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Rogean
04-06-2010, 06:05 PM
Basically, The server is down due to DDoS. Attacker finally threw the kitchen sink at us and decided to do a consistent attack instead of the little pansy 5 minute bursts. I could put the server up on other hardware like before and run it again, but hes just going to keep attacking. I'm going to concede this childish battle, for now.

We are not giving up, but we are studying our options currently, and we will have something planned out soon. I don't see us being down for longer than a week or two, and I'll have an exact date for our return soon.

Mr. Attacker, if you have any balls, come speak to me in IRC. I'm just curious what the reasons are this time.

Also, I invite everyone else to come join us in the IRC Server: irc.eqemulator.net (6667) #Project1999

andymc1980
04-06-2010, 06:08 PM
Shame it has to be this way, hope u get it sorted soon m8.

Mordachai
04-06-2010, 06:12 PM
ugh :(

maximum
04-06-2010, 06:12 PM
Time to inhale the pollen outside!

Talori
04-06-2010, 06:14 PM
Not sure how corpse timers work, but will our corpses be retrievable if the server is down for so long? I may be only level 22 without much for gear, but I do value what little I have sitting on my corpse that I was unable to log back in to retrieve :(

PearlJammzz
04-06-2010, 06:14 PM
Good time...finals weeks. I almost feel like thanking the fellow? lol Sucks though cause I have been working ahead so that I could get in one night this week.

Isn't there some kind of DDoS protection you can get? I guess if it's random IP's over, and over then there is little that can be done ya?

Humerox
04-06-2010, 06:16 PM
We went through it before. Sad...but my 10 years of waiting for P99 makes a week or two of this pale in comparison.

Mr. Attacker...I'm going out later to catch a movie, kick the dog...and cuddle with the old lady. Or cuddle with the dog and kick the old lady. Whichever seems like more fun. Enjoy yourself. :)

PearlJammzz
04-06-2010, 06:22 PM
I had a thought...anything to do with the TTH post becoming public today? maybe it's just some lame kid in his mom's basement griefing for lawls?

KingKoopa
04-06-2010, 06:22 PM
Dont take the server down=( this is way the attacker wanted.....you let him win..i say let him lag the server he cant keep it up forever..and didnt you say if he did it for more than 10 minutes you could trace him anyways?

Broggernaut
04-06-2010, 06:27 PM
Dont take the server down=( this is way the attacker wanted.....you let him win..i say let him lag the server he cant keep it up forever..and didnt you say if he did it for more than 10 minutes you could trace him anyways?

I think the constant lag leading to countless deaths and an overall low player count will do far more damage to the server's integrity than taking it down for a short period of time.

Thanks for all your work and help on this project, Rogean.

I'm sorry to see things went this way--it's a shame our DDoS attacker has chosen to take such a childish route. I actually feel bad for him.

Bones
04-06-2010, 06:27 PM
Dont take the server down=( this is way the attacker wanted.....you let him win..i say let him lag the server he cant keep it up forever..and didnt you say if he did it for more than 10 minutes you could trace him anyways?

I heard that too... and he had it going for well over half an hour.

Anyways - This guy needs to get a fuckin life.
Seriously... who dedicates this much of their time to attack an emu server.

jackmacncheese
04-06-2010, 06:34 PM
It sucks the server is down, but makes me realize I wouldn't be having these feelings if you guys had never made it so awesome in the first place. Just want to thank all the people who have been working on P99 for making it such an awesome experience and I thank you again in advance for going through all the trouble to sort out this mess.

Porz
04-06-2010, 06:36 PM
Could we possibly have a vote. It seems like alot would rather deal with the lag than let this guy get the best of all of us.

On another note I will still be donating when i get paid thursday hopefully to fund getting this problem fixed.

pdobelstein
04-06-2010, 06:39 PM
In the meantime, are any of the other servers in that list comparable? Or are they all expansion wide open?


Also can't some kind of block for that type of attack be put in via software and not a hardware based appliance?

wacko
04-06-2010, 06:43 PM
I was just wondering what would happen to ppl who died and didnt retrieve their items from their corpses. If it decays after 7 days (idk if time stops or wtv in game when its locked) will there be a possibility to get our corpse/items back from a GM?

thanks

Porz
04-06-2010, 06:47 PM
I was just wondering what would happen to ppl who died and didnt retrieve their items from their corpses. If it decays after 7 days (idk if time stops or wtv in game when its locked) will there be a possibility to get our corpse/items back from a GM?

thanks

That would be a mess.

KingKoopa
04-06-2010, 06:48 PM
yea i would rather just deal with the lag than take the server down....i mean i know it god bad for a bit but seriously...i think he would of quit eventually after he seen it didnt drive the playerbase away...now that he sees its down Mission acomplished for him

Crone
04-06-2010, 06:51 PM
Maybe this will be my opportunity to make the house spotless.. I'm slowly but surely getting motivated to dive into house work. ;)

Kennebec
04-06-2010, 06:51 PM
It sucks the server is down, but makes me realize I wouldn't be having these feelings if you guys had never made it so awesome in the first place. Just want to thank all the people who have been working on P99 for making it such an awesome experience and I thank you again in advance for going through all the trouble to sort out this mess.

Ditto. I can wait because the experience in P99 has been great. It will be worth the wait.

Examino
04-06-2010, 06:54 PM
and what would stop him from doing this again when the server comes back up?

Elendae
04-06-2010, 06:57 PM
How does one 'deal with the lag'? It was upwards of several minutes before I'd get a response back from the server. Can you imagine being new to emulators and going through this? I'd be turned off instantly.

I just really hate the timing on all this. Some positive press from tentonhammer and all this goes down. I really want to see this server succeed.

LevinJ
04-06-2010, 06:58 PM
/ignites the flamewar...

Will this push back the opening of Kunark by the same amount of time???

/duck the fists flying in my direction.
/hide

Uaellaen
04-06-2010, 07:04 PM
nooooo you cant do this >< we have raid tomorow!!! *giggles*

if you need any help from us as community to solve this issue, dont hesitate, i can assure you we are ALL helping with whatever we can! just ask ;)

Bad_Larry
04-06-2010, 07:04 PM
Can't you file a police report or something?

Espada
04-06-2010, 07:08 PM
Screw a police report, let's find this guys RL loc and all go nerd rage on him!

LOL. Really, it's not gonna kill any of us to take a break for a few days and enjoy some real life, it is summer like weather out ya know?

And thanks to all the admin again, this is an awesome server, I've had non-stop fun, even with the DDOS attacks. YOU GUYS ROCK!

Espada

Uaellaen
04-06-2010, 07:13 PM
to be quite honest, we had some good laughs caused by the ddos :P so its not all bad ;)

Bad_Larry
04-06-2010, 07:14 PM
I work for a police department in central Mass. I don't understand what a DDOS attack is or how it works, but we have had people come in to report things as crazy as having WOW accounts hacked, or facebook accounts hijacked. I don't deal with any of these issues because I only work 25 hours a week with the 3rd shift traffic division/patrols. But if you are interested in pursuing it further, I'm sure I could get you in touch with the right person.

CynderR
04-06-2010, 07:15 PM
I just wanted to thank project1999 for the memories you have dug up from my highschool years.
I have only been playing on your server for less then a week, but so much has been dug up from the few events i experienced in this short time.
Even the lag was a great memory of my 56k modem, or waiting for the servers to come back up that first faithful night during my first night in beta.

So thank you so much project1999, i know i was there for the worst, but it was still a great experience for me.

Big props to you all.

J

Agaron
04-06-2010, 07:18 PM
You can actually see some jail time for doing this if caught, and there is many ways of preventing it if you got the funds.

Reiker
04-06-2010, 07:19 PM
Stop banning people because of personal beef imo.

Xebarsis
04-06-2010, 07:21 PM
Perhaps we could have our donations focused on the purchase of a program specifically designed to block DDOS attacks. I did a quick Google search; these kinds of programs exist but they're a little pricey.

Uaellaen
04-06-2010, 07:24 PM
http://www.blockdos.net/ is the first hit i found, i didnt read it .. but 350$ for software and 150$ for first time installation doesnt sound pricey to me =o



hmmm i just read some more, they even have a "emergency service" when the ddos just occured ...
http://www.blockdos.net/underattack.html

Espada
04-06-2010, 07:25 PM
Personal beef? Umm, more like exploiters, and they should be banned.

Yeah, good protection software is expensive, makes you wonder if these companies have the DDOS hackers working for them, =(

Mmohunter
04-06-2010, 07:25 PM
Dev/GM's if you need help with funding for a DDOS blocker please pm me, or email me.

Porz
04-06-2010, 07:28 PM
Dev/GM's if you need help with funding for a DDOS blocker please pm me, or email me.

Me as well.

oldhead
04-06-2010, 07:29 PM
http://g.imagehost.org/0474/FUUUU.jpg

Find him....

if he is in my area (Jersey / PA / DE)

he will never use a keyboard again.

oldhead
04-06-2010, 07:29 PM
I'm serious. Minor or adult... doesn't matter.

Bentheb
04-06-2010, 07:30 PM
http://g.imagehost.org/0474/FUUUU.jpg

Find him....

if he is in my area (Jersey / PA / DE)

he will never use a keyboard again.


Withdrawl already?

Uaellaen
04-06-2010, 07:30 PM
maybe you should check your friends basements :o

Bones
04-06-2010, 07:31 PM
Stop banning people because of personal beef imo.

Please... enlighten us.

Pyratess
04-06-2010, 07:33 PM
I agree with everyone else, this server's strength is really its people :) Thanks for being so awesome, everyone! I've made some really good friends who, luckily, I got in touch with elsewhere on the internetz so I can still keep up with them.

And you know that when this passes the server population and enthusiasm will be... dare I say it?...

http://imgur.com/94HLO.png

:p Good hunting in the RL, all

xorbier
04-06-2010, 07:35 PM
I'd be willing to donate a significant amount of money if it went towards the investigation of this person and the prevention of his attacks. I'm sure others would as well if we had an understanding of where the money would go. Something to consider.

I recently found this server after quiting wow and have been having a blast!! To all those considering joining this server I highly recommend it! It's the classic EQ experience!

Thanks for all the time and effort spent creating this server! It's much appreciated!

