Preparations

[Hasbinbad]

This thread is for discussing how normal people will deal with being in a revolt / riot culture. There are tips for neighborhoods and individuals who may be caught up in a bad situation not of their liking or doing. There are also a few tips for people who may want to get involved when the streets are taken, but don't know what to do.

What do you think? Besides guns, idiot. Do you have any experience with survivalism or post-apocalyptic theorycrafting? Do you know of any resources which may be useful or interesting when things get shut off?

http://occupyaugusta.org/Documents/Various/Anonymous-SurvivalGuide-For-Revolution.pdf

[Uthgaard]

You flatter yourself. You happened to show up to some occupy thing that was somewhat local, much the same as the homeless guys from the corner, of whom the bulk of the occupy mass consists.

The demographics suggest, and the individual cases (i.e. you, and that other idiot who posted a greatly exaggerated account of his own attendance of an occupy) confirm that most occupy people could never handle a true revolution. They would lose any battle just so they could cry about their extremely minor injuries in front of a camera, to further their victim image.

It's not a movement, it's a block party. Those in attendance are more interested in acting like retards and being in the news than accomplishing anything. No one takes you seriously but those who have no greater prospects in life than to be an idiot too.

[Szeth]

Are we talking true anarchy? Like London riots except wipespread throughout the states?

If so, shoot first ask questions later.

[Hasbinbad]

Hashire, when it comes to it, guns are an obvious need that doesn't really need to be talked about, since it is so obvious. It is of course paramount that safety be taken care of first. But there are other methods of ensuring safety rather than guns, what do you think? And wut do when you need shelter, water, light, food, and entertainment during the day-to-day in a possibly hostile environment?

[Autotune]

You flatter yourself. You happened to show up to some occupy thing that was somewhat local, much the same as the homeless guys from the corner, of whom the bulk of the occupy mass consists.

The demographics suggest, and the individual cases (i.e. you, and that other idiot who posted a greatly exaggerated account of his own attendance of an occupy) confirm that most occupy people could never handle a true revolution. They would lose any battle just so they could cry about their extremely minor injuries in front of a camera, to further their victim image.

It's not a movement, it's a block party. Those in attendance are more interested in acting like retards and being in the news than accomplishing anything. No one takes you seriously but those who have no greater prospects in life than to be an idiot too.

This.

Also, if it ever does go to shit, like someone posted above, trespassers will be shot first and searched for answers later.

[Szeth]

ITT Autotune called me "someone" and I cried.

[Hasbinbad]

go to wilderness
Like, hunting and fishing style? 100% off the grid eh? Do you have tools for determining safe water supplies? Would you take any tech with you? If so, what?

[Szeth]

I was thinking in the woods near civilization of course, so that I can steal their wifi and food/supplies.

Then is they disturb me... Rambo time.

[Srs Not Ames]

You flatter yourself. You happened to show up to some occupy thing that was somewhat local, much the same as the homeless guys from the corner, of whom the bulk of the occupy mass consists.

The demographics suggest, and the individual cases (i.e. you, and that other idiot who posted a greatly exaggerated account of his own attendance of an occupy) confirm that most occupy people could never handle a true revolution. They would lose any battle just so they could cry about their extremely minor injuries in front of a camera, to further their victim image.

It's not a movement, it's a block party. Those in attendance are more interested in acting like retards and being in the news than accomplishing anything. No one takes you seriously but those who have no greater prospects in life than to be an idiot too.

owned

[Harrison]

You flatter yourself. You happened to show up to some occupy thing that was somewhat local, much the same as the homeless guys from the corner, of whom the bulk of the occupy mass consists.

The demographics suggest, and the individual cases (i.e. you, and that other idiot who posted a greatly exaggerated account of his own attendance of an occupy) confirm that most occupy people could never handle a true revolution. They would lose any battle just so they could cry about their extremely minor injuries in front of a camera, to further their victim image.

It's not a movement, it's a block party. Those in attendance are more interested in acting like retards and being in the news than accomplishing anything. No one takes you seriously but those who have no greater prospects in life than to be an idiot too.

[Jon Lemon]

Like, hunting and fishing style? 100% off the grid eh? Do you have tools for determining safe water supplies? Would you take any tech with you? If so, what?

i've got enough iodine to get put away for attempted meth manufacture with the new fascist drug laws going into effect in some areas, and plenty of filters. I've also got some pretty remote property with an alpine water supply that you could prolly drink straight up without getting ill. Enough guns to run a little militia.

As it currently is it'd be trivial to survive on fishing and hunting in southern Utah, the population density is just comically low and the land rich. In a shit hits the fan type situation that might change, but I suspect the Morms would remain organized enough to keep population density low by force. Winter could get a bit difficult.

The real problem would be getting my people past the Mormon roadblocks to get in - the state has just a few choked points of entry and some brutal natural barriers. Those fucks would turn authoritarian real quick without federal authority to keep them in check. And I wouldn't recommend nonwhites take refuge there after the race war.

No tech or entertainment needed beyond guns and optics, this shit makes a great vacation as things are already.

[Harrison]

I'd immediately get out of Southeastern Mass, bringing my family with me. I'd immediately head to the Appalachians, taking advantage of our experience that most city folk lack entirely.

