Final Fantasy VI Challenge

[Mardur]

Following Glitch's post a few days ago, someone just recommended this FFVI hack that was recently completed to me:

http://www.romhacking.net/hacks/707/
(Direct download: http://www.romhacking.net/download/hacks/707/)

Supposedly the new ultimate in FFVI difficulty hacks.

Just arrived at Figaro Castle, Locke level 6 Terra level 5. Zero game overs. Not too bad yet, but supposedly it gets insane.

Come at me Kefka.

[Tommy_Wiseau]

finna play, finna post updates

[Mardur]

MTekArmor: No sweat. Hello, Figaro.

[Mardur]

Mount Koltz absolutely bent me over and violated my anal cavity.

Escaped with the Locke weapon and Atlas Armlet, however. Haven't ran from any fights either. Tuskers are brutal, you will want to level grind before heading in. Edgar 6, Locke 7, Terra 6.

Will continue tomorrow.

[Diggles]

give me ff xii crisis core or give me death

[Drem]

FF7 end of story. fuck outta here with FF6 hacks crap

[Moggster]

Kupo nuff said

[bizzum]

FF7 end of story. fuck outta here with FF6 hacks crap

Did you fall on your head as a child?

[Autotune]

Did you fall on your head as a child?

he definitely did.

[jarshale]

This thread made me change my avatar.


Also I'm definitely gonna try this out. Probably gonna get raped tho D:

[Xadion]

crisis core is a great game, I should replay 6 for fun as its been awhile.

[Tommy_Wiseau]

cant get the checksum after patching to match the one in the readme

wutdo

[Mardur]

Download this (http://www.doperoms.com/roms/super_nintendo_snes/Final+Fantasy+III+%28U%29+%28V1.0%29+%5B!%5D.zip/42227/Final%20Fantasy%20III%20.html) and then apply the patch for version 1.0 headerless. And you'll be good to go.

[Mardur]

The evil Vargas has been slain by Sabin's mighty fist.

Edgar 10 Locke 10 Terra 10 Sabin 10

[mostbitter]

ff6 is about as difficult as smashing the a button a million times and you guys need hacks? shameful

[Mardur]

ff6 is about as difficult as smashing the a button a million times and you guys need hacks? shameful

Hey turbo retard, this hack makes the game about 100x harder.

[jarshale]

ff6 is about as difficult as smashing the a button a million times and you guys need hacks? shameful

I'm not sure you've understood the point of this thread.

[Mardur]

mfw:

Autocrossbow does 12 damage
Pummel misses
Banon doesn't have Health

:(

[Tommy_Wiseau]

ff6 is about as difficult as smashing the a button a million times and you guys need hacks? shameful

genius burger detected

[Mardur]

Ultros thrashed.

Hint: He's mega weak until he casts Cure 3 & Regen, after that he starts doing Aqua Rake, if you're doing enough damage he should only get one off. Save enough MP for a fire or two at the end, a couple Aqua Rakes will fuck your shit up.

Choose a scenario, kupo!

[jarshale]

Ultros thrashed.

Hint: He's mega weak until he casts Cure 3 & Regen, after that he starts doing Aqua Rake, if you're doing enough damage he should only get one off. Save enough MP for a fire or two at the end, a couple Aqua Rakes will fuck your shit up.

Choose a scenario, kupo!

Sabin gogogo

[burkemi5]

since we're on the topic, i am starting to play thru ff6 myself (normal mode, i have yet to beat it) and I just got the espers from the ghost town. I'm noticing an annoying "bug" but I doubt it's an actual bug;

When I use Celes, she will randomly lose 10-20 MP per battle, even when I don't use any magic or espers. anyone have any idea why this happens?

[skulldudes]

since we're on the topic, i am starting to play thru ff6 myself (normal mode, i have yet to beat it) and I just got the espers from the ghost town. I'm noticing an annoying "bug" but I doubt it's an actual bug;

When I use Celes, she will randomly lose 10-20 MP per battle, even when I don't use any magic or espers. anyone have any idea why this happens?

what weapon do you have equipped?

[burkemi5]

what weapon do you have equipped?

Rune Edge.

[skulldudes]

um, rnf edit: because there are a handful of weapons in the game that do auto-criticals at the cost of MP

[skulldudes]

yeah, i think rune edge is one of them that uses mp when you attack

[burkemi5]

http://i.imgur.com/QUS1b.jpg

[Mardur]

Not a bug, Rune Edge uses ~18 MP per attack to auto-critical. I don't like it.

I never take the Rune Edge because if you leave the chest untouched it turns into a Ribbon later in the game.

[burkemi5]

Not a bug, Rune Edge uses ~18 MP per attack to auto-critical. I don't like it.

I never take the Rune Edge because if you leave the chest untouched it turns into a Ribbon later in the game.

damn, i wish i knew that. thanks for letting me know Mardur.

[karsten]

shoulda done the level up trick on the raft!

[Mardur]

shoulda done the level up trick on the raft!

You can't in this version.

[Mardur]

The Lete River trick depends on Banon's Health ability which essentially fully heals your entire party. In this hack, Banon doesn't have Health (he only has Fight and Item). He's equipped with a Heal Rod or whatever that weapon is that heals instead of does damage. So instead of being able to fully heal your entire party, he can only heal one member for ~32 damage. Also, the monsters are much much more difficult, so you can't even keep up on damage with that alone, you still need to rely on the save points and Terra's Cure spell to keep up on damage. At least I did, all my characters were level 10 at this point which may have been a little low, but I still got through okay.

Sabin's scenario however is absolutely kicking my ass.

[Mardur]

Good luck on the Cyan vs. Leader fight guys.

Hint: use Retort and lots of potions.

[Mardur]

Shadow is a fucking monster in this hack. Nothing can touch him. Well, except magic.

[Mardur]

Gonna be spending the next hour or two grinding at the recovery spring in the Phantom Forest. Thank god for save states so I don't lose Shadow.

[pickled_heretic]

save states

why bother playing a difficulty rom hack if you aren't restricting the use of save states?

[Mardur]

Considering this can only be played on an emulator, I'm assuming it's considered that save states will be used. I don't abuse them, but in the case of Shadow leaving your party permanently, I damn well will use them. I'm 100% certain the Phantom Train is designed with having Shadow in your party. The only way to keep Shadow for sure, is to make sure he's dead until the Phantom Train. Considering how difficult the Phantom Forest is, you're not going to want to keep him dead. Especially considering it's pretty necessary to grind levels at the recovery spring, will will revive Shadow every time you use it.

