TMO Wipe with 60 on GORE

[TMFail]

And with 50+ on TRAK

Yes, those people are making VP keys.

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://myoakwood.org/files/Amanda/kids%20laughing.gif&sa=X&ei=7iOKTsuxFY6M4gSE192FBw&ved=0CAoQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNGaQyZPJ-YYu_ppTrSSVY_5x7uhFQ

[Tommy_Wiseau]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Xeliso]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Tiggles]

I miss thread tags

[Shiftin]

let's be fair, they killed gore with only 68 people over the weekend.

[JenJen]

did these said things actually happen? give me some real drama plz

[TMFail]

did these said things actually happen? give me some real drama plz

Well last trak, Last gore Jen Jen, don't be mad brew

[Alarti0001]

let's be fair, they killed gore with only 68 people over the weekend.

and with 34 the week before.... so we have more friends than you !

[Alarti0001]

and with 34 the week before.... so we have more friends than you !

also apparently 34 people work on weekdays

[TMFail]

and with 34 the week before.... so we have more friends than you !

He said first, so you lose :(

[Shiftin]

seems disingenuous to only count the people who lived through the fight

[Alarti0001]

that is all we had on the raid feel free to look at our dkp page =). When did you guys last kill gore btw? pre hoop nerf?

[TMFail]

that is all we had on the raid feel free to look at our dkp page =). When did you guys last kill gore btw? pre hoop nerf?

Have you looked at the bank ? what could TR possibly really need off gore ?

: /

[Alarti0001]

Have you looked at the bank ? what could TR possibly really need off gore ?

: /

LOL i love how now that you can't kill targets you say you don't need them. Like how when your 30 accounts were suspended you went after faydedar as a prime target LOL

[Enygma]

let's be fair, they killed gore with only 68 people over the weekend.

Lets be fair, TR only had 9 characters show up and Sodapop cried.

Sworen

[TMFail]

LOL i love how now that you can't kill targets you say you don't need them. Like how when your 30 accounts were suspended you went after faydedar as a prime target LOL

Can't kill targets ?

Who got the last 3 Traks lol ? What's TMO's primary target huh ? Inny ? That's why you poopsock it with 54 ? :D

[JenJen]

TMFail i was merely asking as a neutral. which country in europe are you from anyway? your english is dog shit.

[quido]

I love how TR brags about banking dragon haste and has mains running around wearing RBGs.

[TMFail]

TMFail i was merely asking as a neutral. which country in europe are you from anyway? your english is dog shit.

Feel free to correct me, please quote me, Einstein.

[TMFail]

I love how TR brags about banking dragon haste and has mains running around wearing RBGs.

Better than having monks dual wielding Knuckle dusters :D

[Glitch]

Low quality thread

[JenJen]

what are the chances TMFail is Uaallaen or whatever? :)

[Alarti0001]

Can't kill targets ?

Who got the last 3 Traks lol ? What's TMO's primary target huh ? Inny ? That's why you poopsock it with 54 ? :D

you got 1 trak cause we didnt have a tracker and 2 others cause we fucked up an engaged without logged in DPS.
First trak you took 45 mins to engage and the last one you had the help of 20 VD..... so ya..... id call that "cant kill targets"

[TMFail]

what are the chances TMFail is Uaallaen or whatever? :)

Oh well who I am doesn't really matter, I'm doing this while farming you know...But I can see a lot of idiots like me, people like you, waste their time answering me :D

[Alarti0001]

what are the chances TMFail is Uaallaen or whatever? :)

thought is was kinsawt?

[JenJen]

just confirmed uaallaen

[TMFail]

thought is was kinsawt?

Your english is dogshit man, go take classes with JenJen

[TMFail]

just confirmed uaallaen

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://affordablehousinginstitute.org/blogs/us/wp-content/uploads/no_shit_sherlock-262x300.jpg&sa=X&ei=Ti2KTqmpCsXg4QSNwdChDw&ved=0CAoQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNFs53oFn8zCwHWVEOyNjWM0HYDXvQ

[Glitch]

Jenjen, I would just like to say that your posts are at least 20% cooler due to inclusion of Ross, AKA the top Friend.

[deneauth]

Go Lions.

[Diggles]

I knew it was Cyrius, just from the retarded logic and effeminate use of smilies

[Glitch]

This thread is now about which character on Friends is the best

[Silentone]

So much hate...

[Sodapop]

This thread is now about which character on Friends is the best

http://bbsimg.ngfiles.com/1/15096000/ngbbs478021b4886f7.jpg

Clearly Craig was the best.

[Gwence]

I love how TR brags about banking dragon haste and has mains running around wearing RBGs.

some people choose rbg over rbb

I wouldn't.. but some people do.

[Uaellaen]

just confirmed uaallaen

spell my name right, and btw i always post on uaellaen i dont need troll accounts like the rest of you low life fail trolls ;)

[Diggles]

I TAKE BACK MY POST DUE TO IRC SHENANIGANS.

TMFAIL IS MUFFINS.

[JenJen]

ross is the best friend
followed closely by jack gellar

[Zenlina]

TMFAIL IS MUFFINS.

Oh i get it now, since he fail app tmo + tr + Ascension + whats he in now?

Fitting troll name.

[Harrison]

Muffins is probably the biggest butthurt person this server has seen since Penoy.

[TMFail]

Muffins is probably the biggest butthurt person this server has seen since Penoy.

Thank me I didn't put you in my P99's most hated retard, cause regarding the posts you'd have won fatty :p

[TMFail]

you got 1 trak cause we didnt have a tracker and 2 others cause we fucked up an engaged without logged in DPS.
First trak you took 45 mins to engage and the last one you had the help of 20 VD..... so ya..... id call that "cant kill targets"

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE

[getsome]

rbg > rbb when have a cof or sky haste for certain classes, alot depends on your stats and what your aiming for.

our last three full members to be voted in that i am aware of got the following all from the bank.

barrat , myro bp and rbb , day he became member.

hokushin , rbb, a few days after he became member (i was on vacation)

Feena, BCG a minute after becoming member.

as for whats in there waiting for our current apps, i think someone updated our home page with a screen shot.

cheers,

get$ome

[Harrison]

Thank me I didn't put you in my P99's most hated retard, cause regarding the posts you'd have won fatty :p

You scare me with your idle threats. No, really. You do.

I am shitting my pants at the thought of a bunch of people I don't know calling me names on the internet via a poll from a person too chickenshit to post under their "real name" on a forum.

[Kassel]

ross is the best friend
followed closely by jack gellar

NO. Phoebe's porn star sister.

[Knuckle]

And with 50+ on TRAK

Yes, those people are making VP keys.

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://myoakwood.org/files/Amanda/kids%20laughing.gif&sa=X&ei=7iOKTsuxFY6M4gSE192FBw&ved=0CAoQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNGaQyZPJ-YYu_ppTrSSVY_5x7uhFQ

this is sad news, I take it TR got the kill then, right?

[Diggles]

VD got it!

[Alarti0001]

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE

you mistake truth for rage....but i never expected much for you

[Enygma]

rbg > rbb when have a cof or sky haste for certain classes, alot depends on your stats and what your aiming for.

our last three full members to be voted in that i am aware of got the following all from the bank.

barrat , myro bp and rbb , day he became member.

hokushin , rbb, a few days after he became member (i was on vacation)

Feena, BCG a minute after becoming member.

as for whats in there waiting for our current apps, i think someone updated our home page with a screen shot.

cheers,

get$ome

All tainted by the fact that you were cheating while you earned it.

Sworen

[Gwence]

^ massive idiot

[Tiggles]

All tainted by the fact that you were cheating while you earned it.

Sworen

[Baptiste]

^ massive idiot

[Diggles]

^ massive idiot


All tainted by the fact that you were cheating while you earned it.

Sworen

[Francois]

\/ massive idiot

[Diggles]

< massive idiot

[Eccezan]

^ kewl cat
< massive idiot
\/ massive idiot

[visage]

You scare me with your idle threats. No, really. You do.

I am shitting my pants at the thought of a bunch of people I don't know calling me names on the internet via a poll from a person too chickenshit to post under their "real name" on a forum.

I must say this seem's like a fat person post. I see a lot of shit going on and of course chicken is mentioned... Can you please post anything that doesn't involve you eating or any food , or perhaps shitting. It's really gross enough having to look at your avatar, but really asking a fat person to stop being fat is harsh I know. Just pretend it's the internet really ~

[Shaken]

TMFail i was merely asking as a neutral. which country in europe are you from anyway? your english is dog shit.

Look out the grammar police are Here to judge you.. I like anyone who makes posts about tmo's ability to suck more dick then Jenjen.

Any guild that has more active raiders the half the population on the server deserve there own roast thread. So, we all know tmo sucks, they only win by have more fucking noobs know to man in a raid... How can you lose when you have 10clerics+ healing 1 fucking jerk off tank, and 20more healers spot healing cause they suck so bad?.. Or having 30melee dps to burn the mob down so fast it's pointless to raid...

Good guilds NEED A CHALLANGE... Ascension and tmo merge was the dumbest fucking thing to happen in p99 history. I feel bad for durison, DA was the best guild on the server with some really quality players, then you merge with dozekar who also had some really core players.. Then you merge with tmo... Epic fail. Now nobody likes you, and your reputation is shit, congrats.

My rants are done with tmo, I can't waste my time talking about these asshats anymore.

I hope when VP open they all fuck off and wipe endlessly there and let the rest of the server progress

[Webwolf]

http://degreesearch.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/gunther-friends.jpg

[JayDee]

zerg wins everquest

deal with it

[Lazortag]

Since this is such an old game I'd have thought that most of the people playing here would be adults, but from reading this thread that doesn't seem to be the case. Seriously, you guys are arguing over the most trivial and childish shit. Anyone who gets into a dick measuring contest over which guild is better or which guild kills more mobs needs to grow up and re-evaluate their priorities in life.

[Alarti0001]

Since this is such an old game I'd have thought that most of the people playing here would be adults, but from reading this thread that doesn't seem to be the case. Seriously, you guys are arguing over the most trivial and childish shit. Anyone who gets into a dick measuring contest over which guild is better or which guild kills more mobs needs to grow up and re-evaluate their priorities in life.

Srsly? what race do you belong too. Everything is a dick measuring contest. Christians have bigger dicks than muslims. Americans have the biggest dicks of all though China's dick is growing rapidly.
America's dick landed on the moon first. But Russia's dick got to space first with that cursed sputnik. Luckily, for us Russia's dick is puny now.

[Aadill]

dicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicks dicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicks dicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicks dicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicksdicks dicksdicks

[Harrison]

Look out the grammar police are Here to judge you.. I like anyone who makes posts about tmo's ability to suck more dick then Jenjen.

Any guild that has more active raiders the half the population on the server deserve there own roast thread. So, we all know tmo sucks, they only win by have more fucking noobs know to man in a raid... How can you lose when you have 10clerics+ healing 1 fucking jerk off tank, and 20more healers spot healing cause they suck so bad?.. Or having 30melee dps to burn the mob down so fast it's pointless to raid...

