VD raiding on their own.

Salut Culprit! :p

[Shiftin]

Like when they killed almost every raid mob in one night at non-us prime time without help the weekend vp opened? Pretending today's VD is the same as 9 months ago VD is like comparing today's TMO with prekunark TMO - completely moronic. Your pride, childish stubbornness and lack of situational awareness has led you to make some incredibly -EV decisions lately.

It's actually objectively really funny.

[Paumad]

Yes Shiftin, let's have that argument again. VD is a fully capable raid guild, noone denies that, except themselves. I'll just state the obvious for you again. Killing is not = competing.
Please continue to bring good points to RnF where the decisions are made and the trolling important, and do so while calling everyone a moron
I'm like actually objectively super syrius.

[Slippery]

Pretty sure you killed me about two days ago.

bwahahahaha

<3

[Shiftin]

Yes Shiftin, let's have that argument again. VD is a fully capable raid guild, noone denies that, except themselves. I'll just state the obvious for you again. Killing is not = competing.
Please continue to bring good points to RnF where the decisions are made and the trolling important, and do so while calling everyone a moron
I'm like actually objectively super syrius.

First, the underlined is 100% contradictory to what your guildleader has said every time we've come to the negotiating table, so quit pretending that's your stance as a guild. You're an officer and you know this full well.

The bolded is a silly fallacy for the very specific reason that mobs don't spawn in a linear fashion here. You've devalued and put down a guild that is completely capable of killing *anything* you can. Meaning, that by leaving them out of the agreement, if you're busy somewhere, they can and will kill anything you had rights to. Want to poopsock inny and your PD spawns? You really think the 30+ keyed VD can't kill your phara? Just because they haven't been provoked enough in the past doesn't mean they won't be in the future. It's already happened with Trak. VD has 2 server firsts on epics. They are an extremely tight knit group that's far more capable than you want to admit.

Six months ago, the literal majority of your raid force was sub 60 and 2/3 of you would get feared vs any dragon you faced. Two months ago you were still wiping to your own draco trains with fifty people. If you're going to claim to be the strongest guild on the server (lol), then you have to also admit that a guild can progress amazingly fast in a short period of time. If you would think more than 30 minutes ahead, this may lead you to realize why pretending VD isn't a threat is amazingly short sighted.

I'm sorry I only post with logic and cogent arguments, regardless of what name is on the forum. I was a teenager when EQ was released, and while I may have been immature then, as a functioning adult, I don't enjoy or think it's worth my time to post nonsense for the express purpose of making people angry. I don't get off on that like so many here do.

If you want to have the discussion somewhere else besides RNF i'm happy to do it. We tried to make all these points to your fearless leader, but he didn't have any interest in talking until we trained him back to 59, something i'm happy to make a weekly scheduled raid until he quits or stops acting like a 3 year old. Your guildleader claimed in our first attempt at extending the rotation that despite your members ninja looting ragefire (jan 12) and innoruuk (december 24th) and memblurring talendor (december 31), your guild has "broken no rules" recently. I'd love to know how you want us to approach someone with so little self awareness, because he's made it clear over and over again that he's happy to pretend the rules don't exist (see: vox a few days ago, he was leading the raid on Ivandyr that resulted in your suspensions) and only responds to a show of force.

[Autotune]

First, the underlined is 100% contradictory to what your guildleader has said every time we've come to the negotiating table, so quit pretending that's your stance as a guild. You're an officer and you know this full well.

The bolded is a silly fallacy for the very specific reason that mobs don't spawn in a linear fashion here. You've devalued and put down a guild that is completely capable of killing *anything* you can. Meaning, that by leaving them out of the agreement, if you're busy somewhere, they can and will kill anything you had rights to. Want to poopsock inny and your PD spawns? You really think the 30+ keyed VD can't kill your phara? Just because they haven't been provoked enough in the past doesn't mean they won't be in the future. It's already happened with Trak. VD has 2 server firsts on epics. They are an extremely tight knit group that's far more capable than you want to admit.

Six months ago, the literal majority of your raid force was sub 60 and 2/3 of you would get feared vs any dragon you faced. Two months ago you were still wiping to your own draco trains with fifty people. If you're going to claim to be the strongest guild on the server (lol), then you have to also admit that a guild can progress amazingly fast in a short period of time. If you would think more than 30 minutes ahead, this may lead you to realize why pretending VD isn't a threat is amazingly short sighted.

I'm sorry I only post with logic and cogent arguments, regardless of what name is on the forum. I was a teenager when EQ was released, and while I may have been immature then, as a functioning adult, I don't enjoy or think it's worth my time to post nonsense for the express purpose of making people angry. I don't get off on that like so many here do.

If you want to have the discussion somewhere else besides RNF i'm happy to do it. We tried to make all these points to your fearless leader, but he didn't have any interest in talking until we trained him back to 59, something i'm happy to make a weekly scheduled raid until he quits or stops acting like a 3 year old. Your guildleader claimed in our first attempt at extending the rotation that despite your members ninja looting ragefire (jan 12) and innoruuk (december 24th) and memblurring talendor (december 31), your guild has "broken no rules" recently. I'd love to know how you want us to approach someone with so little self awareness, because he's made it clear over and over again that he's happy to pretend the rules don't exist (see: vox a few days ago, he was leading the raid on Ivandyr that resulted in your suspensions) and only responds to a show of force.

TL;DR

[Diggles]

nerd alert

[Paumad]

Holy shit man, holy shit. That is exactly why there is no talk at all, because everything is always twisted one way or another.