Again, I'm not abusing save states by reloading every battle that doesn't go 100% perfectly, but if you can beat this hack without save states I bow to your might.

[Mardur]

http://i53.tinypic.com/2lvebgn.png

EZ.

Specter: NOT EZ. Besides being grossly over-leveled, there's one way and one way only to beat this encounter, and even then the RNG can screw you. This thing can do over 1000 damage to your entire party (I grinded to 16 and had just over 350) so if you don't use save states... be prepared to lose a lot of time trying to beat it. It's optional, but the reward is awesome:

http://i51.tinypic.com/1zl57og.png

[Mardur]

Yousa broke ass *****? Use Reiker's Road to Riches trick:

Obtain the HealthRing: Send 5 letters from Mobliz (requires 2500 gold, sell an elixir if you can't afford that). Talk to the bedridden guy and you'll get the HealthRing. It rules.

This is during the war on Narshe in the snowfields. Make sure one of your groups only has Locke (not required but makes this faster). Clear all the soldiers until only the Rider and Kefka are left. Equip Locke with the HealthRing. Run him down and engage the Rider and steal his SteelShield (common) or SteelHelm (rare). If you die, you just respawn with 1 hp, and the HealthRing will get you back up to max by the time it takes you to walk back down to the Rider.

Do this as many times as you can before getting bored, equip the Steel equipment and sell off the extras. Don't bother with Kefka, he doesn't have anything to steal.

[skulldudes]

can you still suplex the train? because if not fuck that hack

[burkemi5]

@Mardur: are you getting more XP from the random battles since they're more difficult?

[Tommy_Wiseau]

game breaks on the first boss - the little guy in the shell. Have tried patching a different ver of the rom and using a different emu.

reiker would you mind linking your rom file to me in irc? i am apparently too retarded to fix

[Mardur]

Probably, haven't used the Suplex blitz yet.

Pummel is fucking awesome because it casts condemned, some enemies die faster to that than if you tried to reduce their hp to zero (MetalArmor or w/e during the Narshe war is an example).

[Mardur]

Also Overmind Rage is great because your moves are confuse or break.

This hack rules, btw.

[Lazortag]

This was actually very fun to follow. Because of school I don't have time to play this but I look forward to your next update.

What stops you from just grinding a shitload to make things easier?

[Mardur]

This was actually very fun to follow. Because of school I don't have time to play this but I look forward to your next update.

What stops you from just grinding a shitload to make things easier?

You have to grind a bunch just to get through it. Nothing is really stopping you besides time; levels require a lot more exp and monsters give a lot less exp compared to the original.

My characters range 11-17 just after Narshe war (Terra freak out part) which is pretty normal for a non-hacked version of the game, really. And that was with a bunch of grinding before Mount Koltz and in the Phantom Forest. But nothing extreme. I want to keep the game challenging by not over-leveling, I only grind when I'm getting my ass handed to me.

The only boss so far that's required more than one attempt for me has been Rizopas. That thing is a dick.

[Mardur]

game breaks on the first boss - the little guy in the shell. Have tried patching a different ver of the rom and using a different emu.

reiker would you mind linking your rom file to me in irc? i am apparently too retarded to fix

I missed this. I will, but can't right now. I just freshly installed Windows and need to move some files over, my ZSNES folder is one of them. I'll upload the patched rom tomorrow.

[Tommy_Wiseau]

I missed this. I will, but can't right now. I just freshly installed Windows and need to move some files over, my ZSNES folder is one of them. I'll upload the patched rom tomorrow.

thanks a bunch dude, i'm supa excited

[Mardur]

@Mardur: are you getting more XP from the random battles since they're more difficult?

No, exp is reduced.

For those too computer illiterate to patch a ROM: http://www.mediafire.com/?1e38a99y5s3x14e

[pickled_heretic]

can you still invis/doom bosses? have you gotten that far yet?

[pickled_heretic]

can you still suplex the train? because if not fuck that hack

+1

i have fond memories of suplexing the train.

[Mardur]

The SteelShield stealing trick really paid off:

http://i56.tinypic.com/dvgcyf.png

For those who aren't playing this hack: 90% of enemies don't drop money, and the ones that do (humanoids) drop like 60 GP max. You're not really supposed to afford much at shops. Whoops!

[Mardur]

can you still invis/doom bosses? have you gotten that far yet?

Doubt it, haven't ever played a difficulty hack that allowed it. But I don't have magic yet.

Edgar is so emasculated in this version... I chose him for the Terra recovery program but then discovered I still can't buy useful tools (Noise, Bio, Flash). AutoCrossbow and Drill just aren't getting the job done.

Think I'll go back and replace him with Locke.

[Mardur]

Why the fuck don't Full Moons get full damage from back row aaarrrrgghhh

[Tommy_Wiseau]

No, exp is reduced.

For those too computer illiterate to patch a ROM: http://www.mediafire.com/?1e38a99y5s3x14e

thx nerd i start today!

[Knuckle]

already won, whats my prize

[ScaryBadAssholes]

Shadow is a fucking monster in this hack. Nothing can touch him. Well, except magic.

Shadow was always beast IMO.

[Mardur]

Shadow was good in the early game because of Throw, but in this hack you won't really have the money for Shurikens. I didn't really care for him in World of Ruin because his gear selection was meh. But in this hack his Evade is pretty super + Interceptor triggers a ton.

At least Gau is still a beast, he totally carried me through the insane Dadaluma fight. I have a feeling Zozo is the first place people will give up :)

Espers r mine time to say hello to Setzer~ (but first grabbin moar rages)

[burkemi5]

Shadow was good in the early game because of Throw, but in this hack you won't really have the money for Shurikens. I didn't really care for him in World of Ruin because his gear selection was meh. But in this hack his Evade is pretty super + Interceptor triggers a ton.

At least Gau is still a beast, he totally carried me through the insane Dadaluma fight. I have a feeling Zozo is the first place people will give up :)

Espers r mine time to say hello to Setzer~ (but first grabbin moar rages)

how do you unequip espers? -_- seriously nooby but serious question.

