Difference in Classic Live *Rare* drops

[Thatguy05]

P99 ... 3 Days on and off lvl 30 mob with what seems like 1/100th chance of dropping after killing said mob 14 times in 3 days

Live ... IF even 30 mins on a level 30 mob to get the item drop.


Ohyeah I MAD BROS

[Mardur]

Very informative post 5 bloody stars.

[Thatguy05]

Thanks on the understanding and will to get to the bottom of this.

[Ele]

overwhelming details

[Palemoon]

I saw a Melodious Truncheon in the auction forums. You know not even ONE of those exist on Al'kabor , and I personally camped it for 2 weeks straight because I just have a thing for ultra rare items.

THere is even patch notes for the current EQ live progression server that say something to the effect of "certain kunark drops were made more common". Guarantee you Truncheon was one of them.

If there are more then a few Melodious Truncheons on p99, NOT CLASSIC. You guys don't know the meaning of true "ultra rare".

How many of those are there on the server? If its more then a few, a bug report is in order.

[Harrison]

Melodious Truncheon wasn't ultra rare. I saw that thing all the time on live, long before progression.

[Palemoon]

Well not even one has ever dropped on Al'kabor, and only three Steel Hilted Flint Daggers (I own one). About the same number of those short swords that proc darkness.

The rare drops from Howling Stones are VERY rare on Al'kabor. And yeah I know all the place holders of ever named in the joint. When you are stuck with the same expansions for half a dozen years.. you have to find things to amuse yourself with.

[Palemoon]

hmm can't edit this in so new post:

Let me elaborate. On Al'kabor there is a glitch/bug with the pacify line of spells. Basically, if you cast pacify twice in a row on mobs, they stay paccifed forever. So.. i've pacified the entire dungeon of howling stones and did nothing but run from one place holder to the next killing only the named and placeholders... for weeks at a time (would just AFK in the dungeon around the pacified mobs while not killing named).

Yeah its an awful bug, but we are the forgotten server so we get zero fixes (this might change real soon though thanks to Lion not working with the old EQ client), but that pacify bug has allowed me to thoroughly mega camp howling stones (and other dungeons) and see the drop rates over hundreds of named and placeholders.

I had over hmm hell if i know, 50 bloodpoints at one time, I lost count.. just destroyed them, trying for a steel hilted flint dagger.. same with the Truncheon, that NEVER dropped. Only saw one short sword of obeteration too in all that time.

Just saying.

[Harrison]

It sounds like a bug in the RNG/loot tables.

I owned a LOT of steel hilted flint daggers on live. I used them as pet weapons.

[Asher]

Tranquil Staff dropped maybe once a month on live. Here it is about one a day.

Wu's Trance sticks used to be rare as fuck. Probably also around one a month. Here there are several that drop each day.

Many drop rates suck ass on this server. I don't know what you expect on an emulated server. If you have proof that something is wrong post it in bugs, wait 6 months and it may get fixed.

Asher

[burkemi5]

maybe have something to do with everything being perma camped on here? if it's being killed every PH then it is more likely to appear

[ScaryBadAssholes]

Tranquil Staff dropped maybe once a month on live. Here it is about one a day.

Wu's Trance sticks used to be rare as fuck. Probably also around one a month. Here there are several that drop each day.

Many drop rates suck ass on this server. I don't know what you expect on an emulated server. If you have proof that something is wrong post it in bugs, wait 6 months and it may get fixed.

Asher

While you're correct about Tstaves, you couldn't be more INCORRECT about Trance Stix.

Trance stix were uber common on live -- with yard trash xp grinds in COM usually netting the group one or two of them.

[inyane]

yeah, seems like every monk over 50 has a tstaff here

[Wutno]

maybe have something to do with everything being perma camped on here? if it's being killed every PH then it is more likely to appear

^this

[Asher]

While you're correct about Tstaves, you couldn't be more INCORRECT about Trance Stix.

Trance stix were uber common on live -- with yard trash xp grinds in COM usually netting the group one or two of them.

I have easily put in 100 to 200 hours in CoM in my prior 12 years in the game. I have never once seen a trance stick drop on Prexus or FV.

Asher

[Asher]

maybe have something to do with everything being perma camped on here? if it's being killed every PH then it is more likely to appear

Yea, nothing was permacamped on live during kunark when servers had over twice the population during primetime that these servers do during this time period. :rolleyes:

Asher

[Palemoon]

Trance sticks from CoM yard trash? I'm gonna agree with Asher here, never saw them drop grinding xp on Rallos Zek , nor more recently farming epic drops in CoM on Al'kabor.

If tranquil staves are droping once a day on p99.... and Melodious Truncheons are so common they are being sold... hmmm.