L0stman
04-06-2010, 07:35 PM
Thanks for the server - my wife and I have been enjoying it.

I died during the lag bursts and due to the issues I was unable to retrieve the corpse. Is it going to rot?

Parz
04-06-2010, 07:36 PM
Rogean you are the man I have faith!
whatever you have in the works im sure will resolve the problem with this fag bot. I needed a break from this chaos anyway. just gotta chill these *****'s out and wait for the Wolf who should be headed directly!



Grimskull da Turmentur

jkfranklin
04-06-2010, 07:42 PM
raped, what will all the kids who sit at home all day and play p99 aka hasbin do now?

Shurid
04-06-2010, 07:43 PM
Rogean posted this in another thread:

We will do a database query to push the corpse timers ahead to make up the difference.

Axion
04-06-2010, 07:45 PM
I would be willing to contribute a large portion of money as well to implement a protection system for the future.

Falisaty
04-06-2010, 08:00 PM
You can actually see some jail time for doing this if caught, and there is many ways of preventing it if you got the funds.

yes they can if caught... they could face time in a "federal pound you in the ass prison" ~ office space

Nedala
04-06-2010, 08:03 PM
I would be willing to contribute a large portion of money as well to implement a protection system for the future.

me too.


Maybe its toddles? :D

Maybe its SOE? ( it seriously would not surprise me since they are a fucking commerce company and nothing more, didnt they destroy eq after they bought it from verant?same thing with vanguard after they noticed vanguard is gonna be a competition? well i dont actually believe they are attacking our server but it wouldnt surprise me)

Maybe its somone of one of those other servers who is mad cuz we have the biggest population, or just somone who got banned from our server.

However, this is so sad :/

Finawin
04-06-2010, 08:06 PM
raped, what will all the kids who sit at home all day and play p99 aka hasbin do now?

You sound butthurt, kid. Are you butthurt?

Rabkorik
04-06-2010, 08:18 PM
You sound butthurt, kid. Are you butthurt?

I think he's butthurt.

Webwolf
04-06-2010, 08:18 PM
Personal beef? Umm, more like exploiters, and they should be banned.
I was thinking the same thing, this is probably someone who was banned due to the stacking bug. Does the timeline consist with the beginning of the attacks?

iamjacksrage
04-06-2010, 08:22 PM
NOOO!! i have a corpse with a shit load of cash on it!@!!!!!!!!!!!!! Will i be able to get my body?!?!?!!?!?

Bones
04-06-2010, 08:27 PM
I was thinking the same thing, this is probably someone who was banned due to the stacking bug. Does the timeline consist with the beginning of the attacks?

Not at all. These attacks have been going on since the beginning.
I am confident its the same guy who has been doing it the whole time.
I also highly doubt its some guy who was simply banned, since it is VERY easy to get back in the server.

I put my money on some butthurt vztz douche who isn't happy about losing some of their population to p1999.

Isphet
04-06-2010, 08:33 PM
First of all, greeting P99. I love this server! Just found it a week ago, and wow is it awesome to play EQ original again... mega props to Roagie and all for making this a reality.

Let's be honest: people that were exploiting and then got banned were already ruining the game for us due to the artificial watering down of the economy. Waiting for a week or so is small potatoes compared to standing up to these people.

Oh well, either way, life goes on. It's just funny how one or two jacktards can ruin something for everyone else.

postmoderntease0
04-06-2010, 08:33 PM
I was thinking the same thing, this is probably someone who was banned due to the stacking bug. Does the timeline consist with the beginning of the attacks?

Yeah, I'll bet *anything* that the responsible party was, at a bare minimum, someone who was banned, and most likely over the stacking bug. Moreover, there's nothing to say that the same person is responsible for every instance of DDoS attack. It could be that the person responsible for this burst of it just got their idea from the last asshole.

BuzWeaver
04-06-2010, 08:36 PM
Sorry to hear about the DDoS attack. After reading the article from the TTH News Letter I was very excited about playing. I loaded the game on Sunday and within the first few minutes I was awash with the old school nostalgia.

I called my close friends and told them all about it. I'm pretty sure they will be playing soon to. Now that the article is public its probably getting a good bit of attention. Lets hope people will drop by the forums so they'll know what's going on.

I'm very much looking forward to playing again and I hope this situation is quickly resolved.

Amareck
04-06-2010, 08:40 PM
Ahh, can't blame you devs. Thanks for the update and all of your actions to date. GL with the recovery.

I can't help but notice the strong feeling of community support here. I think that if you ask, you will get. This server has been the best gaming I've had in about 4 years - in for a penny, in for a pound :)

Curtoph
04-06-2010, 08:46 PM
Yeah, my main character died in Unrest, and i was too lazy to get it right away (level 35 mage) so.. no i regret not going to grab it :(

jilena
04-06-2010, 08:48 PM
Oh well! I should probably catch up on some sleep anyway!

Thanks so much for the awesome experience thus far, I am so happy to have found this server. Don't let this silliness discourage you.

zarina

url0st
04-06-2010, 08:49 PM
http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?p=39905#post39905

Just some thoughts... if we could as a community help out and not keep us down two weeks I think we need to ban together and do so.

maultar
04-06-2010, 08:50 PM
I'll do whatever whenever a dev comes on and says ok here's the plan. And also adds high quality ore to cities. :P

url0st
04-06-2010, 08:51 PM
I'll do whatever whenever a dev comes on and says ok here's the plan.

Thats exactly what we need!

Malrubius
04-06-2010, 08:57 PM
My limited understanding is that DDoS attacks aren't too hard to stop these days, but it will take some time to get the software (or front-end hardware?) in place that automatically boots attacker.

Thanks you guys for all the hard work! If contributions will help for the cost of whatever defensive software (or hardware?) is needed - please let us know.

Axion
04-06-2010, 08:57 PM
I think we have a lot of people willing to donate to keep this thing running for a long time. Lets make good on our willingness to donate...however we need a direction, a plan, a sense that this thing will be quashed and dealt with if we contribute hundreds of dollars. Personally I know it will be taken care of but what I think people are looking for is a way to donate money to expedite the process. I for one know the DEVS love this project as much as the players and they wont let some "basement baby" ruin it.

Thanks for all your hard work!

/cheer

xorbier
04-06-2010, 09:03 PM
"I'll do whatever whenever a dev comes on and says ok here's the plan."

Brund the Decrepit
04-06-2010, 09:07 PM
Actually in regards to legal consequences, the FBI can become and have become involved in DDoS attacks. The only issue I am not sure on is that since this is not a money making business that could affect how or if the FBI would investigate.

Hasbinbad
04-06-2010, 09:09 PM
raped, what will all the kids who sit at home all day and play p99 aka hasbin do now?
I will continue nurturing my carpal tunnel syndrome by fapping to pictures of your mother.

Vyal
04-06-2010, 09:09 PM
If it's a syn flood there are very easy ways to stop them but..

Have you tried making a small program to track & log all signed in IP's then weed out the slaves?? If the server is getting anything from someone not logged into the game then maybe you found the some of the slaves?

After all no one here has downloaded any kinda programs to be considered a slave. So we need to find which networks are launching these attacks.

bash# netstat -lpn|grep :80|awk '{print $5}'|sort
iptables -A INPUT -s <Source IP> -j DROP
is your friend...

You need help writing some quick code to do this for you PM me.

choklo
04-06-2010, 09:27 PM
I think we have a lot of people willing to donate to keep this thing running for a long time. Lets make good on our willingness to donate...however we need a direction, a plan, a sense that this thing will be quashed and dealt with if we contribute hundreds of dollars. Personally I know it will be taken care of but what I think people are looking for is a way to donate money to expedite the process. I for one know the DEVS love this project as much as the players and they wont let some "basement baby" ruin it.

Thanks for all your hard work!

/cheer


I started a similar thread on the server chat section.

I think we have alot of people that could donate a significant amount to fix and prevent this type of problem in the future. We just need some direction and a plan. I'm sure this will happen, since we have such great devs. It's just hard not to know what's going on right now.

President
04-06-2010, 09:41 PM
The problem with DDoS attacks is that if it GETS to the server, its going to do the damage regardless of whether the server rejects it or not.

The host/carriers need to attempt to stop it.

Vyal
04-06-2010, 09:50 PM
Find the slave networks and block em it's that simple granted the master could setup another attack but it would take some time.

A: Create and implement your own code to do that all for you automatically for instance have something to check for multiple IPs say 20 or so and block the host network.

B: GET RID OF LINUX SERVERS!

C: Not sure what to tell ya get a better firewall?

Dr.Spike
04-06-2010, 09:53 PM
why not put down the Login server to? so if the DDOSer is someone from another server they will suffer too if not, atleast the other Devs on the other servers will help us to catch the one doing this

Shrubwise
04-06-2010, 09:54 PM
why not put down the Login server to? so if the DDOSer is someone from another server they will suffer too if not, atleast the other Devs on the other servers will help us to catch the one doing this

Some people may be playing other servers to pass the time. Not a good idea IMHO.

fastboy21
04-06-2010, 10:07 PM
I am relatively new to project1999...but I truly love classic EQ, and feel it is worth preserving and worth being made playable for people today.

My original plan was to cancel my live accounts (I have 2---an EQ and a Station Pass) if I decided to continue playing on project1999 after several months. Then to donate that money to the project each month. This is set to happen starting next month.

In addition I would also be willing to make a large one-time donation to the project to address this ddos issue. I can not, however, rationalize shooting hundreds of dollars off into cyberspace from my bank account unless I knew roughly what it was going to used for...hardware, software, service, etc.

If the devs are willing to say:
We have a solution. The solution is X. X costs _____.

Then I will make a generous donation, as it seems at least several people in this thread alone have said they would do.

Its an offer. If you want my help please let me know.

mixxit
04-06-2010, 10:21 PM
and what would stop him from doing this again when the server comes back up?

nothing

faenyar
04-06-2010, 10:22 PM
B: GET RID OF LINUX SERVERS!


You obviously don't have a single fucking clue what you're talking about.

Auvdar
04-06-2010, 10:24 PM
I guess I really dont have an excuse to not play FFXIII, Assasins Creed 2, Darksiders, God of War 3(hard mode) anymore. Then again, by the time I get done with FFXIII, server will most likely be back up.