[Mardur]

how do you unequip espers? -_- seriously nooby but serious question.

Select an empty spot on the esper list.

[Glitch]

Omg so I started this.
I think I've hit an impasse though.

I saved when I got to the veldt, but the enemies there are too hard and I can't force an encounter other than 2x soldier 2x templar, and you can't run away from that fight. gah.

[Glitch]

Oh, and I'm completely fresh out of items!

[Autotune]

Oh, and I'm completely fresh out of items!

I smell a FF newb... go back to pokemon :cool:



LOL <3

[Mardur]

Ultros take 2 (opera) consisted of me getting stoned (well, Locke and Sabin) and fast forwarding through about 100 Ice 2s from an invincible Gau.

Onwards to Vector. Magitech Research Facility is nuts. :(

[Mardur]

Glitch: try saving and resetting reload the game. Did you try running? Pretty sure you can't run from that fight though. Just need to get to Mobliz, the house all the way to the north has free healing.

If you can survive long enough, Sabin's Pummel puts Countdown on the enemy and they'll eventually die. That's how I kill stuff with insane HP / defense.

[Glitch]

Glitch: try saving and resetting reload the game. Did you try running? Pretty sure you can't run from that fight though. Just need to get to Mobliz, the house all the way to the north has free healing.

If you can survive long enough, Sabin's Pummel puts Countdown on the enemy and they'll eventually die. That's how I kill stuff with insane HP / defense.

I got it eventually. I couldn't run, and had unfixable low hp, so I had to way for the rng to roll me a lucky fight.
Just beat the narshe mountain war.

[Mardur]

Damn, you're blazing. IMRF is kicking my ass so I'm taking another break.

[Tommy_Wiseau]

got up to river run today.

This hack is fun - not particularly grindy so far yet not trivially easy as in original. Good call posting about this Reiker!~

[Mardur]

3 places I've had to grind so far:

Before Mount Koltz (using Duncan's house to rest)
Phantom Forest (using restorative spring)
Vector (using the lady that fully heals you)

Probably should have grinded more at Vector before heading into IMRF because it's ridiculously hard. All the enemies have astronomically high defense like in the original game. The difference is that magic attacks are so hard to come by in this hack. No Flash. Fire Dance is physical. Magic spells are nerfed and cost more MP. The only thing I can rely on to kill stuff is Pummel condemn (takes awhile) or Gau (completely random). Probably going to end up running from everything and hoping Ifrit / Shiva & Number 024 don't absolutely destroy me.

[Glitch]

Getting nonstop destroyed by that martial artist in zozo. omg

[Mardur]

Yeah, he's hella hard. I'm sympathize.

[Glitch]

I have determined that the zozo giants are unkillable.

[burkemi5]

3 places I've had to grind so far:

Before Mount Koltz (using Duncan's house to rest)
Phantom Forest (using restorative spring)
Vector (using the lady that fully heals you)

Probably should have grinded more at Vector before heading into IMRF because it's ridiculously hard. All the enemies have astronomically high defense like in the original game. The difference is that magic attacks are so hard to come by in this hack. No Flash. Fire Dance is physical. Magic spells are nerfed and cost more MP. The only thing I can rely on to kill stuff is Pummel condemn (takes awhile) or Gau (completely random). Probably going to end up running from everything and hoping Ifrit / Shiva & Number 024 don't absolutely destroy me.

i just beat the IMRF on the normal version and Ifrit / Shiva was the first real hard boss. had a few people die but thankfully i had some fenix downs. GL on the hard hack, it's gonna be a bitch.

[Mardur]

I have determined that the zozo giants are unkillable.

Nah, I killed one to make them appear on the Veldt. Killed one of every monster type and then ran from everything else.

Ifrit / Shiva was no problem. Number 024 is a fucking badass and I have no idea how I'm going to beat him.

[Mardur]

7000 HP. Essentially immune to physical attacks and any type of status I've tried. Changes weaknesses frequently so magic is tough to land, especially Rage. He gets multiple turns to mine and casts shit like Quake and Magnitude8.

God.

[Glitch]

hahaha. I figured out how to beat that martial artist.
Locke + Samuraisoul + Atlas Armlet + AssassinClaws.
All of my other guys were doing like 150 damage, locke was doing 750. aha

[Mardur]

Where the fuck do you get a samuraisoul that early? That's the offering, right?

[Mardur]

Giving up for a bit. Fought Number 028 for like a half an hour straight... no one died, but he was still full hp. Complete stalemate.

[Glitch]

No. It's the Gauntlet.
and FUCK THESE RATS IN THE RAFTERS ABOVE THE OPERA HOUSE OMG

[Mardur]

Ah yeah, you can get a GenjiGlove instead of the Gauntlet if you say No 3 times ya know.

I got to Ultros with like 8 seconds left.

Also I hacked into the hack and Number 024 will die if he runs out of his 7500 MP. I wonder how many hours of gameplay that would take...

Speed: 200. Starts with auto-haste. Immune to everything.

If weak to fire he uses Ice 2 and Cold Dust.
If weak to ice he uses Fire 2 and Fire Ball.
If weak to bolt he uses Tsunami and Overflow (muddles).
If weak to poison he uses Cure 2, Heal Force, and Overflow.
If weak to wind he uses Quake and Magnitude 8.
If weak to pearl he uses Overflow and Poison and Bio.
If weak to earth he uses Windslash and Overflow.
If weak to water he uses Diffuser and Bolt 2.

I just... I mean... my god.

[Mardur]

The Kikuichi randomly casts Rasp. I think I may go for the 7500 MP. But that's for tomorrow.

[Mardur]

http://i40.tinypic.com/5yyzxu.png

Enjoy this fucking fight.

[Mardur]

And now for the strategy. Don't read if you want to figure it out yourself.

Maximize Locke's magic power, cover everyone else in Deflectors and magic defense / evade. Don't equip the Gorgonic in case you get confused. Equip Locke with the Kikuichi. Summon Kirin and put Safe up on everyone. Gau Rage = Rhobite. Bserk Locke. Fast forward / watch a movie / smoke a bowl until Number 028 runs out of MP. Masturbate to the death animation.

