An Open Letter To pickled_heretic

[Hasbinbad]

Please find one credible source that gives a scientific basis (preferably biological) for race.

Until then, you're a race-myth promoter, which makes you a racist of the highest order.

People you're in good company with:
The Ku Klux Klan
The Nazis
Pseudoscientists
Mel Gibson

That is all.

[Shannacore]

If you feel that a response is necessary and desirable, you should try a private conversation. Do not respond with a post on a thread; this tends to escalate matters.

PLS

[pickled_heretic]

http://www.dualshockers.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/dungeondefenderslogo.jpg

anyone want to play Dungeon Defenders w/ me? pretty cool game. it's tower defense w/ 4 classes but you can go first person and pew pew. i think you can get it for 15 bucks on steam. it was on sale for like 3 dollars, too bad i don't think it's on sale anymore.

[pickled_heretic]

http://www.platformnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Dungeon-Defenders-Huntress-Media.jpg
my fave class is the huntress, that's the snarky lookin chick in the middle. inferno traps are awesome!

[Daldolma]

I posted two in the other thread -- there are a lot more. It's something that has been proven at this point.

It doesn't make you racist to acknowledge genetic differentiation between races. It's just a fact. It makes you racist to believe that people should be categorized based upon the average genetic expectation of those with similar ancestry.

[pickled_heretic]

of course it's genetically based, race is largely based on what you look like and, as we all understand, what you look like is largely dependent on what genes you inherited from your parents. i don't even really understand what the point is at this point.

[pickled_heretic]

it's literally harmful to the medical community to pretend that genetic differences between races don't exist. aboriginal populations around the globe are more vulnerable to e.g. diabetes and cancer, prescribing the same dietary recommendations to everyone in the interest of being "color blind" is dangerous for their health. if you acknowledge that diabetes rates are higher among aboriginals, you must accept that there is some kind of genetic basis for race.

[Jimes]

Differences in disease frequencies in different populations ≠ the existence of race based on skin color. The entire field of anthropology is laughing at you.

[pickled_heretic]

Differences in disease frequencies in different populations ≠ the existence of race based on skin color. The entire field of anthropology is laughing at you.

Lol... okay. except differences in race largely boil down to differences in skin color. for instance, calling someone an aboriginal australian based on skin pigment and geological location. you'd be shocked to learn that that actually happened once. it may have even happened more than once! *gasp*

[Jimes]

Lol... okay. except differences in race largely boil down to differences in skin color.

For us, sure. Other cultures base their concept of race on completely different factors. That doesn't make it biological.

[pickled_heretic]

For us, sure. Other cultures base their concept of race on completely different factors. That doesn't make it biological.

our concept of race is at least in part based on biological factors. such as, skin tone. hair color. eye color. are you arguing against that? what is your point?

[Drem]

race is based completely on biological factors. living in japan doesn't make you japanese. if you don't have italian blood you can't join the mafia. etc etc.... it's like 100% biological. the fuck else could it be?

[Orruar]

This is like an article from the Onion. I can see it now...

Scientists from MIT were shocked today to discover that race is not biological in nature. When studying why black couples tend to have black children and white couples tend to have white children, Professor Howard Jenkins and his research team found it to simply be "one huge fucking coincidence". Next, Jenkins and his team plan to study whether there is any reason why children seem to only be born from heterosexual mating.

[pickled_heretic]

This is like an article from the Onion. I can see it now...

Scientists from MIT were shocked today to discover that race is not biological in nature. When studying why black couples tend to have black children and white couples tend to have white children, Professor Howard Jenkins and his research team found it to simply be "one huge fucking coincidence". Next, Jenkins and his team plan to study whether there is any reason why children seem to only be born from heterosexual mating.

i lol'd irl, thank you

[pickled_heretic]

"Race" is based on external physical characteristics, primarily skin tone (ex. "whites," "blacks.")

Hasbinbad posted this in another thread. So I guess we can call this thread a win for pickled_heretic. thank you all for coming

[ColdFritter]

I'm not going anywhere, I'm still anxiously awaiting HBB's hilarious retort.

[Jimes]

So what race is this guy?

[Truth]

mudblood

[Diggles]

race is based completely on biological factors. living in japan doesn't make you japanese. if you don't have italian blood you can't join the mafia. etc etc.... it's like 100% biological. the fuck else could it be?

you thought the word "holocaust" was invented after the Jewish Holocaust. Eat a dick.

[Knuckle]

being different is NOT ok.

[EnnoiaII]

So what race is this guy?

He appears to be an Erudite.

[pickled_heretic]

if you can successfully classify just one person's race based on physical appearances alone, that means race is at least somewhat based on physical appearance (which is genetically heritable).

does anyone disagree with that statement? "one huge fucking coincidence" indeed.

[Diggles]

cant tell the difference between an african american and an australian aboriginal

or japanese vs chinese

or pretty much any asian "race" for that matter

all white people look the same, etc

[pickled_heretic]

all white people look the same, etc

sounds like a great example of a race to me.

[Diggles]

not all white people are the same "race"

[pickled_heretic]

not all white people are the same "race"

the term "white race" does not exist according to diggles.

[pickled_heretic]

Race is classification of humans into large and distinct populations or groups by factors such as heritable phenotypic characteristics or geographic ancestry, but also often influenced by and correlated with traits such as appearance, culture, ethnicity, and socio-economic status.

anything here you disagree with? the wikipedia definition. it seems like the definition matches almost perfectly with mine. just so we can clarify what you are actually arguing about that you disagree with.