Good guilds NEED A CHALLANGE... Ascension and tmo merge was the dumbest fucking thing to happen in p99 history. I feel bad for durison, DA was the best guild on the server with some really quality players, then you merge with dozekar who also had some really core players.. Then you merge with tmo... Epic fail. Now nobody likes you, and your reputation is shit, congrats.

My rants are done with tmo, I can't waste my time talking about these asshats anymore.

I hope when VP open they all fuck off and wipe endlessly there and let the rest of the server progress

FUCKING ROFL

[Hasbinbad]

..but from reading this thread that doesn't seem to be the case.
It took this thread for you to learn that?

[Gwence]

zerg wins everquest

deal with it

This is exactly why I support EQ during expansions like Luclin - PoP - GoD - OoW etc etc. Even Velious to some degree.

The zerg means nothing in these expansions and player skill and organizational skill in raid situations is the highlight.

[JenJen]

Shaken confirmed spastic to the community

[Tarathiel]

Since this is such an old game I'd have thought that most of the people playing here would be adults, but from reading this thread that doesn't seem to be the case. Seriously, you guys are arguing over the most trivial and childish shit. Anyone who gets into a dick measuring contest over which guild is better or which guild kills more mobs needs to grow up and re-evaluate their priorities in life.

/thread

[druziil]

Srsly? what race do you belong too. Everything is a dick measuring contest. Christians have bigger dicks than muslims. Americans have the biggest dicks of all though China's dick is growing rapidly.
America's dick landed on the moon first. But Russia's dick got to space first with that cursed sputnik. Luckily, for us Russia's dick is puny now.


I think you missed the point he was making. If it takes winning (at least how you define winning in this case) P99 Emulated Everquest to give you one instance in your life where you can say you have the biggest dick, then you are doing something wrong.

[Enygma]

^ massive idiot

^ banned for training. nuff said.

Sworen

[Gwence]

No I'm pretty sure I fucked your mother and they tried to ban me for it, I was like hey wtf this has nothing to do with the game. I'm allowed to fuck the shit out of whoever I want, and it just so happened your mother was wet and willing and I was like oh shit let's do this bitch.

It was pretty good I'm not gonna lie, she knows what she's doing.

Sorry, I'm not banned junior.

[Diggles]

lemme sum that up

Gwence says, 'I SLEPT WITH YOUR MOTHER AND THE GMS TRIED TO RUIN MY LANDS'

[Enygma]

Dear Rogean,
No I'm pretty sure I fucked your mother and they tried to ban me for it, I was like hey wtf this has nothing to do with the game. I'm allowed to fuck the shit out of whoever I want, and it just so happened your mother was wet and willing and I was like oh shit let's do this bitch.

It was pretty good I'm not gonna lie, she knows what she's doing.

Sorry, I'm not banned junior.

Because apparently you're Rogean's dad?

El oh el, it won't be long before you nerdrage and train again like at vox today and get banned again...

Sworen

[Diggles]

where did the dear rogean come from, Enygma?

nice quote edit fail, faggot.

[Enygma]

Dear Rogean,
No I'm pretty sure I fucked your mother and they tried to ban me for it, I was like hey wtf this has nothing to do with the game. I'm allowed to fuck the shit out of whoever I want, and it just so happened your mother was wet and willing and I was like oh shit let's do this bitch.

It was pretty good I'm not gonna lie, she knows what she's doing.

Sorry, I'm not banned junior.

Because apparently you're Rogean's dad?

El oh el, it won't be long before you nerdrage and train again like at vox today and get banned again...

Sworen

Fixd.

Sworen

[Enygma]

where did the dear rogean come from, Enygma?

nice quote edit fail, faggot.

apparently Gwence's loins.

Sworen

[Gwence]

Dear Rogean,
No I'm pretty sure I fucked your mother and they tried to ban me for it, I was like hey wtf this has nothing to do with the game. I'm allowed to fuck the shit out of whoever I want, and it just so happened your mother was wet and willing and I was like oh shit let's do this bitch.

It was pretty good I'm not gonna lie, she knows what she's doing.

Sorry, I'm not banned junior.

Because apparently you're Rogean's dad?

El oh el, it won't be long before you nerdrage and train again like at vox today and get banned again...

Sworen

I have no idea what your intentions were with this post but it makes no sense. I've always thought of you as one of the biggest morons this server has seen but this post makes me think you are actually handicap in real life. So I'm sorry for that, keep your chin up kid.

[Knuckle]

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[Seaweedpimp]

Remember when gwence uullaen and some other fat fuck rogue ran up while i was camping pained soul and sat on my spawn about 5 feet from where i was?

You fuckers ran up , like runnin on top of each ofther in some leet hax. Then you guys just stopped and sat there.


Anyways grats on that shit, even the GM didnt know what the fuck to do. Well, anyways i got the camp back after two days and you dingleberrys were still there trying to get it. I dont even think you did. That was some wild shit, and i will have no choice but to repay you guys in the same way.

[Moonface]

This is exactly why I support EQ during expansions like Luclin - PoP - GoD - OoW etc etc. Even Velious to some degree.

The zerg means nothing in these expansions and player skill and organizational skill in raid situations is the highlight.

Talking about skill when you have to train guilds to eliminate their threat of taking mobs.

[Autotune]

This is exactly why I support EQ during expansions like Luclin - PoP - GoD - OoW etc etc. Even Velious to some degree.

The zerg means nothing in these expansions and player skill and organizational skill in raid situations is the highlight.

The only thing hard about EQ is solo leveling, as a ranger.

[Diggles]

solo leveling as a warrior > ranger

[Loke]

I'm going to have to agree with Gwence. Although Kunark was a cool expansion overall, as far as the raid scene went it was just more of the same. I'm not saying NToV or VT were necessarily "difficult". However, going from 32k mobs that can't even really be considered "tank and spank" because they are so fast that tanking wasn't much of a factor to 30 minute fights where tanking, mana conservation and overall strategy played a much larger role certainly favored intelligent players.

I know you guys can sit around all day and talk about how EQ doesn't take skill, but any activity where you're forced to coordinate 50+ people for extended periods of time absolutely allows you to differentiate players (both individually and grouped) from one another. In my opinion, that is where the argument for "skill" in EQ is most relevant.

Also, given that the nature of pretty much every fight right now can be described solely by weighing raid DPS vs. mob health - it is really easy to wipe on an encounter if something happens that adversely affects the raid DPS (such as an entire raid getting hit by a DPS reducing AE). There really are no magical strategies on any of the fights right now - if your raid DPS is above a certain threshold, you will almost always win (the same cannot be said for later expansions, encounters like High Priest in Ssra is a prime example). So wiping on Gore is less about numbers, as aggregate DPS. Whether you have 30 or 60, if your sustainable DPS doesn't reach a certain threshold, you lose.

[Uaellaen]

Remember when gwence uullaen and some other fat fuck rogue ran up while i was camping pained soul and sat on my spawn about 5 feet from where i was?

You fuckers ran up , like runnin on top of each ofther in some leet hax. Then you guys just stopped and sat there.


Anyways grats on that shit, even the GM didnt know what the fuck to do. Well, anyways i got the camp back after two days and you dingleberrys were still there trying to get it. I dont even think you did. That was some wild shit, and i will have no choice but to repay you guys in the same way.

really? you tried to be stealin camps, GM came, you babbled him into a roll, you rolled and lost, i left, the person needing the key piece got it shortly after ... also we came like 3 minutes appart from each others, if you felt that it was "at the same time" your drugs must be awesome to reduce your reaction time to 180 seconds ... keep it going

[Uaellaen]

I'm going to have to agree with Gwence. Although Kunark was a cool expansion overall, as far as the raid scene went it was just more of the same. I'm not saying NToV or VT were necessarily "difficult". However, going from 32k mobs that can't even really be considered "tank and spank" because they are so fast that tanking wasn't much of a factor to 30 minute fights where tanking, mana conservation and overall strategy played a much larger role certainly favored intelligent players.

I know you guys can sit around all day and talk about how EQ doesn't take skill, but any activity where you're forced to coordinate 50+ people for extended periods of time absolutely allows you to differentiate players (both individually and grouped) from one another. In my opinion, that is where the argument for "skill" in EQ is most relevant.

Also, given that the nature of pretty much every fight right now can be described solely by weighing raid DPS vs. mob health - it is really easy to wipe on an encounter if something happens that adversely affects the raid DPS (such as an entire raid getting hit by a DPS reducing AE). There really are no magical strategies on any of the fights right now - if your raid DPS is above a certain threshold, you will almost always win (the same cannot be said for later expansions, encounters like High Priest in Ssra is a prime example). So wiping on Gore is less about numbers, as aggregate DPS. Whether you have 30 or 60, if your sustainable DPS doesn't reach a certain threshold, you lose.

^^ this

[Troglodyte]

let me just break it down for you...

your raid leaders and others were caught cheating (perun, acarer, mezeno, etc.)

You've since re-admitted those people back into the guild. So therefore you have no shame when it comes to this.

Many players left TR from the fallout and reputation hit. That's why your numbers have dropped drastically since then. You've tried recruiting players, but since it isn't working too well because your past history of training, re-admitting cheating players, you have:

A. resorted to posting banked loot acquired in the past to sway potential (selfish) apps and to divert attention away from your rep
B. sweet-talked VD leadership into increasing your numbers because of your fear of TMO.

Just stating the obvious :\

[JenJen]

dont forget DA sweet talked VD into helping them out also back in the day, pre- TMO merger

just sayin'

[JenJen]

p.s why so anon? this is a forum for a video game where you interact with people you will never meet dipshit

[Autotune]

dont forget DA sweet talked VD into helping them out also back in the day, pre- TMO merger

just sayin'

not quite the same, but okay.

[Moonface]

not quite the same, but okay.

Stop posting, you suck everytime.

[Troglodyte]

didn't mean to be anon jen hehe, accidently posted on my R99 account name :o

[Fraggle]

not quite the same, but okay.

Yeah because it didn't happen shortly after DA's spawn timer cheating/hacking showeq scandal/bannings/multiple raid suspensions where shitloads of DA players quit and the guild's reputation went terrible to worse right? Totally different, right? I see.

Thanks for your input spastic TMO guy.

[Fists]

As a DA member during that time... it was exactly the same if not worse Auto. We were joined with VD in sky, fear, and hate. As well as us joining with TMO for 4-5 weeks PRIOR to the merger.

[JenJen]

quite possibly the most retarded thing autotune has ever said, ever.

[Loke]

I disagree. I personally don't think cheating really affected them, and really, how cheating is viewed on this server is different than it was before imo. The mass suspension really brought into light what a lot of people already knew but didn't talk about. Anyone who pretended to be surprised by all the cheating is full of shit - everyone always knew, but pretended they didn't. Not just in one guild or another, but really any guild that has held a #1 or #2 spot (IB, DA, TR, Transcendence, and TMO are only 6 I can think of) - so don't take this as me trashing one side or another. The difference was that before it was always 1 or 2 people at a time, so the rest just naturally admonish the banned individuals and went on with business as usual. But people would have to have been naive as shit to think cheating wasn't as wide spread as the suspension show us it was.