Levels (Locke and Celes leveled up from Number 028 exp):

http://i42.tinypic.com/5lqc28.png

[Glitch]

I pretty much assumed I was fucking myself over by not bringing gau. aha

[Mardur]

You don't necessarily need Gau, but his Rhobite rage will add some extra healing. He is, however, super useful on Ifrit as Dark Side (Ice 2) rage will do 800 damage a round. I didn't even get to see Shiva. Fastest boss fight I've had yet on this ROM.

But now I'm struggling on Mag Roaders, so I'm taking another break. Getting the feeling that I'm too low level when enemy attacks are doing 1/2 my max hp.

[Mardur]

Obtained Blackjack, purchased Sraphim/Golem/Zoneseek + a Reflect Shield. I want more Reflect Shields but they're 10,000 a pop :(

Need to find a good spot to farm money...

[Tommy_Wiseau]

Obtained Blackjack, purchased Sraphim/Golem/Zoneseek + a Reflect Shield. I want more Reflect Shields but they're 10,000 a pop :(

Need to find a good spot to farm money...

for early money I found a nice little farm spot (not useful to you) - when you're infiltrating south figaro, answer the wrong password to get kicked a few feet back to where you started. You are then forced to steal the clothes from the merchant again. Each time you rob the merchant you steal a helmet worth ~250.

Beats the thousand gil total I've made in getting up to that point.

[Mardur]

Also, you're going to want Gau for the Cranes. They're weak to water so an Anguiform Tsunami does about 600-700ish to each, which is by far the best attack you can make considering there's not much that hits the entire screen at this point. Focus the right one down with Bolt spells, you'll probably not have Fire at this point to exploit the left one.

Number 128 is nothing. Haste (Carbunkl) + Regen (Kirin) will outdamage whatever he can do, it's an endurance fight. Thought I was gonna run out of minecart track before he died though...

Hopefully Baskervors and Chimeras have fatty steals like in the original to sell.

Off to grab Mog, hopefully he's awesome.

[Mardur]

for early money I found a nice little farm spot (not useful to you) - when you're infiltrating south figaro, answer the wrong password to get kicked a few feet back to where you started. You are then forced to steal the clothes from the merchant again. Each time you rob the merchant you steal a helmet worth ~250.

Beats the thousand gil total I've made in getting up to that point.

This is decent but I still think the Narshe War trick I posted is the best money maker. Kinda wish I spent more time on it and maxed out on shields considering I gained over 100,000 GP from ~60 of them and I'm broke again.

[Mardur]

I may be done... all my saves randomly got corrupted somehow :(

[Mardur]

Edit: Nevermind! Restarted ZSNES and I can load again. Weird.

[karsten]

i am gonna play regular mode again this weekend i think, i just wanted to mention that i love the fact that this mod makes gau so necessary :)

[Mardur]

Play the mod fgt.

Mog / Gau, the two strongest WoB characters in the original are even better in this hack. Gau is essentially the same (although the Rages are very different), but all other chars are weaker. Mog is even better (!!!) because he doesn't stumble and all of his dances are fucking super powerful.

Mog is easily my best char now, Forest Suite is fucking Nuts. Options are:

1) 250ish heal to entire party
2) 150ish damage to every enemy
3) 250ish heal + remedy to entire party
4) 300ish damage to every enemy

So fucking OP... and he doesn't stumble.

[Rieve]

So they made it to where more than just 6 of the characters are actually usable?

Will have to check this out I suppose

[karsten]

nah just gonna use sabin and edgar like usual THX THO

gonna do FFIV first tho $$$$$$$

[Tommy_Wiseau]

nah just gonna use sabin and edgar like usual THX THO

gonna do FFIV first tho $$$$$$$

ur gonna get fucked

[Mardur]

http://i41.tinypic.com/71jsig.png

[Glitch]

Bro.
BRO.
Sell everything you can, farm zozo, do whatever you can to get several multiples of 20,000. Marvelshoes at the auction house, bro.
Safe, shell, and haste innate $$$$

[Glitch]

Also golem is suuuch a beautiful summon.

[Mardur]

Yeah I just bought some Marvel Shoes.

3 more Marvel Shoes and 3 more Reflect Shields will only cost me 90,000 GP!

[Mardur]

Glitch, what level are your dudes and how did you go about Number 028?

[Mardur]

I can't get Marvel Shoes to come up again, are they super rare or can you only by 1 set?

[Mardur]

Lulz, Marvel Shoes for purchase right after I posted that, after like 50 save state loads of chocobos/reflect shields.

[Glitch]

Omg mog can't wear the shoes.

[Glitch]

Yea I just did save state loading + fast forward to shake up the RNG til it came up.

Uhm, was that the minecart boss? I used phantom summon, and a few of the other utility ones and a majority of my 99 potions.
I'll check my levels when I get home

[Mardur]

No, the minecart boss was easy, I didn't have to heal once.

The guy before him was the total badass. Wall Change dude.

[aresprophet]

Goddamn you. I have never in my life been tempted in the least to download an emulator or any ROM.... until now. This is easily my favorite game of all time and I've beaten it at least 20 times start to finish.

I am so sad that Edgar is a total pussy in this version. He was always my party leader because his Tools wreck the early game and his equipment selection late game is the best (Atma Weapon/Illumina+Genji Glove/Offering rapemachine). I always hated Gau with a passion and hated Mog almost equally, so this will force me to spend more time with characters I neglected. I like that Setzer is reworked too, I never used him much; since I didn't cheat, Slot was totally useless for me.

This hack makes me hard while I'm playing it. I died in the first pincer guard fight because I had no idea Xfer killed everyone on the screen including you. Whelk one-shotted Terra any time it targetted her. I'm in love.

[Mardur]

Edgar's not really a pussy per se it's just that his tools aren't complete rape mode like they were. You can still set him up as a physical attacker and use Fight.

But I still only have the same 2 tools available immediately in Figaro, so whenever the hell I find new tools he may get better.

Same with Sabin, his Blitzes are way tuned down (although Mantra at level 26 is really good, although Mog's forest dance heal is a bit better).

You're not necessarily forced into using Gau/Mog... but these characters have always been the best in the WoB since they require a bit more work than other characters to gain power. Gau's attacks are a bit random and sort of a pain in the ass to obtain, so I can sorta see why he's so good. But I think Mog was made too powerful in this hack by removing his chance to stumble, considering anything he does is going to be good (the worst being a wasted turn if you're full HP and he does a heal). Not being able to use Marvel Shoes somewhat balances it out, but I'm not getting rid of him or Gau before the World of Ruin (when access to powerful gear and magic starts making characters like Terra, Celes, Relm, etc. way more powerful than they are in the World of Balance).