Most people here have never even SEEN a mountain, nevermind climbed them.

[Jon Lemon]

Appalachia seems a little risky to me, there are a *lot* of hill people as it is. It's urban wilderness.

[Hasbinbad]

i've got enough iodine to get put away for attempted meth manufacture with the new fascist drug laws going into effect in some areas, and plenty of filters. I've also got some pretty remote property with an alpine water supply that you could prolly drink straight up without getting ill. Enough guns to run a little militia.

As it currently is it'd be trivial to survive on fishing and hunting in southern Utah, the population density is just comically low and the land rich. In a shit hits the fan type situation that might change, but I suspect the Morms would remain organized enough to keep population density low by force. Winter could get a bit difficult.

The real problem would be getting my people past the Mormon roadblocks to get in - the state has just a few choked points of entry and some brutal natural barriers. Those fucks would turn authoritarian real quick without federal authority to keep them in check. And I wouldn't recommend nonwhites take refuge there after the race war.

No tech or entertainment needed beyond guns and optics, this shit makes a great vacation as things are already.
This is exactly the type of response I'm looking for.

RE: bolded: Mexico starts to look a bit more attractive eh? All the jokes about the fence being used against us don't seem so funny in this situation.

[Uthgaard]

Water from a natural source isn't always safe. If it exists in nature, something has already found a way to live there. You might think hot springs around yellowstone would be pretty ideal since that essentially boils your water for you. But then you get introduced to the minor celebrity prokaryote thermus aquaticus.

I posted a quick rundown of water purification a while back in a previous exposé of HBB thread 2pidity. (It seems to be a regular occurence)

Aside from this, water purification is simple and accessible to anyone. A fully effective water filter can be made from bituminous and anthracite coal, sand, plastic, garnet and gravel. Same accessible stuff that's in military water filters. Chlorine and citric acid will neutralize any microbes and the pH. Reverse osmosis is the only part that might seem a little tricky, but guess what? A $50 pool filter has the same RO element and the pump.

You can get water from anywhere. Ponds and lakes are surface representations of the water table (that's how far down you have to go to get water). If you're 25 miles from water, you can take a topographic map, find the water gradient from the difference in elevation between the nearest pools, dig about that far down. As long as it doesn't smell like sulfur, you've got a well. If it does, move about 10 yards and try again.

Simple stuff. Now no one from p99 should ever die of thirst.

[Harrison]

Appalachia seems a little risky to me, there are a *lot* of hill people as it is. It's urban wilderness.

Not the Virginia/mid-southern stretch where those are. Border of NH/MA/ME depending on various factors of course.

I've thought of staying near a coast line, too. (10ish miles inland, to move in and out at will for the summer. Nothing beats the plentiful food pulled from the ocean.)

[Knuckle]

go to wilderness

better off fighting nature than 100,000 hungry ******s who stopped receiving foodstamps after government shutdown

haha WOW nice one :o

[Jon Lemon]

Your water advice is a little further to the permanent side than I'd be comfortable with in this situation. It's all well and good if you have a permanent encampment, but you need to be prepared to carry what you need on your person for this situation.

Iodine is gr8 choice, a kilo of it goes a long way. If you had a scientific professional :cool: available it wouldn't be difficult to attenuate the local flora with iodine & develop a vaccine that should render the area water supply fairly safe to drink if the situation was starting to look more desperate. That'll have to wait til after my hilltop cult gets the first round of inductees though, fuck knows I'm not testing on myself.

[jarshale]

Hopefully I would be smart enough to move to the philipines before this all goes down, where my family owns a good bit of land

[burkemi5]

occupy fallout

[Uthgaard]

http://blackmaps.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/earth_lights.jpg

Civilization has a tendency to flock to natural water sources. People are going to go to water, not to food. If you can go to food, and draw your own water from the earth, you're ahead of the game.

Also, if you intend to "develop a vaccine" to put in a water supply in bulk, you'll observe how quickly it becomes ineffective. There are probably hundreds of true vaccines. All of them are derived from nature. As a result of that, every vaccine that exists, has a complementary resistance that has been evolved as well.

Why? Because we aren't at the point in molecular biology where we can create truly effective vaccines yet. We're just borrowing from the arms race between fungi and bacteria.

[Jon Lemon]

lol thats not what a vaccine is

of course if you put a selective agent into the water supply itself it will fail, wots evolution

[Uthgaard]

That's why I put it in quotes. I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. You're talking about putting something in the water supply. I can only assume you meant antibiotics.

[Jon Lemon]

You're talking about putting something in the water supply.
that makes no sense and no (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine)


iodine used as attenuating agent
some terrible carcinogen used as adjuvant because who really cares in this situation


You figure the rest.


Condescension takes better when you don't get lost at the word "vaccine" :rolleyes:

[Hasbinbad]

My safe water procedure:

1.) Mechanical Filtration: Varies in effectiveness depending on the filter diameter. This should never be your only method of making water safe, and really only helps the aesthetics of the situation, and the water only looks cleaner. This can be accomplished using any funneling system, but it is useful to have a tube of some sort that you can pack with filter material (coffee filters, cloth, charcoal bits or bits of burned wood, moss, leaves, etc., depending on your level of access).