And yes, if there was some DDoS fix, even if it was costly, im sure a lot of people would be willing to donate.

Malrubius
04-06-2010, 10:25 PM
The problem with DDoS attacks is that if it GETS to the server, its going to do the damage regardless of whether the server rejects it or not.

The host/carriers need to attempt to stop it.

Isn't there front-end hardware (or I suppose software) that will help block this stuff? In other words, there is the ability to block the stuff (i.e. repeated spam attacks, etc.) *before* it gets to the server, but without having to have the ISP/host/carriers do it - true?

Vyal
04-06-2010, 10:30 PM
Linux can't compete with anything windows can do the windows server are sooo much more trust worthy and the security is better.

Sorry I don't want to get into that with you alot of hard heads out there like linux but i'm not one of them.

President
04-06-2010, 10:34 PM
Linux can't compete with anything windows can do the windows server are sooo much more trust worthy and the security is better.

Sorry I don't want to get into that with you alot of hard heads out there like linux but i'm not one of them.

The rest of your post showed you have no idea what you are talking about as well.

President
04-06-2010, 10:40 PM
Isn't there front-end hardware (or I suppose software) that will help block this stuff? In other words, there is the ability to block the stuff (i.e. repeated spam attacks, etc.) *before* it gets to the server, but without having to have the ISP/host/carriers do it - true?

To an extent. It's all about how its set up and how much bandwidth he is being provided. They are moving the server next week to a better hosting company which should *hopefully* deter this, but if the server stays up but through DDoS uses MAD bandwidth the bill is going to be enormous. Even if you toss in a firewall or other hardware between the server and the uplink it still depends on the bandwidth between them. It might help, but even doing discards, blocks, reroutes, etc. still uses resources, and if the DDoS is large enough it will use up all the resources doing discards etc.

The server was already moved once to a place that had some sort of DDoS protection, but thats the problem with DDoS, if its large enough, it's GOING to cause a problem.

Poww
04-06-2010, 10:43 PM
Isn't there front-end hardware (or I suppose software) that will help block this stuff? In other words, there is the ability to block the stuff (i.e. repeated spam attacks, etc.) *before* it gets to the server, but without having to have the ISP/host/carriers do it - true?

What president said is right.. I'm guessing its an issue with going over bandwidth, which usually ends up in costing big bucks. You have a certain commited rate and should you go over that, expect fees.

I actually work for the most expensive datacentre outsourcer in North America, so I'm not sure how the lower budget ones work, but we will not filter traffic on our side of the network.. Your traffic is your traffic. This is seen as good and bad, obviously it's good because you will never have issues with us filtering any legitimate traffic.. but then you have issues with DDoS.. Again though, if you get DDoS you use more bandwidth, which raises your 95th percentile, which means you will most likely be paying. Of course if someone if havign a real bad problem and it goes on for a few days we will intervene, offer assistance, or just offer to shut the port to save them some money.

Getting back to the point, if traffic is getting to your network, you can filter it all you want, but its still using bandwidth which you pay for, if it hits the server or fills the pipe, you of course get the lag we were getting.

bionicbadger
04-06-2010, 10:46 PM
Isn't there front-end hardware (or I suppose software) that will help block this stuff? In other words, there is the ability to block the stuff (i.e. repeated spam attacks, etc.) *before* it gets to the server, but without having to have the ISP/host/carriers do it - true?

An inline Intrusion Prevention System (IPS) does this, as can some firewalls. They detect stuff like Syn floods or excessive traffic and a bunch of other stuff and can automatically drop that traffic. That costs money though. You can get older hardware off ebay semi-cheap, but to licence it for the latest signatures and to licence the server software to manage it costs a bunch of money - several thousand/year.

Wait until they install the new server in the new data center and hopefulyl the new ISP/data center will be able to take care of the DDoS.

Caere
04-06-2010, 10:49 PM
Please... enlighten us.

Bro got banned and butthurt.
see 3rd post down here: http://forum.shardsofdalaya.com/showthread.php?t=17059&page=2

u mad?

Zilo
04-06-2010, 10:56 PM
Glad i looted my corpse with the Mistwalker on it, thought it would be safer to cut my 90% exp rez lose.....boy am i glad i did that =P


Zilo lvl 50 Ranger of IB-MAIN

Suffer lvl 37 Shadow Knight-alt

Mugwy lvl 50 Paladin of IB- Relative alt

Modal
04-06-2010, 11:06 PM
Isn't there front-end hardware (or I suppose software) that will help block this stuff?

According the hosts website, they already employ it. From http://www.nocster.com/network.shtml

"The network is protected from Distributed Denial of Service (DDOS) attacks via Cisco Guard™ protection systems."

This brings to mind 2 points:

1) The CG appliance can run in two distinct modes, one of which requires specific user intervention in order to reroute the traffic when a DoS attack is detected. I've seen companies contract out the configuration of this appliance, then fail to read the post-setup documentation explaining the steps to actually use it when it's needed, essentially turning it into a several thousand dollar bottleneck.

2) How the heck is it not stopping this? I've seen those little machines kill absolutely brutal attacks in no time flat, which leads me to believe that the P1999 server is either outside of a configured zone or Nocster isn't real clear on how to set the machine up.

Oh, and the pictures there are kinda scary too. Looks like a bunch of PCs on aluminum shelving. I've got a couple of empty HP racks in my garage if they need any.

Bones
04-06-2010, 11:22 PM
Bro got banned and butthurt.
see 3rd post down here: http://forum.shardsofdalaya.com/showthread.php?t=17059&page=2

u mad?

Ohhhh lol. All makes sense. :D

Bugaman
04-06-2010, 11:34 PM
How Large of a community donation would it take us to be protected from the DDoSer? Im being serious when I say this, I dont mind giving a lump sum to end this problem. Thanks and plz respond with a real answer GMs, If there is one, I dont know. Thats why Im asking.

Vyal
04-06-2010, 11:35 PM
Honestly I don't think it's even a ddos attack more then likely some f'd code someplace creating weird server sided loops killing the CPU.

After reading about the servers he has there just isn't anyway. Lies made up bs lies is all I see here.

gimper42
04-06-2010, 11:37 PM
Honestly I don't think it's even a ddos attack more then likely some f'd code someplace creating weird server sided loops killing the CPU.

After reading about the servers he has there just isn't anyway. Lies made up bs lies is all I see here.

Have another drink.

Vyal
04-06-2010, 11:42 PM
I don't see any other servers having issues...
If your grudge is with the EMU in general why attack one specific server?
If it's a specific attack on this server then it shoulda been takin care of from the people who run the datacenter.

Is Rogean - Image?

clbreastmilk
04-06-2010, 11:43 PM
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w61/kmschaef001/newb.jpg

gimper42
04-06-2010, 11:44 PM
Oh man. I haven't seen that one in probably 15 years. Laughed hard. Thanks!

Vyal
04-06-2010, 11:51 PM
I dunno maybe it is a attack but everyone in this community is hard headed & the gms like to go nuts it cuss people out and dictate who can raid and who cant tbh you guys seem like you asked for it. Time is like cash to people you start fucking with someone that way your gonna get fucking screw'd. It's ok maybe you guys will get to play in a few weeks keep up your stupidly retarded attitudes folks.

atvaata
04-06-2010, 11:55 PM
Honestly I don't think it's even a ddos attack more then likely some f'd code someplace creating weird server sided loops killing the CPU.

After reading about the servers he has there just isn't anyway. Lies made up bs lies is all I see here.

Vyal,

http://www.akacrasher.com/stuff/FAIL/shipment-of-fail.jpg

that is all.

atvaata
04-06-2010, 11:57 PM
I dunno maybe it is a attack but everyone in this community is hard headed & the gms like to go nuts it cuss people out and dictate who can raid and who cant tbh you guys seem like you asked for it. Time is like cash to people you start fucking with someone that way your gonna get fucking screw'd. It's ok maybe you guys will get to play in a few weeks keep up your stupidly retarded attitudes folks.

the reason theyre not attacking other servers specific IP is because they have major beef with this server, and this server only.. Or else theyd bring the login down too..

SOMEONE IS A NOOB AND EETS NAWT MEH

Dac321
04-06-2010, 11:58 PM
I bet its that crappy SoD population. Most of them are complete douches.

Vyal
04-07-2010, 12:00 AM
Wow any ideas why anyone would have some kinda beef with this server?

It wasn't cool that some guy who doesn't seem like he could program his way out of a tissue box cussed me out for telling him his server was about to bite the dust then 3 hours late it bit the dust.

Making enemies ain't the way to go, i'm sure if you all keep giving some random no name cash you may just get a server to play on in a few weeks but since he's so smart you know it won't get attacked and brought down the very hour he puts it back up LOL.

atvaata
04-07-2010, 12:03 AM
Wow any ideas why anyone would have some kinda beef with this server?

1) we stole from the player base of other servers

2) Butthurt they got banned for exploiting/hacking

3) They got trolled beyond belief

4) theyve nothing better do to....


My guess is all of the above.

atvaata
04-07-2010, 12:04 AM
Maybe youre the DDOSER! Time to IPBAN VYAL OMGOMGOMG I FOUND HIM

Kazmik
04-07-2010, 12:08 AM
Woah! Easy on the SoD players. Most are actually quite cool. Not sure what would give you that idea about SoD players or where that comment came from... I'd almost like to know. Also, this thread is about the server being down. Not your opinion about who is responsible for it...

Thanks devs for all your hard work.

Vyal
04-07-2010, 12:08 AM
ha ha who cares you people are fucking lame as shyt go get a fucking life

MogManX44
04-07-2010, 12:17 AM
ha ha who cares you people are fucking lame as shyt go get a fucking life

says the forum troll

atvaata
04-07-2010, 12:18 AM
ha ha who cares you people are fucking lame as shyt go get a fucking life


lets ipban this guy from all eqemu!

And Kaz, that thread on the SoD forums doesnt say much for your servers love of us *raises an inquiring eyebrow*

Kazmik
04-07-2010, 12:23 AM
Perhaps, but I have seen nothing like this on SoD. Been on that server since july 07 and have never heard of any attempt on the server. Not much for hackers, other than the occasional cheater who logs on too many toons or duplicates items.

atvaata
04-07-2010, 12:26 AM
Perhaps, but I have seen nothing like this on SoD. Been on that server since july 07 and have never heard of any attempt on the server. Not much for hackers, other than the occasional cheater who logs on too many toons or duplicates items.