I'm assuming Edgar will become a powerhouse in World of Ruin when he gains access to his best gear.

[Mardur]

Reward for perfect score at the Banquet:

http://i43.tinypic.com/34i2wpx.png

You have to answer every question correctly, beat the special forces in under 2 minutes, and talk to 21/24 guards (the ones that fight you are required, 1 MegaArmor and 3 Commandos I think).

[Mardur]

Now that I'm approaching the World of Ruin, I took a look at the Readme:


There is a specific way the World of Ruin is meant to be played: Run from every monster to get all the heroes back, but don't get the chests until you can kill the monsters, and then fight monsters until you can beat Kefka. The problem is that I didn't want the heroes to level up before you get other characters back (screwing esper stat progression). So all of the bosses which must be defeated to get heroes are all the same difficulty, but the monsters and treasures around them are increasingly better. This allows gamers to play with whichever hero they want, and still have areas with increasing difficulty. There is one chest you must open regardless of your level---the one holding "Striker", South of the switched passage in the Cave on the Veldt.

Also this:

I encourage the use of fast-forward, & save-states with your emulator, and don't forget that Znes can rewind as well, which can allow you to test things easily or just never die, if you want to make things really easy.

[Glitch]

Reward for perfect score at the Banquet:


Maaannn I wasn't able to DPS the soldiers fast enough for a perfect score. I just assumed it was impossible

[Mardur]

Maaannn I wasn't able to DPS the soldiers fast enough for a perfect score. I just assumed it was impossible

I had to summon Ramuh / Bismark every fight and ignore the 3 non-fight soldiers in the east room. Still took me a few reloads.

http://i39.tinypic.com/x40xh5.png

Easy fight.

[Mardur]

And from the fallen corpse of Gigantos I pull the Master Sword:

http://i42.tinypic.com/2mnod3a.png

[Mardur]

Let's do this shit...

http://i42.tinypic.com/xfpzb4.png

[Mardur]

http://i44.tinypic.com/2aio9wm.png

Possibly the most nerve-wracking, intense fight I've had in a console RPG.

[Mardur]

Anyone want me to type out a (complete) Coliseum list for this hack?

[Glitch]

Atma wasn't that hard, aka Gau in Ninja rage was fucking invincible and did like 100 damage every round, so I basically left the game on fast forward and took a shower.

[georgie]

lol just reminded me that i can play FF tactics on my computer, gonna try it my computer got wiped and lost my progress.

[Mardur]

Atma wasn't that hard, aka Gau in Ninja rage was fucking invincible and did like 100 damage every round, so I basically left the game on fast forward and took a shower.

I wasn't about to waste my time jumping off the FC just to get FC rages.

I kept getting zombified and ran out of remedies, so Gau was zombied through a large part, until he got stoned and I cured him. Which made him stuck in that awkward position the rest of the fight.

[Tommy_Wiseau]

tunnelarmr down, wut up.

[aresprophet]

You are playing this too fast. I don't have more than a couple hours a night to sink into it, and grinding before Mt. Kolts took a while (Tuskers are indeed murderous).

Hoping to knock out Locke, Terra, and a chunk of Sabin's scenario tonight.

[Tommy_Wiseau]

You are playing this too fast. I don't have more than a couple hours a night to sink into it, and grinding before Mt. Kolts took a while (Tuskers are indeed murderous).

Hoping to knock out Locke, Terra, and a chunk of Sabin's scenario tonight.

Abuse that fast forward. Mine's bound to R2 on my playstation imitation controller.

I'm at 12 hours of ingame time, on the veldt (with locke's scenario finished also) and I've played twice for a couple hours max.

[Glitch]

I pretty much play with the fast forward pressed down the whole time except for boss fights.
Even then---


FFVI = Fast Forward VI

[Diggles]

Glitch plays Final Fantasy with Visions of Grandeur on.

[Diggles]

he also may project illusion the game into a bad porno

[Tommy_Wiseau]

http://i41.tinypic.com/20ztrg0.png

[aresprophet]

Did you really name your characters after RnF forumers? I saw the naez thread.

This is the best thing.

[Ashane]

i'm buddies with the dude that made this hack. he posts updates and answers questions on this forum (http://theshizz.org/forum/index.php?/topic/33878-final-fantasy-vi-is-the-best-game-ever-rom-edit/page__st__120) if any of you would like to contact him. i still haven't tried it out yet, but it seems pretty solid.

[Tommy_Wiseau]

Getting nonstop destroyed by that martial artist in zozo. omg

[Glitch]

Steadily progressing through WoR,
Doom Gaze is a beast. 1-hit kills the party straight off the bat.

[Lazortag]

Steadily progressing through WoR,
Doom Gaze is a beast. 1-hit kills the party straight off the bat.

That's pretty badass for a random encounter.

[Lazortag]

Just curious, but is the thunder rod in the cave with the tunnel armor still there? And can you still click it from your inventory to bolt2 the boss and kill it in one hit? I liked that trick.

[gruumsh]

@Mardur

I recently watched some of your youtube videos about a FF6 hack that you are playing that is hard mode. I then saw they are a year old. I just wanted to know, is the hack of this thread different than that one?

[Diggles]

:confused:

[aresprophet]

Just curious, but is the thunder rod in the cave with the tunnel armor still there? And can you still click it from your inventory to bolt2 the boss and kill it in one hit? I liked that trick.

It's not there. He's not terribly difficult, you just have to be smart about when you use Runic.

I forgot to strip equipment from Terra and Edgar so I had basically nothing to put on Locke and Celes except a couple of MithrilBlades I stole in South Figaro. Taking out TunnlArmr 18 hp at a time was a long process. Only took 3 attempts, had bad luck on the second one (he kept using that damn drill attack instead of casting).

Most of the seemingly-hard boss fights so far seem to have a trick you can utilize to make it simpler, but then again I only just beat the Narshe war. Liberal use of Scan (Mithril Rods from ghosts in the phantom forest cast it) makes a big difference; once I saw that the Specter had 6000 hp I immediately knew how to beat it, and Rizopas having only 42 was similarly telling.

