nilbog.

[Thulack]

Aww did i touch a nerve buddy? It's cool what you have done with this server but when your excuse for things is well it was classic for stupid shit like a mob stuck in a wall and then you nerf other things that weren't classic makes you look bad. There i made a post in Rants about it.

[Aadill]

inb4ban

[nilbog]

Nope just getting you to the right area.

If you go out of your way in a bugs thread to call me out, you'll be told to go to rants and flames, or I'll just ban you.

If something is unbalancing to gameplay (like groups of players using a clicky to trivialize raid content), expect it subject to change. If you're comparing that to Hollish Tnoops pathing in West Freeport, then you're upset.

Personally, I think arguing in favor of something so cheesy is lame, but alas, I like games to be hard.

[Thulack]

Nope just getting you to the right area.

If you go out of your way in a bugs thread to call me out, you'll be told to go to rants and flames, or I'll just ban you.

If something is unbalancing to gameplay (like groups of players using a clicky to trivialize raid content), expect it subject to change. If you're comparing that to Hollish Tnoops pathing in West Freeport, then you're upset.

Personally, I think arguing in favor of something so cheesy is lame, but alas, I like games to be hard.

When your reason for not changing something so simple as NPC in a wall is i quote "So Classic So, So classic" but then you go and make nerfs that are not classic your just contradicting yourself and it makes you look bad. It's as simple as that. There are other game balancing classic features that you don't change. If you gonna change 1 thing to make balanced then change others or find a better excuse for not changing simple things. It's not very hard to comprehend.

[Thulack]

Nope just getting you to the right area.

If you go out of your way in a bugs thread to call me out, you'll be told to go to rants and flames, or I'll just ban you.

If something is unbalancing to gameplay (like groups of players using a clicky to trivialize raid content), expect it subject to change. If you're comparing that to Hollish Tnoops pathing in West Freeport, then you're upset.

Personally, I think arguing in favor of something so cheesy is lame, but alas, I like games to be hard.

Since i cant edit in Rants. I also like things hard that is why i stopped playing live after 12 years and came here to play in a CLASSIC server not a server where the dev's deem what things are to powerful for classic and make nerfs that aren't classic.

[Aadill]

Hollish Tnoops being stuck in a wall was always an endearing part of the zone.

[Thulack]

Hollish Tnoops being stuck in a wall was always an endearing part of the zone.

It really has nothing to do with the NPC in the wall. It has to do with nilbog's excuse as to why it's not changed. I could really give a rat's ass about the NPC in the wall but when the excuse is its classic when others nerf's are made that are not classic its just stupid.

[jarshale]

I kinda have to agree. Making a server "classic" would also include all the little bugs and exploits, like the hoop.

[Eccezan]

I can see both sides of this. Regarding the hoops, while against it at first, I actually support the nerf of them for the following reason: If guilds on live were utilizing them in the manner guilds here were, they would have been nerfed on live. It does trivialize content that has 32k hp. In my opinion, and in many other peoples opinion that ive talked too, the kunark dragon fights finally seem to be on par in difficulty with the level they were in Kunark.

The downside of this is that the regular use of hoops in groups/soloing is almost totally eliminated from the game, which sucks for those counting on the use of this mechanic.

[Glitch]

Start a fundraiser to liberate Hollish Tnoops from the wall imo

[Eldaran]

Who the F is Thulack?

[Eternal-Elf]

Even though i don't play this game anymore, it seems rather futile to call out the GM's on fairness of a server THEY control.

These guys are some very talented people that have created a server that was to the best of my knowledge the best classic server there is in 2011.

I still think ALL the project leaders are garbage for letting cheaters get away with it with a simple suspension....but they do have programming talent!

Peace.

[Loly Taa]

Isn't it hilarious how dumb we all were in Classic?

There are reasons Lynuga still isn't "right" here, but I'm not gonna explain why.