I mean, in your wall of text, there isn't a single line that isn't TMO hating, and I won't spend the time quoting and making a counter argument for everything you said. You, as in IB, have broken as many rules as we have. You are not objective, and speaking to you would probably prove as useful as dealing with Swarws. If you were actually not so biased and bashing, I would take that time, out of here. But despite what you say, you are trolling even more than I am.

There is one point I agree on, that is VD is capable of killing anything they want, and we are fully aware of it. We know we will have to compete and that we will lose some juicy targets. We've always done so, against you, and now against you and VD.

My point is, they are not acting as a third party, just an extention of IB. They chose to only raid agaisnt us hence why they are where they are now (which isn't so bad, quit the qq'ing). You on the other hand, can have your uncontested VP and Trak rounds as competing adults amirite, and keep feeding VD with loots and some more anti-TMO feelings. Mostly simply because they've never experienced raiding against you and probably will never chose to (you are the great p99 white knigths afterall, nothing like TR). Until they do that, don't expect us to give them the respect they'd rightfully deserve if they fought their way up by themselves.

[Paumad]

Fuck that I'll quote you afterall


Six months ago, the literal majority of your raid force was sub 60 and 2/3 of you would get feared vs any dragon you faced. Two months ago you were still wiping to your own draco trains with fifty people.

News for you: we still do although with a little less people to be honest. Oh, and you do too.

[Alarti0001]

Holy shit man, holy shit. That is exactly why there is no talk at all, because everything is always twisted one way or another.

I mean, in your wall of text, there isn't a single line that isn't TMO hating, and I won't spend the time quoting and making a counter argument for everything you said. You, as in IB, have broken as many rules as we have. You are not objective, and speaking to you would probably prove as useful as dealing with Swarws. If you were actually not so biased and bashing, I would take that time, out of here. But despite what you say, you are trolling even more than I am.

There is one point I agree on, that is VD is capable of killing anything they want, and we are fully aware of it. We know we will have to compete and that we will lose some juicy targets. We've always done so, against you, and now against you and VD.

My point is, they are not acting as a third party, just an extention of IB. They chose to only raid agaisnt us hence why they are where they are now (which isn't so bad, quit the qq'ing). You on the other hand, can have your uncontested VP and Trak rounds as competing adults amirite, and keep feeding VD with loots and some more anti-TMO feelings. Mostly simply because they've never experienced raiding against you and probably will never chose to (you are the great p99 white knigths afterall, nothing like TR). Until they do that, don't expect us to give them the respect they'd rightfully deserve if they fought their way up by themselves.


We should just ally with some feeder guild give them all those loot we don't need and keys to harrass ib rotation targets.....personally I am against all rotations

[Dravingar]

We should just ally with some feeder guild give them all those loot we don't need and keys to harrass ib rotation targets.....personally I am against all rotations

It's hard to ally with a feeder guild when you already are one.

[Xatava]

It's hard to ally with a feeder guild when you already are one.

Interesting if true

[Splorf22]

Holy shit man, holy shit. That is exactly why there is no talk at all, because everything is always twisted one way or another.

I mean, in your wall of text, there isn't a single line that isn't TMO hating, and I won't spend the time quoting and making a counter argument for everything you said. You, as in IB, have broken as many rules as we have. You are not objective, and speaking to you would probably prove as useful as dealing with Swarws. If you were actually not so biased and bashing, I would take that time, out of here. But despite what you say, you are trolling even more than I am.

There is one point I agree on, that is VD is capable of killing anything they want, and we are fully aware of it. We know we will have to compete and that we will lose some juicy targets. We've always done so, against you, and now against you and VD.

My point is, they are not acting as a third party, just an extention of IB. They chose to only raid agaisnt us hence why they are where they are now (which isn't so bad, quit the qq'ing). You on the other hand, can have your uncontested VP and Trak rounds as competing adults amirite, and keep feeding VD with loots and some more anti-TMO feelings. Mostly simply because they've never experienced raiding against you and probably will never chose to (you are the great p99 white knigths afterall, nothing like TR). Until they do that, don't expect us to give them the respect they'd rightfully deserve if they fought their way up by themselves.

I can't believe I'm being drawn into the RnF whirlpool but you seem to be a smart guy. I totally understand this point of view too, that VD/IB looks like 1 megaguild (similar to DA/TMO premerger perhaps), and that VD generally speaking hasn't raced to targets successfully (we can kill them, but our mobilization is somewhat slower).

Here is my question: how do you guys expect to get more raid mobs without a rotation? If a TMO Trakanon spawns every 6 days and is in window for 18 hours on average, that means your mains are going to be stuck on poop mountain 15% of the time. It's hard to imagine that you are going to beat IB/VD to mobs like Gore, Tal, Sev, Cazic, Inny, Maestro, or Draco without your mains (I know Faz has 3+ max toons but not everyone in your guild does). So if we assume you beat VD 9/10 on Trak you're going to get 45% of Trakanons instead of 33%, which you guys are getting 1 extra Trak every 8 weeks in exchange for losing 1 raid target every week with your mains camped out.

Even if we assume that you guys just LOVE camping your mains out on poop mountain, it still seems like you're coming out behind just on pure quantity of loot. And if you are trying to keep us out of VP, it's basically too late. We're up to like 30 keyed members and could already probably kill some of the easier dragons. So regardless of how you feel about VD as a guild, breaking the rotation just doesn't make sense to me.

[quido]

Let's see how long IB's Trakanons remain uncontested while ours are being contested =)

[Autotune]

tmo alliance with BDA ! you heard it here first

change BDA to Taken and you might be on to something. I like Taken.