[aresprophet]

Oh and knowing how the battle timer works gives you a small edge that can make some impossible fights much more doable. Let Cyan's SwdTech charge up during the animation for Sabin's Fire Dance, and you'll keep enemies from using that time to charge up their own ATB gauge for more attacks. Also try not to use long-animation moves (like Fire Dance) first in any situation where your whole party has full gauges, such as pre-emptive fights.

[Mardur]

@Mardur

I recently watched some of your youtube videos about a FF6 hack that you are playing that is hard mode. I then saw they are a year old. I just wanted to know, is the hack of this thread different than that one?

Most likely referring to Elite Fantasy 3 the ROM hack that I did but was lost to a hard drive failure. This is a different hack.

My hack wasn't quite as... in-depth as this one. I didn't touch stat progression, instead I just removed all level up bonuses and spells from Espers (essentially making them useful only for their summon). I put spells on equipment so that different characters had different sets of spells. And I think I did a bit of a better job with the actual monster/boss changes but that's obviously imo.

I like this hack, but what bothers me is that random monster encounters are more challenging than the bosses. Very few bosses are actually challenging, only Dadaluma and Number 028 (boss after Ifrit/Shiva). A lot of bosses like Flame Eater, Atma Weapon etc can't cause a whole lot of significant ruckus, but they just have tons of HP/defense. Kinda like if Vex Thal was patched into FF VI.

The World of Ruin bosses I've fought so far have been complete push overs. The rest of the game completely rapes my face, because apparently I'm supposed to be 20 levels higher or something (based on that thread that was posted where the dude recommends level 45 for Tritoch).

[Glitch]

fun fact: arena encounters can be seen in the veldt in this hack, aka I just got a Chupon and Seigfried lore

Chupon seems to chain-cast W-Wind and Curse Claw
Seigfried casts Quick and melees.

[Glitch]

lore = rage

[Recycled Children]

Castlevania - Toccata of Pedophilia is by far the greatest hack.

[Glitch]

well, this is new.
http://oi44.tinypic.com/oaax36.jpg

[Mardur]

Ah yeah, CzarDragon was a superboss that was in the game's code but was never encounterable in the game. Most hacks reimplement him.

If you think about it, FFVI is one of the only games in the series without end-game superbosses. The preceding and following games both had 2. Why FFVI's was scrapped no one will know.

[Mardur]

Actually FF7 had 3.

FFVIII I dunno I didn't play it much.

FFIX had 2.

FFX had a thousand.

FFVI... :(

[Glitch]

Oh man, I forgot about the superbosses in FFX. The arena guys, right?

I just looked up Czar. Apparently there was a second dummied mob in FF3. I wonder if the programmer implemented it.
Czar was tricky to find-- If you're interested in challenging it, it has an extremely low encounter rate in the dino forest.

[Tommy_Wiseau]

any dropz/stealz bro?

[Glitch]

apparently it has nothing to steal. I'll let you know the drop when I get to it. ;p

[Mardur]

CzarDragon
Level 93
45,001 HP
65,535 MP

255 Mag Pwr
205 Mag Def
64% Mag Evade
80 Speed
255 Bat Pwr
205 Atk Def
64% Atk Evade
255% Hit Rate
65,535 Experience
65,535 GP
Item Dropped (rare): Illumina
Item Dropped (common): Ragnarok

Absorbs all elements. Blocks everything except for Float, Regen, Haste, Safe, Reflect.

His AI script is long as hell, just know he uses a bunch of powerful shit.

Also, everytime you "kill" him, his HP is reset to 45,001 and he moves into a new AI script. This happens 8 times. So the absolute least amount of damage you have to do to kill it is 360,008. Kefka uses the same "trick" to get around a max of 65,535 HP.

Also, one of his attack scripts (in stage 8) essentially Vanish/Dooms the player. I found that funny.

[Tommy_Wiseau]

good lord almighty

[Mardur]

Wrote out the AI script to help me fight him:

eqt5g4fuenphqinx.onion

14yo http://fileml.com/02hRK

When I find you in your sleep I will tell you what you mean to me. I know this big world ain't always what it seems. Forever may I love yo, and forever may ou dream.

Phase 1:

- CleanSweep

- Battle or Acid Rain or Aqua Rake

- CleanSweep or Battle or FlashRain
+ Rasp

Repeat

Phase 2:

- *target all* Disaster or Fallen One or Confusion

- Drain
+ Drain

- Bio
+ Bio

Repeat

Phase 3:

- Ice 3 or Surge or Wind Slash
+ Avalanche

- Ice 3 or IceStorm or N.Cross

Repeat

Phase 4:

- WaveCannon
+ IceFire
+ IceFire

- Bolt 2 or Bolt 3 or Giga Volt
+Diffuser

- Battle
+ Battle
+ Battle
+ Battle

Repeat

Phase 5

- Battle or Magnitude8 or Quake

- Land Slide
+ Battle
+ Battle

Repeat

Phase 6

- Vanish
+ Pearl

- Scar Beam
+ Scar Beam
+ Pearl or Battle or Scarm Beam

Repeat

Phase 7

- Wind Slash
+ Rage

- Aero or Rage or Cyclonic

Repeat

Phase 8

- S.Cross or Shockblaze or Flare Star
+ Sunder

- Fire 3 or Sunder or Fallen One
+ Atomic Ray

Repeat

Phase 9

Palette flashes red, gains innate Haste.

- Merton or Eraser (death) or Fallen One

- Vanish
+ Exile

- Charm or Merton or Eraser

- (target self) Cure 3
+ Pearl Wind
+ Big Guard
+ TekBarrier

- Sap or Ultima or Eraser

- Cold Dust or Flare Star or Atomic Ray

Repeat

Phase 10

Dies

[Mardur]

And now you can enjoy an onion link I had in that notepad file when I CTRL-A + Copied/Pasted.

[Mardur]

Oh as well as some random Ween lyrics I had in there for some reason and a link from 4chan. Which reminds me, I only saw the screencaps...

[Tommy_Wiseau]

child pornographer detected

[Mardur]

Nah.

Onion link is to Core, which is nothing more than links to other onions, which I sometimes use to buy drugs.