[Ashimar]

Pay no mind to the changes in the game and pretend they never happened. With this advice, you're sure to enjoy Project1999 for a long time.

[Supreme]

Just enjoy what Project1999 is and stop soiling your panties about what it isn't.

[Hasbinbad]

Pay no mind to the changes in the game and pretend they never happened. With this advice, you're sure to enjoy Project1999 for a long time.Just enjoy what Project1999 is and stop soiling your panties about what it isn't.
..from the mouths of babes..

[Supreme]

..from the mouths of babes..

lotta things i dislike about p99 but obviously it cant be all that bad...

I am still here=\.

[Thulack]

Who the F is Thulack?

I'm a player on p99. What else do you need to know? I just know that playing on a server where the dev's tried to make everything "classic" then nerf things in a unclassic fashion just seems to go against everything they stand for. Nerfing something that they seem unfair or just don't like it sounds like they should go work for SoE.

[Secrets]

I'm a player on p99. What else do you need to know? I just know that playing on a server where the dev's tried to make everything "classic" then nerf things in a unclassic fashion just seems to go against everything they stand for. Nerfing something that they seem unfair or just don't like it sounds like they should go work for SoE.

So -- let me get this straight -- if a dupe exploit was classic, you'd want it in, right?

[Thulack]

So -- let me get this straight -- if a dupe exploit was classic, you'd want it in, right?

No a cheat or a hack that would have been removed on live at some point in time is fine with me getting rid of at the beginning. The hoop was NEVER nerfed on live in the way that it was nerfed here. If a exploit exists sure. If a item just getting overused because you can and then gets nerfed because dev's here don't feel that it's appropriate is a completely different thing. Do i want Tumpy tonic quest still in game that would allow people to quest to level 40 in like 5 days? No. But a item that these Dev's feel is just to powerful and smarter people today then 12 years ago are using to their advantage in no hacking or exploited way should be allowed in.

[Brad_mo123]

I agree with the fact that some things that are classic and change them even if it's an unbalance is wrong because to me that was part of the fun, finding out the little secrets in the game that would just put you above so many others and I dont mean things like exploits. However this is Nilbog's project so if he wants to make everyone run around as a fluffy pink rabbit he can and theres nothing you can say about it, got an issue just bring it up or quit, dont get all pissy and bent out of shape about it.

[Thulack]

I agree with the fact that some things that are classic and change them even if it's an unbalance is wrong because to me that was part of the fun, finding out the little secrets in the game that would just put you above so many others and I dont mean things like exploits. However this is Nilbog's project so if he wants to make everyone run around as a fluffy pink rabbit he can and theres nothing you can say about it, got an issue just bring it up or quit, dont get all pissy and bent out of shape about it.

Then he can't call it a classic server. It should be Called "what nilbog's thinks is right server"

[skulldudes]

Then he can't call it a classic server. It should be Called "what nilbog's thinks is right server"

splitting hairs

[Droxx]

I know this gets posted in every whiner thread but it fits.

People whining hardcore about nerfs: classic.

[Eldaran]

The whine in this thread is turned all the way up to 11

[Nedala]

Maybe they should call it "what nilbog and everyone with a half a brain who doesn't want raiding to be trivial, thinks is right server ".

I can't believe you are seriously complaining about the hoop nerf. Are you really that stupid?

https://forums.playfire.com/_proxy/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fvjarmy.com%2Fjunkbin%2Fgtfo.gif&hmac=da920a53ab98946690eb1408e0371716

[Thulack]

Maybe they should call it "what nilbog and everyone with a half a brain who doesn't want raiding to be trivial, thinks is right server ".

I can't believe you are seriously complaining about the hoop nerf. Are you really that stupid?

https://forums.playfire.com/_proxy/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fvjarmy.com%2Fjunkbin%2Fgtfo.gif&hmac=da920a53ab98946690eb1408e0371716

again really has nothing to do with the hoop nerf. It's the principal. They take all this time to make a server "classic" and then do unclassic nerfs to it. Again doesnt take to much comprehension skills to see what's wrong with this picture. I'll stop repeating myself though since it seems like some people's Thick skulls just can't seem to understand.