2.) Disinfection: A couple drops of bleach should do the trick. Bleach kills organisms and destroys viruses. The chlorine is also "used" in the process, so there is a built-in rough metric for determining if there has been enough bleach added. Add a few drops, wait 30 minutes, smell. If you can't smell any bleach, add a few more drops. Repeat until you can detect any small amount of bleachy smell after 30 minute wait periods.

Mechanical filtration with professional water filters usually only filter organisms, unless they specifically say they filter viruses as well (viruses are MUCH smaller than organisms). Boiling can also leave viruses intact, but tends to kill all but the most crafty organisms (as Uthgaard pointed out). As far as drinking water without any kind of treatment, try to get as close to the source spring as possible. No spring source is 100% guaranteed safe to drink, but as you get above waterfalls and other natural barriers to wildlife, there is less chance for levels of contamination likely to cause illness.

[Hasbinbad]

A solar still is another way to eek water out of a relatively dry environment. The water is as clean as the tarp used to garner it.

[Uthgaard]

Maybe I shouldn't have continued to use your incorrect comprehension of the terminology to make my point easier for you to understand, but you don't "attenuate" plants, you attenuate virii, and iodine, while it can render some virii impotent (you can't kill a virus since it isn't a living organism), isn't a vaccine. Heat can also destroy virus particles. Heat is not a vaccine either.

[Jon Lemon]

It's also worth noting bubonic plague is carried in force in Western US by fleas, really nothing you can do but get y. pestis vaccinated now and hope for the best later though imo. If it comes down to hunting you will be exposed to plague fleas.

[Jon Lemon]

Maybe I shouldn't have continued to use your incorrect comprehension of the terminology to make my point easier for you to understand, but you don't "attenuate" plants, you attenuate virii, and iodine, while it can render some virii impotent (you can't kill a virus since it isn't a living organism), isn't a vaccine. Heat can also destroy virus particles. Heat is not a vaccine either.

what in the name of fuck are you on about

[Uthgaard]

Stop using wikipedia to pretend you have some grasp of biology.

If you knew anything about trophism, you'd know that fleas do not bite humans unless their native food source - rodents in this case - is extinct in the immediate environment (if no animals they would live on are around to live on, and they would otherwise starve).

Humans don't get the plague from fleas. They get it from the rodents they live on.

[Jon Lemon]

You don't attenuate virii, you attenuate pathogens. Bacterial pathogens are going to be your primary concern in this case.

step 1: select for known pathogens in local water supply
step 2: cultivate
step 3: attenuate with iodine
step 4: administer with adjuvant to human

I'm sorry we aren't communicating well, but your apparent assumption that i'm spouting absolute gibberish instead of making some attempt to understand is something I'm not going to be able to reconcile with you.

[Jon Lemon]

If you knew anything about trophism, you'd know that fleas do not bite humans unless their native food source - rodents in this case - is extinct in the immediate environment (if no animals they would live on are around to live on, and they would otherwise starve).

Humans don't get the plague from fleas. They get it from the rodents they live on.

gee i wonder how this situation might arise when you have a dead rodent in your hand. ps I'm a molecular biologist, I was just directing you to the wiki to remind you that you don't put vaccines in your food.

[purest]

They would lose any battle just so they could cry about their extremely minor injuries in front of a camera, to further their victim image.

Posted by a guy who ragequit the server like a petulant child and then promptly changed his avatar to Eddard Stark as a testament to his massive, pathological victim/martyr complex.

[Uthgaard]

That's why I thought you were talking about antibiotics. But you were saying vaccine. You use antibiotics for bacteria. Antibiotics come primarily from fungi. Virus particles can be killed any number of ways, including by bacteria.

Bacteria have been killing virus particles for a long time, they do it through things called restriction enzymes. But that isn't a vaccine and neither is iodine, a vaccine is a virus that has been essentially destroyed, or in more accurate terms, just the capsid and its native proteins, so the body can learn how to recognize and kill the virus itself.

[Uthgaard]

You don't attenuate virii, you attenuate pathogens.

This is how I know you're just regurgitating things from wikipedia with no true comprehension. The pathogen that you attenuate is a virus. You don't attenuate a bacteria, the body can kill bacteria whether they're live or dead. The only thing that is or has ever been necessary to "attenuate" is a virus, so the body can develop an immunity to it before it gains access to the human's DNA.

This is because bacterial infections are things that can be killed, and once killed, are gone. A virus incorporates its RNA into human DNA, and remains forever.

You'll find remnants of viral DNA in the genome of every species.

[Jon Lemon]

The source of all this conflict is that you think vaccines against bacteria do not exist. In fact they number in the hundreds, as an immune response can be developed for virtually any antigen using the right preparation of antigen and adjuvant (known as a vaccine).

I will repeat that I have never claimed that iodine is a vaccine. Where's the bacterial antigen in iodine?

You think bacteria don't kill humans constantly? You realize that Y. Pestis is a bacterium and bubonic plague is no joke, right? You think bacterial pathogenicity can't be attenuated? Did you bother even a cursory google fact check before you let this nonsense flow?