That being said, I think everyone has bit of a guilty conscious, even if they don't really know it (subconscious guilt!) about the whole thing. Because of that guilt, I feel that the atmosphere of the server is a bit more forgiving of it. I mean, these weren't just random people that got cheating - this is a really social game and people form fairly close friendships. A big part of those kind of relationships is forgiving people. I know that sounds lame as shit - but even on the guide application this kind of stuff is acknowledge. There is a question on there about if you caught a friend hacking - I mean, anyone who isn't a bag of dicks as a friend wouldn't sincerely turn their friend in. They'd be like "hey cock, stop cheating or you're going to get banned. Never again." problem solved.

So yea, with the revelation that cheating was wide spread, even among your own ranks and people you consider friends - I don't get them impression anyone sincerely holds the same intense grudges over it that they did before.

TR's dwindling numbers is from the same thing it always is. They've sufficiently beaten the available content, and only the most dedicated are still around. 99% of that guild is keyed, and they probably have alts keyed. Most full members are best-in-slot for 90% of their items, and the remaining items are either ultra-rare or really minor upgrades. They have no real reason to log on other than cock blocking the competition from keys and filling up the guild bank. I mean, 1/2 the ones that log on now probably only log on because they're sick of the competition bragging about getting mobs. Once VP is released, just like with Sky, and just like with Kunark, their members will return and recruitment will spike. Always has, always will.

[Moonface]

I disagree. I personally don't think cheating really affected them, and really, how cheating is viewed on this server is different than it was before imo. The mass suspension really brought into light what a lot of people already knew but didn't talk about. Anyone who pretended to be surprised by all the cheating is full of shit - everyone always knew, but pretended they didn't. Not just in one guild or another, but really any guild that has held a #1 or #2 spot (IB, DA, TR, Transcendence, and TMO are only 6 I can think of) - so don't take this as me trashing one side or another. The difference was that before it was always 1 or 2 people at a time, so the rest just naturally admonish the banned individuals and went on with business as usual. But people would have to have been naive as shit to think cheating wasn't as wide spread as the suspension show us it was.

That being said, I think everyone has bit of a guilty conscious, even if they don't really know it (subconscious guilt!) about the whole thing. Because of that guilt, I feel that the atmosphere of the server is a bit more forgiving of it. I mean, these weren't just random people that got cheating - this is a really social game and people form fairly close friendships. A big part of those kind of relationships is forgiving people. I know that sounds lame as shit - but even on the guide application this kind of stuff is acknowledge. There is a question on there about if you caught a friend hacking - I mean, anyone who isn't a bag of dicks as a friend wouldn't sincerely turn their friend in. They'd be like "hey cock, stop cheating or you're going to get banned. Never again." problem solved.

So yea, with the revelation that cheating was wide spread, even among your own ranks and people you consider friends - I don't get them impression anyone sincerely holds the same intense grudges over it that they did before.

TR's dwindling numbers is from the same thing it always is. They've sufficiently beaten the available content, and only the most dedicated are still around. 99% of that guild is keyed, and they probably have alts keyed. Most full members are best-in-slot for 90% of their items, and the remaining items are either ultra-rare or really minor upgrades. They have no real reason to log on other than cock blocking the competition from keys and filling up the guild bank. I mean, 1/2 the ones that log on now probably only log on because they're sick of the competition bragging about getting mobs. Once VP is released, just like with Sky, and just like with Kunark, their members will return and recruitment will spike. Always has, always will.

Cool novel Loke, you cheating nub.

[JenJen]

you say always has, always will, but this time round won't TMO catch up and be on an even footing with regards VP keys/best in slot gear and with higher numbers?

[Seaweedpimp]

really? you tried to be stealin camps, GM came, you babbled him into a roll, you rolled and lost, i left, the person needing the key piece got it shortly after ... also we came like 3 minutes appart from each others, if you felt that it was "at the same time" your drugs must be awesome to reduce your reaction time to 180 seconds ... keep it going


No, You fuckers ran up basicly stepping on eachother like when you zone into a zone with may people still at the zoneline, sebilis for example , people waill litterally stand on top of eachother when they zone in at that location. This is fine, but you assholes were moving like 4 deep.

Then the guide came in said oh ill check some logs, he couldnt figure out dogshit from the logs, and then he said well just roll. Gwence had no prob with this because hes a stupid fucking cunt that didnt have rights to the camp anyway. And thats why the gm decision was overruled, because you fucking idiots broke and tried to bend the rules.

Suck my cock uullaen you fat ugly son of a whore.

[Seaweedpimp]

I disagree. I personally don't think cheating really affected them, and really, how cheating is viewed on this server is different than it was before imo. The mass suspension really brought into light what a lot of people already knew but didn't talk about. Anyone who pretended to be surprised by all the cheating is full of shit - everyone always knew, but pretended they didn't. Not just in one guild or another, but really any guild that has held a #1 or #2 spot (IB, DA, TR, Transcendence, and TMO are only 6 I can think of) - so don't take this as me trashing one side or another. The difference was that before it was always 1 or 2 people at a time, so the rest just naturally admonish the banned individuals and went on with business as usual. But people would have to have been naive as shit to think cheating wasn't as wide spread as the suspension show us it was.

That being said, I think everyone has bit of a guilty conscious, even if they don't really know it (subconscious guilt!) about the whole thing. Because of that guilt, I feel that the atmosphere of the server is a bit more forgiving of it. I mean, these weren't just random people that got cheating - this is a really social game and people form fairly close friendships. A big part of those kind of relationships is forgiving people. I know that sounds lame as shit - but even on the guide application this kind of stuff is acknowledge. There is a question on there about if you caught a friend hacking - I mean, anyone who isn't a bag of dicks as a friend wouldn't sincerely turn their friend in. They'd be like "hey cock, stop cheating or you're going to get banned. Never again." problem solved.

So yea, with the revelation that cheating was wide spread, even among your own ranks and people you consider friends - I don't get them impression anyone sincerely holds the same intense grudges over it that they did before.

TR's dwindling numbers is from the same thing it always is. They've sufficiently beaten the available content, and only the most dedicated are still around. 99% of that guild is keyed, and they probably have alts keyed. Most full members are best-in-slot for 90% of their items, and the remaining items are either ultra-rare or really minor upgrades. They have no real reason to log on other than cock blocking the competition from keys and filling up the guild bank. I mean, 1/2 the ones that log on now probably only log on because they're sick of the competition bragging about getting mobs. Once VP is released, just like with Sky, and just like with Kunark, their members will return and recruitment will spike. Always has, always will.





Thx for the wall of text you cheating scum fuck.

[Loke]

Cool novel Loke, you cheating nub.

Just sharing my gift with the world. I'm glad you liked it!

Thinking of changing my pen name to S.M. Loke. I feel it gives me that authory pretentiousness, and S & M as initials because they're both one higher than R & L respectively in the alphabet, so like, it would be kind of like a backhanded acknowledgment/compliment to R.L. Stine. You know, like imitation is the best compliment, but you're only doing it to literally one up the guy?

Unless you were being sarcastic about my novel being cool, in which case never mind.

[Uaellaen]

No, You fuckers ran up basicly stepping on eachother like when you zone into a zone with may people still at the zoneline, sebilis for example , people waill litterally stand on top of eachother when they zone in at that location. This is fine, but you assholes were moving like 4 deep.

Then the guide came in said oh ill check some logs, he couldnt figure out dogshit from the logs, and then he said well just roll. Gwence had no prob with this because hes a stupid fucking cunt that didnt have rights to the camp anyway. And thats why the gm decision was overruled, because you fucking idiots broke and tried to bend the rules.

Suck my cock uullaen you fat ugly son of a whore.

you mad? btw how you know my mother is a whore? did you fuck her already? if so, better check for STDs ...

[Autotune]

Stop posting, you suck everytime. Dear random retard,

No fucking clue who you are, so stfu.

Sincerely,
Me

Yeah because it didn't happen shortly after DA's spawn timer cheating/hacking showeq scandal/bannings/multiple raid suspensions where shitloads of DA players quit and the guild's reputation went terrible to worse right? Totally different, right? I see.

Thanks for your input spastic TMO guy.

Yeah, it really isn't the same, but you can believe what you want.

I actually remember DA/VD as more of a joint program as opposed to the "relationship" TR/VD has.

Sure DA was struggling, but not as bad as TR is/was.

As a DA member during that time... it was exactly the same if not worse Auto. We were joined with VD in sky, fear, and hate. As well as us joining with TMO for 4-5 weeks PRIOR to the merger.

I was on the outside and it never looked as bad as the current TR/VD situation. Hell they seemed to actually both benefit each other without actually using eachother as bad as the current "wtf ever it is"

quite possibly the most retarded thing autotune has ever said, ever.

I don't think so. Even still it holds true from my standpoint. DA was never looking as bad as TR looks now imo.

(granted I wasn't around for the DA split into whatever they all split into)


Most people just speculated what DA was doing, based off their raid suspensions (things TR could and should have easily beeen raid suspended on). Except for one thing, TR was caught red handed. Some how, Perun (yes been talked about a great deal) not only admitted to using the program, but even lied about how/when he used it and was allowed to play still (even tho, it was clearly stated that lying, instead of confessing would result in a permanent ban).

After all that, and most DA people making it threw the suspension/bannings via .dll whatever, I have no idea how people can say that the VD/DA and VD/TR are exactly the same. Imo, it's definitely a new low.

[Seaweedpimp]

Point is you guys are dumb, stole my camp, convinced a GM by telling him lies, and then under a better review i got the camp switched back to my guild.

Thx for the wasted hour of my life. But i guess im still doing better off than you are. ;)

[Uaellaen]

Point is you guys are dumb, stole my camp, convinced a GM by telling him lies, and then under a better review i got the camp switched back to my guild.

Thx for the wasted hour of my life. But i guess im still doing better off than you are. ;)

funny, a retard calling me dumb :p i would have to remove 7/8 of my brain to get to your level!

and as for the camp switching back and forth, no clue when or why you got it back, im done with my VP keys since months ...

and you are welcome, but you seem to do fine wasting your life without me beeing present thou

[Seaweedpimp]

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I bet this is how you speak english isnt it?

[Uaellaen]

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I bet this is how you speak english isnt it?

not really, but even if i did ... lol @ you trying to come at me for speaking a foreign language ... already out of insults?

[Seaweedpimp]

I dont need to insult you.



I shouldnt of done that. Im sorry.

[Seaweedpimp]

German people just have a funny accent to me.

Esp when they sound mad.

[visage]

german people lol

[Uaellaen]

german people lol

virgins lol

[visage]

virgins lol

I've seen what you look like in your pictures. Your ugly bro~

[karsten]

pycoba i would rather be a whole lot of things before i'd like to be you brew

[Uaellaen]

I've seen what you look like in your pictures. Your ugly bro~

at least i dont need makeup

[xshayla701]

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lnlonazWvH1qlue6co1_100.gif

[karsten]

DA was never looking as bad as TR looks now imo.