[Nedala]

So just cause they made a nerf that wasn't classic, but absolutely made sense and was needed that means they should just say "fuck it" and and start changing other things to nonclassic too now? Is that your point?

Classic wasnt perfect they have to do some things different, and other things that aren't classic are hard to code or whatever, and they are probably working on it. You are really splitting hairs.

[Thulack]

So just cause they made a nerf that wasn't classic, but absolutely made sense and was needed that means they should just say "fuck it" and and start changing other things to nonclassic too now? Is that your point?

Classic wasnt perfect they have to do some things different, and other things that aren't classic are hard to code or whatever, and they are probably working on it. You are really splitting hairs.

ok fine i am splitting hairs. Am the only one that finds it wrong though that he used the excuse that something as retarded as a npc being stuck in a wall and keeping it that way is because it was classic. But nerfing something that wasnt nerfed in classic? It's being a hypocrite.

[Torin_Stormchaser]

Damn dude, chill out, play the game, enjoy the game, it's the best "classic" server out there. Quit bitching about things not as you remember. If you want to bitch about things not being classic, look at the prices in the EC tunnel, not the fault of anyone but the players there.

Just play and enjoy.
It's that simple.
Seriously, it is.

[nilbog]

Holy shit this is still going. I'm guessing you're new here.

You think dragons should die within 30 seconds from using no strat and clicking a rechargeable item? I don't. If that makes me a hypocrite so be it.


http://images.sodahead.com/polls/000616097/polls_hypocrite_3647_486478_answer_2_xlarge.jpeg

I'll embrace it in the name of Thulack.

[Thulack]

Holy shit this is still going. I'm guessing you're new here.

You think dragons should die within 30 seconds from using no strat and clicking a rechargeable item? I don't. If that makes me a hypocrite so be it.


http://images.sodahead.com/polls/000616097/polls_hypocrite_3647_486478_answer_2_xlarge.jpeg

I'll embrace it in the name of Thulack.

Yeah i am new here. I thought i was coming to a server that was Classic not "what the dev's think is classic". Could people 12 years ago have used the same strat on dragons? Sure. Did they? No because they didnt realize you could. Basically you changing things because people know how to work the system. Good for them. Don't call this a classic server then because its not. My peace has been said. Good bye.

[Thulack]

Holy shit this is still going. I'm guessing you're new here.

You think dragons should die within 30 seconds from using no strat and clicking a rechargeable item? I don't. If that makes me a hypocrite so be it.


http://images.sodahead.com/polls/000616097/polls_hypocrite_3647_486478_answer_2_xlarge.jpeg

I'll embrace it in the name of Thulack.

PS Nilbog you would fit right in at SoE. People who think they know whats best for the game but have no clue work their too.

[Demetrium]

Yeah i am new here. I thought i was coming to a server that was Classic not "what the dev's think is classic". Could people 12 years ago have used the same strat on dragons? Sure. Did they? No because they didnt realize you could. Basically you changing things because people know how to work the system. Good for them. Don't call this a classic server then because its not. My peace has been said. Good bye.

While I don't agree with this guy RE: Ivandyr Hoops he does raise a good point. The only reason this is changed is because people know about it now and can abuse it, now...hense the nerf.

So how do you hide from the argument to remove the hybrid XP taxes if you're going to be using this school of thought? The only reason hybrids are avoided is because we know about the taxes now. Why aren't we changing this too?

[nilbog]

PS Nilbog I said I was done, but I can't quit you.

<3 you too buddy.

While I don't agree with this guy RE: Ivandyr Hoops he does raise a good point. The only reason this is changed is because people know about it now and can abuse it, now...hense the nerf.

So how do you hide from the argument to remove the hybrid XP taxes if you're going to be using this school of thought? The only reason hybrids are avoided is because we know about the taxes now. Why aren't we changing this too?