We aren't even close to on the same page here.

[Jon Lemon]

The only thing that is or has ever been necessary to "attenuate" is a virus, so the body can develop an immunity to it before it gains access to the human's DNA.

10/10 i got played

[Uthgaard]

Hasbinbad actually understood this and got the take-home message from it, but water purification doesn't require any iodine or attenuation. What he outlined was a subjective way of saying "no more than 3 parts per million of chlorine" after 30 minutes. Chlorine is all you need for microbes, citric acid is all you need for pH. RO will handle everything else. You can make a crank generator from a sufficiently cheap reversible drill if gas power isn't available.

The water might be some funky color, but it will be safe to drink.

[Hasbinbad]

Maybe one of you is using the defined scientific term "attenuate," while another is using the English word "attentuate."

[Hasbinbad]

Maybe one of you is using the defined scientific term "attenuate," while another is using the English word "attentuate."
This also separates the scientist from the lay person. A science major would know how these terms differ, whereas a lay person would assume "attenuation" as used in a journal means "attenuation" as defined in any given dictionary.

[Hasbinbad]

You can make a crank generator from a sufficiently cheap reversible drill if gas power isn't available.
This is exactly what I'm after. I understand magnets and copper wire and all that, but only on a very cursory level. Can you describe specifics, or do you know of resources that lay this out?

[Uthgaard]

Electromagnetism at its most basic level. You can think of electrcity and magnetism as antiperpendicular wave forms that run at 90 angles to each other.

Where electricity flows, so does magnetism. The opposite is also true. The drill works because it has a large magnet, and cheap drills don't usually have advanced circuitry to prevent current from flowing backward if the drill is rotated creating current, instead of current rotating the drill.

You can get these for about $10-$20. The types that run off of a single battery unit or only have a power cord are the easiest to make. Run wires from battery terminals or split the wires to whatever you want to power. Getting one of these is usually easier than trying to create a device, but you can by coiling a wire around a magnet.

It's ideal to store it in some rechargable battery, since it's unlikely to create a constant or sufficient voltage by hand. Chemical sources of power might be less crude and more reliable, but harder to replenish.

Also another way to get pure water is through acid-base neutralization. You'll wind up with some type of salt to filter out, but any acid and any base neutralize into pure water. Hydrochloric acid (a strong acid) and sodium hydroxide (lye) combine to form a solution of table salt in pure water.

[Hasbinbad]

Totally. I've just never seen a crank generator sold (haven't been looking), and while I know the concept, I probably couldn't manufacture one that worked worth a shit without a diagram..
Et viola! http://www.creative-science.org.uk/gen1.html
What about LED technology? Does anyone here have any experience with making simple LEDs?

[Uthgaard]

A crank generator is probably the simplest thing to create. The most complicated part would be deciding what kind of battery setup could accommodate that blends what you can afford with performance attributes.

Anything that creates a difference in electric potentials creates a voltage, you can think of it like water pressure. Rechargable batteries restore some of that charge. Practically, batteries in this situation would perform best when they aren't at a full charge. Most of the time spent charging a battery is when the battery is almost full. It takes less than half as much energy to charge a battery to 75% than it does to charge it the last 25%, so it's a lot like a concentration gradient made up of ions instead of solute.

The tricky part comes with spending the energy. You could create a battery pack out of batteries connected in series to charge them, and then just remove batteries to match the voltage requirements of whatever you're trying to power, but that's impractical for all but a few examples. Realistically you'd just need a device between the power supply and its final output that can regulate the voltage and current so that your device a) has enough to function and b) doesn't fry it. It's often a pretty thin line to walk.

You aren't likely to manufacture an LED. Diodes are essentially miniaturized vacuum tubes. You would have a lot of difficulty (read, basically impossible to DIY) growing the crystals to the required specs and without flaws, or to create the diode even if you did. On the other hand, they're really cheap since the manufacture is simple on the large scale in a specialized facility. Better off buying what you need.

[Uthgaard]

Also I just looked at that diagram. That's interesting but defeats the purpose of what I was explaining, since that requires a power source. What I was talking about was rotating the actual drill bit manually, creating a current inside the drill's circuitry and can be drawn from its battery terminals.

[Hasbinbad]

Well you could easily attach the piece on the power drill to .. the axle on a bike? a pressure/spinner thing on the sole of a shoe? ..etc..
Find force where it exists already and then adapt it to rotational motion.

[Hasbinbad]

well tell us something we don't already know..

[Hasbinbad]

Well tell us what you would add to the conversation.

Or are you just here to troll?

..don't really answer that, I wasn't really asking..

[Uthgaard]

Some people consider an education important, or have had jobs that involve some of the stuff outlined here, and actually have knowledge of their own to draw from without having to look up every little detail.

It helps when you go to apply concepts to understand them, and it sure beats having nothing interesting to say and bitterly lashing out at those who did.:o

Anyway, yeah, the axle concept is the general idea. Or you could get an allen wrench or anything L shaped and screw it into the chuck and turn it by hand. That's actually related to the reason that AC current is shaped like a wave form. If you take a circular motion, and you plot it over time, you get a wave (oscillating voltages being measured as they go through a fixed point).