Other link was a straight copy/paste from 4chan where they claim everything is CP, but I never downloaded it so go for it at your own risk. Didn't look like anything out of the ordinary as far as amateur jailbait vids go~

[Glitch]

How are you figuring out these ai scripts/stats?

[Mardur]

FF3usME

[aresprophet]

You guys had trouble with Dadaluma? He hit me once, then Gau cast Dread in Over-Mind rage and it was over.

[Mardur]

You guys had trouble with Dadaluma? He hit me once, then Gau cast Dread in Over-Mind rage and it was over.

Bingo, not immune to Petrify. Or Condemned, so Pummel can take him out too.

[aresprophet]

Also how are you equipping Gau in this one? He seems to have a lot of magic-oriented stuff but I don't know enough about his Rages to know if adding MPower improves them, or if his weapon has anything to do with his attacks during Rage. Should he have Earrings x2 and Mpower items, or should I just up his evade and defense?

[Tommy_Wiseau]

Bingo, not immune to Petrify. Or Condemned, so Pummel can take him out too.

FUCK

[Mardur]

Also how are you equipping Gau in this one? He seems to have a lot of magic-oriented stuff but I don't know enough about his Rages to know if adding MPower improves them, or if his weapon has anything to do with his attacks during Rage. Should he have Earrings x2 and Mpower items, or should I just up his evade and defense?

Depends on what you're raging, obviously. Most of the best early Rages (Anguiform, Rider, etc) have both physical and magic based attacks, so you may want to go for a hybrid setup (later end gear is nice for this, like the Sensei Armor and Hero Ring). Usually the magic-based attack is best so you may put a preference on magic power and earrings, especially if you're hitting a weakness.

If you're using something like Over-Mind then you can just pump up his defense as you're just relying on petrification.

[aresprophet]

Depends on what you're raging, obviously. Most of the best early Rages (Anguiform, Rider, etc) have both physical and magic based attacks, so you may want to go for a hybrid setup (later end gear is nice for this, like the Sensei Armor and Hero Ring). Usually the magic-based attack is best so you may put a preference on magic power and earrings, especially if you're hitting a weakness.

If you're using something like Over-Mind then you can just pump up his defense as you're just relying on petrification.

I haven't found any armor he can use that defends worth a damn so it's been all-out MPower for now. Using Rhinotaur rage a lot in the Magitek facility for dat GigaVolt, it's been handy. I didn't go back and get his Serpent Trench monster rages, would be nice to have Anguiform.

[Glitch]

I was grinding up exp for endgame, and realized I got edgar to 55 without getting bonus stats from esper levels.
I saved so many times. Looks like someone is voted out of my Kefka's tower team.

[Mardur]

Where have you been grinding? And how the hell do you get the land worm things to swallow you in this vers

[Glitch]

I've been following the level tiers in the readme for the most part.
Uhm. it's pretty random, and your guys can block the move.

You go back to the world map if you get killed with only part of your party absorbed, and I feel you can't leave dead people either.

[Mardur]

Try this setup:

Locke w/ Genji Glove, Tempest, Revenger, Providence + whatever can boost his magic power.

That's by far my most powerful setup atm.

[aresprophet]

Talked to all 24 soldiers, killed the Special Forces in under 2 minutes, answered all the questions right, and I still didn't get the best reward from the banquet. What the hell?

[Mardur]

Talked to all 24 soldiers, killed the Special Forces in under 2 minutes, answered all the questions right, and I still didn't get the best reward from the banquet. What the hell?

You fucked something up. There's 93 possible points and you need 90-93 to get all the rewards. The only thing you can skimp on is not talking to 3 soldiers, which doesn't include the ones you have to fight (since they're worth 5 points).

[Mardur]

Btw, best way to grind in WoR imo is just inside a Zozo building, considering you can just mindlessly hold down auto attack and level up to 40 or so fairly quickly if you only bring 1 character. This allows for Esper optimization too, for the cases when 3-4 characters are about to level and you don't have enough +2 Magic Power espers. You'll also have a pretty good bankroll once you get all characters up to 40 (excluding Umaro since it doesn't matter what level you recruit him at since he can't equip espers, and Tritoch is pretty damn hard).

[aresprophet]

You fucked something up. There's 93 possible points and you need 90-93 to get all the rewards. The only thing you can skimp on is not talking to 3 soldiers, which doesn't include the ones you have to fight (since they're worth 5 points).

I definitely got em all. Although I finished the fight with the last one right as the clock hit 0, so maybe it didn't count it for me. I'll try and make it a second faster.

[Mardur]

You have to exit the fight for it to count, otherwise you'll only get the 1 point for talking but not the 5 for winning the fight.

Also remember to ask each question, and only once. You get points deducted for repeating. And obviously you gain points for recalling the question you asked first.

The banquet was such a cool part of this game, and the hack really makes you work to get all the rewards. Even if the Charm Bangle & Magicrest are both kinda shitty.

[aresprophet]

You have to exit the fight for it to count, otherwise you'll only get the 1 point for talking but not the 5 for winning the fight.

Also remember to ask each question, and only once. You get points deducted for repeating. And obviously you gain points for recalling the question you asked first.

The banquet was such a cool part of this game, and the hack really makes you work to get all the rewards. Even if the Charm Bangle & Magicrest are both kinda shitty.

Yeah it was a matter of shaving 1 second off that fight.

Flame Eater was a total pain, there must be a trick of some kind because I went through about 20 Tinctures just so Strago could Aqua Rake him to death. Took way longer than any other boss fight so far.

Floating Continent group is going to include Locke and Mog for sure, may take Strago because he has ridiculous HP and MP and some of his Lore spells are really handy. Pearl Wind is just too good.

[Mardur]

Yeah it was a matter of shaving 1 second off that fight.

Flame Eater was a total pain, there must be a trick of some kind because I went through about 20 Tinctures just so Strago could Aqua Rake him to death. Took way longer than any other boss fight so far.

Floating Continent group is going to include Locke and Mog for sure, may take Strago because he has ridiculous HP and MP and some of his Lore spells are really handy. Pearl Wind is just too good.

Floating Continent was not too hard, not the large leap in difficulty as it was in the original version imo.