[Diggles]

considering you could have edited wikipedia just for this discussion, great source.

the term "white race" is incorrect.

[Autotune]

considering you could have edited wikipedia just for this discussion, great source.

the term "white race" is incorrect.

2 idiots has a similar view on what the definition of race is, who knew?

[pickled_heretic]

considering you could have edited wikipedia just for this discussion, great source.


i'm not using it as a source, i'm using it to clarify my definition. is there anything in there you disagree with?

[Autotune]

2 idiots has a similar view on what the definition of race is, who knew?

have have have have have have have have have have have have

[pickled_heretic]

2 idiots has a similar view on what the definition of race is, who knew?

it is best when calling someone an idiot to not come across as an idiot yourself. the cause that your point loses its impetus.

[Diggles]

the entire page

[Diggles]

also I just woke up 30 minutes ago so fuck youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

[pickled_heretic]

the entire page

can you provide specifics? do you think that people simply never classify people based on heritable phenotypic traits? or do you think that these traits simply do not exist?

[Diggles]

People can classify people based on traits all they want, doesn't make race any more of an ethnicity

[pickled_heretic]

People can classify people based on traits all they want, doesn't make race any more of an ethnicity

wut

[Diggles]

there's a difference i swear

[Autotune]

it is best when calling someone an idiot to not come across as an idiot yourself. the cause that your point loses its impetus.

The difference is, I can correct my typing error. There is no hope for your lack of intelligence.

[pickled_heretic]

I am more accurate at assessing race from skeletal remains than from looking at living people standing before me

Dr. George W. Gill is a professor of anthropology at the University of Wyoming. He also serves as the forensic anthropologist for Wyoming law-enforcement agencies and the Wyoming State Crime Laboratory.

[pickled_heretic]

The difference is, I can correct my typing error.

not in RnF.

[pickled_heretic]

First, I have found that forensic anthropologists attain a high degree of accuracy in determining geographic racial affinities (white, black, American Indian, etc.) by utilizing both new and traditional methods of bone analysis. Many well-conducted studies were reported in the late 1980s and 1990s that test methods objectively for percentage of correct placement. Numerous individual methods involving midfacial measurements, femur traits, and so on are over 80 percent accurate alone, and in combination produce very high levels of accuracy. No forensic anthropologist would make a racial assessment based upon just one of these methods, but in combination they can make very reliable assessments, just as in determining sex or age. In other words, multiple criteria are the key to success in all of these determinations.

[pickled_heretic]

skeletal biologists, particularly forensic anthropologists, will see races as biologically real. The common person on the street who sees only a person's skin color, hair form, and face shape will also tend to see races as biologically real. They are not incorrect.

[Autotune]

not in RnF.

actually you can, if you know how. I just didn't, because I generally don't care.

[Diggles]

teach me

[pickled_heretic]

my first thought was that you could enter the url manually, but that doesn't work.

[Autotune]

teach me

That would ruin RnF imo.

[Diggles]

PMs?

Although I'd probably edit every post in my old TMO PETITIONS thread to an autoplay of 'Going to the Store'

[Autotune]

PMs?

Although I'd probably edit every post in my old TMO PETITIONS thread to an autoplay of 'Going to the Store'

It doesn't let you go that far back in time lol. You are overestimating the power of the RnF edit.

[pickled_heretic]

as far as i can tell, autotune is blowing smoke. every attempt to edit a post is greeted by a permissions error. unless autotune has secret admin powers. lol

[Diggles]

TMO runs RnF, dummy.

[oblexsis]

as far as i can tell, autotune is blowing smoke. every attempt to edit a post is greeted by a permissions error. unless autotune has secret admin powers. lol

You cant edit RnF posts . Makes it more fun this way

[Autotune]

as far as i can tell, autotune is blowing smoke. every attempt to edit a post is greeted by a permissions error. unless autotune has secret admin powers. lol

i'm not the only one that is aware of the secret power.

[pickled_heretic]

You cant edit RnF posts . Makes it more fun this way

i know, thanks. autotune contends that there is in fact a way to edit your posts in RnF.

[pickled_heretic]

i'm not the only one that is aware of the secret power.

confirmed smoke blower

[Autotune]

TMO runs RnF, dummy.

you know, i bet your former teacher knows how. He's been around for awhile.

[Diggles]

my smoke has definitely been blown

[Jimes]

pickled can you ID the man in the picture I posted? What race is he? The point is that you can not accurately and definitively classify people based on factors such as skin color, which means it doesn't really work as a biological classification. And no one is saying that people don't have different traits, such as skin colors. But that's not a concrete biological difference that puts you into a "race" anymore than having big vs. small earlobes does.

[pickled_heretic]

pickled can you ID the man in the picture I posted? What race is he? The point is that you can not accurately and definitively classify people based on factors such as skin color, which means it doesn't really work as a biological classification. And no one is saying that people don't have different traits, such as skin colors. But that's not a concrete biological difference that puts you into a "race" anymore than having big vs. small earlobes does.

if you can successfully classify just one person's race based on physical appearances alone, that means race is at least somewhat based on physical appearance (which is genetically heritable).

[pickled_heretic]

the various human races possess clines, just like other animals do. races are gradiated geographically and phenotypically just like other species are in nature. can you say that dog breeds as a whole do not exist simply because there are some mixes that defy conventional breed classification? what utter tripe.

[Tokko]

TLDR

Some white men mad at penis size and general lack of coordination looking for answers.

[Peatree]

Black people sink.