Why would anyone openly announce that it was them DDOsing the server?

Thatd be in for a world of prison butthurt.

I was just stating that theres alot of hate in your forums :P

Dac321
04-07-2010, 12:41 AM
Not saying ALL SoD players are douches.. Just a lot. I had to give it up because the people were becoming to much like WoW players. Enough about them though.

Nedala
04-07-2010, 12:43 AM
Woah! Easy on the SoD players. Most are actually quite cool. Not sure what would give you that idea about SoD players or where that comment came from... I'd almost like to know.


http://forum.shardsofdalaya.com/showthread.php?t=17059&page=2

yep much hate in your forums clearly from peebs who got banned on this one and are mad, i bet vyal is one of them.

Intricus
04-07-2010, 01:09 AM
I would also be willing to donate if it meant getting this server going any sooner........

I've seen alot of people say the attacker has no life, has no friends, is anti-social, and lives out of his mother's basement.... Well I don't have much of a life myself, don't really believe there is such a thing as a true 'friend', and still live at home, so if that's true, then i'll tell you what...the attacker is one HAPPY TROLL right about now.:D

Cilraaz
04-07-2010, 01:18 AM
lets ipban this guy from all eqemu!

Dear god please. He doesn't have a fucking clue about anything that spews out of his mouth, and he does nothing but troll serious threads. Get rid of his ass.

hilikus010
04-07-2010, 01:23 AM
Man, Last time i started this server we got DDoS'd to death. i started 2 days ago again and same thing haha. Tough luck but amazing server. Im kinda broke but im down with the donating thing. I cant do hundreds or thousands like some of you, but im sure us little 10s and 20s can make an impact too. ill even pay 15 a month to play.

my question is though, could that get the admins sued by sony because they would be getting consistant "donations" (lawfully accepted as payments)?

reason i ask is because through my reasearch alot of firms, that garuntee success and run major servers that need heavy protection, want like 1.5k-8.5k a month which would require a monthly payment from us.

Last note. Im new to taxes, but could this be concidered a non profit organization where we could use it as a tax write-off? might allow some of us to donate more.


crap I gott hit level 14!!!!

Thorjorkill
04-07-2010, 01:44 AM
Why doesn't Ro let the community here know what a GOOD host will run per month. Full DDOS protection, gigabits of bandwidth, and dedicated servers.

Give us a number, I think you'll be surprised...

Glad to be back btw, I was a tester here.

trolleleet
04-07-2010, 01:48 AM
If 1 person sitting in his underpants can win, why even bother keep playing.

So the options are more money or no EQ, heck i could probably get Sony to make a p99 server in less then 2 weeks.

I would feel embarrassed and just after the TTH article.

Xebarsis
04-07-2010, 01:56 AM
So the options are more money or no EQ, heck i could probably get Sony to make a p99 server in less then 2 weeks.

You couldn't get Sony to make a classic server in a year.

Macroz
04-07-2010, 02:13 AM
Its prolly someone that SOE has employed doing it.

Sponge
04-07-2010, 02:18 AM
It would be really clever to attack a server in order to force them to spend money at your business for a solution.

So, whoever has Rogean's ear for solutions that cost money is likely the attacker. Ever watch 24? The threat is always from within.

Gorgetrapper
04-07-2010, 02:28 AM
Perhaps, but I have seen nothing like this on SoD. Been on that server since july 07 and have never heard of any attempt on the server. Not much for hackers, other than the occasional cheater who logs on too many toons or duplicates items.

I was on SoD since Feb 2005, and that server has been DDOS'd more than this server has. You haven't been there for the bad times SoD has been through. The reason they don't deal with it anymore, because SoD is pretty much stagnant. The amount of players on that server, is cut in half because of 2-boxing. So at the most, there is like 150-200 people playing at one time.

Intricus
04-07-2010, 02:33 AM
Well I suppose if we get an announcement from Rogaine sometime soon explaining that SoE 'bought' his server after discovering his project in that article, that will answer alot of theories.
...Perhaps the PJ '99 staff are negotiating with corporate SoE employees right now as I speak?

TheDudeAbides
04-07-2010, 02:58 AM
It would be really clever to attack a server in order to force them to spend money at your business for a solution.

So, whoever has Rogean's ear for solutions that cost money is likely the attacker. Ever watch 24? The threat is always from within.

I was thinking the same thing with my CT cap on earlier

ROGEAN LIED ABOUT WMD IMO

mitic
04-07-2010, 03:00 AM
looks like this hacker isnt aware that he isnt ddosing some random low-pop server. if i was him i would stop at once since he WILL get caught sooner or later cause people care (alot) on this server.

Goobles
04-07-2010, 03:04 AM
Man, I care alot. I care abunch. I care somuch!

Obviously he's DDoSing it because he doesn't like you, or what you are. Perhaps the same reason that Al Qaeda is a threat to the U.S.......

OH SHIT ITS FUCKING AL QAEDA!

jilena
04-07-2010, 06:46 AM
No : (

Ceridain
04-07-2010, 07:17 AM
I would feel embarrassed and just after the TTH article.

Perhaps this is the reasoning for the attack, SoE/Federales or not.

Torros
04-07-2010, 07:38 AM
lmao @ people thinking Sony gives a crap about our little emulation server!

This is all happening because of human drama. Someone got pissed for a specific reason and now he is dedicating his time and money to screwing over the source of the issue.

The only other conclusion I can think of is probably way out in left field. I trust P99.

^__ ^

stormlord
04-07-2010, 07:41 AM
ha ha who cares you people are fucking lame as shyt go get a fucking life

Treating people with disrespect and assuming things about them without knowing for sure is the best way to get you reputation ruined. Quiet down. I want to hear what you got to say, but you're saying it all wrong.

stormlord
04-07-2010, 07:51 AM
Man, Last time i started this server we got DDoS'd to death. i started 2 days ago again and same thing haha. Tough luck but amazing server. Im kinda broke but im down with the donating thing. I cant do hundreds or thousands like some of you, but im sure us little 10s and 20s can make an impact too. ill even pay 15 a month to play.

my question is though, could that get the admins sued by sony because they would be getting consistant "donations" (lawfully accepted as payments)?

reason i ask is because through my reasearch alot of firms, that garuntee success and run major servers that need heavy protection, want like 1.5k-8.5k a month which would require a monthly payment from us.

Last note. Im new to taxes, but could this be concidered a non profit organization where we could use it as a tax write-off? might allow some of us to donate more.


crap I gott hit level 14!!!!

Same here. When I left they had been DDOS'ed and when I come back they had been DDOS'ed for about a week or so. Can't win!

stormlord
04-07-2010, 07:55 AM
Its prolly someone that SOE has employed doing it.

Like a hit man? I doubt it. But hilarious :) I don't understand why someone would do this. If it was nerd rage, why would they keep doing it? How can you stay angry for so long? They need to figure out how to get the right protection or how to nail the person or persons that're doing this.

This reminds me of when they say website addresses on radio talk shows. The web sites almost always get shutdown because of massive traffic. I remember this on Art Bell.

stormlord
04-07-2010, 07:57 AM
It would be really clever to attack a server in order to force them to spend money at your business for a solution.

So, whoever has Rogean's ear for solutions that cost money is likely the attacker. Ever watch 24? The threat is always from within.

I think the butler did it.

Uaellaen
04-07-2010, 08:34 AM
Honestly I don't think it's even a ddos attack more then likely some f'd code someplace creating weird server sided loops killing the CPU.

After reading about the servers he has there just isn't anyway. Lies made up bs lies is all I see here.


yes you are right, it must be the CPU ... http://www.rogean.com/images/ddosbw.png doesnt show a netgraph, its clearly CPU load!

go back to your microsoft world of illusions and leave us alone kthxbai

cadiz
04-07-2010, 08:34 AM
Rogean, get us some IP addresses from a packet trace (http://www.wireshark.org/download.html) and I am sure some of us would be happy to address the threat(s) in other ways. Can the colo also not block some of them at the core/edge as it's obviously abuse?

Sponge
04-07-2010, 09:06 AM
Wouldn't you just get the IP(s) of a zombie computer? Gonna go attack some innocents?

Finawin
04-07-2010, 09:07 AM
Linux can't compete with anything windows can do the windows server are sooo much more trust worthy and the security is better.

Sorry I don't want to get into that with you alot of hard heads out there like linux but i'm not one of them.

L
O
L

What a fucking moron.

Sponge
04-07-2010, 09:08 AM
obvious sarcasm from Vyal

maultar
04-07-2010, 09:38 AM
Seems we are talking to a brick wall. They said a week to 2 weeks, must already have a plan. Back to cleaning up and working out I suppose.

Ferok
04-07-2010, 10:02 AM
Linux can't compete with anything windows can do the windows server are sooo much more trust worthy and the security is better.

Sorry I don't want to get into that with you alot of hard heads out there like linux but i'm not one of them.

ROFL

Wow, that couldn't be more wrong. I work in a windows shop, and I'm generally a windows fan. I love many microsoft products and I there are places where linux simply cannot compete.

Visual Studio, especially with Team Foundation Server, is an absolute beast of a product.

The whole Exchange / Outlook / Communicator suite, and how it integrates with the rest of the office suite, is an undeniable force in the business world.

MS SQL server, and the associated tools, are well worth the premium. Sorry MySQL fans, but the tools suite just make development on MS way easier, and administration is simplistic in comparison. I say this as I watch an oracle database choking on the creation of a massive CSV file, on my other screen.

Security has gotten better with Windows, for damn sure. But at least partially because Microsoft has such a huge target on them, there are way more exploits for Windows. It's much, much easier in general to hack a Windows server, than a Linux server. Believing anything else, boy, you're really just not with the times.

I realize you're a troll, so I realize how futile it is arguing with you. The point of this is to simply announce how completely clueless you are, so others won't possibly think there's something else coming off your fingers that's worth listening to.

Kaleb
04-07-2010, 10:44 AM
Don't you wish we could play right now?