This thread has nothing to do with exp penalties. If you're curious to read up on my opinion, and everyone else's, it has been discussed several times.

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&source=hp&q=%2Bhybrid+%2Bpenalties+site:www.project1999.org&pbx=1&oq=%2Bhybrid+%2Bpenalties+site:www.project1999.org&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=680l9628l0l9727l53l43l3l0l0l2l268l4919l11.2 5.3l42l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=1274d405d9bffc9f&biw=1047&bih=465

Feel free to continue on there.

[Hoggen]

I'd say it's classic in the sense that if people had done it on live, it definitely would have been nerfed.

[Autotune]

If the dude is stuck in the wall and is a bug (however classic it was). I doubt it was on purpose and should get fixed.

Just like how hoops were abused here, if it had happened on live, they would have been fixed.


fix what needs to be fixed imo.

[Tycko]

First: You make valid points about things being made unclassic on a server that claims to be classic.
Second: You are being ignorant or niave in thinking that everything that was classic should remain in game.
Third: Fixing a NPC location with little importance with a new server undergoing beta testing is gonna be low priority. And with that stated, I would make the assumption that it was a joke saying it's staying the same due to being classic , when it is really just not worth the time to fix. BUT I could be wrong.

But these are just my opinions, just like everyone else.

[Treats]

Yeah i am new here. I thought i was coming to a server that was Classic not "what the dev's think is classic". Could people 12 years ago have used the same strat on dragons? Sure. Did they? No because they didnt realize you could. Basically you changing things because people know how to work the system. Good for them. Don't call this a classic server then because its not. My peace has been said. Good bye.

Lyunga was not a static spawn and kind of rare on Live. She would also despawn after a set amount of time. This is the problem.

Twelve years ago people didn't realize you could do this because it would have took a LONG FUCKING TIME. Not to mention the plat that would have been used up. Imagine turning in 10 rubies to her not receiving a hoop, watching her despawn and spending another five or six hours spawning her again.

I find it really fucking funny that none of the people using this shit strategy never once thought to themselves why this was never done on Live. Not one single fucking post in the bug forum about it.

The damage is already done here on the server. There are too many hoops floating around now just to fix the cycle/rarity of Lyunga and the rarity turning in rubies. Something needed to be done about this (and it was) because the very people using it FAILED to bug report it before it got completely out of hand. Go throw your tantrum at them instead of Nilbog. You can bet your ass Verant would have done something about this had Lyunga been a static spawn and people were hooping dragons down in ten seconds flat.

[choklo]

You can bet your ass Verant would have done something about this had Lyunga been a static spawn and people were hooping dragons down in ten seconds flat.

This is the point. It wasn't used as an exploit on live, so SOE never nerfed it.

You bet your ass the devs will do what it takes to stop exploits that hurt the game, classic or not.

[Seaweedpimp]

Well as a guy thats played a necro for a main for the past year and a half i am saddened to not really be able to do much offensive wise to a 1 mob raid target. But before the nerf, necros were able to do really good dps.. esp w a hoop. But I never knew that about lyunga treats. Good read. I cant bitch much about the all around lifetap nerf too much.. If its classic its classic. But damn it sucks!

[Autotune]

Well as a guy thats played a necro for a main for the past year and a half i am saddened to not really be able to do much offensive wise to a 1 mob raid target. But before the nerf, necros were able to do really good dps.. esp w a hoop. But I never knew that about lyunga treats. Good read. I cant bitch much about the all around lifetap nerf too much.. If its classic its classic. But damn it sucks!

obviously the classic change was game breaking and needs a classic fix.