[Hasbinbad]

See I would like to see 4 (one on each side of each axle) mini generators on every bike.. Powering rechargeable batteries over distance traveled..

Now my question is, since that is possible, how do we turn it into reality? 4 storebought crank generators is the best way? DIY?

[Slathar]

id laugh as i watched it while sipping a mimosa halfway around the world.

[Truth]

yea you think im gonna give a fuck during the collapse??

[Hailto]

Your signature is fucking mesmerizing truth, shits weird.

[Uthgaard]

Already said what I was going do. Murder you/your family and take your supplies.

If you're as sneaky as you are subtle, you won't last long before natural selection selects you out. Especially wasting resources like that. If you murder someone and only take their possessions, you've already passed up several valuable commodities (or necessities for some) that are easier to take from the body than to get through biopharming, which may be halted anyway.

[Truth]

http://behance.vo.llnwd.net/profiles5/96055/projects/317109/960551254364630.jpg

[Littlegyno 6.0]

Lol. I like how I get reported by HBB and/or Uthgaard for saying I'd murder him/family in a hypothetical situation.

[Hasbinbad]

I was getting ready to, but then I saw you were banned already.

[Harrison]

I was getting ready to, but then I saw you were banned already.

You are such a little faggot lol

[Littlegyno 6.0]

I was getting ready to, but then I saw you were banned already.

Of course you were pal. You're a whiner, that's your thing.

Regardless, in your hypothetical situation, I would do the easiest thing and enslave/murder the easiest thing possible: people like Hasbinbad.

^^^Not in violation of Google adsense policies.

[Littlegyno 6.0]

http://images.mylot.com/userImages/images/postphotos/738245.jpg

[Uthgaard]

That's not banworthy, It's a hypothetical discussion in R&F.

[Littlegyno 6.0]

Wonder why Guineapig suspended me then.

[Uthgaard]

That shit's ridiculous honestly. How are you supposed to participate in the discussion without realistic actions? I don't care if you threatened to murder my family. It's a practical option in the circumstances, in fact I gave you some hints on what to do better.

I'm too valuable alive to be killed except by chance, and most people can't aim for shit. Most people pointing a gun aren't that scary unless they're really close, because in reality, all you have to do is be a somewhat moving target. But if you got that close, I'd murder you too. I suppose I should be banned as well.

[Uthgaard]

Except the difference between me and you, is among other things, I'd harvest your insulin and trade it to a diabetic for something nice.

[Littlegyno 6.0]

Except the difference between me and you, is among other things, I'd harvest your insulin and trade it to a diabetic for something nice.

Eh, I don't know about that. You're talking about fairly complex things like spinning out blood products when you're mainly looking to just take "important" supplies so you and your kin can survive.

It'd probably be alot easiest use swine insulin if you have the ability to synthesize it, which you most likely won't.

My thoughts: Come across Hasbinbad and/or family; murder males of military age; use females, young, old for slaves/breeding; take everything they own.

[Uthgaard]

Oh but I intend to thrive, not just survive. People dependent on medical technology are more than willing to handle the basics as long as you can make sure they survive. Besides, I've got everything I need for that in a lab that I share with just 3 other people. The medical tech might go back to 1970s or 1980s quality in some cases, but that's still pretty good for most situations.

Or people like HBB who want to know how to power up their ipod off the grid. There's no shortage of peons to be conscripted.

[lululalana]

all u fly need is ar 15 + beans + ammo

[Littlegyno 6.0]

Also, I would skin Guineapig in real life and make a blanket out of it. He is such a douche.

[NGHpnotiq]

I'm digging a bunker in my backyard, I suggest that EQEmu and P99 start relocating all important Data to my secure bunker.

[NGHpnotiq]

Post-Apocalypse Check List...

Generator - Check
Computer - Check
Direct link to P99 Servers - Needs Work
Poop Sock - Check
Backup Poop Sock - Check

[Hasbinbad]

Besides, I've got everything I need for that in a lab that I share with just 3 other people. The medical tech might go back to 1970s or 1980s quality in some cases, but that's still pretty good for most situations.
I happen to live close to chiron, genentech, bayer, and a shit ton of other labs.. We'd only need one. I have enough know-how to direct experiments that real scientists design. Their tech is certainly not 80's style, and if it REALLY comes down to it, that shit is getting taken quick.

[Odonk]

This is exactly the type of response I'm looking for.

RE: bolded: Mexico starts to look a bit more attractive eh? All the jokes about the fence being used against us don't seem so funny in this situation.

mexico never looks attractive

[Odonk]

Your water advice is a little further to the permanent side than I'd be comfortable with in this situation. It's all well and good if you have a permanent encampment, but you need to be prepared to carry what you need on your person for this situation.

Iodine is gr8 choice, a kilo of it goes a long way. If you had a scientific professional :cool: available it wouldn't be difficult to attenuate the local flora with iodine & develop a vaccine that should render the area water supply fairly safe to drink if the situation was starting to look more desperate. That'll have to wait til after my hilltop cult gets the first round of inductees though, fuck knows I'm not testing on myself.

purify water = simple answer. bring to a rolling boil for 6-8 minutes then strain through clean cloth. might not look like dasani but it is just as clean

[Autotune]

I'm too valuable alive to be killed except by chance, and most people can't aim for shit. Most people pointing a gun aren't that scary unless they're really close, because in reality, all you have to do is be a somewhat moving target. But if you got that close, I'd murder you too. I suppose I should be banned as well.