It would be categorically impossible for this to be true and this also to be true:

http://www.rampageguild.com/news/2011_09_27/guildbank_large.jpg

The sheer amount of loot that we have sitting banked (read: banked loot is generally stuff nobody put in for because they already have what they want, with a few exceptions like rez sticks and dragon scales) means months and months of clean sweeping dragons.

so i mean, get working on your cognitive dissonance in order to make both of those work in your mind.

[Enygma]

ya but karsten... your guild's raid leader was caught cheating.

Who the fuck cares whats in your bank... you didn't earn it.

Sworen

[karsten]

sworen were you in DA or TMO before the absorption? (honest question)

[Shiftin]

you say always has, always will, but this time round won't TMO catch up and be on an even footing with regards VP keys/best in slot gear and with higher numbers?

It depends how you gauge it.

There's currently still a pretty big gap* between TR and TMO in both gross loot and per capita loot. Because the loot TMO does get is spread thin amongst so many more people, it takes much longer to raise the gear level of an average member. Every raiding guild has churn here. If you assume the same rate of churn for each guild, TMO has to work harder to keep its gear level up if it plans to sustain the numbers it currently raids with.

*Friday when TMO was poopsocking VS, i went around and inspected a bunch of the melee. Many were missing upgrades as simple at fear/hate armor, a huge chunk are still without dragon haste or best in slot weapons, and a ton were still sub 60, something that plays a huge role in resist checks. At trak i've seen blue TMO rogues engage with 1 or 2 pieces of resist gear and die almost instantly. I say this not to toot my own horn (they're just pixels), but objectively it takes a lot of time to get from that point to where my gear is sitting.

On a long enough timeline, especially if P99 keeps getting ignored for R99, TMO will very possibly kill trakanon as many times as we have. It gets harder every week to motivate people to log on to kill the same mobs while VP is now 6 months late. I've had a VP key in my bag since the beginning of may. We laid out strategies for gearing and leveling up, raced to 60, loaded up on resist gear and keyed an entire raid force, prioritizing by class and playtime for VP. And that was 4 months ago. Now we've been waiting a few days short of a month for Nilbog and Rogean to respond to PMs after he told us he wanted to talk about opening VP. It's not like they haven't been around - they are intentionally ignoring us.

TMOs forum troll army can make up whatever tin foil hattery they want. The fact is that this is a game. People do other things with their time after they feel like they've "beaten" a game. It shouldn't be a stretch to understand that some people feel that way after getting best in slot everything, their VP key, and killing 90+% of the raid targets for the first 4+ months of Kunark.

Like loke said, when and if VP is ever released, people will show up out of the woodwork; same with epics. Knowing that your competition's strategy to kill the stuff you've been killing for 6 months is to have so many people they can sit 58 of them in VS' room on a Friday night doesn't really encourange people to log on either. Again, I have a hard time blaming them. It's not how we choose to raid, but if they're having fun and feel like they're winning, then more power to them. It's a game and having fun is the whole point. Everquest is great in that people can enjoy it for lots of different reasons.

We're a month into the 4th "reason" of decreasing legitimacy that VP isn't open. On a long enough timeline, if VP doesn't open, it's very likely TMO catches TR in gross loot received, and maybe even on a per person basis. Every week we diverge further from the classic timeline though, the ability to guess where the server will be in X weeks becomes harder to do as you move farther away from what the classic experience should be.

[Alarti0001]

It would be categorically impossible for this to be true and this also to be true:

http://www.rampageguild.com/news/2011_09_27/guildbank_large.jpg

The sheer amount of loot that we have sitting banked (read: banked loot is generally stuff nobody put in for because they already have what they want, with a few exceptions like rez sticks and dragon scales) means months and months of clean sweeping dragons.

so i mean, get working on your cognitive dissonance in order to make both of those work in your mind.

The only thing you have on us is.... green scales. LOL

[karsten]

if you have a bagful of dragon haste items in the bank and a bunch of members with fbsses that's just mean bro

[TMFail]

The only thing you have on us is.... green scales. LOL

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE

[Ele]

if you have a bagful of dragon haste items in the bank and a bunch of members with fbsses that's just mean bro

Ever think that those just might be alts or applicants?

[JenJen]

so much anger in this thread

[Diggles]

shut up jenjen

[JenJen]

SORRY OKAY? I'm so sorry i'm never enough for you diggles. ill pack my things

[Shiftin]

Are you still hoping people think you're diggle? Is this just an alter ego? Why not go back to posting on evilmallet?

[Diggles]

I have uthgaard on my friends and ITS MY TWITTER NAME DAMN IT

[Uaellaen]

Ever think that those just might be alts or applicants?

your guild is made up of 10ish core members and 130 applicants? :eek:

[Ele]

your guild is made up of 10ish core members and 130 applicants? :eek:

Keep trying.

[Diggles]

60 TMO Alts can beat 40 TR core.

[Alarti0001]

your guild is made up of 10ish core members and 130 applicants? :eek:
Our core members have 46% haste. Keep your dragon haste

[getsome]

stick to playing a wizard,

46% haste :D

[Uaellaen]

46%? where do you get the extra 5% from?

[Gwence]

TMO's accomplishments mean nothing because none of them are black irl.

[Knuckle]

Let's be men about this and listen to this soundtrack, and then tell me how you REALLY feel about eachother:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6XqLGcQg-U

[Alarti0001]

stick to playing a wizard,

46% haste :D

You found me out. I'm a wizard... i meant 41% haste ! Still doesn't invalidate the point that sky haste > dragon haste

[Knuckle]

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[Gwence]

However, it does solidfy the already mostly solid idea that you are a fucking idiot.

[Gwence]

damn that guy snuck in a post I was talking about the george clooney loverboy

[Uaellaen]

You found me out. I'm a wizard... i meant 41% haste ! Still doesn't invalidate the point that sky haste > dragon haste

i disagree ... 100% is the haste cap ... do you have no enchanters that buff you?

Lvl 53 Aanya's Quickening Increase target ATK speed (64%)

you need 36% item haste to be maxed ... you should work on your EQ knowledge if you claim to know everything ;)

[Gwence]

hey go easy on him, that guy has to target mobs and move his mouse cursor over a spell gem and click it 1 or 2 times per fight

ID LIKE TO SEE YOU DO THAT

good thing he has 46% wizard haste

[Alarti0001]

All your melee have enchanter haste on at all times? fucking amazing.!
Not to mention the superior stats on most of them.

come back when you aren't being retarded i know for Uaellaen(banned) and gwence (back from training suspension) this is a difficult

[Alarti0001]

All your melee have enchanter haste on at all times? fucking amazing.!
Not to mention the superior stats on most of them.

come back when you aren't being retarded i know for Uaellaen(banned) and gwence (back from training suspension) this is a difficult

Also you should have perun/trax(back from cheating suspension) and Eashan(banned) comment more in this thread. It's nice when 80%+ of the TR members who talk in here are the ones who are banned/suspended

[Gwence]

I got suspended back in january bro is that what you're talking about? lol

[Alarti0001]

sorry you were on hiatus for so long...

[relapsee69]

All your melee have enchanter haste on at all times? fucking amazing.!


so dumb

[Gwence]

sorry you were on hiatus for so long...

and when I did get suspended it had nothing at all to do with you or TMO, you gotta try harder imo

my hiatus was explained in Loke's posting I can only kill EQ mobs so many times before I get pretty bored and it seems 500 or so is my limit. The only reason I bother checking this retarded website at all is because I'm at work and don't have anything to do and sometimes it's entertaining.

[Alarti0001]

and when I did get suspended it had nothing at all to do with you or TMO, you gotta try harder imo

my hiatus was explained in Loke's posting I can only kill EQ mobs so many times before I get pretty bored and it seems 500 or so is my limit. The only reason I bother checking this retarded website at all is because I'm at work and don't have anything to do and sometimes it's entertaining.

Oh so its ok to train other guilds? lol I don't need to try your asshattery makes it easy.

Plus don't lie I remember your old rage posts pre-kunark.

[Uaellaen]

All your melee have enchanter haste on at all times? fucking amazing.!
Not to mention the superior stats on most of them.

come back when you aren't being retarded i know for Uaellaen(banned) and gwence (back from training suspension) this is a difficult

yes, all our melees have enchanter haste all the time on raids ... our enchanters know their jobs on a raid, yours appearently dont? or you dont have enought to buff your 50 melees?

[Diggles]

All that and yet TR still loses 80% of Trak kills to TMO.

[Silentone]

All that and yet TR still loses 80% of Trak kills to TMO.

You obviously dont know much QF, its probably becasue you took a break. TR doesnt kill Kunark mobs anymore they just log in to Cheer us on. geez get with the times

[VorsikTZ]

Visions of Grandeur
Increase Attack Speed by 58%
Increase AGI by 40
Increase DEX by 25
Increase ATK by 20

I'm not overly crazy about mechanics and the number crunching, but I have a feeling 99% haste and +20atk is better than 100% haste. 25 dex doesn't hurt either for those with procing weps.

[Knuckle]

I think we need to focus.
On the necessities.
the BARE NECESSITIES
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[Gwence]

Oh so its ok to train other guilds? lol I don't need to try your asshattery makes it easy.

Plus don't lie I remember your old rage posts pre-kunark.

Not sure why your question has a plural in it, it was 1 guild and it went both ways, the answer to the question is opinionated and highly situational. The point is you are crying about it yet weren't involved. You want attention I know.

[Uaellaen]

Visions of Grandeur
Increase Attack Speed by 58%
Increase AGI by 40
Increase DEX by 25
Increase ATK by 20

I'm not overly crazy about mechanics and the number crunching, but I have a feeling 99% haste and +20atk is better than 100% haste. 25 dex doesn't hurt either for those with procing weps.

VoG is not viable at the moment, huge mana cost and small duration ... again, learn your facts before you try to diss us with "game facts" ...

VoG will be the way to go as soon as its lasting longer then a few minutes

[Autotune]

It would be categorically impossible for this to be true and this also to be true:

http://www.rampageguild.com/news/2011_09_27/guildbank_large.jpg

The sheer amount of loot that we have sitting banked (read: banked loot is generally stuff nobody put in for because they already have what they want, with a few exceptions like rez sticks and dragon scales) means months and months of clean sweeping dragons.

so i mean, get working on your cognitive dissonance in order to make both of those work in your mind.

I'm missing your logic(? lack of a better word).

Because your have banked loot, TR looks better than DA when they had a joint operation with VD?

I don't remember DA using VD to cock block another guild and paying them in loot they banked when they had free run over raid targets. Hmm... Let me go back and check.

I guess from a banked loot that is used to persuade people to app/join forces stand point, TR looks better than DA did. From a general you help us succeed in killing targets and we'll help you, DA looked better than TR does currently.

The only reason you guys are using VD is to try and slow TMO down. Then again, maybe it's just from where I am standing.

From VD's standpoint it's another + either way and is probably similar. Looking from the other side of the team then/now, it's pretty different situation.