(and what drops did the EQlive devs "make more common in kunark" recently on the progression servers? Some of them had to have been almost non existant rare for them to bother making a change like that.... ultra rare like classic tranqil staves/trance sticks/crap from Howling stones).

[Asher]

They are just doing their best with the information they have and this is a free server.

I am hoping that once we have a polished server they will consider a re-release of p99.

Asher

[Lazortag]

If you seriously think it's accurate that Al'Kabor has not one Melodius Truncheon after several years of the server being up, well you're just silly.

[Palemoon]

Its because hardly anyone goes to Howling Stones (server released with the first five expansions out at once, so there was no "kunark era" with people crowding the kunark dungeons, and howling stones has a very anoying no rent key system) + the Melodious Truncheon being the ultra rarest of three drops off a rare mob = not silly.

I dont think a single "Bam Stick" exists on the server either, guess thats silly too. List goes on.

[Asher]

If you seriously think it's accurate that Al'Kabor has not one Melodius Truncheon after several years of the server being up, well you're just silly.

Al'kabor is a very tightly knit community. When I played there my bard was the top geared bard on the server with the same name as my forum name here.

Gnostica, a well known wizard has spent more time in this zone then anyone else on the server and said in many many hours a Truncheon never dropped.

I am not sure who Palemoon is on Al'kabor but what he says is true. There is not 1 on the entire server.

Asher

[Lazortag]

Right, I wasn't being clear. When I said it wasn't accurate I was trying to say that it was surely the cause of a bug and that the truncheon wasn't actually that rare at that point in the timeline.

[EnnoiaII]

P99 ... 3 Days on and off lvl 30 mob with what seems like 1/100th chance of dropping after killing said mob 14 times in 3 days

Live ... IF even 30 mins on a level 30 mob to get the item drop.


Ohyeah I MAD BROS

Depends on the item and the mob. Some of the lower level rare spawns are unreasonably long spawn timers even on live with terrible drop rates.

[EnnoiaII]

Well not even one has ever dropped on Al'kabor, and only three Steel Hilted Flint Daggers (I own one). About the same number of those short swords that proc darkness.

The rare drops from Howling Stones are VERY rare on Al'kabor. And yeah I know all the place holders of ever named in the joint. When you are stuck with the same expansions for half a dozen years.. you have to find things to amuse yourself with.

Isn't Al'Kabor the Mac server? LOTS of things are different there. You guys kill Quarm yet? /snicker

[Asher]

Isn't Al'Kabor the Mac server? LOTS of things are different there. You guys kill Quarm yet? /snicker

Temerity is close last I checked. We had killed Fennin and Xegony when I was there and I heard they killed Coirnav after I left.

PoE is very buggy. Rock ring is broken.

Backflagging is a bitch and the server wasn't didn't get the patch to kill it. The flags also have to be done in the specific order because Alkabor didn't get that fix either.

There are not "Lots" of things different there. There are some relatively minor bugs there that didn't get fixed during that time line. At a specific point support was cutoff and the server was stuck with no patches or updates.

The server is as close to Classic as SoE offers right now and the Devs would be well advised to use it as a model for this server.

Asher

[Palemoon]

The server is as close to Classic as SoE offers right now and the Devs would be well advised to use it as a model for this server.

Asher


Yep, thats why I reference Al'kabor so much, its the perfect model for this server. EQ did not change that much at all between 1999 and Al'kabors client. It was only after that timeline that things started to get crazy/ez with huge pet ravamps, zone revamps, spells all revamped,etc.

If only Al'kabor could somehow burn Plane of Knowledge to the ground.... it would be the perfect server :( (minus a few bugs that later got fixed PC side)

(oh, and make a red clone of itself..)

Tem beat warlord ginklo..wtf his name is too. So only rathe council left, unfortunatly we have the version that was never beaten by anyone, anywhere so... yeah.

[Tommy_Wiseau]

all PC eq bitches who think temerity is inept need to check themselves. The PoP version we have is almost impossible at EPs+ and it is _always_ a struggle to even get 40 people in a raid considering the population and flagging requirements. FPS and latency are a huge issue; literally no computer exists that will run an EQmac raid above slideshow fps. We're playing the version before the version Furor was playing when he made his famous weepy rant about dev cockblocking, so feel free to shit on FoH's pve skills instead while you sit on trak's bind with 75 people mr. eqexpert.

It's for the best anyway - server would seem a bit more pointless (a la p99) if all the content was being farmed and all we had to do was jerk off and spam image macros.

[Tommy_Wiseau]

PS - we did what we've done without mq2 or showeq ever existing for mac :cool:

[Palemoon]

FPS and latency are a huge issue; literally no computer exists that will run an EQmac raid above slideshow fps.


Hobart has been asigned by SOE to work on EQmac since the latest mac OS is not compatible with it so... if NOTHING ELSE we (I) look forward to the day in the near future where we get some huge performance boosts.

heh, I may even finally work on getting GM crafting skills if there is mouse lag improvment.