I do

Lyrren
04-07-2010, 11:00 AM
Strangely enough most of you (sorry, but I'm including you Rogean here) seem to be assuming that the person undertaking this attack has a personal beef against the server, this seems highly unlikely. Your average EQ Classic player would not have a personal botnet army at his disposal ready to launch a DDoS attack the moment his character got banned.

Ok it's not impossible, but as I said highly unlikely.

What is much more likely is that some highly antisocial individual is trying to pick an easy target he can attack, some target which has minimal resources with which to respond, that target is us. He wont attack a commercial enterprise because he is too afraid of the repercussions.

Currently he is bragging to his hacker mates that he has forced the Project1999 server offline (sorry Rogean, you are caught between a rock and a hard place here). It doesn't really matter who or what Project1999 is, Project 1999 has become a victim of its own success. If we didn't care then his attack would have no value and he would quickly move on to another target.

So what to do?

Unless you have a foolproof plan with which to effectively combat these DDoS attacks, put the server back online. If he cannot claim to have forced the server offline then you remove the purpose of his attacks. Eventually he will get bored, much sooner than your loyal EQ classic players. For a week, maybe two weeks, playing on the server will be unpleasant, but those who care will remain and after that he will be gone.

But the longer you keep the server offline, the longer he will continue his attack, and possibly his hacker friends will join in (if they haven't already).

maultar
04-07-2010, 11:06 AM
How much can some appliance be for firewall? F5 or whatever? Gotta be a simple fix otherwise companies all over would have this grief.

Bentheb
04-07-2010, 11:15 AM
Strangely enough most of you (sorry, but I'm including you Rogean here) seem to be assuming that the person undertaking this attack has a personal beef against the server, this seems highly unlikely. Your average EQ Classic player would not have a personal botnet army at his disposal ready to launch a DDoS attack the moment his character got banned.

Ok it's not impossible, but as I said highly unlikely.

What is much more likely is that some highly antisocial individual is trying to pick an easy target he can attack, some target which has minimal resources with which to respond, that target is us. He wont attack a commercial enterprise because he is too afraid of the repercussions.

Currently he is bragging to his hacker mates that he has forced the Project1999 server offline (sorry Rogean, you are caught between a rock and a hard place here). It doesn't really matter who or what Project1999 is, Project 1999 has become a victim of its own success. If we didn't care then his attack would have no value and he would quickly move on to another target.

So what to do?

Unless you have a foolproof plan with which to effectively combat these DDoS attacks, put the server back online. If he cannot claim to have forced the server offline then you remove the purpose of his attacks. Eventually he will get bored, much sooner than your loyal EQ classic players. For a week, maybe two weeks, playing on the server will be unpleasant, but those who care will remain and after that he will be gone.

But the longer you keep the server offline, the longer he will continue his attack, and possibly his hacker friends will join in (if they haven't already).

The problem with this, as it has been stated before in this thread is, the bandwith spikes cost the devs money.

no clue how much a dos attack ends up ends up costing them but when the attacker stopped doing just short bursts and went all out im sure it started adding up fast.

So there really is no practical way for them to do this.

Kaleb
04-07-2010, 11:19 AM
Am I worng in thinking these DDoS attacks usually happen around 11 - 12 PM EST on weeknights and randomly on weekends?

maultar
04-07-2010, 11:21 AM
Near the end it was much earlier than 11 on weeknights. You're thinking Asians aren't you :P

Lyrren
04-07-2010, 11:22 AM
Well drat, after posting I was thinking about possible costs, but you beat me to it.

However there are a lot of people in this thread promising donations to fix this problem, maybe this is where the donations can be spent, unless anyone has a better idea?

choklo
04-07-2010, 11:52 AM
There is a large thread about donations to help fix the problem over in server chat section. Many people have pledged to donate money(some alot of it) to fix this problem. They just need some,ANY, input form the devs about whether donations will help solve the ddos problems. I understand that some may worry about throwing money away if there is no plan to deal with the attacks.

Personally, I can't see how donations won't help.

Uaellaen
04-07-2010, 11:55 AM
well traffic can be quite costly ... since they charge by the GB usualy ... since its a 100 mbit line (like the netgraph says, 11.1MB/s), or rather a gigabit line capped at 100mbit, thats quite some traffic you can generate ... its already 666MB per minute ... now im not up to date with the current traffic prices (since i only have traffic flat rates for my online servers), im just assuming it would be somewhere between $2 and $5 ...

so now lets take the $5 per GB, that means it would cost $3,33 per MINUTE the ddos attack goes on ... so if last nights attack would have been above the prepaid traffic limit, yesterday's ddos hour already cost $199,80 ...

i dont think donations would be enought to pay $200 per hour ... or $4795,20 per day or $143.856,00 per month ...

yeah of course most hosts have a "maximum" amount they charge for traffic, if you are above such a limit it usualy doesnt cost you anymore .. but even that limit is usualy in the $10.000 range ...

choklo
04-07-2010, 12:04 PM
oops, double post.

choklo
04-07-2010, 12:07 PM
well traffic can be quite costly ... since they charge by the GB usualy ... since its a 100 mbit line (like the netgraph says, 11.1MB/s), or rather a gigabit line capped at 100mbit, thats quite some traffic you can generate ... its already 666MB per minute ... now im not up to date with the current traffic prices (since i only have traffic flat rates for my online servers), im just assuming it would be somewhere between $2 and $5 ...

so now lets take the $5 per GB, that means it would cost $3,33 per MINUTE the ddos attack goes on ... so if last nights attack would have been above the prepaid traffic limit, yesterday's ddos hour already cost $199,80 ...

i dont think donations would be enought to pay $200 per hour ... or $4795,20 per day or $143.856,00 per month ...

yeah of course most hosts have a "maximum" amount they charge for traffic, if you are above such a limit it usualy doesnt cost you anymore .. but even that limit is usualy in the $10.000 range ...

Fighting DDoS attacks by increasing bandwith won't work. The devs know this. There are other methods like using software, hardware and ISP providers that can work, but will cost money.

Lyrren
04-07-2010, 12:12 PM
I never claimed to be an IT expert either, and probably paying for more bandwidth is not the best road to take. What I was really trying to point out it that you are unlikely to be able to reason with this individual (or individuals). The value they get from their attacks is in our response, and a significant part of that response is the server being down.

Bentheb
04-07-2010, 12:18 PM
I never claimed to be an IT expert either, and probably paying for more bandwidth is not the best road to take. What I was really trying to point out it that you are unlikely to be able to reason with this individual (or individuals). The value they get from their attacks is in our response, and a significant part of that response is the server being down.

true, but I think they are working out how to get them stopped for good, once they have a plan in mind im sure they will give us a update

gobbles
04-07-2010, 12:29 PM
Did the people ddossing ever talk to Rogean? What will it take for them to stop?

choklo
04-07-2010, 12:30 PM
I just had a thought...

A few days ago I did a complete virus scan and found a trojan horse on my computer. I began to wonder if this could be related to the ddos attack.

Is it possible that the attacker(s) is using players as the bots to take down the server? If so, should we all scan our computers once/day for viruses?

Sorry if this sounds newbish.

Uaellaen
04-07-2010, 12:32 PM
i would say get a better virus scaner with realtime protection ... or update your virus databases more often :p

Barkingturtle
04-07-2010, 12:36 PM
Probably ought to cut down on the porn, too.

Anyway, what a bummer. Good luck getting things back up and going.

Ceridain
04-07-2010, 12:51 PM
Did the people ddossing ever talk to Rogean? What will it take for them to stop?

Manastones... lots and lots of 'em. Oh and a full set of Rubicite

Crover_CT99
04-07-2010, 01:11 PM
http://www.fohguild.org/forums/mmorpg-general-discussion/39949-eq-best-free-server-w-titanium-installed-105.html

Friend of a banned item-duper, apparently.
Always seemed the most likely scenario considering the timing.

Mezzimus
04-07-2010, 01:13 PM
Yes Rogean was contacted.

The DDoSer contacted me directly and told me he was doing it this time because of us banning his friend for abusing a dupe exploit.

He posted that on the FoH boards.



Edit: Crover beat me to it!

Finawin
04-07-2010, 01:15 PM
Fuck him, he can't keep it going forever.

Cryptwalker
04-07-2010, 01:17 PM
What a loser, yeah, fuck him, the 1999 team fix this and we can go on playing.

callemosen
04-07-2010, 01:17 PM
1 - HUGE thanx to all the people involved in running this server, keep up the good work!
2 - Im sure the retard who's attacking the server isn't reading this forum anyway, so any elaborate insults feel like a waste of bandwidth. Bottom line is they can only DDoS the server, not the community!
3 - DDoS protection isnt rocket science, just abit upscale for a volunteer project like this. I realize it's impossible to go out and "ask" for money to protect against it, without drawing SoE's attention, and going into a more expensive solution without knowing there will be money to pay for it must be a hard choice to make.
I hope you find a way to keep the server running, in the meantime i'll make a donation for the fun time i've had so far =) =)

\\Vild

cadiz
04-07-2010, 01:34 PM
Wouldn't you just get the IP(s) of a zombie computer? Gonna go attack some innocents?

In this case probably not, I'd wager that it was a few people with personal issues. Botnet or not I'd imagine they could at least rate limit UDP to some acceptable level either at the core/dist switch of the colo or the trunk/vlan where the stuff is hosted from, a fairly standard practice in routing and switching.

Most co-location providers will cooperate with you on this if you have packet traces (http://wiki.wireshark.org/CaptureFilters) and a list of offenders.

According to Rogean most of the abuse traffic is UDP which makes it tricky, otherwise you could just dedicate a cheap machine to proxy your TCP connections for you, discarding illegitimate traffic. (http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/filter.html#synproxy)

Shurid
04-07-2010, 01:37 PM
What a predicament, the only solution I see is the GM staff talking this guy down from his high horse. Unbanning his friends account or giving him in game items will only lead to more people DDoS'ing.

America doesn't negotiate with terrorists!

What do you guys think?

isitatomic
04-07-2010, 01:40 PM
Though I've only been playing for a few weeks, THANK YOU to the devs for facilitating this experience and to the community at large -- both will guarantee my return after this issue is sorted out.