[Diggles]

no truce with the shaeredo

[Autotune]

he's been gone from taken, that's why I like them lol.

[Diggles]

statement still stands

[Autotune]

reporting peak's avatar for nudity.

[Szeth]

Let's see how long IB's Trakanons remain uncontested while ours are being contested =)

Hope you're a TMO officer making threats like that. Didn't take long for the true colors to show.

[Autotune]

I can't believe I'm being drawn into the RnF whirlpool but you seem to be a smart guy. I totally understand this point of view too, that VD/IB looks like 1 megaguild (similar to DA/TMO premerger perhaps), and that VD generally speaking hasn't raced to targets successfully (we can kill them, but our mobilization is somewhat slower).

Here is my question: how do you guys expect to get more raid mobs without a rotation? If a TMO Trakanon spawns every 6 days and is in window for 18 hours on average, that means your mains are going to be stuck on poop mountain 15% of the time. It's hard to imagine that you are going to beat IB/VD to mobs like Gore, Tal, Sev, Cazic, Inny, Maestro, or Draco without your mains (I know Faz has 3+ max toons but not everyone in your guild does). So if we assume you beat VD 9/10 on Trak you're going to get 45% of Trakanons instead of 33%, which you guys are getting 1 extra Trak every 8 weeks in exchange for losing 1 raid target every week with your mains camped out.

Even if we assume that you guys just LOVE camping your mains out on poop mountain, it still seems like you're coming out behind just on pure quantity of loot. And if you are trying to keep us out of VP, it's basically too late. We're up to like 30 keyed members and could already probably kill some of the easier dragons. So regardless of how you feel about VD as a guild, breaking the rotation just doesn't make sense to me.

to some of us, it isn't all about the loot. I know to some, that just seems crazy, but just thought I'd throw that out there.

(I mean really aren't all about the loot, not some of that silly BS that a few people like to say and then run to put their names beside as much of it as they can first)

But while ur on numbers, if it's not that much of a difference loot wise (for people who seem to obviously care about it a great deal) why are so many upset about the new revision? Is it because you actually have to work for it now?

[M.Bison]

Let's see how long IB's Trakanons remain uncontested while ours are being contested =)

Sounds like some ppl in your guild do care about loot. But keep that spin going anyway. http://img-cache.cdn.gaiaonline.com/111678ca5e647e58dd1242e10644e7e5/http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs32/f/2008/227/5/6/Sonic_Spin_by_char97.gif

[quido]

Hope you're a TMO officer making threats like that. Didn't take long for the true colors to show.

I am a TMO officer, but that is irrelevant in this discussion here. I was just talking about this with Diggle in IRC, actually. I don't speak for TMO, but this is my personal stance and I'm pretty sure I could get most of the guild behind me. Unless you guys aren't raiding together, it's one and the same to me whether it's IB or VD contesting our Trakanons. Y'all force us to camp in the lair for long and we might just stay there!

[Autotune]

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[Szeth]

You say you think you can get everyone behind you Jeremy, but I know some of your member claim publicly that they will *NEVER* camp at the ledge again.

Splitting TMO into factions seems like a great idea!

[Autotune]

"What we've got here is failure to communicate
Some men you just can't reach...
So, you get what we had here last week
Which is the way he wants it!
Well, he gets it!
N' I don't like it any more than you men" *
(whistle)

Look at your young men fighting
Look at your women crying
Look at your young men dying
The way they've always done before

Look at the hate we're breeding
Look at the fear we're feeding
Look at the lives we're leading
The way we've always done before

My hands are tied
The billions shift from side to side
And the wars go on with brainwashed pride
For the love of god and our human rights
And all these things are swept aside
By bloody hands time can't deny
And are washed away by your genocide
And history hides the lies of our civil wars

D'you wear a black armband
When they shot the man
Who said "peace could last forever"
And in my first memories
They shot Kennedy
I went numb when I learned to see
So I never fell for Vietnam
We got the wall of D.C. to remind us all
That you can't trust freedom
When it's not in your hands
When everybody's fightin'
For their promised land
And

I don't need your civil war
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor
Your power hungry sellin' soldiers
In a human grocery store
Ain't that fresh
I don't need your civil war
Ow, oh no, no, no, no, no

Look at the shoes you're filling
Look at the blood we're spilling
Look at the world we're killing
The way we've always done before
Look in the doubt we've wallowed
Look at the leaders we've followed
Look at the lies we've swallowed
And I don't want to hear no more

My hands are tied
For all I've seen has changed my mind
But still the wars go on as the years go by
With no love of god or human rights
'Cause all these dreams are swept aside
By bloody hands of the hypnotized
Who carry the cross of homicide
And history bears the scars of our civil wars

"We practice selective annihilation of mayors and
Government officials for example to create a vacuum
Then we fill that vacuum as popular war advantage
Peace is closer" **

I don't need your civil war
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor
Your power hungry sellin' soldiers
In a human grocery store
Ain't that fresh
And I don't need your civil war
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
I don't need your civil war
I don't need your civil war
Your power hungry sellin' soldiers
In a human grocery store
Ain't that fresh
I don't need your civil war
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no uh-oh-uh, no uh-oh, uh no
I don't need one more war

I don't need one more war
No, no, no, no uh-oh-uh, no uh-oh, uh no
Whaz so civil 'bout war anyway?
(whistle)

[quido]

Szeth you seem kind of dense to me.