Yeah, with a pistol or rifle you'd be right. Someone who is aware they are a target will not be easily shot by someone with a pistol or rifle by someone unskilled in shooting.

Luckily they made cheap guns for people with bad aim and/or for fast moving targets, Shotguns. Anyone with $300 can get a decent long range shotgun with all the chokes they need and a variety of shot shells for different occasions.

I won't be using my shotguns in this hypothetical to shoot ducks and birds. I'd use it more for wounding people in shootouts when absolutely necessary. Otherwise it's the pistol for up close unaware people or a rifle at long range.

Hunting animals for food with guns will be one of the dumbest things you could do to feed yourself.

[Littlegyno 6.0]

Hitting a moving target is pretty easy with some basic marksmanship training. Used to do it pretty much weekly.

[Autotune]

Hitting a moving target is pretty easy with some basic marksmanship training. Used to do it pretty much weekly.

if it was on a shooting range, you have to remember those things aren't moving as if their life depended on it lol.

[Littlegyno 6.0]

if it was on a shooting range, you have to remember those things aren't moving as if their life depended on it lol.

? No, real people.

[Autotune]

my "best training" has probably come from hunting squirrels and rabbits with a .22lr after they are spooked and on the run. Small quick targets that change direction and course quickly will help greatly.

[Littlegyno 6.0]

my "best training" has probably come from hunting squirrels and rabbits with a .22lr after they are spooked and on the run. Small quick targets that change direction and course quickly will help greatly.

Small animals like that are harder to hit than some stupid Iraqis carrying a bag of IED materials. Squirrel hunting with a .22 is fun as fuck.

[Doublestep]

if i can peg almost everyone in airsoft matches does that mean i'd make it in the military

[Hitchens]

http://watchdocumentary.com/watch/louis-therouxs-weird-weekends-survivalists-video_d64b9abd5.html

[Hasbinbad]

purify water = simple answer. bring to a rolling boil for 6-8 minutes then strain through clean cloth. might not look like dasani but it is just as clean
"Someone," and I won't say who, doesn't know much about microbiology.

[Hasbinbad]

So let's talk about guerrilla tactics for taking down infantries with household items.

[Autotune]

So let's talk about guerrilla tactics for taking down infantries with household items.

you don't want to do that.

[Szeth]

If there are legitimately trained troops/infantry coming at you HBB? You fucking leave. This is anarchy mode, pure survival. Why are you meddling in something other than self preservation?

Oh I forgot you're going to lead the revolution.

[Happyfeet]

ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP4FjODPDFA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Check out these specialty shells. The dragons breath would rape hard.

[Littlegyno 6.0]

So let's talk about guerrilla tactics for taking down infantries with household items.

You're probably smart enough to eventually learn how to make homemade explosives. That's really the only tactic. Massed assault with weapons? Na dog, you're gonna get cut down like a scrub.

Look at the tactics and techniques of the Iraqi/Afghani insurgency and you'll see classic guerilla warfare; improvised explosives and ambushes.

[Hitchens]

One Predator drone and the revolution is over.

[Autotune]

If there are legitimately trained troops/infantry coming at you HBB? You fucking leave. This is anarchy mode, pure survival. Why are you meddling in something other than self preservation?

Oh I forgot you're going to lead the revolution.

he is an idiot and anyone that comments about that subject on a public forum is an idiot. The least of your problems will be getting reported to GP the forum mod.

You want to know about improvised munitions and such, buy the book. The army has put out a few.

You want to know about tactics, buy the book.

You want to be added to a list, talk about stupid shit along the lines of "how to take out infantry, squads, or other groups that seem to suggest military or police."

[Szeth]

HBB confirmed added to list of 99%?

[Hasbinbad]

One Predator drone and the revolution is over.
True; true.

[Hitchens]

There will be no revolution. People like civic infrastructure more than ideology. You can't eat ideology.

Also you'd be slaughtered.

[Autotune]

There will be no revolution. People like civic infrastructure more than ideology. You can't eat ideology.

Also you'd be slaughtered.

a revolution could happen, but not because someone like HBB stood in a park for 12hrs and shit in some back alley. At the end of the day, even people that are pissed and would revolt will just look at him like he's an idiot.

If it happens, it would be by a mass of random people across the country in which some or most would be from the military itself. It would take a crazy act from the government to piss off people that much on a general level, which will most likely not happen, but it still could. More and more people are getting pushed over the edge, all it takes is for the people with the best foundation to get pushed.

Governments have years of history on how to avoid getting their faces kicked in by revolting peasants.

[Hasbinbad]

he is an idiot
I was trying to get YOU GUYS to talk about it, the most they could get me for is starting a conversation. Not worried. There are plenty of people camping in parks for them to be worried about me talking to other nerds on the interwebz. In any case, I've been where people are camping in parks a lot lately, and I'm p sure I'm on those lists (and several others which are probably worse) several times already.