[Knuckle]

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[Tommy_Wiseau]

if u wanna stay in my hood u gonna need to choke on 3 bananas lil *****

[VorsikTZ]

VoG is not viable at the moment, huge mana cost and small duration ... again, learn your facts before you try to diss us with "game facts" ...

VoG will be the way to go as soon as its lasting longer then a few minutes

You do realize both AQ and VoG have the same mana cost right? And although incorrect, VoG Still has a duration of 13min. Sorry but any hastes going out within 12min of engage should be VoG(atleast for those that have 41% haste item).

[Zeelot]

I much prefer captain nalot's quickening.

[Rais]

Bisch is always for hire to kill anything. Give Bisch the target and she will lay down the highest burst dps allowed, and demand payment.

[Shiftin]

Wow, you REALLY love making stuff up.

I'm missing your logic(? lack of a better word).

Because your have banked loot, TR looks better than DA when they had a joint operation with VD?

I don't remember DA using VD to cock block another guild and paying them in loot they banked when they had free run over raid targets. Hmm... Let me go back and check.

How are you going to check something you don't know about and weren't involved in? DA joined up with VD to farm the upper islands in sky that were not (and still aren't) tuned properly. They brought every mage possible from both guilds to pet down eye. That was basically the extent of their cooperation.

They also didn't pay them in banked dragon haste because DA didn't have banked dragon haste while they were raiding with VD (we are also not handing out things from our bank so people will like us if that was your implication). At DA's peak they were raiding the 4 Classic targets with (at their peak) 100 people and still losing some mobs, and it lasted for about 2 months. A huge chunk of their guild was massively undergeared. They were far from banking dragon haste.

Their core members ended up extremely well geared while those they added as cannon fodder got pissed and the guild collapsed when it reached a critical mass combined with their raid suspension. Stratifying members is a horrible idea and I can't believe TMO is now openly doing the same thing.


I guess from a banked loot that is used to persuade people to app/join forces stand point, TR looks better than DA did. From a general you help us succeed in killing targets and we'll help you, DA looked better than TR does currently.

The only reason you guys are using VD is to try and slow TMO down. Then again, maybe it's just from where I am standing.


I wrote 2 pages on this like 4 hours ago. Here it is. http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=424780&postcount=120 Loke explained it as well. We're raiding some targets with VD because our numbers are low for both predictable and obvious reasons and because VD are great folks to raid with.

In a closed system, consuming resources (loot) requires depriving others of those resources. If you want to assign the most nefarious motives (trying to slow you down out of spite) to your enemy because that makes your trolling MO more reasonable, then go for it. The truth is that you do what you must to keep a guild going. TR loves raiding. If you love to raid and are short people, you either recruit everyone you can /guildinvite or find some good folks to raid with you for a while while respecting their culture independently of yours. We went the way that allows us to preserve our own culture.

When trak breastplates, mana robes, cloaks of piety and poisoned mantles have no value and we no longer have any unkeyed apps, members, coth bots and CR pots for VP, you can accuse us of "just trying to slow TMO down" and I'll be the first to not only agree with you, but not camp out at the lair. Until then, take it easy on the crazy pills. You're not doing your guild any favors.

Cheers

[Jjlent]

these threads bring me joy to see the rage from both sides, its a game bros

[Diggles]

You obviously dont know much QF, its probably becasue you took a break. TR doesnt kill Kunark mobs anymore they just log in to Cheer us on. geez get with the times

Originally Posted by Diggles

I admire the comparison to my brother Iggles.

[Zeelot]

Nothing more satisfying than Shiftin and others raging on other forums like fohguild. Down with TMO! Ban Zeelot! Thanks for the rspect guys... I find the same sort of commentary when I play CS and do too well. Hacks!

[Popt]

yes, all our melees have enchanter haste all the time on raids ... our enchanters know their jobs on a raid, yours appearently dont? or you dont have enought to buff your 50 melees?

i'm a professional haster

[Diggles]

Hey, TR, can I get a signing bonus for sharing a name with Conquistador? also been known to fondle Ektar in tells too.

[Alarti0001]

yes, all our melees have enchanter haste all the time on raids ... our enchanters know their jobs on a raid, yours appearently dont? or you dont have enought to buff your 50 melees?

Your enchanters? Aren't you banned?

Our melee's dont have time to get haste... the mobs are dead by the time your enchanters are finished buffing

[Alarti0001]

Nothing more satisfying than Shiftin and others raging on other forums like fohguild. Down with TMO! Ban Zeelot! Thanks for the rspect guys... I find the same sort of commentary when I play CS and do too well. Hacks!

OMG yes its so funny to see them spin shit and cry on fohguild forums.

[Diggles]

YOU DON'T KNOW IF HE'S BANNED OR NOT.

just giving you his response early. I can see the future.

I blame haste for that

[Alarti0001]

Wow, you REALLY love making stuff up.



How are you going to check something you don't know about and weren't involved in? DA joined up with VD to farm the upper islands in sky that were not (and still aren't) tuned properly. They brought every mage possible from both guilds to pet down eye. That was basically the extent of their cooperation.

They also didn't pay them in banked dragon haste because DA didn't have banked dragon haste while they were raiding with VD (we are also not handing out things from our bank so people will like us if that was your implication). At DA's peak they were raiding the 4 Classic targets with (at their peak) 100 people and still losing some mobs, and it lasted for about 2 months. A huge chunk of their guild was massively undergeared. They were far from banking dragon haste.

Their core members ended up extremely well geared while those they added as cannon fodder got pissed and the guild collapsed when it reached a critical mass combined with their raid suspension. Stratifying members is a horrible idea and I can't believe TMO is now openly doing the same thing.



I wrote 2 pages on this like 4 hours ago. Here it is. http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=424780&postcount=120 Loke explained it as well. We're raiding some targets with VD because our numbers are low for both predictable and obvious reasons and because VD are great folks to raid with.

In a closed system, consuming resources (loot) requires depriving others of those resources. If you want to assign the most nefarious motives (trying to slow you down out of spite) to your enemy because that makes your trolling MO more reasonable, then go for it. The truth is that you do what you must to keep a guild going. TR loves raiding. If you love to raid and are short people, you either recruit everyone you can /guildinvite or find some good folks to raid with you for a while while respecting their culture independently of yours. We went the way that allows us to preserve our own culture.

When trak breastplates, mana robes, cloaks of piety and poisoned mantles have no value and we no longer have any unkeyed apps, members, coth bots and CR pots for VP, you can accuse us of "just trying to slow TMO down" and I'll be the first to not only agree with you, but not camp out at the lair. Until then, take it easy on the crazy pills. You're not doing your guild any favors.

Cheers

Shiftin Paststatements

[JenJen]

the 100 man fear raids were pretty funny to be fair

[Samuel]

Haven't read the thread.

But lol at this...

At DA's peak they were raiding the 4 Classic targets with (at their peak) 100 people and still losing some mobs, and it lasted for about 2 months. A huge chunk of their guild was massively undergeared. They were far from banking dragon haste.

Their core members ended up extremely well geared while those they added as cannon fodder got pissed and the guild collapsed when it reached a critical mass combined with their raid suspension. Stratifying members is a horrible idea and I can't believe TMO is now openly doing the same thing.

So wrong.

[Maze513]

http://www.surfsideelectronics.com/images/25411.gif

Troll like Boss

[Daldaen]

Gotta say, these people are pretty good. Prompting moderate sized essays from guild leadership in a flame forum...

Who gives a fuck? Ignore them and go along doing your raid thing.

[Shiftin]

I am not an officer or raid leader of TR, just a guy who likes using lots of words and making spreadsheets. My posts and thoughts are just my musings, not the official word of TR. My initial response to jen jen was in response to a legitimate question that hits at a lot of deep issues with the server.

Cheers :)

[Diggles]

I showed my dad this thread and he said he'd rather go back to live than see this drama. Good stuff.

[Francois]

Was this the friends gif thread?

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lntfrbTo8f1qawy6vo1_500.gif

[Rais]

Oh yea

[Eccezan]

fuck this

[G13]

They also didn't pay them in banked dragon haste because DA didn't have banked dragon haste while they were raiding with VD (we are also not handing out things from our bank so people will like us if that was your implication). At DA's peak they were raiding the 4 Classic targets with (at their peak) 100 people and still losing some mobs, and it lasted for about 2 months. A huge chunk of their guild was massively undergeared. They were far from banking dragon haste.

Their core members ended up extremely well geared while those they added as cannon fodder got pissed and the guild collapsed when it reached a critical mass combined with their raid suspension. Stratifying members is a horrible idea and I can't believe TMO is now openly doing the same thing.

^^^^ laughable revisionist history

You were a nobody at DA's peak. You're totally making shit up.

http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/images/07-minister.jpg

[mropey]

Good/fun reading.. page 1-19. Almost off work now thanks all.

[Shiftin]

^^^^ laughable revisionist history

You were a nobody at DA's peak. You're totally making shit up.



I tell you what, you're right, i was a nobody. I'm still a nobody. But i've been in IB/TR for about a year now and i've read every application we've received since I joined. Some of IB/TR's best members, both in terms of skill and dedication, have come from the guild DA was it its "peak". I've read version after version of the history presented above over and over again in those apps. So either there's a massive conspiracy to misinform us by people who have become dedicated members of IB/TR, or the few remaining DA from those days really don't want to own up to their past.

There's a reason the door between our guilds only swings one way.

Anyway, I've said my peace. If we all focused the collective effort shown in these threads on getting VP opened, we'd all be in much better shape. Let's give that a try instead, eh?

Cheers.

[Shiftin]

gah, "piece" not "peace". sleepy shiftin is sleepy.

[Jjlent]

If we all focused the collective effort shown in these threads on getting VP opened, we'd all be in much better shape. Let's give that a try instead, eh?

Cheers.

first smart n unrage comment in this whole thread, can we be e-friends? :)

[relapsee69]

JJ Wtb some firework

[Jjlent]

dude what a coincidence! i wtb some fireworks too lawl

[Jjlent]

1 of the reasons y u'll always be my boo relapsee, another reason is ur southern drawl

[relapsee69]

<3 only about 5 cool people in tmo out of 190 you are 1 of them

[Autotune]

<3 only about 5 cool people in tmo out of 190 you are 1 of them

:(

[Jjlent]

woot i feel so special

[Zereh]

I <3 Stealin Dragons

[Autotune]

I <3 Stealin Dragons

I <3 Zereh Dragons


oh wait...

[Jjlent]

I <3 Zereh too, she's definately 1 of the 5, amirite?

[relapsee69]

of course

[Jjlent]

how r u zereh? havent seen u in a whiiile

[Alarti0001]

<3 only about 5 cool people in tmo out of 190 you are 1 of them

<3 only 2 cool people in TR out of 220 and you aren't one of them..




See what I did there

[Diggles]

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[relapsee69]

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[relapsee69]

<3 only 2 cool people in TR out of 220 and you aren't one of them..