You can say whatever you like about it; I don't really care. Not everyone employs my level of resolve, but enough people do that I doubt we'll have to camp the ledge without you for very long. Nobody likes it, but we're willing to do what is necessary to take that which we desire. However much we dislike it, Szeth, I'm pretty sure people on your end will dislike it more. Don't doubt how willing we are to throw it all in the crapper and go back to the mattresses, in the face of a bum deal, that is.

If you people know what's good for you, you won't be as dense as Szeth here.

[M.Bison]

in the face of a bum deal.

Lol, the same "bum deal" your leadership insisted upon. Who is the dense one?

[Autotune]

Szeth you seem kind of dense to me.

You can say whatever you like about it; I don't really care. Not everyone employs my level of resolve, but enough people do that I doubt we'll have to camp the ledge without you for very long. Nobody likes it, but we're willing to do what is necessary to take that which we desire. However much we dislike it, Szeth, I'm pretty sure people on your end will dislike it more. Don't doubt how willing we are to throw it all in the crapper and go back to the mattresses, in the face of a bum deal, that is.

If you people know what's good for you, you won't be as dense as Szeth here.

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[quido]

Lol, the same "bum deal" your leadership insisted upon. Who is the dense one?

Minyin doesn't like what he's hearing. I can't blame him. Minyin, tell me: how badly do you personally want to go back to FFA Trakanon and possibly FFA VP? Try to gauge your relative interest against mine, then report your findings here.

This last agreement, if you don't know, was sort of hastily decided; no real specifics were hashed out. There's not even a tentative expiration on it. So if you dolts think that you can force us camp in the lair while you turkeys get off Scot free, lol you better think again. I'll beat VD on that race a few times just for the sheer fun of it and to prove a point, but just be honest with yourself for a minute here and think about how this one could pan out...

Maybe we should just all drop TMO and enlist in <The Medulla Oblongata> to contest "your" Trakanons! That makes it ok right?

I think it's kind of pathetic how badly you guys need each other at this point. Your efforts lack dignity.

So, to disclaim again - I do not speak for TMO. It is possible that I am the only person in the guild who feels this way! I am merely advising you(everybody) to think about the consequences of your actions =)

[Szeth]

So to disclaim again - I do not speak for TMO. It is possible that I am the only person in the guild who feels this way!

Before you were confident that you could get most if not all behind you. It's only been a few hours, why so unsure now?

[quido]

I always forget that my guild names get killed because of HTML =( In the third paragraph above I am suggesting the possibility of enlisting in a guild called "The Medulla Oblongata."

[quido]

Before you were confident that you could get most if not all behind you. It's only been a few hours, why so unsure now?

God Szeth, you are fucking dumb. I'm no less confident now. I am simply acknowledging the (minute) possibility that I am entirely wrong.

durrrr

Szeth, however stupid you are and no matter your shitty reading comprehension, I doubt not that you fully realize the lengths to which we will go to get that which we desire.

Don't believe me? Fucking try me. I can smell your guild's fear.

[Autotune]

I don't want to go back to Trak lair tbh. It sucks the hardcore.

However, all the big talk from VD has kinda sparked my interest. I may have to go down there and see just how serious these clowns are.

I'm torn :(


I do find it somewhat funny that IB's alt/feeder guild is allowed to compete on rotation targets tho.

[visage]

I don't want to go back to Trak lair tbh. It sucks the hardcore.

However, all the big talk from VD has kinda sparked my interest. I may have to go down there and see just how serious these clowns are.

I'm torn :(


I do find it somewhat funny that IB's alt/feeder guild is allowed to compete on rotation targets tho.

^^^ LOL Class A: Fat nerd...

[Autotune]

^^^ LOL Class A: Fat nerd...

Fat bad faggot bastard, go away, no one wants to play with your tiny penis.

[visage]

Fat bad faggot bastard, go away, no one wants to play with your tiny penis.

^^^ still mad and no I ain't fat plenty of pics to prove. My penis is rather small tho only 6 1/2 =(

[Autotune]

^^^ still mad and no I ain't fat plenty of pics to prove. My penis is rather small tho only 6 1/2 =(

your outer appearance means shit, you're fucking mentally fat in degrees considered un-measurable. Your mentality needs a diet.

[visage]

your outer appearance means shit, you're fucking mentally fat in degrees considered un-measurable. Your mentality needs a diet.

LOL you mean , your fat and your mom always told you it's what inside that count's amirite? =P

[M.Bison]

So you would trade having to compete against 1 guild against everything, VD, a guild that TMO has already openly stated wont be a challenge. To having to compete against 2 guilds on everything? LOL that's even more of a "bum deal" staring your in the face.

To be fair, it has nothing to do with my relative interest in this against yours. Rather it is our guilds relative interest that are being matched, and your guild stands to lose a lot more out of FFA'ing every target than either VD or IB.

[Autotune]

So you would trade having to compete against 1 guild against everything, VD, a guild that TMO has already openly stated wont be a challenge. To having to compete against 2 guilds on everything? LOL that's even more of a "bum deal" staring your in the face.

To be fair, it has nothing to do with my relative interest in this against yours. Rather it is our guilds relative interest that are being matched, and your guild stands to lose a lot more out of FFA'ing every target than either VD or IB.

ah yes, this agreement was agreed upon by VD and IB for the benefit of TMO. It's all so clear now. Thank you for being the kind, gentle, loving e-people that you are.

[visage]

So you would trade having to compete against 1 guild against everything, VD, a guild that TMO has already openly stated wont be a challenge. To having to compete against 2 guilds on everything? LOL that's even more of a "bum deal" staring your in the face.