---

In fact this has been the impetus for what I think is the best in a series of jokes lovingly called "Quanics," in honor of Mayor Quan of Oakland.

So:



After a proposal, we first hold stack for Clarifying Question, then Pros & Quans.
When we riot, we should be Quansiderate of small business storefronts.
You know, our Quanversation is probably being recorded right now.
I wonder if Mayor Quan ever Quantemplates the Quanstitutionality of police brutality?
Variously, Lake Merrit during AQUApy Oakland and Oscar Grant Plaza when they over watered the campground & almost killed the tree, the word was Quan Lake or Quantanimo Bay.


Which tied in with our earlier conversation about the planned FEMA death camps, which we're all assuming we're going to soon, the point of this aside:



I heard that in the FEMA death camps you can have Quanjugal visits.
Yes, and they even provide Quandoms.
Because Quantraception is totally important to our demo.
And nobody wants Quantuplets.

[Hitchens]

Which tied in with our earlier conversation about the planned FEMA death camps, which we're all assuming we're going to soon, the point of this aside:


Do you listen to a lot of Alex Jones?

[Szeth]

I can never have the time I spent reading those jokes back.

Maybe I should just end it all now?

[Autotune]

In any case, I've been where people are camping in parks a lot lately, and I'm p sure I'm on those lists (and several others which are probably worse) several times already.



I don't think you understand your importance, or the lack thereof, when it comes to the government.

Any list you are on for standing in a park, blocking traffic, waving signs, or even talking about having a riot is nothing compared to the list i was referring to.

Talking about taking over a few stores in a city isn't the same as talking about taking out infantries with homemade explosives.

Granted being on both lists would bump you up slightly, but being on the "homeland terrorist" list would be enough to get you royally fucked if shit ever starts to go down (possibly before it ever did). There would be no "fucks given" if you were snagged for that list, no one would even know most likely. Especially, seeing how you like to frequent large crowds of people for the majority of your days.

playing Mr. Revolutionary is nice, but the information you were asking about is putting you on the "plays for keeps" table. Best to keep your roleplaying online, least you end up the next big loser on the news (if you aren't just kept as a "missing persons").

[Littlegyno 6.0]

I was trying to get YOU GUYS to talk about it, the most they could get me for is starting a conversation. Not worried. There are plenty of people camping in parks for them to be worried about me talking to other nerds on the interwebz. In any case, I've been where people are camping in parks a lot lately, and I'm p sure I'm on those lists (and several others which are probably worse) several times already.

---

In fact this has been the impetus for what I think is the best in a series of jokes lovingly called "Quanics," in honor of Mayor Quan of Oakland.

So:



After a proposal, we first hold stack for Clarifying Question, then Pros & Quans.
When we riot, we should be Quansiderate of small business storefronts.
You know, our Quanversation is probably being recorded right now.
I wonder if Mayor Quan ever Quantemplates the Quanstitutionality of police brutality?
Variously, Lake Merrit during AQUApy Oakland and Oscar Grant Plaza when they over watered the campground & almost killed the tree, the word was Quan Lake or Quantanimo Bay.


Which tied in with our earlier conversation about the planned FEMA death camps, which we're all assuming we're going to soon, the point of this aside:



I heard that in the FEMA death camps you can have Quanjugal visits.
Yes, and they even provide Quandoms.
Because Quantraception is totally important to our demo.
And nobody wants Quantuplets.


Literally, the worst jokes I've ever heard.

[Hasbinbad]

Do you listen to a lot of Alex Jones?
Infowars usually posts verifiable infoz, but I don't seek it..

The FEMA death camp thing is kind of a common joke, which may have evolved from that guy for some people, but for my part, I saw an article on SHTF recently that showed FEMA taking interest in private subcontractors for massive internment camps. (http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/detainment-camps-going-live-fema-seeking-subcontractors-to-provide-temporary-camp-services-in-all-50-states_12072011)

Another article suggesting that the US Army (and thus, Obomba) gave the nod to the NDAA a long time ago. (http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-12-07/news/30485067_1_command-and-control-custody-operation)

US ARMY MOS 31E (http://www.goarmy.com/careers-and-jobs/browse-career-and-job-categories/legal-and-law-enforcement/internment-resettlement-specialist.html)

Please realize that I take everything I see on the internet with a grain of salt, and that we're mostly joking around. Or are we?

[Hasbinbad]

Come at me bro.
Come at me bro.

[Hitchens]

Please realize that I take everything I see on the internet with a grain of salt, and that we're mostly joking around. Or are we?

Sure, why not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8nSLcpVO30

[Hasbinbad]

lol

[Hasbinbad]

I didn't say the dude isn't a goober, I said his website usually posts verifiable information.

[Hitchens]

Jeff Rense has funnier hair.

[Uthgaard]

I don't think you understand your importance, or the lack thereof, when it comes to the government.

Any list you are on for standing in a park, blocking traffic, waving signs, or even talking about having a riot is nothing compared to the list i was referring to.

Talking about taking over a few stores in a city isn't the same as talking about taking out infantries with homemade explosives.