See what I did there

HIGH FIVE

[Autotune]

HIGH FIVE

[Jjlent]

HIGH FIVE

<3

[G13]

I tell you what, you're right, i was a nobody. I'm still a nobody. But i've been in IB/TR for about a year now and i've read every application we've received since I joined. Some of IB/TR's best members, both in terms of skill and dedication, have come from the guild DA was it its "peak". I've read version after version of the history presented above over and over again in those apps. So either there's a massive conspiracy to misinform us by people who have become dedicated members of IB/TR, or the few remaining DA from those days really don't want to own up to their past.

There's a reason the door between our guilds only swings one way.

Anyway, I've said my peace. If we all focused the collective effort shown in these threads on getting VP opened, we'd all be in much better shape. Let's give that a try instead, eh?

Cheers.

The former DA players that are in IB are not the best players that were in that guild. Not even close. Some of them are skilled players to be sure, but they weren't anything particularly impressive when they were in DA. Every single one of them called all their homeys in IB dickheads on a daily basis in /gu and over vent when they were in DA. Now they are chummy with them because they want loot. Stop pretending like they are noble or something. They aren't.

Trying to claim that these DA that joined TR made DA the success that it was is at it's peak is like saying Shiftin and Uuaellaen are what made IB the success that it was at it's peak.

Everybody's hands are a little dirty on this server. Even the devs. Why one guild still pretends to be "clean" after their officers were caught cheating is an interesting phenomenon, but I digress.

Loke was undermining his own guild and selling it out as an officer in DA while supposedly pulling in Fear during a competitive raid. Are you telling me he's the same caliber of player as Sochin or Emil? You know he's not even close.

What does Heebee do? He's a paladin (heh) who used to tell me how much of a cunt he thought XZerion/IB leadership was in private tells. Now they are probably best buddies.

Loaki backstabs shit. Well that's impressive. This is the same Loaki who saw all the shady shit being done to DA when he was raiding in that guild. For instance Uuaelaen pretending to be a GM and banning DA leadership over some garbage because he was in the tank for IB. He would constantly complain about it and was one the most vocal anti IB members of DA. He would scream in the mic if we made any concessions that favored IB. Durison even went to his wedding apparently. Now he's sporting the TR tag.

Who are you? You're just some scrub who apped to DA and when the opportunity to join IB presented itself, you took it. You never organized a guild. You've never led a raid or instituted tactics and strategy against a rival guild. I'm sure you logged in and hit your BS key though, which now makes you believe that you're equally caliber the player who actually created IB or were a part of it's highly skilled and successful core that hasn't played in a looooong time. Do you think players like Uuaelaen made IB successful? You've just piggy backed off of other players to gear your toon. You've never done shit.

How all these other former "noble and respectable" DA are raiding with the guy who was fucking them in the ass when they were in DA now just shows that everyone sells out for loot. At one time, as far fetched as it sounds, Durison and Gwence were going to create a guild together to compete against IB. Gwence joined IB instead because he sold out for loot. He didn't want to compete against them. He didn't want to try and lead a guild that could beat them. Every one of these former DA that now sport the TR tag did the same thing because they wanted the loot. We used to call these people "loot whores" back in the real classic. Generally they were despised by the general server population when reputation actually mattered. For some odd reason they are now embraced on P99 and reputation doesn't mean shit as long as you are batphoning and zerging to victory.

These people now defend the guild they hated and despised for over a year. But we're talking about ego and loot here, so that kind of shit can be ignored apparently. Well if that's going to be the case do us all a favor. Don't come to these forums and pretend like these former DA members have integrity or something. It's doesn't pass the laugh test.

Loot fuels the insanity of this server. Look at the screenshots measuring dicks with all the loot in the banks. Someone has a few more dragon scales in the bank or something. Or some guy has a COF in his bank when the other guild doesn't or something. It's not even about the kills anymore. True skill is now measured by how much loot you have rotting away in your guild vault. Fuck it, why even hand out loot if that is the measuring stick for bragging rights? Just farm loot to stick in your guild bank, so you can take SS's and say "Hey aren't you jelly at how many haste items I have in my guild bank bro?"

As far as I'm concerned, this server has completely jumped the shark when it comes to raiding and competition. It's just silly now. When you're dumb ass is waking up at 4AM on a work night to groggily log in for 30 seconds to zerg down a mob, you got problems. I used to think WOW was easy. Wow isn't easy. Instanced raiding isn't easy necessarily. It's just convenient. Waking up at 4 Am to "raid" which consists of logging in groggily to mash your keyboard and bum rush a mob to wack a mole it death isn't skill, it's fucking stupid.

This is a totally different game than classic EQ anyways. The mechanics aren't 100% classic at all. They are all borked. The raid game has evolved and adapted to the current EMU mechanics, but for whatever reason people are still comparing it the classic raid experience. Upon release sky was broken for months and months. Didn't matter. The guilds were measuring dicks anyways over loot.

This is why instanced content was created. To save servers from becoming what P99 has become. This drama fest where guilds are too childish to admit they are equally skilled and equally matched. They don't engage in friendly competition in any way or work out some schedule which allows their members to actually "enjoy" the game and raid a mob without being glued at your keyboard and spastically hammering down a dragon while some dickhead in the rival guild is trying to train you while using his Show EQ sonar bullshit hacks.

Both guilds have good players. Instead of respecting each other's skill though, you're now doing what IB has done since day one. You pretend like you're the greatest EQ players ever or something. You're not. This is an evolving game. The raid scene right now is not even comparable to that time long ago in classic. I've raided with both TMO and IB. Both guilds have good leadership/pullers. Both have good players. It's a shame both guilds can't admit that about one another.

[relapsee69]

WTB VP

[baub]

WTB VP

srs

also ITT: Bronson thinks DA's peak was during the summer when they were spending all day chain farming the first four islands of sky

[Autotune]

The former DA players that are in IB are not the best players that were in that guild. Not even close. Some of them are skilled players to be sure, but they weren't anything particularly impressive when they were in DA. Every single one of them called all their homeys in IB dickheads on a daily basis in /gu and over vent when they were in DA. Now they are chummy with them because they want loot. Stop pretending like they are noble or something. They aren't.

Trying to claim that these DA that joined TR made DA the success that it was is at it's peak is like saying Shiftin and Uuaellaen are what made IB the success that it was at it's peak.

Everybody's hands are a little dirty on this server. Even the devs. Why one guild still pretends to be "clean" after their officers were caught cheating is an interesting phenomenon, but I digress.

Loke was undermining his own guild and selling it out as an officer in DA while supposedly pulling in Fear during a competitive raid. Are you telling me he's the same caliber of player as Sochin or Emil? You know he's not even close.

What does Heebee do? He's a paladin (heh) who used to tell me how much of a cunt he thought XZerion/IB leadership was in private tells. Now they are probably best buddies.

Loaki backstabs shit. Well that's impressive. This is the same Loaki who saw all the shady shit being done to DA when he was raiding in that guild. For instance Uuaelaen pretending to be a GM and banning DA leadership over some garbage because he was in the tank for IB. He would constantly complain about it and was one the most vocal anti IB members of DA. He would scream in the mic if we made any concessions that favored IB. Durison even went to his wedding apparently. Now he's sporting the TR tag.

Who are you? You're just some scrub who apped to DA and when the opportunity to join IB presented itself, you took it. You never organized a guild. You've never led a raid or instituted tactics and strategy against a rival guild. I'm sure you logged in and hit your BS key though, which now makes you believe that you're equally caliber the player who actually created IB or were a part of it's highly skilled and successful core that hasn't played in a looooong time. Do you think players like Uuaelaen made IB successful? You've just piggy backed off of other players to gear your toon. You've never done shit.

How all these other former "noble and respectable" DA are raiding with the guy who was fucking them in the ass when they were in DA now just shows that everyone sells out for loot. At one time, as far fetched as it sounds, Durison and Gwence were going to create a guild together to compete against IB. Gwence joined IB instead because he sold out for loot. He didn't want to compete against them. He didn't want to try and lead a guild that could beat them. Every one of these former DA that now sport the TR tag did the same thing because they wanted the loot. We used to call these people "loot whores" back in the real classic. Generally they were despised by the general server population when reputation actually mattered. For some odd reason they are now embraced on P99 and reputation doesn't mean shit as long as you are batphoning and zerging to victory.

These people now defend the guild they hated and despised for over a year. But we're talking about ego and loot here, so that kind of shit can be ignored apparently. Well if that's going to be the case do us all a favor. Don't come to these forums and pretend like these former DA members have integrity or something. It's doesn't pass the laugh test.

Loot fuels the insanity of this server. Look at the screenshots measuring dicks with all the loot in the banks. Someone has a few more dragon scales in the bank or something. Or some guy has a COF in his bank when the other guild doesn't or something. It's not even about the kills anymore. True skill is now measured by how much loot you have rotting away in your guild vault. Fuck it, why even hand out loot if that is the measuring stick for bragging rights? Just farm loot to stick in your guild bank, so you can take SS's and say "Hey aren't you jelly at how many haste items I have in my guild bank bro?"

As far as I'm concerned, this server has completely jumped the shark when it comes to raiding and competition. It's just silly now. When you're dumb ass is waking up at 4AM on a work night to groggily log in for 30 seconds to zerg down a mob, you got problems. I used to think WOW was easy. Wow isn't easy. Instanced raiding isn't easy necessarily. It's just convenient. Waking up at 4 Am to "raid" which consists of logging in groggily to mash your keyboard and bum rush a mob to wack a mole it death isn't skill, it's fucking stupid.

This is a totally different game than classic EQ anyways. The mechanics aren't 100% classic at all. They are all borked. The raid game has evolved and adapted to the current EMU mechanics, but for whatever reason people are still comparing it the classic raid experience. Upon release sky was broken for months and months. Didn't matter. The guilds were measuring dicks anyways over loot.

This is why instanced content was created. To save servers from becoming what P99 has become. This drama fest where guilds are too childish to admit they are equally skilled and equally matched. They don't engage in friendly competition in any way or work out some schedule which allows their members to actually "enjoy" the game and raid a mob without being glued at your keyboard and spastically hammering down a dragon while some dickhead in the rival guild is trying to train you while using his Show EQ sonar bullshit hacks.

Both guilds have good players. Instead of respecting each other's skill though, you're now doing what IB has done since day one. You pretend like you're the greatest EQ players ever or something. You're not. This is an evolving game. The raid scene right now is not even comparable to that time long ago in classic. I've raided with both TMO and IB. Both guilds have good leadership/pullers. Both have good players. It's a shame both guilds can't admit that about one another.

can i sig this?

[relapsee69]

no

[Pico]

The former DA players that are in IB are not the best players that were in that guild. Not even close. Some of them are skilled players to be sure, but they weren't anything particularly impressive when they were in DA. Every single one of them called all their homeys in IB dickheads on a daily basis in /gu and over vent when they were in DA. Now they are chummy with them because they want loot. Stop pretending like they are noble or something. They aren't.

Trying to claim that these DA that joined TR made DA the success that it was is at it's peak is like saying Shiftin and Uuaellaen are what made IB the success that it was at it's peak.

Everybody's hands are a little dirty on this server. Even the devs. Why one guild still pretends to be "clean" after their officers were caught cheating is an interesting phenomenon, but I digress.