To be fair, it has nothing to do with my relative interest in this against yours. Rather it is our guilds relative interest that are being matched, and your guild stands to lose a lot more out of FFA'ing every target than either VD or IB.

LOL ^^^ Your even worse than Stealin. Your in IB the most known cheating guild on project 1999. I can't even believe you would fly that guild name still and think it's still cool. I guess if you like being known as someone who get's pounded in the ass by a 12 year old game. In essence just tell your butt buddies ( aside from Swarws) < she is a good wife> to keep suckin the Dev cock some more. RMTRS!

[quido]

Sounds to me like it should be an easy choice for you then!! For e are but humble paupers at the mercy of your generosity in granting us a rotation in which only our rotation mobs get contested by a "third" party!

I'm going to sleep. I wish you all a wonderful day. To my pals in IB and VD, I wish you an extra super awesome wonderful day!

[M.Bison]

ah yes, this agreement was agreed upon by VD and IB for the benefit of TMO. It's all so clear now. Thank you for being the kind, gentle, loving e-people that you are.

This agreement was agreed upon between IB and TMO, at TMO's demand actually. Please direct your passive aggressive comments towards the people responsible, TMO leadership.

[Autotune]

This agreement was agreed upon between IB and TMO, at TMO's demand actually. Please direct your passive aggressive comments towards the people responsible, TMO leadership.



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[visage]

This agreement was agreed upon between IB and TMO, at TMO's demand actually. Please direct your passive aggressive comments towards the people responsible, TMO leadership.

Lol you mad ^

[Shiftin]

I am a TMO officer, but that is irrelevant in this discussion here. I was just talking about this with Diggle in IRC, actually. I don't speak for TMO, but this is my personal stance and I'm pretty sure I could get most of the guild behind me. Unless you guys aren't raiding together, it's one and the same to me whether it's IB or VD contesting our Trakanons. Y'all force us to camp in the lair for long and we might just stay there!

I love that you, as an officer, are threatening us with breaking the agreement your guild *demanded* 4 days ago, over what someone you demanded not be in the agreement will inevitably do as a result of you not letting them negotiate.

You're willing to go back to the miserable state things were in 3 months ago over 17% more free banked trakanon breastplates?

Honest question, did you not think VD would react unfavorably to you trying to boot them out of the rotation and acting like they're not a threat, or did you make this agreement as a stopgap knowing this would happen and planning to break it? I don't really see a third option, but I'm open to hearing one. Either you didn't think past your own noses about the consequences, or you don't actually intend to keep the peace.

TMO should know exactly how galvanizing it is to hear people call you a non-threat.

[Nizzarr]

text me please when IBs vp dragons spawns. I dont wanna miss that

[Xanthias]

Look at this from the TMO perspective a minute with the previous agreement... two guilds work together share loot on everything cept one dragon vs one guild... why should the two guilds be treated individually with one mob when they share all the rest?

Now I'm going to use logic here with a few Yes/No Questions

VD and IB work together and share loot on most raid encounters outside of VP - Yes

Can VD do these encounters on their own without assistance - Yes (see weekend when nothing was contested when VP opened)

Does VD consistently do these encounters solo when they are contested - No

It isn't a matter of TMO not thinking VD can do this stuff solo, hell we know you can, it is a matter that VD doesn't want to/desire to do it solo.

Trak solo with the spawn not being contested is COMPLETELY different than having to engage within a minute of it spawning. Anyone who says different is lying or trying to sell you something.

If VD wants to be a part of a rotation for Trak, they need to stand on their own with other raid encounters rather than fighting alongside IB.

Show you can do the fast engage and fight solo and earn your spot.

My 2cp.

[Alarti0001]

Look at this from the TMO perspective a minute with the previous agreement... two guilds work together share loot on everything cept one dragon vs one guild... why should the two guilds be treated individually with one mob when they share all the rest?

Now I'm going to use logic here with a few Yes/No Questions

VD and IB work together and share loot on most raid encounters outside of VP - Yes

Can VD do these encounters on their own without assistance - Yes (see weekend when nothing was contested when VP opened)

Does VD consistently do these encounters solo when they are contested - No

It isn't a matter of TMO not thinking VD can do this stuff solo, hell we know you can, it is a matter that VD doesn't want to/desire to do it solo.

Trak solo with the spawn not being contested is COMPLETELY different than having to engage within a minute of it spawning. Anyone who says different is lying or trying to sell you something.

If VD wants to be a part of a rotation for Trak, they need to stand on their own with other raid encounters rather than fighting alongside IB.

Show you can do the fast engage and fight solo and earn your spot.

My 2cp.

Your sensible post has no business being in RNF and IB will not understand it anyways.
However, any adult who doesn't spend their free time licking windows will probably understand our position now.

[Alarti0001]

You're willing to go back to the miserable state things were in 3 months ago over 17% more free banked trakanon breastplates?


Short answer: Yes

[Shiftin]

Why do you WANT to go back to having to engage a mob that spawns every 3 days within 1 minute? How many trak BPs do you need in your bank? Do you really not remember how awful camping there every 2 days and 6 hours was?

I just genuinely don't understand why youre setting the arbitrary bar at proving themselves using a horrible dynamic no one wants to exist as a benchmark. And then, your officers are saying if/when they do out mobilize you to your own traks, they will retaliate vs IB?

We do quite a few raids separately btw. Sky, epics, quite a few kunark dragons, Draco,

[YendorLootmonkey]

Look at this from the TMO perspective a minute with the previous agreement... two guilds work together share loot on everything cept one dragon vs one guild... why should the two guilds be treated individually with one mob when they share all the rest?