That said, it's times like this I wonder what it would be like if the US had its own version of China's 人肉搜索 (usually translated as "Human Flesh Search" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_flesh_search_engine)) netizen vigilante network. Sometimes it's nice to get a reminder that the internets aren't as anonymous as some people would like them to be.

Ferok
04-07-2010, 01:42 PM
What a predicament, the only solution I see is the GM staff talking this guy down from his high horse. Unbanning his friends account or giving him in game items will only lead to more people DDoS'ing.

America doesn't negotiate with terrorists!

What do you guys think?

Yeah, no question, you can't give in. I'm sure the admins know that, and so here we are.

cadiz
04-07-2010, 01:50 PM
What a predicament, the only solution I see is the GM staff talking this guy down from his high horse. Unbanning his friends account or giving him in game items will only lead to more people DDoS'ing.

America doesn't negotiate with terrorists!

What do you guys think?

I think we should award him with the Long Sword of Judicial Reckoning (http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa16/futondwan/JudgeJudy.jpg) and the Amulet of Anal Invasion (http://www.mathewingram.com/work/wp-content/uploads/myspace-owned.jpg)

Seriously though, intentionally denying people a paid service (hosting/bandwidth) can be considered theft in most courts of law and carries legal punishment, usually a large fine and restitution of 'damages'.

Togo
04-07-2010, 01:52 PM
as much as I want to play giving in would defeat the whole purpose of taking the server down. i've been on here for 1 week+ and i'm as addicted as ever. Havent felt this addicted to a game since the real EQ back in the day

Tudana
04-07-2010, 02:14 PM
say the servers came back up again, how long can he sustain the attack and what is the expience to the attacker.

I mean, does he have to sit there and hit enter on his keyboard to lag the server out? is this a heavy draw on his BW in his Moms Basement that his cable provider will shut him down or charge him more?

Just curious

Nen
04-07-2010, 02:16 PM
Ok, so what does the staff need from the players to help combat this problem?

Can we buy our way out of this?

Whats the deal?

Cilraaz
04-07-2010, 02:24 PM
say the servers came back up again, how long can he sustain the attack and what is the expience to the attacker.

I mean, does he have to sit there and hit enter on his keyboard to lag the server out? is this a heavy draw on his BW in his Moms Basement that his cable provider will shut him down or charge him more?

Just curious

It's most likely a network of zombie computers that he's infected (or "purchased"). You can control a swarm via twitter commands nowadays.

Thorjorkill
04-07-2010, 03:06 PM
I wonder if Rog has gotten to the root IP yet? If so, will he publish it for all of us to see? I'd like to start some recon ASAP as to this persons whereabouts. See if next time I take off for Afghanistan, I can get a connecting flight through this douchebags nearest city.

tcoleman152
04-07-2010, 03:08 PM
there is a server up ATM under the standered server list called -Another classic server. (4x xp / 1ip per acct) so if you need a classic eq fix heres where to get it

postmoderntease0
04-07-2010, 03:14 PM
Yes Rogean was contacted.



He posted that on the FoH boards.



Edit: Crover beat me to it!

Oh snap! Someone of and/ or relating to Fires of Heaven felt bad when someone pants'd him, therefore revealing the insignificance of his e-peen to the world, and proving once and for all that his douchefaggotry was directly related to overcompensation issues??? WHAT?? Give me a fucking break. FoH was like this from the very beginning back on Veeshan. For some reason, I am in no way surprised.

A Game Master shouts, "Fires of Heaven, you are hoarding all the wealth and loot for yourself and exploiting the laws of gaming to your own advantage beyond their natural intent! Either stop or I shall be forced to intervene for the rest of everyone, ever, in the whole world who isn't you, of whom you're taking advantage!"

Fires of Heaven shouts, "It's their own fault! They should have thought of that before they didn't exploit first! You're all just jealous because we were assholes first, not because being an asshole is just generally frowned upon by society and God alike! Republicans for Voldemort!"

A Game Master says, "I really don't think all Republicans are for Voldemort..."

Fires of Heaven begins casting a spell.

fastboy21
04-07-2010, 03:43 PM
?

Intricus
04-07-2010, 03:55 PM
Oh snap! Someone of and/ or relating to Fires of Heaven felt bad when someone pants'd him, therefore revealing the insignificance of his e-peen to the world, and proving once and for all that his douchefaggotry was directly related to overcompensation issues??? WHAT?? Give me a fucking break. FoH was like this from the very beginning back on Veeshan. For some reason, I am in no way surprised.

A Game Master shouts, "Fires of Heaven, you are hoarding all the wealth and loot for yourself and exploiting the laws of gaming to your own advantage beyond their natural intent! Either stop or I shall be forced to intervene for the rest of everyone, ever, in the whole world who isn't you, of whom you're taking advantage!"

Fires of Heaven shouts, "It's their own fault! They should have thought of that before they didn't exploit first! You're all just jealous because we were assholes first, not because being an asshole is just generally frowned upon by society and God alike! Republicans for Voldemort!"

A Game Master says, "I really don't think all Republicans are for Voldemort..."



Douchefaggotry.../lmao
Well now that the attacker has been contacted, let's get this server up again! Worst case scenario, undo his ban and either delete the character he exploited with, or delete ALL of his cash/items, and keep a VERY close eye on him...1 very intelligent hack is sure as hell not worth keeping nearly 600 die-hard classic EQ players out of action for a week or longer.

Uaellaen
04-07-2010, 03:56 PM
1 very intelligent hack

whos that? i just see a stupid script kiddy utilizing someone elses work ..

Intricus
04-07-2010, 04:03 PM
whos that? i just see a stupid script kiddy utilizing someone elses work ..

By no means whatsoever am I condoning the attacker, I like 600-something other players want to do nothing more than play this game...but you have to give credit where it's due...the guy WON. He took the server DOWN, and he/she coulden't have done it at a better time...right after this project gets an honorable mention in a big-time video game magazine. This is damn near something that will go down in video game history.

Uaellaen
04-07-2010, 04:06 PM
naw he didnt win ... he would have won if the community would fall appart now ... in fact i think he LOST, since the community is now tighter then ever, and stands like an army behind rogean + staff, waiting for orders!

Belenos
04-07-2010, 04:09 PM
By no means whatsoever am I condoning the attacker, I like 600-something other players want to do nothing more than play this game...but you have to give credit where it's due...the guy WON. He took the server DOWN, and he/she coulden't have done it at a better time...right after this project gets an honorable mention in a big-time video game magazine. This is damn near something that will go down in video game history.

True or not, i just hope this little nerdrager isn't reading statemants like this and feeling validated

Intricus
04-07-2010, 04:13 PM
At the very least he had himself some troll euphoria for a few days...I would imagine him/her, as many others say, in their mother's basement, pacing around mindlessly laughing for no apparent reason for hours endlessly.
That Kefka from Final Fantasy 3/6 laugh comes to mind.

Intricus
04-07-2010, 04:15 PM
True or not, i just hope this little nerdrager isn't reading statemants like this and feeling validated

If it validates him enough to make him stop what he's doing so we can play again, then so be it

Tudana
04-07-2010, 04:17 PM
At the very least he had himself some troll euphoria for a few days...I would imagine him/her, as many others say, in their mother's basement, pacing around mindlessly laughing for no apparent reason for hours endlessly.
That Kefka from Final Fantasy 3/6 laugh comes to mind.

hehe, I was thinking of Dr. Evils Son Scottie Evil, when he turned Evil...but yeah...

Belenos
04-07-2010, 04:22 PM
I have just located this actual photo of the P99 ddos attacker

<a href="http://s874.photobucket.com/albums/ab309/belenos666/?action=view&current=wow-nerd-south-park-580.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i874.photobucket.com/albums/ab309/belenos666/wow-nerd-south-park-580.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

Intricus
04-07-2010, 04:41 PM
I have just located this actual photo of the P99 ddos attacker

<a href="http://s874.photobucket.com/albums/ab309/belenos666/?action=view&current=wow-nerd-south-park-580.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i874.photobucket.com/albums/ab309/belenos666/wow-nerd-south-park-580.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

Hmm, he finally stopped playing WoW?:D

xorbier
04-07-2010, 04:43 PM
"I mean, does he have to sit there and hit enter on his keyboard to lag the server out?

Line of the day.

Intricus
04-07-2010, 04:46 PM
You know when I really think about it, if the Ancient Cyclops was a real player, that's probably what he would look like.

xorbier
04-07-2010, 04:56 PM
Queston.

Why is it that when i login i can't see any servers besides p99 anymore? Anyone else have this issue?

I was hoping to play on another emu server in the mean time but i'm unable to see any other servers. It's been like this since yesterday.

Fraud
04-07-2010, 04:58 PM
Thats because its the beginning of the end of the world, and it is all starting with P99.

douglas1999
04-07-2010, 05:04 PM
Seriously, this attacker will never really "win" now, he'll just inconvenience us all at worst. With double the population now as compared to during the first wave of attacks, I'm sure the staff can get all needed donations to keep everything up and running, further increase the ddos security at the datacenter, etc... It will eventually stop and we can go back to playing again... after the first time this happened it didn't happen at all again for about 4 straight months.

LittleSorcerer7
04-07-2010, 05:07 PM
Seriously, this attacker will never really "win" now, he'll just inconvenience us all at worst. With double the population now as compared to during the first wave of attacks, I'm sure the staff can get all needed donations to keep everything up and running, further increase the ddos security at the datacenter, etc... It will eventually stop and we can go back to playing again... after the first time this happened it didn't happen at all again for about 4 straight months.
the funny thing is i played 4 months ago, i quit and Just came back and im like WOohoo eq time then the next day after coming back DDOS attacks again. Wtf.... seriously

Uaellaen
04-07-2010, 05:17 PM
hes stalking you!

Brund the Decrepit
04-07-2010, 05:27 PM
By no means whatsoever am I condoning the attacker, I like 600-something other players want to do nothing more than play this game...but you have to give credit where it's due...the guy WON. He took the server DOWN, and he/she coulden't have done it at a better time...right after this project gets an honorable mention in a big-time video game magazine. This is damn near something that will go down in video game history.

He didn't take anything down, Rogean and Nilbog did. I also seem to remember a post about a server upgrade at some point which would require some downtime to get the server delivered to the hosting site and for setup. I think that it all just pretty much happened at the same time.