Loke was undermining his own guild and selling it out as an officer in DA while supposedly pulling in Fear during a competitive raid. Are you telling me he's the same caliber of player as Sochin or Emil? You know he's not even close.

What does Heebee do? He's a paladin (heh) who used to tell me how much of a cunt he thought XZerion/IB leadership was in private tells. Now they are probably best buddies.

Loaki backstabs shit. Well that's impressive. This is the same Loaki who saw all the shady shit being done to DA when he was raiding in that guild. For instance Uuaelaen pretending to be a GM and banning DA leadership over some garbage because he was in the tank for IB. He would constantly complain about it and was one the most vocal anti IB members of DA. He would scream in the mic if we made any concessions that favored IB. Durison even went to his wedding apparently. Now he's sporting the TR tag.

Who are you? You're just some scrub who apped to DA and when the opportunity to join IB presented itself, you took it. You never organized a guild. You've never led a raid or instituted tactics and strategy against a rival guild. I'm sure you logged in and hit your BS key though, which now makes you believe that you're equally caliber the player who actually created IB or were a part of it's highly skilled and successful core that hasn't played in a looooong time. Do you think players like Uuaelaen made IB successful? You've just piggy backed off of other players to gear your toon. You've never done shit.

How all these other former "noble and respectable" DA are raiding with the guy who was fucking them in the ass when they were in DA now just shows that everyone sells out for loot. At one time, as far fetched as it sounds, Durison and Gwence were going to create a guild together to compete against IB. Gwence joined IB instead because he sold out for loot. He didn't want to compete against them. He didn't want to try and lead a guild that could beat them. Every one of these former DA that now sport the TR tag did the same thing because they wanted the loot. We used to call these people "loot whores" back in the real classic. Generally they were despised by the general server population when reputation actually mattered. For some odd reason they are now embraced on P99 and reputation doesn't mean shit as long as you are batphoning and zerging to victory.

These people now defend the guild they hated and despised for over a year. But we're talking about ego and loot here, so that kind of shit can be ignored apparently. Well if that's going to be the case do us all a favor. Don't come to these forums and pretend like these former DA members have integrity or something. It's doesn't pass the laugh test.

Loot fuels the insanity of this server. Look at the screenshots measuring dicks with all the loot in the banks. Someone has a few more dragon scales in the bank or something. Or some guy has a COF in his bank when the other guild doesn't or something. It's not even about the kills anymore. True skill is now measured by how much loot you have rotting away in your guild vault. Fuck it, why even hand out loot if that is the measuring stick for bragging rights? Just farm loot to stick in your guild bank, so you can take SS's and say "Hey aren't you jelly at how many haste items I have in my guild bank bro?"

As far as I'm concerned, this server has completely jumped the shark when it comes to raiding and competition. It's just silly now. When you're dumb ass is waking up at 4AM on a work night to groggily log in for 30 seconds to zerg down a mob, you got problems. I used to think WOW was easy. Wow isn't easy. Instanced raiding isn't easy necessarily. It's just convenient. Waking up at 4 Am to "raid" which consists of logging in groggily to mash your keyboard and bum rush a mob to wack a mole it death isn't skill, it's fucking stupid.

This is a totally different game than classic EQ anyways. The mechanics aren't 100% classic at all. They are all borked. The raid game has evolved and adapted to the current EMU mechanics, but for whatever reason people are still comparing it the classic raid experience. Upon release sky was broken for months and months. Didn't matter. The guilds were measuring dicks anyways over loot.

This is why instanced content was created. To save servers from becoming what P99 has become. This drama fest where guilds are too childish to admit they are equally skilled and equally matched. They don't engage in friendly competition in any way or work out some schedule which allows their members to actually "enjoy" the game and raid a mob without being glued at your keyboard and spastically hammering down a dragon while some dickhead in the rival guild is trying to train you while using his Show EQ sonar bullshit hacks.

Both guilds have good players. Instead of respecting each other's skill though, you're now doing what IB has done since day one. You pretend like you're the greatest EQ players ever or something. You're not. This is an evolving game. The raid scene right now is not even comparable to that time long ago in classic. I've raided with both TMO and IB. Both guilds have good leadership/pullers. Both have good players. It's a shame both guilds can't admit that about one another.

i certainly did not read any of this

[Heebee]

stuff

I got a mention on the rants & flames forum for a game that I play less than 1 hour a week, woo!!! So exciting!

[Asfasfos]

The former DA players that are in IB are not the best players that were in that guild. Not even close. Some of them are skilled players to be sure, but they weren't anything particularly impressive when they were in DA. Every single one of them called all their homeys in IB dickheads on a daily basis in /gu and over vent when they were in DA. Now they are chummy with them because they want loot. Stop pretending like they are noble or something. They aren't.

Trying to claim that these DA that joined TR made DA the success that it was is at it's peak is like saying Shiftin and Uuaellaen are what made IB the success that it was at it's peak.

Everybody's hands are a little dirty on this server. Even the devs. Why one guild still pretends to be "clean" after their officers were caught cheating is an interesting phenomenon, but I digress.

Loke was undermining his own guild and selling it out as an officer in DA while supposedly pulling in Fear during a competitive raid. Are you telling me he's the same caliber of player as Sochin or Emil? You know he's not even close.

What does Heebee do? He's a paladin (heh) who used to tell me how much of a cunt he thought XZerion/IB leadership was in private tells. Now they are probably best buddies.

Loaki backstabs shit. Well that's impressive. This is the same Loaki who saw all the shady shit being done to DA when he was raiding in that guild. For instance Uuaelaen pretending to be a GM and banning DA leadership over some garbage because he was in the tank for IB. He would constantly complain about it and was one the most vocal anti IB members of DA. He would scream in the mic if we made any concessions that favored IB. Durison even went to his wedding apparently. Now he's sporting the TR tag.

Who are you? You're just some scrub who apped to DA and when the opportunity to join IB presented itself, you took it. You never organized a guild. You've never led a raid or instituted tactics and strategy against a rival guild. I'm sure you logged in and hit your BS key though, which now makes you believe that you're equally caliber the player who actually created IB or were a part of it's highly skilled and successful core that hasn't played in a looooong time. Do you think players like Uuaelaen made IB successful? You've just piggy backed off of other players to gear your toon. You've never done shit.

How all these other former "noble and respectable" DA are raiding with the guy who was fucking them in the ass when they were in DA now just shows that everyone sells out for loot. At one time, as far fetched as it sounds, Durison and Gwence were going to create a guild together to compete against IB. Gwence joined IB instead because he sold out for loot. He didn't want to compete against them. He didn't want to try and lead a guild that could beat them. Every one of these former DA that now sport the TR tag did the same thing because they wanted the loot. We used to call these people "loot whores" back in the real classic. Generally they were despised by the general server population when reputation actually mattered. For some odd reason they are now embraced on P99 and reputation doesn't mean shit as long as you are batphoning and zerging to victory.

These people now defend the guild they hated and despised for over a year. But we're talking about ego and loot here, so that kind of shit can be ignored apparently. Well if that's going to be the case do us all a favor. Don't come to these forums and pretend like these former DA members have integrity or something. It's doesn't pass the laugh test.

Loot fuels the insanity of this server. Look at the screenshots measuring dicks with all the loot in the banks. Someone has a few more dragon scales in the bank or something. Or some guy has a COF in his bank when the other guild doesn't or something. It's not even about the kills anymore. True skill is now measured by how much loot you have rotting away in your guild vault. Fuck it, why even hand out loot if that is the measuring stick for bragging rights? Just farm loot to stick in your guild bank, so you can take SS's and say "Hey aren't you jelly at how many haste items I have in my guild bank bro?"

As far as I'm concerned, this server has completely jumped the shark when it comes to raiding and competition. It's just silly now. When you're dumb ass is waking up at 4AM on a work night to groggily log in for 30 seconds to zerg down a mob, you got problems. I used to think WOW was easy. Wow isn't easy. Instanced raiding isn't easy necessarily. It's just convenient. Waking up at 4 Am to "raid" which consists of logging in groggily to mash your keyboard and bum rush a mob to wack a mole it death isn't skill, it's fucking stupid.

This is a totally different game than classic EQ anyways. The mechanics aren't 100% classic at all. They are all borked. The raid game has evolved and adapted to the current EMU mechanics, but for whatever reason people are still comparing it the classic raid experience. Upon release sky was broken for months and months. Didn't matter. The guilds were measuring dicks anyways over loot.

This is why instanced content was created. To save servers from becoming what P99 has become. This drama fest where guilds are too childish to admit they are equally skilled and equally matched. They don't engage in friendly competition in any way or work out some schedule which allows their members to actually "enjoy" the game and raid a mob without being glued at your keyboard and spastically hammering down a dragon while some dickhead in the rival guild is trying to train you while using his Show EQ sonar bullshit hacks.

Both guilds have good players. Instead of respecting each other's skill though, you're now doing what IB has done since day one. You pretend like you're the greatest EQ players ever or something. You're not. This is an evolving game. The raid scene right now is not even comparable to that time long ago in classic. I've raided with both TMO and IB. Both guilds have good leadership/pullers. Both have good players. It's a shame both guilds can't admit that about one another.

TL;DR

[Jjlent]

just curious, who is ur in game character G13?

[Jjlent]

its cause ur awesome heebers

[Seaweedpimp]

heebee looks alot like uullaen irl



if that does anything for u guys

[Bubbles]

As far as I'm concerned, this server has completely jumped the shark when it comes to raiding and competition. It's just silly now. When you're dumb ass is waking up at 4AM on a work night to groggily log in for 30 seconds to zerg down a mob, you got problems. I used to think WOW was easy. Wow isn't easy. Instanced raiding isn't easy necessarily. It's just convenient. Waking up at 4 Am to "raid" which consists of logging in groggily to mash your keyboard and bum rush a mob to wack a mole it death isn't skill, it's fucking stupid.


The rest was certainly drivel, but that paragraph of momentary clarity i'll agree with x1000.

[karsten]

I had to sort of chuckle at a lot of that long post because you claim to have so much insider knowledge yet clearly have very little grasp on who does what where and who was what when

also, again, honest question, which guild was sworen in pre-absorption?

[karsten]

The rest was certainly drivel, but that paragraph of momentary clarity i'll agree with x1000.

yeah i agree with big bubbles on that one tho

[Uaellaen]

lol dude G13 i was never in IB ... remember we leveled up together? you were not such a fag back when you still played your chanter ... nice how the brainwashing works thou ... remember, i was leader / raidleader of remedy and we stayed out of all your fucking idiotic fights ... Remedy had every main / alt geared in full hate / fear gear minus dragon haste ...

i was fully geared BEFORE i joined TR, i only got a dawnfire (lol toy, almost never use it), a trakanon cloak, a BCG, a dragon bag (lol) and a shield of the white dragon (very situational use, in fact never used it yet) in the 6 months i raided with TR ... so in total 2 items that were upgrades for me ...

also, do you mean me with attending to durisons wedding? its not really appearent in your rage post since you hop between names so quickly ... i never met that idiot in RL and i never will ... im not gonna meet someone that starts screaming hate triads in a vent guild meeting where ALL THE GUILDS besides fish bait tried to work out raid rules ...

its funny how much you got brainwashed ...

the DA leadership was banned by me for not sticking to the raid rules ... i was guiding for 6 months, and invested 900+ hours into you guys ... what did you do besides whining?