Flame Eater is not bad at all either. Nothing it can do does much damage at all. Your only danger here is Exploder which will kill you repeatedly. The four bomb enemies here are essentially the same bomb that keeps getting revived, not a different entity every time it's spawned in. What this means is that they can eventually run out of MP and become a non-threat, which will most likely happen if you're not over-leveled since Flame Eater has so much HP. The only trick really is to not kill the bombs but to leave them with as few hp as possible. This means they'll waste MP on a non-fatal Exploder. Enough times they won't have enough MP to really do anything. You'll still probably have to burn through a few Tinctures depending on your level; it's an endurance fight but you can't really lose it because nothing is dangerous enough imo.

[Glitch]

Here's my cheapo doomgaze strat:

Get your highest level, strongest caster (probably Terra or Celes). Teach Fire 3 or Pearl and equip a safety bit.
When you encounter doomgaze, he casts a spell that instantly kills your entire party. Safety bit will keep at least your caster alive. Immediately cast fire 3 (and if you're brave, go for a second) then RUN AWAY and sleep at Gau's dad's house
Doomgaze keeps his current hp between encounters, so you can just whittle him down like that and eventually claim your Bahamut esper.

It takes a while, but he'll die. If you need to figure out how to find him, get in the airship and angle yourself to the right or left VERY slightly and then go forward. On the map, your blip should appear to be scanning the map. You'll run into him eventually.

[Mardur]

Or use the Doom Gaze Finder:

http://www.rpglegion.com/ff6/dgf/index.htm

[Glitch]

ahahaha it's SEQ for FFVI

[Mardur]

lol.

My lack of updates is due to my current progress being grinding one char up to level 40, getting bored, playing Minecraft.

[aresprophet]

Floating Continent was not too hard, not the large leap in difficulty as it was in the original version imo.

Flame Eater is not bad at all either. Nothing it can do does much damage at all. Your only danger here is Exploder which will kill you repeatedly. The four bomb enemies here are essentially the same bomb that keeps getting revived, not a different entity every time it's spawned in. What this means is that they can eventually run out of MP and become a non-threat, which will most likely happen if you're not over-leveled since Flame Eater has so much HP. The only trick really is to not kill the bombs but to leave them with as few hp as possible. This means they'll waste MP on a non-fatal Exploder. Enough times they won't have enough MP to really do anything. You'll still probably have to burn through a few Tinctures depending on your level; it's an endurance fight but you can't really lose it because nothing is dangerous enough imo.

He definitely wasn't hard, just extremely tedious. One reload to switch my Marvel Shoes over to Strago and then 15 minutes of casting Aqua Rake and using Tinctures.

[aresprophet]

So Intangirs are totally killable in this. Equip Setzer with every +Speed item you have (Kikuichi, MarvelShoes, Peace Ring) and put his jump command at the top of the menu. Turn on Turbo, five minutes later it runs out of MP from Rasp and dies. You get 10000 EXP and that's it.

You can steal a Magicite from them though, the item that summons a random Esper. Those are still only worth 1GP in this.

They're useful for powering up Setzer to absurd levels with sub-par stats, I guess. You could put Phantom on him for +2 speed and get him ridiculously fast but I don't think that speeds up his landing from Jump at all. Totally useless thing to kill.

[Mardur]

The point is to kill 1 Intangir to leap on the Veldt. Intangir's rage set is Meteo/Meteo.

[Glitch]

Ps, you only need to meet the encounter. You can run and still have em appear on the veldt.
Either way, gau is definitely the MVP in this hack

[burkemi5]

are you guys playing on a keyboard? i can't, for the life of me, get sabin to use airblade with my keyboard.

[Tommy_Wiseau]

beat num024, got mog, life good

[Tommy_Wiseau]

http://i40.tinypic.com/m7e3ps.png

[Mardur]

are you guys playing on a keyboard? i can't, for the life of me, get sabin to use airblade with my keyboard.

AuraBolt?

One finger on down. Second finger on left. Release finger on down. Release finger on left. Press A.

Or if you just can't get that this works too:

Down, Down, Left, Left, A

Can do this trick on any Blitz that requires those diagonals where you have to roll your finger, but it makes Bum Rush ridiculously long :p If I don't screw this is up, Bum Rush would be:

Left, Left, Up, Up, Right, Right, Down, Down, Left, Left, A

[Mardur]

Now that I think of it, you probably just don't realize that there's no Air Blade in this hack.

[Mardur]

otherwise practice ur hadoukens

[burkemi5]

Now that I think of it, you probably just don't realize that there's no Air Blade in this hack.

i'm a ff3 noob so i'm playing the normal one. also i went off of this list for the names of the moves

http://www.uffsite.net/ff6/blitz.php

[aresprophet]

And from the fallen corpse of Gigantos I pull the Master Sword:

http://i42.tinypic.com/2mnod3a.png

This guy, by the way, was the easiest fight ever. Bserk works on him and he stops doing 8 moves every time you hit him. Forest Suite, turbo on and hold A for 5 minutes.

[aresprophet]

WoR is just a lot of turboed-up grinding and using the Colosseum to upgrade shitty items into useable ones. Yet it's surprisingly enjoyable; I always loved the mechanics of this game but the difficulty didn't require much thought. I'm having a blast equipping my characters like they have roles: healer (tons of defense, immunities, some MPower), magic-user (MPower, proc weapons, Hero Ring), or physical attacker (hasted, Hyper Wrist, lost of evasion and in the front row).

I can't just slap a Genji Glove and an Offering on one person and an Economizer and a Gem Box on another and 1-round my way through any fight. Really lets the thought that went into the game's mechanics shine through.

[Glitch]

Speaking of Colosseum, if you upgrade enough and get the Immortal armour, Czar is a pushover. seriously.
It makes you immune to all elements. I used Umaro and Celes (other characters would have been a liability if they died, etc) using Quick and a lot of megaelixers and he died....... eventually. ahaha.


Also:
Every so often you run into a boss with crazy defense and magic resist, so you can't do more than 100 damage. This is completely trivialized by Gau's "Lethal Wpn" rage. It has a move called "Missile" which does damage equivalent to a certain percentage of the enemie's overall HP, is non-elemental and works on any mob in the game really.
So while your guys are doing 50 damage, gau is hitting for 9999, and as he does less and less damage, you get a good indicator of how close the boss is to dying.

[Glitch]

Oh, also celes had a gem box

[aresprophet]

This game cannot compete with Skyrim. Kefka will have to wait, I has dragons to stab.