Bones
04-07-2010, 06:16 PM
the funny thing is i played 4 months ago, i quit and Just came back and im like WOohoo eq time then the next day after coming back DDOS attacks again. Wtf.... seriously

Wow... Same here lol. I feel your pain bro. Just came back from 3-4 month break as well literally 2 days ago :(

Also on the second half of my spring break which I had planned to spend playing some p99. But there are tons of games out there :) none like EQ though.

Finawin
04-07-2010, 06:21 PM
He didn't take anything down, Rogean and Nilbog did. I also seem to remember a post about a server upgrade at some point which would require some downtime to get the server delivered to the hosting site and for setup. I think that it all just pretty much happened at the same time.

This.

tal597
04-07-2010, 06:34 PM
Anyone with $100 (probably less to hit a small server like the emu server, it isn't like it is a corporate web farm) and a contact (usually in Russia) can buy a DDoS attack. It doesn't take any special talent or knowledge. It is about as hard a buying a bag of weed.

Appeasing the attacker will just bring more attacks. The only real option, as many have already suggested, is to pay the price to put in the appropriate protections. Otherwise, just shut 'er down.

andymc1980
04-07-2010, 06:40 PM
please devs give us some feedback and let us all know how much u need to sort this.....

Fraud
04-07-2010, 06:42 PM
please devs give us some feedback and let us all know how much u need to sort this.....



This.

douglas1999
04-07-2010, 06:43 PM
Seriously, we'll pay it. This server was chugging along nicely and its such a great place to play!!

Zordana
04-07-2010, 07:05 PM
Seriously, we'll pay it. This server was chugging along nicely and its such a great place to play!!

*facepalm*

Atern
04-07-2010, 07:06 PM
The company I work for uses F5 for this type of thing I believe. I don't feel like requesting a quote on it but I'm pretty sure it's quite expensive. I'll touch base with him tomorrow and see what we pay.

But that being said, I think I found our guy!

http://pwned.nl/

andymc1980
04-07-2010, 07:19 PM
roflmao atern...thats gotta be him !! awesome )

maultar
04-07-2010, 09:04 PM
Like I said, brickwall boys. They handling this like the military should have handled Iraq, by not telling everyone (including the attacker) the game plan. :)

Vlexor
04-07-2010, 09:42 PM
I agree with the other members, I'm sure we can raise the donations to properly protect our EQ world! I just got started on EQ so this really sucks... good luck guys!

Blink
04-07-2010, 09:58 PM
Wouldn't it be funny if Rogean were faking the ddos to get more people to donate money?

It reminds me of the Pat Robertson south park episode where he gets people to donate money to build a spaceship to spread christianity.

Torros
04-07-2010, 10:12 PM
Wouldn't it be funny if Rogean were faking the ddos to get more people to donate money?

It reminds me of the Pat Robertson south park episode where he gets people to donate money to build a spaceship to spread christianity.

Yeah I hinted at that on my previous post... but I trust him. It would be a perfect time though... right as they are bringing the server down anyway. = /

MogManX44
04-07-2010, 10:13 PM
Now stay with me on this one folks. Sally Struthers has a Tiberian junker, which is the favored ship of the Huts, and she has trapped our new CBC ship in a, uh, positronic tractor beam. So we're going to need an ionic tractor disruptor. Not a regular ionic tractor disruptor, but a negative ionic tractor disruptor to help spread the word of Jesus

Blink
04-07-2010, 10:14 PM
Now stay with me on this one folks. Sally Struthers has a Tiberian junker, which is the favored ship of the Huts, and she has trapped our new CBC ship in a, uh, positronic tractor beam. So we're going to need an ionic tractor disruptor. Not a regular ionic tractor disruptor, but a negative ionic tractor disruptor to help spread the word of Jesus

hahahha I love you

Axion
04-07-2010, 11:23 PM
http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=5547

come here and say happy things!

Fraud
04-07-2010, 11:46 PM
Wouldn't it be funny if Rogean were faking the ddos to-


go on spring break?

Andriea
04-07-2010, 11:47 PM
I'm having withdrawls ;_;

Theiron
04-07-2010, 11:58 PM
The company I work for uses F5 for this type of thing I believe. I don't feel like requesting a quote on it but I'm pretty sure it's quite expensive. I'll touch base with him tomorrow and see what we pay.

But that being said, I think I found our guy!

http://pwned.nl/

I'm in the business and f5 hardware is very expensive. Maybe not for a $100M company but for personal use it is.

My curiosity comes when I ask is the server itself just on the public network with a public IP or does it have some sort of firewall in front of it? Based on the attacks and what not I'm going to assume it's completely open with a public IP.

Problem being that you'll need a some decent hardware to put in front of it to protect it and maintain the 400+ users it gets on a regular basis.

choklo
04-07-2010, 11:59 PM
I'm in the business and f5 hardware is very expensive.

How much is it? Just give us a ballpark figure please.

In response to your edit, how much would the hardware be as well?

maultar
04-08-2010, 12:14 AM
I talked briefly with Rogean on the new temp server tonight. He said he is too busy to talk on here and go through the posts. But did say yes donations will help and this "should" all be resolved in 5 days. Later told me to donate 300 I loled. I'm good for 20 but not 300. Once I figure out how to donate that is I can't find that thread anymore.

choklo
04-08-2010, 12:23 AM
This is good news if this is true. Donations will help keep the server up. If we give a paltry $10 each, this should really help. 10 bucks is a pizza, a movie, a couple of beers. What it buys us is priceless, really. Name another place you get classic EQ with damn good devs.
The thing is, you have to actually DONATE. Click on the paypal logo on the home page and donate 10 or even 5 bucks. Talk is cheap people.

If you don't have a paypal account, make one, it's easy. Go to the website and spend 2 minutes making an account. You just need a credit card.

Elissa
04-08-2010, 12:24 AM
Just donated 25$...

cadiz
04-08-2010, 12:26 AM
I'm in the business and f5 hardware is very expensive. Maybe not for a $100M company but for personal use it is.

My curiosity comes when I ask is the server itself just on the public network with a public IP or does it have some sort of firewall in front of it? Based on the attacks and what not I'm going to assume it's completely open with a public IP.

Problem being that you'll need a some decent hardware to put in front of it to protect it and maintain the 400+ users it gets on a regular basis.

According to Rogean the abuse is from UDP traffic so it seems that simply rate limiting the traffic should be sufficient to block this, with sane thresholds on bitrate and packet size that would constitute and classify abuse appropriately.

Given that the server runs Windows you don't have kernel level packet filtering functionality (http://thelowedown.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/iptables-how-to-use-the-limits-module/) available so you'd want a solution available at the switch level (http://www.ciscopress.com/articles/article.asp?p=345618&seqNum=5) or before it arrives to the server.

Most co-location facility carriers provide this functionality, however you could easily use the same approach with a cheaply built unix based machine between drop-->server to rate limit and meter UDP connections. (http://www.linuxtopia.org/Linux_Firewall_iptables/x1544.html)

My 2 copper pieces, this sort of thing is my career outside of Norrath, it pains me dearly to see such an awesome project suffer from a few nerdragers and I'd be more than happy to donate my time and experience to help get us back on track if needed. Rogean, you know how to get in contact with me :)

Aoemek
04-08-2010, 01:31 AM
Wouldn't it be funny if Rogean were faking the ddos to get more people to donate money?

It reminds me of the Pat Robertson south park episode where he gets people to donate money to build a spaceship to spread christianity.

holy shit I was thinking of literally this exact same thing earlier today.. the southpark episode and everything haha

i doubt this to be the case though these seem like good people

Phineas
04-08-2010, 01:45 AM
According to Rogean the abuse is from UDP traffic so it seems that simply rate limiting the traffic should be sufficient to block this, with sane thresholds on bitrate and packet size that would constitute and classify abuse appropriately.

Given that the server runs Windows you don't have kernel level packet filtering functionality (http://thelowedown.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/iptables-how-to-use-the-limits-module/) available so you'd want a solution available at the switch level (http://www.ciscopress.com/articles/article.asp?p=345618&seqNum=5) or before it arrives to the server.

Most co-location facility carriers provide this functionality, however you could easily use the same approach with a cheaply built unix based machine between drop-->server to rate limit and meter UDP connections. (http://www.linuxtopia.org/Linux_Firewall_iptables/x1544.html)

My 2 copper pieces, this sort of thing is my career outside of Norrath, it pains me dearly to see such an awesome project suffer from a few nerdragers and I'd be more than happy to donate my time and experience to help get us back on track if needed. Rogean, you know how to get in contact with me :)

Or just shove a Cisco ASA in front of the server, set a max embryonic conneciton limit of say 1000, and then configure an IPS module to also drop packets from obvious attackers.

Someone mentioned that the problem with this kind of solution is the bandwidth being eaten up at the router.

/shrug

We've killed many ddos attempts at our datacenter doing just what I outlined...

~phin

<edit>
it should be noted that I have no idea if limiting the half opened connections would also affect EQ clients. It certainly doesn't harm web traffic from my experience...

Pyratess
04-08-2010, 02:23 AM
LOL so I started a toon on the PEQ server to pass the time... got into the tutorial... and EVERYONE (save one) in the zone was from P99 trying to alleviate withdrawal :p We had a good laugh about how easy the PEQ server is and how we all miss slaving away over our levelz and moneyz and lootz :D

ooantipostoo
04-08-2010, 02:29 AM
Given that the server runs Windows you don't have kernel level packet filtering functionality (http://thelowedown.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/iptables-how-to-use-the-limits-module/) available so you'd want a solution available at the switch level (http://www.ciscopress.com/articles/article.asp?p=345618&seqNum=5) or before it arrives to the server.

)

D-dos attacks can and will affect any operating system given it be wondows Linux or so forth.

Eastwood
04-08-2010, 03:09 AM
yeah PEQ is silly,

I started last night and a P1999 friend who used to box insanely on PEQ has power leveled me to 34 in 24 hours of not even close to non stop play.

The useful thing is im playing a class i've been curious about in EQ and I'll probably use PEQ to practice the lambent armor quests, buying the spells around norath, and other time wasting things that I can have polished when time is a little more valueable on P1999.

cadiz
04-08-2010, 03:24 AM
Or just shove a Cisco ASA in front of the server, set a max embryonic conneciton limit of say 1000, and then configure an IPS module to also drop packets from obvious attackers.