[baub]

As someone who raided a fair bit as a necro during kunark & velious all I can say is I hope you all have as much fun being a mana battery as I did ~~~~~

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

No his point was that the cry used to be 'because it wasn't classic" or 'it was classic'. That Nilbog was adamant about things being exactly classic. Now it isn't that it is 'because it was unbalancing in my opinion." I agree with Nilbog because some things are unbalancing here because of the knowledge out there gleaned legitimately and not legitimately but the op has a valid argument. It may be as close to classic as one can get but once you start changing things (rightly so or not) you can no longer call it that.

[Tiggles]

I didn't read any of this thread but its at 3 pages so I just wanted to post.

[Asher]

When can we expect the Midnight Mallet nerf? This is obviously being abused too. Take a trip down to inny swamp and check out all the corpses. I had always thought what Treats said. I don't remember that mob always being up. Why dont we start by fixing that.

There are better ways to fix the hoop than nerfing necros IMO.

I have never clicked a hoop or played a necro on this server.

Asher

[Autotune]

When can we expect the Midnight Mallet nerf? This is obviously being abused too. Take a trip down to inny swamp and check out all the corpses. I had always thought what Treats said. I don't remember that mob always being up. Why dont we start by fixing that.

There are better ways to fix the hoop than nerfing necros IMO.

I have never clicked a hoop or played a necro on this server.

Asher

idk, the change they made to necro's is supposedly classic, yet it still seems like dragons have crazy resists or something.

all i know, very very few necro taps land on any raid target. Pretty sad when draco resists your taps lol.

[nilbog]

When can we expect the Midnight Mallet nerf? This is obviously being abused too. Take a trip down to inny swamp and check out all the corpses. I had always thought what Treats said. I don't remember that mob always being up. Why dont we start by fixing that.

There are better ways to fix the hoop than nerfing necros IMO.

I have never clicked a hoop or played a necro on this server.

Asher

As far as Lynuga, no shit :P So the bug with her is reported yesterday.. in a rants and flames post. (Thanks Treats) That is beyond irritating, but there's not too much we can do about it now. A part of me is thinking of removing every Ivandyr's hoop, midnight mallet, and brutechopper from existence, fixing the spawn, and returning to regular scheduled programming :P

Necros aren't custom 'nerfed'. This is era specific to what they should be. The people arguing that are misinformed of the situation. Lifetaps went from completely unresistable to a resist mod, which is correct.

Here's some reading.
http://web.archive.org/web/200101231906/http://forums.castersrealm.com/eq/Forum8/HTML/000930.html
http://web.archive.org/web/200101271415/http://forums.castersrealm.com/eq/Forum8/HTML/001495.html

[Hasbinbad]

I am posting in an epic thread.

[Autotune]

As far as Lynuga, no shit :P So the bug with her is reported yesterday.. in a rants and flames post. (Thanks Treats) That is beyond irritating, but there's not too much we can do about it now. A part of me is thinking of removing every Ivandyr's hoop, midnight mallet, and brutechopper from existence, fixing the spawn, and returning to regular scheduled programming :P

Necros aren't custom 'nerfed'. This is era specific to what they should be. The people arguing that are misinformed of the situation. Lifetaps went from completely unresistable to a resist mod, which is correct.

Here's some reading.
http://web.archive.org/web/200101231906/http://forums.castersrealm.com/eq/Forum8/HTML/000930.html
http://web.archive.org/web/200101271415/http://forums.castersrealm.com/eq/Forum8/HTML/001495.html

mixed views. some say unresistable some say 100% resistable.
Some say necros can't solo in dungeons (which made me laugh).

suppose it doesn't really matter tho. I'll just keep spamming the hell out of Twitch and my poison spell.

[Daldaen]

Only non-classic change/thing that was neglected that upsets me is pet damage limits. /mourn Weighted Axe on level 1 pet :(.

[Lazortag]

Only non-classic change/thing that was neglected that upsets me is pet damage limits. /mourn Weighted Axe on level 1 pet :(.

Didn't Haynar say he was willing to change this (specifically in reference to weighted axe)? He just said he wasn't willing to change weapon delay I think.

[Harrison]

rusty daggers on pets was fucking amazing :(