Granted being on both lists would bump you up slightly, but being on the "homeland terrorist" list would be enough to get you royally fucked if shit ever starts to go down (possibly before it ever did). There would be no "fucks given" if you were snagged for that list, no one would even know most likely. Especially, seeing how you like to frequent large crowds of people for the majority of your days.

playing Mr. Revolutionary is nice, but the information you were asking about is putting you on the "plays for keeps" table. Best to keep your roleplaying online, least you end up the next big loser on the news (if you aren't just kept as a "missing persons").

Oven cleaner melts faces at close range irl. Just saying.

Guerilla/long range tactics work for groups trying to reach a goal, the individual who isn't a part of a group would be best served by coming up with a creative place that most people won't be, and minimizing people contact. If you're not a part of some group, your chances of long term survival are low.

No revolution is going to cause any sort of chaos of this level. Even the great depression, in all its storied infamy, really only devastated 25% of the population. The upper 10% and the lower 10%, and the 5% affected by proxy through subsequent chance involvement with that 20%. The top lost everything they had worked for, the bottom lost enough that they could no longer survive by society's rules.

However, all of those millions of people that people have been feeding on pitiful telemercials like Christian Children's Fund while they reproduce at a rate of 5 living children per female, they have slightly better than crude militarization, unbelievable numbers, HIV, and they'll be hungrier and hornier than ever. Right now they're only trying to kill each other. It's a natural solution to overcrowding.

They compete for resources, their numbers thin, the problem is solved. But you've got idiots like George Clooney trying to look cool by keeping them from killing each other and funnelling resources their way. When you feed a wild animal, and you run out of food, it doesn't go looking around for a new food source.

Natural barriers are about the only thing in the way, and look where the weakest countries lie. Greece, and Egypt. Greece happens to have lots of modern seaworthy vessels, and captains who really like living. Most people can only think about the implications in terms of their modern life, but cause and effect run deeper than you latté and your ipod.

It will be a gradual process, but it's an unstoppable domino effect of human nature, base and predictable. Europe and Asia have more to worry about in the immediate future, but don't think for one second that it won't change the landscape of society in those nations, and all the world's dealings with them.

[Hasbinbad]

Uth you'd like my dad, lol.

[Littlegyno 6.0]

He sounds like he has good ideas. How did his son turn out to be a pussy faggot?

[Hasbinbad]

You're mad as well as being on the internet.

[Littlegyno 6.0]

You're mad as well as being on the internet.

I like you dog.

[Harrison]

That bird in your avatar looks ugly as fuck.

[Littlegyno 6.0]

That bird in your avatar looks ugly as fuck.

That's the Spiroc Lord atop the body of a confirmed homosexual. Please respect my avatar pal.

[ZEROSUM]

KAW KAW

[Ratbone]

oh Uthgaard, you sorry little man, does flaming others compensate for your short coming in RL? bitches like you are the reason i don't play MMO's anymore, rather i have a fruitful life with friends and sex, oh and sex is when a man has intercourse with a woman just giving you a heads up, so in short, fuck you, hope you drown in a puddle of your own blood and piss when someone finnally puts your pussy ass in check, bye bye.

[Uthgaard]

lol, did you finally get your utilities turned back on brisko?

[Littlegyno 6.0]

oh Uthgaard, you sorry little man, does flaming others compensate for your short coming in RL? bitches like you are the reason i don't play MMO's anymore, rather i have a fruitful life with friends and sex, oh and sex is when a man has intercourse with a woman just giving you a heads up, so in short, fuck you, hope you drown in a puddle of your own blood and piss when someone finnally puts your pussy ass in check, bye bye.

I remember when I have my first beer too.

[Hasbinbad]

That's the Spiroc Lord atop the body of a confirmed homosexual. Please respect my avatar pal.
You tell me what it feels like to call someone on the internet gay, and I'll tell you what the inside of a vagina feels like. K?

[ZEROSUM]

i would do anything to any mammal at this point

[Doublestep]

You tell me what it feels like to call someone on the internet gay, and I'll tell you what the inside of a vagina feels like. K?

can I get in on this deal?

[Littlegyno 6.0]

You tell me what it feels like to call someone on the internet gay, and I'll tell you what the inside of a vagina feels like. K?

http://almostdumb.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/feels-good-man.jpg

Also I'm married, so I haven't been inside a vagina for 6 months. You got me there dog.

[Hasbinbad]

Also I'm married, so I haven't been inside a vagina for 6 months. You got me there dog.
Boom.

[Doublestep]

didnt answer diggles :[

[Littlegyno 6.0]

Boom.

It happens brew. You don't have to worry about it though. Faggots can't get really married.

[Hasbinbad]

It happens brew. You don't have to worry about it though. Faggots can't get really married.
That will only last until our propaganda turns all your children gay.

[Littlegyno 6.0]

Eh, wouldn't be too upset. Would frankly rather have a gay daughter than having dickheads sniffing around her. And as long as my son isn't as flaming as you, he can stick his dick in anything he wants dog.

[Hasbinbad]

I'll make sure to mention your son as a person of interest at the next gay meeting.

[Doublestep]

didnt answer diggles :[

[Peatree]

All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, an' I'm fine.