Someone mentioned that the problem with this kind of solution is the bandwidth being eaten up at the router.

/shrug

We've killed many ddos attempts at our datacenter doing just what I outlined...

~phin

<edit>
it should be noted that I have no idea if limiting the half opened connections would also affect EQ clients. It certainly doesn't harm web traffic from my experience...

That's a solid solution too. The ASA's are really nice improvement upon the PIX, unfortunately they come with a hefty price tag. For SYN proxy functionality and just general usage I've found OpenBSD with pf (http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/) achieves the same thing for free minus all the contextual stuff. You'll actually find this embedded in most off the shelf firewall/proxy solutions due to its flexible license. I used this quite a bit in my consulting days.

Unfortunately not everyone can operate at Layer 8 (politics and $$). We use ASA's and ACE's at work as well and are quite happy with them, but for smaller shops or the budget constrained some good old pf is hard to beat, combine that with carp/pfsync (http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/carp.html) and you've got some nice redundancy :)

cadiz
04-08-2010, 03:29 AM
D-dos attacks can and will affect any operating system given it be wondows Linux or so forth.

Very true, however the lower down the OS/networking stack the better, less overhead on resources for the machine to do the actual packet discarding.

Unfortunately these tools will only exist in userspace on most other operating systems and you'd be hard pressed to meet the functionality and sheer performance offered by an innate, robust, kernel level packet filtering mechanism. Ask anyone that's ever used Microsoft Connection Sharing (ICS) and they can attest to this :)

CronosZ
04-08-2010, 07:50 AM
Im not sure what type of firewall you are using but i will donate a Pix515E i have sitting here to the cause if it helps, and maybe someone else on the thread can do the config. Or you can buy an ASA 5505 for like 400 bucks for the unlimited version. again wish i could help more. cant wait to get back to p99.

dali_lb
04-08-2010, 08:25 AM
Problem is a local firewall, wether you host stuff at your home on a fiber connection, or even in a cheap hosting datacenter that doesn't offer inbound protection from ddos attacks, the firewall will only protect your server from crumbling down, like said before. You will still use your max bandwith as long as the attack goes on, wich wil be expensive either for YOU or your ISP, and belive me, the ISP/Datacenter won't pay the bill. The Datacenter actually need to have their own inbound protection from where-ever they connect to, wich is what makes these attacks so hard to fight, cause no matter where you put the filter that discards the packets, there will always be a network on the other side that will take a penalty in bandwith, dependent on how serious the attack is, untill you reach the origin of the attack.

Also DDOS stands for "distributed" denial of service, wich means a smart hacker will distribute the attacks to as many hosts as he's able to to use as zombies, making it very hard to track the origin of the attack

Rogean
04-08-2010, 08:54 AM
All the people recomending devices to put in front of the server need to realize this is not a server resource issue. During the last attack that lasted almost an hour, I watched the service utilization sit around 2-5% CPU Usage (I could still get in because it was connected to our other server via a cross-connect on both server's secondary nic cards). The problem is bandwidth saturation, plain and simple. In order to avoid it, we need a bigger pipe, or we need rate limiting on the data center's side. Both of these are being looked into. We're upgrading our connection pipe, and I don't want to get into much details of what we're getting on the public forums, but even after that if the attacker has a big enough botnet, he can potentially still max it out, however the larger the attack, the more notice the data center takes and will work to track down.

So there are many options being considered, and again I don't want to discuss everything we plan to impliment for defensive capabilities on the public forums as to not give the attacker any more ways to circumvent them.

As far as donations go, yes they are being put to use:

http://www.rogean.com/images/p99server.jpg

Ferok
04-08-2010, 09:00 AM
Handsome looking unit you got there...

Mordachai
04-08-2010, 09:02 AM
Handsome looking unit you got there...


that's what she said!

Great work as always Rog!

Rogean
04-08-2010, 09:04 AM
that's what she said!

BA-BOOSH

Agaron
04-08-2010, 09:08 AM
Nice.

Budah
04-08-2010, 09:09 AM
As far as donations go, yes they are being put to use:



Pretty much all I needed =P

Xadion
04-08-2010, 09:10 AM
Dunno if this is the place to post a question in game stuff- but

i have a body in ogguk will I loose it exp items etc- forgot if I looted.. died on some crash awhile ago- or is the "rez timer" frozen - would really suck to eat a death.

Anywho- good luck on all the DDOS shit, and hope to play some more soon!

Will donate tomrrow once I get paied and can sneak out a few bucks w/o notice ;-)

Cowboy
04-08-2010, 09:11 AM
You can go to Rogean's member profile and check his statistics to see his latest posts, but yes he has already quelled concerns in another post that rez timers have been put on hold, and there should be no concerns regarding the rot of belongings on these corpses.

maultar
04-08-2010, 09:15 AM
I will be donating too this weekend sometime if not Monday.

YendorLootmonkey
04-08-2010, 09:21 AM
LOL so I started a toon on the PEQ server to pass the time... got into the tutorial... and EVERYONE (save one) in the zone was from P99 trying to alleviate withdrawal :p We had a good laugh about how easy the PEQ server is and how we all miss slaving away over our levelz and moneyz and lootz :D

Yeah, I made level 20 before I even got out of the tutorial.

Xadion
04-08-2010, 09:34 AM
You can go to Rogean's member profile and check his statistics to see his latest posts, but yes he has already quelled concerns in another post that rez timers have been put on hold, and there should be no concerns regarding the rot of belongings on these corpses.

k sorry my lack of skill searching has failed me- thanks for the info

hope everything gets resolved :-)

dali_lb
04-08-2010, 09:34 AM
Handsome looking unit you got there...

Yeah, very handsome .. untill my eyes caught the name DELL .. :eek:

Mordachai
04-08-2010, 09:39 AM
Yeah, very handsome .. untill my eyes caught the name DELL .. :eek:

dell's personal computers are by no means a reflection on their servers. i can't stand dell's but some of the most reliable non-mainframe type machines i've seen have been dell.

Ferok
04-08-2010, 09:45 AM
Yeah, very handsome .. untill my eyes caught the name DELL .. :eek:

Dell makes a good server.

They actually make a good desktop, laptop and workstation as far as I'm concerned. They're well built and easy to repair. Users are more often the problem than the units themselves.

Caere
04-08-2010, 09:49 AM
Dunno if this is the place to post a question in game stuff- but

i have a body in ogguk will I loose it exp items etc- forgot if I looted.. died on some crash awhile ago- or is the "rez timer" frozen - would really suck to eat a death.

Anywho- good luck on all the DDOS shit, and hope to play some more soon!

Will donate tomrrow once I get paied and can sneak out a few bucks w/o notice ;-)They're pushing back the corpse timers. It'll still be there.

FatMagic
04-08-2010, 09:51 AM
Dell makes a good server.

They actually make a good desktop, laptop and workstation as far as I'm concerned. They're well built and easy to repair. Users are more often the problem than the units themselves.

QFT! Where I work we use Dell exclusively, and we've never had a problem with them. I deploy all the servers, workstations and laptops - and they are dead easy to support and work with. And if I do have problems, ProSupport/Gold Tech Support is top notch at Dell (don't get anything less than ProSupport though).

Ferok
04-08-2010, 10:03 AM
QFT! Where I work we use Dell exclusively, and we've never had a problem with them. I deploy all the servers, workstations and laptops - and they are dead easy to support and work with. And if I do have problems, ProSupport/Gold Tech Support is top notch at Dell (don't get anything less than ProSupport though).

Yep, I did that in a previous role. We, at different points, also deployed Toshiba and Lenovo laptops. Support and repairs on both were utter nightmares. Dell's premium support is bliss by comparison.

trolleleet
04-08-2010, 10:26 AM
Still dont see the point in taking the server down so long, if he might be able to just do it again.

I understand you cant keep the server up during attacks like the last one, but how far does he really want to go?

Besides that the attacks seems to happen during the same usual periods, while getting old wasnt noticeable most of the day.

You might be upgrading and moving some bits who knows, but for now it seems like he won and might still be sitting with the upper hand :confused:

Wont be able to play this weekend even if the server came up anyway, so good luck.

redghosthunter
04-08-2010, 10:26 AM
For those of use who could not get our gear.... A server shut down is when time is not running right? When we are able to log in we can get our gear?

Sebine_Emarr
04-08-2010, 10:36 AM
The whole world...is in that little box... :eek:

Togo
04-08-2010, 11:30 AM
seeing that server gave me an e-boner

maultar
04-08-2010, 11:37 AM
That's what I work with for years now, just HP servers, looks the same though. Mostly VM's now but even the hosts are on 2U servers like that. To bad we don't have a spare rack though unless you just haven't racked that yet.

Do Dell servers come with an ILO port that allows you to view it remotely and even during post, allowing you to power it on and off remotely too?

Ceridain
04-08-2010, 11:59 AM
The whole world...is in that little box... :eek:

lol my feelings exaaactly =/

Eastwood
04-08-2010, 12:02 PM
We need to open that thing up and get the mana stones out!

Thorjorkill
04-08-2010, 01:24 PM
Is there any way we could go through the pain in the ass of getting a beefy firewall up in front of that server and only allow static IPs through? Would make for an administration nightmare... But... Tie all accounts to an IP? Completely unrealistic, but sounds good in theory :)

nm

JaVeDK
04-08-2010, 01:31 PM
Is there any way we could go through the pain in the ass of getting a beefy firewall up in front of that server and only allow static IPs through? Would make for an administration nightmare... But... Tie all accounts to an IP? Completely unrealistic, but sounds good in theory :)

nm

As someone who doesn't know all that much about running a server, that sounds like a pretty good solution. Couldn't you make it a requirement for registering an account to input your IP in one of the registration boxes, thus automatically tying it to your account? Or would that require a total revamp of the system / login server?

maultar
04-08-2010, 01:37 PM
I think you had the devs at "pain in the ass" they have enough of that and sounds like they have a plan, just need donations to roll in to cover the costs of what will no doubt come from pocket partially excluding what's already been donated.

Don't know if thats how it is but I'm 90% sure. :)