And if he fixes a few of our 7 year old bugs while he is at it, great.

[Gwence]

no one cares dude

[hrafn]

no one cares gwence

[Asher]

PS - we did what we've done without mq2 or showeq ever existing for mac :cool:

Who are you on Al'kabor?

Asher

[Asher]

Hobart has been asigned by SOE to work on EQmac since the latest mac OS is not compatible with it so... if NOTHING ELSE we (I) look forward to the day in the near future where we get some huge performance boosts.

heh, I may even finally work on getting GM crafting skills if there is mouse lag improvment.

And if he fixes a few of our 7 year old bugs while he is at it, great.

Fixing the perma pac bug on lvl 66+ mobs would be nice.

Asher

[Tommy_Wiseau]

i'm mellas dogg, big asher

[Asher]

You went back to Al'kabor?

I didn't know you went under this name now. lol :)

Asher

[Tommy_Wiseau]

nah - i'm inactive, can't justify the subscription fee. just felt like sticking up for tems.

My name was forcibly changed thanks to a certain now-gone dev.

[Palemoon]

Tranquil Staff dropped maybe once a month on live. Here it is about one a day.

Wu's Trance sticks used to be rare as fuck. Probably also around one a month. Here there are several that drop each day.

Many drop rates suck ass on this server. I don't know what you expect on an emulated server. If you have proof that something is wrong post it in bugs, wait 6 months and it may get fixed.

Asher


Ok im gonna put this info here after this quote and in this tread. This is one of the "strat bullets" of someone on Al'kabor who recently had a lot of time on his hands and decided to camp the tranq. staff. Posting the relevant bullet only to illustrate why something is deeply wrong if every monk on p99has a tranq staff and they are actually being sold in the bazzar:

4) I've been camping him for the last week on an average of 7 hours a day and get an average of 7 warlords a day to spawn during this time. I estimate as of now, I've killed about 50 warlords. Out of those 50, I've gotten 3 dwarven saps, 3 deepwater boots, and 44 jarcrap bracers.

And yes he had all of karnaors to himself, and was taking down all of the serveral PHers for the warlord.

[Bazooka]

Oh well, server is already flooded with them. A fix before red99 hits Kunark would be cool though :cool:

[Nizzarr]

ultra-rare items arent that rare here.

It seems when you start a monk here, it starts with a tranquil staff.

We had one tranquil staff in legacy of steel a little into velious. There was 2 other known on the server then. Karnor castle was way more crowded than it is here.

I've sold like 30 fungi tunics and never got a staff off the king on live.

Solist's icy wand -- This should be as rare as a tranquil staff.

I'm sure theres a few other, mainly a few HS drops.

[Zinyen]

hmm can't edit this in so new post:

Let me elaborate. On Al'kabor there is a glitch/bug with the pacify line of spells. Basically, if you cast pacify twice in a row on mobs, they stay paccifed forever. So.. i've pacified the entire dungeon of howling stones and did nothing but run from one place holder to the next killing only the named and placeholders... for weeks at a time (would just AFK in the dungeon around the pacified mobs while not killing named).

Yeah its an awful bug, but we are the forgotten server so we get zero fixes (this might change real soon though thanks to Lion not working with the old EQ client), but that pacify bug has allowed me to thoroughly mega camp howling stones (and other dungeons) and see the drop rates over hundreds of named and placeholders.

I had over hmm hell if i know, 50 bloodpoints at one time, I lost count.. just destroyed them, trying for a steel hilted flint dagger.. same with the Truncheon, that NEVER dropped. Only saw one short sword of obeteration too in all that time.

Just saying.

gee a forgotten server with ridiculous bugs that are server specific has some items that are ultra rare drops
yeah i can see how you'd assume the drop rates from there are officially correct

[Asher]

ultra-rare items arent that rare here.

It seems when you start a monk here, it starts with a tranquil staff.

We had one tranquil staff in legacy of steel a little into velious. There was 2 other known on the server then. Karnor castle was way more crowded than it is here.

I've sold like 30 fungi tunics and never got a staff off the king on live.

Solist's icy wand -- This should be as rare as a tranquil staff.

I'm sure theres a few other, mainly a few HS drops.

I agree with everything you said.


The HS drops you are looking for are the adamantite club and the melodious truncheon. I am probably missing a couple others. I have never pharmed either on this server so I am not sure what their rarity here is but they were both extremely rare on live. Adamantite club was rumored not to drop anymore for a time on live during kunark/velious.

Asher

[Nizzarr]

Adamantite club?

Never seen such things on live, we had a shitload of bloodpoints though.

I do think tigole got a short sword of obtenebration.

Never heard of melodious truncheon either!