[Seaweedpimp]

lol dude G13 i was never in IB ... remember we leveled up together? you were not such a fag back when you still played your chanter ... nice how the brainwashing works thou ... remember, i was leader / raidleader of remedy and we stayed out of all your fucking idiotic fights ... Remedy had every main / alt geared in full hate / fear gear minus dragon haste ...

i was fully geared BEFORE i joined TR, i only got a dawnfire (lol toy, almost never use it), a trakanon cloak, a BCG, a dragon bag (lol) and a shield of the white dragon (very situational use, in fact never used it yet) in the 6 months i raided with TR ... so in total 2 items that were upgrades for me ...

also, do you mean me with attending to durisons wedding? its not really appearent in your rage post since you hop between names so quickly ... i never met that idiot in RL and i never will ... im not gonna meet someone that starts screaming hate triads in a vent guild meeting where ALL THE GUILDS besides fish bait tried to work out raid rules ...

its funny how much you got brainwashed ...

the DA leadership was banned by me for not sticking to the raid rules ... i was guiding for 6 months, and invested 900+ hours into you guys ... what did you do besides whining?



Worst guide ever

[Uaellaen]

oh and if you want to denie anything of that, i have everything that ever happened within the EQ client since day 1 logged, im sure i can show you our chats where you still were jeffrey

[Seaweedpimp]

oh and if you want to denie anything of that, i have everything that ever happened within the EQ client since day 1 logged, im sure i can show you our chats where you still were jeffrey

Post it. We care.

[Uaellaen]

Post it. We care.

not talking to you buddy, talking to the brainwashed G13 aka jeffrey aka bronson aka whatever his charname is now

[karsten]

the only bronson i care about is bronson arroyo because he is a white guy who rocks corn rows

[TMFail]

Worst guide ever

Adult trolling on a 2 centuries old emulation game forum.

[Loke]

Man Bronson, for someone who hasn't played here in awhile, you're still quite the hater. I'm not going to sit here and try to compare players - but everyone brings something different to the table. You can hate on the players that left DA/TMO for IB/TR all you want, but the simple fact is that a lot of those players not only were accepted by both guilds, but attained positions of prominence. Heebee, Athiyk and myself were all officers, Daltheb might as well have been from what I understand, Baubarian, I mean, the list goes on. It is really hard to be like "Yea, they left us, but I mean, we didn't really want them anyway!"

The simple fact is this Bronson - most of the players you mentioned were part of not only one, but two very successful guilds. Most of them didn't just joined the #1 guild on the server and in fact, left the #1 guild on the server and joined the competition. They partook in building something. You on the other hand have been a part of the failed creation of Fish Bait here, then joined DA and rage quit before they even really started to compete. We never saw eye to eye on things, but I never really had anything against you - but for you to hate on anyone here considering every guild you've been a part of has failed miserably while you were a member is laughable at best.

This whole argument is really stupid though. Both guilds can kill every piece of content available to them - whether one guild can do it with less or the other does it more because they have more members is just splitting hairs. Just like players, both guilds have different play styles and strategies for getting mobs and gearing their players. You can compare players and guilds all day long, but because of how different they are, which is better is ultimately a matter of opinion.

[Threepoint]

Man Bronson, for someone who hasn't played here in awhile, you're still quite the hater. I'm not going to sit here and try to compare players - but everyone brings something different to the table. You can hate on the players that left DA/TMO for IB/TR all you want, but the simple fact is that a lot of those players not only were accepted by both guilds, but attained positions of prominence. Heebee, Athiyk and myself were all officers, Daltheb might as well have been from what I understand, Baubarian, I mean, the list goes on. It is really hard to be like "Yea, they left us, but I mean, we didn't really want them anyway!"

The simple fact is this Bronson - most of the players you mentioned were part of not only one, but two very successful guilds. Most of them didn't just joined the #1 guild on the server and in fact, left the #1 guild on the server and joined the competition. They partook in building something. You on the other hand have been a part of the failed creation of Fish Bait here, then joined DA and rage quit before they even really started to compete. We never saw eye to eye on things, but I never really had anything against you - but for you to hate on anyone here considering every guild you've been a part of has failed miserably while you were a member is laughable at best.

This whole argument is really stupid though. Both guilds can kill every piece of content available to them - whether one guild can do it with less or the other does it more because they have more members is just splitting hairs. Just like players, both guilds have different play styles and strategies for getting mobs and gearing their players. You can compare players and guilds all day long, but because of how different they are, which is better is ultimately a matter of opinion.

be more of a diplomat

[Harrison]

*Worst enchanter on server next to Acarer spews words no one read here*

[Raikiri]

Stop posting, you suck everytime.

[Alarti0001]

be more of a diplomat

maybe he is thinking of switching teams again

[Seaweedpimp]

Adult trolling on a 2 centuries old emulation game forum.

LOL

[Diggles]

Adult trolling on a 2 centuries old emulation game forum.

lmfao

[Gwence]

Jeff is butthurt I didn't get him into IB back in the day, I think we've finally gotten to the bottom of this. Sorry I didn't really have any influence back in Jan 2010 pal or I would've helped you out. You still refusing to acknowledge the fact Durison applied to IB same time I did, for one reason or another he didn't get any consideration. Looking back on it I wish wonton had just accepted him, probably would be a completely different server right now.

much respect, in any case!

[Loke]

maybe he is thinking of switching teams again

If I were to play seriously again it would certainly be with TR - I told Aadill and Veric I'd never join a guild Durison had any sort of authority in, that still holds true.

I've always been "diplomatic" or more accurately, I'm willing to compromise to make things less painful for everyone. For example, trying to set up agreements with our competition so that we didn't have to sit on spawn points for 48+ hours was wildly popular with most people, but a few people (Bronson obviously) saw it as me selling out my guild. Bronson also fails to mention that my "diplomatic" nature got a number of DA players unsuspended on numerous occasions. I'm not really sure if being diplomatic was intended as an insult, but whatev - at least I'm not spending countless hours of my online time arguing over loot, lawyering raid rules, or trying to get players unsuspended. Also, you'd have to ask Xz/Ektar and the GMs, but I'd be willing to bet that the time I was dealing with IB v. DA stuff more disputes got solved without GM intervention than just about any other time period on this server. Take from that what you will, but maybe if there were more "diplomatic" people in TR and TMO right now you guys would be raiding VP instead of fighting over loot to throw in the guild bank.

But ya, as for me switching sides, don't get your hopes up cupcake - the likelihood of me applying to TMO is about the same as big DJ David Deere playing Ibiza.

[Seaweedpimp]

Loke, who cares what you have to say... You were caught cheating and were de leveled just like the other half of your guild. Im glad youre so patriotic.


You could'nt get into TMO if you wanted to bro.

[relapsee69]

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[Loke]

Patriotic? Sick and very applicable burn bro. O_o

You telling me I can't join TMO is like North Korea telling me I can't move there. Not that TMO is like North Korea necessarily, just in that both are things I don't particularly want anything to do with.

Hold onto that sentiment though guy - I can tell how much it means to you <3

[Seaweedpimp]

Loke, who cares what you have to say... You were caught cheating and were de leveled just like the other half of your guild. Im glad youre so patriotic.


You could'nt get into TMO if you wanted to bro.

[Seaweedpimp]

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Id hit it

[ScaryBadAssholes]

Yea I'm sure that **NONE** of TR's multiple banks full of dragon loot are the result of duping.

Really....I'm 100% positive that this is not the case.

[Uaellaen]

Id hit it

you prolly already did :o why is your nose so brown :eek:

[Seaweedpimp]

My nose is only as brown as your members cheat and exploit.



How brown is it?

[Alarti0001]

Patriotic? Sick and very applicable burn bro. O_o

You telling me I can't join TMO is like North Korea telling me I can't move there. Not that TMO is like North Korea necessarily, just in that both are things I don't particularly want anything to do with.

Hold onto that sentiment though guy - I can tell how much it means to you <3

jeez you were caught cheating too? your relevancy just dropped 200 pts.

[Alarti0001]

My nose is only as brown as your members cheat and exploit.



How brown is it?

this brown ... http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/151766/the-brown-noise

[Seaweedpimp]

Yeah, Gotta love how you post 4 short sentences and loke picks every part of it and replys but he wont explain why he was banned and de leveled, just like thier monk raid leader, perun.

I guess its different, loke suspended and de leveled for boxing and perun suspended and de leveled for using SEQ.

So many fruity flavors idk which to pick!

[Seaweedpimp]

you prolly already did :o why is your nose so brown :eek:

oo dont forget this fat mongoloid was also suspended and delelved for boxing as well. Hence, his un appearence in raids lately!


Dont worry bros, you can still kill content at level 54. Well, atleast you can with a few 54's.


Fucking hilarious that VD would even consider raiding a fear clear with you guys. I thought VD was supposed to have an outstanding reputation....

Not anymore. Soon the more hardcore VD are just going to leave for TR more than likely. (jejejeje)


How was that fear clear last night boys?

[relapsee69]

you guys r so mad.

[Loke]

jeez you were caught cheating too? your relevancy just dropped 200 pts.

I'M INNOCENT, I WAS FRAMED!

Don't believe their lies Alarti!

[JenJen]

I thought VD was supposed to have an outstanding reputation....

Not anymore.

this is quite hilarious from someone wearing a TMO tag :) doesnt anyone remember how TMO used to sit and wait for other guilds to break Fear? hehe. good times, everyone flamed TMO back then, even DA. how times change i guess :D

[Loke]

Yeah, Gotta love how you post 4 short sentences and loke picks every part of it and replys but he wont explain why he was banned and de leveled

I haven't explained because no one asked! Well sir, take a seat...

I was banned for SEQ. I don't deny having used it on P99, which is why I have no problem with the suspension and haven't come here trying to proclaim my innocence. I fucked up, and got caught. Now, I'm not sure exactly how I got caught since I wasn't around really during the whole sting operation (moved on the 15th, didn't try login on until like the 30th when I found out I was suspended), and didn't make a habit of using SEQ because I'm paranoid as shit; that coupled with the fact that I hadn't been actively pulling in IB/TR for months gave me no reason to open it up.

Like I said though, that is really a moot point because I was just as guilty as anyone else who got suspended. Shit happens and people make mistakes - hindsight is always 20/20 and what not.

The fact that you think it is some sort of secret or that I'm ashamed of it is kind of surprising to me though - I've never denied the fact that I was suspended or that I deserved it.

[JenJen]

you'd get more respect if you just left out any excuses whatsoever but whatev's

[Gwence]

I think the cheating thing is old news now, their's a couple vocal people that use it any chance they get, mostly the 2 TMO people in this thread and only because they have no other material to use.