Now I'm going to use logic here with a few Yes/No Questions

VD and IB work together and share loot on most raid encounters outside of VP - Yes

Can VD do these encounters on their own without assistance - Yes (see weekend when nothing was contested when VP opened)

Does VD consistently do these encounters solo when they are contested - No

It isn't a matter of TMO not thinking VD can do this stuff solo, hell we know you can, it is a matter that VD doesn't want to/desire to do it solo.

Trak solo with the spawn not being contested is COMPLETELY different than having to engage within a minute of it spawning. Anyone who says different is lying or trying to sell you something.

If VD wants to be a part of a rotation for Trak, they need to stand on their own with other raid encounters rather than fighting alongside IB.

Show you can do the fast engage and fight solo and earn your spot.

My 2cp.

So, pray tell Xanthais, why does TMO get to dictate what the standards are for earning a spot in the rotation?

Wanna split back into TMO and DA and all four guilds can rotate? Or is the fear that neither TMO and DA can take down Trak on their own? Now to me, THAT would be an interesting rotation.

[Shiftin]

Short answer: Yes

Then I don't think we have anything further to discuss, as this qualifies you as a crazy person.

See you in VP next time zealot wants our whole guild to con yellow again.

[Lazortag]

So one of the "big guilds" is investing 10 times as many hours into the game, for much less than 10 times the amount of loot? Sounds like another ordinary day on project 1999.

[Xanthias]

So, pray tell Xanthais, why does TMO get to dictate what the standards are for earning a spot in the rotation?

Wanna split back into TMO and DA and all four guilds can rotate? Or is the fear that neither TMO and DA can take down Trak on their own? Now to me, THAT would be an interesting rotation.

Two points:
1) During negotiations people make their demands/desires known and all parties come to some sort of compromise.

2) Are you saying that VD and IB are actually one guild?
Because last I checked DA and TMO weren't two separate guilds raiding together, but all under one tag after they merged...

[Splorf22]

Look at this from the TMO perspective a minute with the previous agreement... two guilds work together share loot on everything cept one dragon vs one guild... why should the two guilds be treated individually with one mob when they share all the rest?

Now I'm going to use logic here with a few Yes/No Questions

VD and IB work together and share loot on most raid encounters outside of VP - Yes

Can VD do these encounters on their own without assistance - Yes (see weekend when nothing was contested when VP opened)

Does VD consistently do these encounters solo when they are contested - No

It isn't a matter of TMO not thinking VD can do this stuff solo, hell we know you can, it is a matter that VD doesn't want to/desire to do it solo.

Trak solo with the spawn not being contested is COMPLETELY different than having to engage within a minute of it spawning. Anyone who says different is lying or trying to sell you something.

If VD wants to be a part of a rotation for Trak, they need to stand on their own with other raid encounters rather than fighting alongside IB.

Show you can do the fast engage and fight solo and earn your spot.

My 2cp.

Did you read my post Xanthias? Even if you are right, its hard to imagine that you guys aren't going to be doing more work for less raid mobs without the rotation. Now maybe you guys LIKE camping out at poop mountain . . . .

[YendorLootmonkey]

Two points:
Because last I checked DA and TMO weren't two separate guilds raiding together, but all under one tag after they merged...

If TMO and DA could take down the targets on their own separately, why would they need to merge? Why not just work together and form a similar partnership?

You guys went down the less advantageous road by your own choice. Now you see how flexible a partnership could have been. Why are we expected to be seen as one guild just because that's the route TMO and DA took?

[CallnOutTheNubs]

If VD wants into the rotation they should be enough said.

TMO dont make the fucking rules around here there just butt hurt scared they will lose more targets.

I dont see nothing wrong with a 3 guild rotation all guilds have proven themselfs.

stop acting like IB-VD should be treated like 1 guild THERE NOT.

[baub]

why anon to post such a standard point of view? ^^^

bc he's callin out the nubs!

[Autotune]

obviously, the simple choice is for IB and VD to merge. That way there is more loot for them as they get every other trak without having to do anything.


Why does IB and VD refuse to merge? is it because you thought you could ride out 2 spots in a rotation under 2 guild tags? Is it so if you need to train only one tag has the chance of getting suspended?

To the person saying they raid targets separately, that is a laugh. The only times that happens is when one side doesn't log in or when the other half is socking. ib/vd is one raiding guild, just so happens to be that one half has a more strict invitation process, you share a fucking vent to raid with. You're like that couple that has been living together for 35years but never got married... guess what, you're living the married life.

There are obvious reasons why VD is upset, their top tier half threw them under the bus to make their lives easier. You guys should make IB accept you so you can keep raiding on the gravy train imo. Who knows, if VD didn't go out and invite every person playing on p99 that was 46+ to bring to raids, maybe IB wouldn't have gotten so pissed at you.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Why does IB and VD refuse to merge?

Why did TMO and DA merge?

See, that goes two ways.

Why is merging the only correct option? Says who? Why are you creating the standard of "Well, you need to merge." Heaven forbid two top-tier guilds can work together without merging. Why is that so impossible for you to understand? Go make a partnership with Taken or BDA. No one is stopping you but yourselves.

[TMFail]

obviously, the simple choice is for IB and VD to merge. That way there is more loot for them as they get every other trak without having to do anything.


Why does IB and VD refuse to merge? is it because you thought you could ride out 2 spots in a rotation under 2 guild tags? Is it so if you need to train only one tag has the chance of getting suspended?

To the person saying they raid targets separately, that is a laugh. The only times that happens is when one side doesn't log in or when the other half is socking. ib/vd is one raiding guild, just so happens to be that one half has a more strict invitation process, you share a fucking vent to raid with. You're like that couple that has been living together for 35years but never got married... guess what, you're living the married life.

There are obvious reasons why VD is upset, their top tier half threw them under the bus to make their lives easier. You guys should make IB accept you so you can keep raiding on the gravy train imo. Who knows, if VD didn't go out and invite every person playing on p99 that was 46+ to bring to raids, maybe IB wouldn't have gotten so pissed at you.

Stealin confirmed mad

[Autotune]

Why did TMO and DA merge?

See, that goes two ways.

Why is merging the only correct option? Says who? Why are you creating the standard of "Well, you need to merge." Heaven forbid two top-tier guilds can work together without merging. Why is that so impossible for you to understand? Go make a partnership with Taken or BDA. No one is stopping you but yourselves.

I didn't say it was correct or wrong.

I just mentioned it as a way to correct your loot woes.

TMO wanted this

The people with the problem are not us.

Working together, get stuck on the same rotation together.

No one is stopping you from merging but yourselves.

[Splorf22]

I didn't say it was correct or wrong.

I just mentioned it as a way to correct your loot woes.

TMO wanted this

The people with the problem are not us.

Working together, get stuck on the same rotation together.

No one is stopping you from merging but yourselves.

OK, so this is what you want us to do. Fine. But we aren't going to do that.

What you guys need to consider is the reality of what's going to happen, and that is you are going to get fewer mobs than before when random epic mobs like Cazic and Inny pop with your mains camped out wasting time on the ledge.

[Autotune]

OK, so this is what you want us to do. Fine. But we aren't going to do that.

What you guys need to consider is the reality of what's going to happen, and that is you are going to get fewer mobs than before when random epic mobs like Cazic and Inny pop with your mains camped out wasting time on the ledge.

Cazic? nah
Inny? maybe.

[Tiggles]

TMO is the best guild on the server and if they say they want those shit bag VD players off the rotation then they go off the rotation.


iB can't do much if they still want to continue grabbing the loot WE LET them have.

The rotation was mostly because we wared to farm loot at our leisure not because we where afraid some over the hill former raiding guild was going to take our dragons

[Autotune]

Also, it's not that we want IB and VD to merge. Most TMO don't even care now that VD is off the rotation (where they should be).


If VD has a problem with it, just say so, don't mask your anger under "TMO will get less loots this way!!! zomg wtf you thinking"

You just sound like a whiny bitch that has to earn their foodstamps.

[M.Bison]

Stealin confirmed mad

[Splorf22]

Also, it's not that we want IB and VD to merge. Most TMO don't even care now that VD is off the rotation (where they should be).


If VD has a problem with it, just say so, don't mask your anger under "TMO will get less loots this way!!! zomg wtf you thinking"

You just sound like a whiny bitch that has to earn their foodstamps.

Sounds like some serious projection. I'm not masking my anger - Trakanon doesn't drop any enchanter items :P And in fact, there is only 1 really good VP item for us and I refuse to wear the Robe of Azure sky after seeing the look.

I'm saying that you guys are going to get less loot in the current situation. You are already down 1 Trakanon. Now you can say we suck, it wasn't contested, blah blah . . but the point is you guys missed out. And you're going to continue to miss raid targets simply because you can't be everywhere at once. I'm sorry if that cold hard logic upsets you.

[Autotune]

Sounds like some serious projection. I'm not masking my anger - Trakanon doesn't drop any enchanter items :P And in fact, there is only 1 really good VP item for us and I refuse to wear the Robe of Azure sky after seeing the look.

I'm saying that you guys are going to get less loot in the current situation. You are already down 1 Trakanon. Now you can say we suck, it wasn't contested, blah blah . . but the point is you guys missed out. And you're going to continue to miss raid targets simply because you can't be everywhere at once. I'm sorry if that cold hard logic upsets you.

Yeah, we are down 1 trak, but we will gain another supposedly by VD's math. Looks like it's going to even out or even gain in the long run. We just get to have more fun doing it.

also, your cold hard logic isn't very logical, it's nothing more than speculation.

[quido]

"Nooo, you guys don't wanna do that - you're, um, gonna get less merbs!"


Is VD a dece raiding guild at this point? Yes

Does VD stand around and wait for IB to pull the mobs? Yes

Has VD killed contested mobs without IB? Sort of

Has VD proven themselves? No


Until VD demonstrates that they would be willing to be perpetually engaged in a lair camp without big brother IB's help, they haven't really proven that they deserve a rotation slot.

[Splorf22]

Yeah, we are down 1 trak, but we will gain another supposedly by VD's math. Looks like it's going to even out or even gain in the long run. We just get to have more fun doing it.

also, your cold hard logic isn't very logical, it's nothing more than speculation.

Well if your idea of having fun is camping out at Trak's lair, I'd say you've done exactly the right thing.

As stated before I don't really like rotations - I like racing better. The problem is with targets spread out the way they are, racing becomes poopsocking and sitting at your computer with your main camped out waiting to log in and IMO that's a retarded way to compete for raid mobs.

Anyway you guys seem happy with the current situation, so we'll see how it plays out!

[Fazlazen]

Not much to do on the main anyways.

[Lazortag]

I'm not involved, but I have to say it looks silly to invest more time for proportionally less loot. Allow me to explain with an example. Player A gets 1 piece of dragon loot in 1 hour of tracking/killing a dragon. Player B gets 2 pieces of dragon loot in 10 hours of tracking/killing dragons. Player B may have more loot, but player A gets more loot per hour of time invested. Who would you honestly prefer to be, player A or player B?

[quido]

Not much to do on the main anyways.

I hear that!

Man I sure would feel differently about this all if IB and VD didn't act as a single guild 95% of the time on non-rotation targets! It makes it kind of hard for someone who is really stupid (such as myself) to distinguish.

IB: pull your pet guild off of us on rotation targets or you're gonna be there with us.

[relapsee69]

IB: pull your pet guild off of us on rotation targets or you're gonna be there with us.

So Vd needs to 'earn' their way into a rotation, but you (Tmo) are pissed off now you see VD is gonna earn their spot?

[quido]

My grudge is that you are trying to shirk a fair rotation deal with your retarded alliance and half-standards.

VD, you are a bunch of pathetic spineless nincompoops for not contesting IB's Trakanons also. Grow a pair.

Relapsee, you guys can cry about the reality of it if you want. It's not going to change.

In the words of the great Maultriss of Vesica Dei - "I am not a doormat!"

[YendorLootmonkey]

VD, you are a bunch of pathetic spineless nincompoops for not contesting IB's Trakanons also.

Or, maybe that's not how a partnership works.

[Autotune]

why would vd compete against their other half? lol

[Autotune]

VIDB, it's one raiding guild.

No matter which one you join, you raid with the other, been that way for 4months+ now.

They are one guild, they just wear 2 different tags and only one is allowed to raid the top raid content.

[quido]

Or, maybe that's not how a partnership works.

Some fucking partnership, lol.

[Alarti0001]

why would vd compete against their other half? lol

So basically if IB or IBlite interfere we will count it as breaking the agreement since they are the same guild anyways.... unless of course we can splinter our guild and make another guild so we can raid non vp targets during our rotations.

[YendorLootmonkey]

So basically if IB or IBlite interfere we will count it as breaking the agreement since they are the same guild anyways.... unless of course we can splinter our guild and make another guild so we can raid non vp targets during our rotations.

VD is not part of the agreement.

You guys ensured that. Now you have to reap what you sow. Not magically change the rules to conveniently suit you. We are not IB, IB is not VD. We have a partnership where we work together to raid. The same as if you partnered up with Taken or BDA to raid together.

I'm sorry that makes you mad/jelly, as evidenced by your latest posts/threats. Should have thought of that before you made the most recent agreement. But you didn't. So you can either go back to the table and account for that, or since you left us out of the agreement, you can poopsock Trak's lair with us, and be blocked by server rules when we put 15 on a spawn point.

[Autotune]

VD is not part of the agreement.

You guys ensured that. Now you have to reap what you sow. Not magically change the rules to conveniently suit you. We are not IB, IB is not VD. We have a partnership where we work together to raid. The same as if you partnered up with Taken or BDA to raid together.

I'm sorry that makes you mad/jelly, as evidenced by your latest posts/threats. Should have thought of that before you made the most recent agreement. But you didn't. So you can either go back to the table and account for that, or since you left us out of the agreement, you can poopsock Trak's lair with us, and be blocked by server rules when we put 15 on a spawn point.

15man works both ways.

Have fun making your casual raiders poopsock, we see you really enjoy it now. Maybe they will come around too.

[Boombha]

Why all the hating?

IB obviously agreed to it too.

[quido]

If you don't like it, do something about it.

[Wisetree]

http://i.imgur.com/OBYcV.gif

[Enygma]

get whoever has leads to <Rants and Flames> to pass you leadership, and disband the old tmo tag imo.

Would be much more fitting :P

Dear Calabee,

Your post should have written proposal to Vesica Dei Leadership... please change our guild tag to: Horribad Players who QQ

P.S. killed anything lately?

Thanks.

[baub]

Dear Calabee,

Your post should have written proposal to Vesica Dei Leadership... please change our guild tag to: Horribad Players who QQ

P.S. killed anything lately?

Thanks.

http://wiki.project1999.org/images/Npc_trakanon.jpg

[relapsee69]

<3 Sworen

[Ssleeve]

lol arguing over uncontested pixels

[Motec]

wow tmo now threaten to end an agreement because another guild not involved is going to shit on their last grasp of being #2?

[Motec]

P.S. if we raid as one, where's my f*cking loot VD?

[maultar]

P.S. if we raid as one, where's my f*cking loot VD?

Oh you make sure you get yours.

[Autotune]

wow tmo now threaten to end an agreement because another guild not involved is going to shit on their last grasp of being #1?

Ftfy

[Alarti0001]

VD is not part of the agreement.

.

Yes you are... you are lumped in there with IB ... since you are the same guild.

[Autotune]

We actually said that you guys raid everything together and said that IB and VD should share the trakanons together and share vp together.

IB said fuck VD they can fend for themselves. Not sure why VD hates TMO, misplaced anger imo.

[Tiggles]

We actually said that you guys raid everything together and said that IB and VD should share the trakanons together and share vp together.

IB said fuck VD they can fend for themselves. Not sure why VD hates TMO, misplaced anger imo.

VD (coldblooded) is like the beaten wife that always defends her abusive husband (Getsome)

[getsome]

VD (coldblooded) is like the beaten wife that always defends her abusive husband (Getsome)

I have finally been exposed !

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101104235243/uncyclopedia/images/f/fa/Wife_Beater.jpg

[Szeth]

You could have at least chosen a different picture than you used in the RL thread on our guild forums Getsome.

Sometimes it is nice to see another side of someone... alas

[Nagach]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/images/2008/02/04/joe.jpg

Propositions, we all know how they end.